⚠️ Shield your eyes, I’m going to post the Cavs 2015 Finals starting lineup☢️ ☠️

[FultzNationRISE]

*WARNING: THE FOLLOWING POST MAY CAUSE BLINDNESS*

Cavs 2015 Finals starting lineup:

Lebron James
Timofey Mozgov
Christian Thompson
Iman Shumpert
Mathew Delvadelova


That is not a misprint. Lebron took the dynasty Warriors to 6 games with that group.

Im officially declaring today a Day of Remembrance.

Thank you.

[Proctor]

Mozgov had a 93 pt 29 reb game....so yeah, they were stacked.

[warriorfan]

Klay Thompson Finals Stats - 15.8/4.3/1.7/.5/1/ 51% TS

Tim Mozgov Finals Stats - 14/7.5/1/.5/1.5/ 63% TS


Klay played 10 more mpg as well

[ShawkFactory]

Klay Thompson Finals Stats - 15.8/4.3/1.7/.5/1/ 51% TS

Tim Mozgov Finals Stats - 14/7.5/1/.5/1.5/ 63% TS


Klay played 10 more mpg as well

The "how they played" vs "how good they are " dichotomy is a site to behold on ISH. Everyone seems to pick one of these solely based on what their argument is at the time.

For example, someone like you might say "Curry won with Andrew Wiggins as his second option" while someone else might say "Well Andrew Wiggins outplayed Jayson Tatum". You've done the opposite of that here.

Which one actually matters? Fascinating stuff.

[tpols]

Lebron shot 36% from the field with 4 TOVs per game in Clevelands only two wins.

What does that tell you?

[tpols]

The "how they played" vs "how good they are " dichotomy is a site to behold on ISH. Everyone seems to pick one of these solely based on what their argument is at the time.

For example, someone like you might say "Curry won with Andrew Wiggins as his second option" while someone else might say "Well Andrew Wiggins outplayed Jayson Tatum". You've done the opposite of that here.

Which one actually matters? Fascinating stuff.

Klay has historically played like trash in the Finals. He shot on 35% from the field last year in them and the warriors still won only because Wiggins stepped up.

Klay wouldn't be anywhere near as acclaimed if he never played with Golden State.

[ShawkFactory]

Klay has historically played like trash in the Finals. He shot on 35% from the field last year in them and the warriors still won only because Wiggins stepped up.

Klay wouldn't be anywhere near as acclaimed if he never played with Golden State.

Klay is one of the best shooters of all time. His poor shooting performances in the finals don't mean that a defense doesn't have to account for him at all times. He consistently has a man tasked with following him.

But either way...this doesn't disprove what I said. If anything you just reinformed my point.

[Im so nba'd out]

Hide ya wife and kids y’all. Lebron is out here winning with anyone!

https://i.postimg.cc/xC1YY6SM/IMG-9344.gif

#Le8Finalsinarow #Jamesday

[Keno]

if cavs were healthy that year they win, curry's resume is filled with asterisks

[Im Still Ballin]

Straight Nagasaki. Pure Hiroshima.

[Spurs m8]

No kyrie...no cavs chip

No AD No playoffs

No Wade and Bosh, no chip

No JJ barea, no embarrassment


This guy has always needed a prime 1a/b talent next to him doing the heavy lifting

[tpols]

Klay is one of the best shooters of all time. His poor shooting performances in the finals don't mean that a defense doesn't have to account for him at all times. He consistently has a man tasked with following him.

But either way...this doesn't disprove what I said. If anything you just reinformed my point.

Your point didn't make any sense since mozgov factually outplayed klay in that series. Doesn't mean he's better than him, but he did outplay him. Klay has never had what could be considered even a good Finals series for a HOFer. 2019 was the closest he came but he got hurt.

How you play in the playoffs matters. Klay goes off a couple times per year but on average shoots mediocre. Guys like Reggie and Ray kill him in playoff shooting efficiency.

[Da_Realist]

Why did LeBron leave Miami the year before?

[Kblaze8855]

Lebron shot 36% from the field with 4 TOVs per game in Clevelands only two wins.

What does that tell you?


That scoreboards only count points and dont know or care if you shoot 42% or 48% because who exactly missed a shot doesn’t matter to the final score when both teams will miss dozens no matter what.

[ShawkFactory]

Your point didn't make any sense since mozgov factually outplayed klay in that series. Doesn't mean he's better than him, but he did outplay him. Klay has never had what could be considered even a good Finals series for a HOFer. 2019 was the closest he came but he got hurt.

How you play in the playoffs matters. Klay goes off a couple times per year but on average shoots mediocre. Guys like Reggie and Ray kill him in playoff shooting efficiency.

Yea...you’re completely not understanding my point. Like at all :lol

I’m asking which is more important when determining “help”: how someone factually plays in a series or what a collection of names look like on paper? People, including yourself, flip-flop on this all the time based on their agenda. Most are guilty of it.

[tpols]

That scoreboards only count points and dont know or care if you shoot 42% or 48% because who exactly missed a shot doesn’t matter to the final score when both teams will miss dozens no matter what.

You can't have a trash supporting cast if your team wins while you shoot like shit. The warriors weren't even doubling Lebron. He played most of the series in isolation.

On paper they were untalented, but they just so happened to play very well for him.

A lot of people forget the Cavs were up 2-1 in that series and with a chance to go up 3-1 Lebron shot 7-22 from the field at home.

It is what it is.

[plowking]

Lebron shot 36% from the field with 4 TOVs per game in Clevelands only two wins.

What does that tell you?


This is such a bizarre comment from a Kobe fan that used to dismiss low shooting percentages.

Came out with the:
- he hit tough shots
- put pressure on the defense
- hit tough fadeaways

When LeBron does it - only negatives.

[Kblaze8855]

. You can't have a trash supporting cast if your team wins while you shoot like shit.


Obviously you can. We all watched it happen. It happens all the time. Bad lineups win games with stars shooting poorly. Don’t have to deny reality and act like it isn’t a bad lineup.


https://www.hostpic.org/images/2305120320050104.jpeg


^

Win vs the pistons to go up 3-1. Bad shooting night from the star. Shitty supporting cast. Indisputable.

Obviously it isn’t as simple as you want it to be. Players aren’t good because of a good night. You’re good when you’re good on a regular basis. Any group of nba players can beat another and the sorriest lineup you could realistically form would still win now and then led by a star. Hell they’d win occasionally without one.

Bad teams aren’t good when they win a game they shouldn’t and bad players aren’t good because someone has to score. Games won’t end 40-116. Even relative bums will produce when minutes are forced on them. Doesn’t make them good.

[Kblaze8855]

Playoff win

https://www.hostpic.org/images/2305120333230114.jpeg

[tpols]

This is such a bizarre comment from a Kobe fan that used to dismiss low shooting percentages.

Came out with the:
- he hit tough shots
- put pressure on the defense
- hit tough fadeaways

When LeBron does it - only negatives.

Anytime Kobe ever averaged 36% shooting from the field with a bunch of turnovers.... he got destroyed for it. And said he was carried if they won with it. That's the whole double standard here.

[ShawkFactory]

Playoff win

https://www.hostpic.org/images/2305120333230114.jpeg

The 89 Bulls beat the Pistons in a game where MJ shot 34%.

[RRR3]

It's between tpols and ImKobe for poster who gets most brutally destroyed when trying to legitimately argue about basketball.

[SouBeachTalents]

Yea...you’re completely not understanding my point. Like at all :lol

I’m asking which is more important when determining “help”: how someone factually plays in a series or what a collection of names look like on paper? People, including yourself, flip-flop on this all the time based on their agenda. Most are guilty of it.
100% correct. Here he plays the production card, but bring up the 2013/2014 Heat it's "He played with D-Wade!" :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

The "how they played" vs "how good they are " dichotomy is a site to behold on ISH. Everyone seems to pick one of these solely based on what their argument is at the time.

For example, someone like you might say "Curry won with Andrew Wiggins as his second option" while someone else might say "Well Andrew Wiggins outplayed Jayson Tatum". You've done the opposite of that here.

Which one actually matters? Fascinating stuff.

right.

when its wade, they never talk about what they actually played like but only his talent. lol.

and in general others can be compared using stats, but definitely not bron. stats cant prove bron was great.

[tpols]

Yea...you’re completely not understanding my point. Like at all :lol

I’m asking which is more important when determining “help”: how someone factually plays in a series or what a collection of names look like on paper?

People, including yourself, flip-flop on this all the time based on their agenda. Most are guilty of it.

It's both.

In this threads case, the cavs talent played above their head and weren't nearly as bad as the OP makes them out to be.

There's nothing Curry did chemistry wise that would've made klay play like ass.

He just... played like ass. He's never been a great playoff performer by his prime playoff averages alone.

[tpols]

100% correct. Here he plays the production card, but bring up the 2013/2014 Heat it's "He played with D-Wade!" :lol

Curry and Klay have GOAT chemistry. Lebron and Wade... didn't. That's the difference. You can't blame Klays poor play on Curry due to lack of fit.

[SouBeachTalents]

Curry and Klay have GOAT chemistry. Lebron and Wade... didn't. That's the difference. You can't blame Klays poor play on Curry due to lack of fit.
LeBron & Wade made it work to keep the team afloat during Bosh's absence in 2012 and to reel off 27 straight wins. I agree they weren't a great fit but you can't blame Wade's mediocre-terrible play in the '13 & '14 playoffs solely on the fit with LeBron, he struggled with injury and regressed from where he was in 2011.

[ArbitraryWater]

Curry and Klay have GOAT chemistry. Lebron and Wade... didn't. That's the difference. You can't blame Klays poor play on Curry due to lack of fit.

lebron and wade had great chemistry together, wade just declined bad. he let himself go and started coasting. lost his hunger.

[SATAN]

Timofey Mozgov
Christian Thompson
Iman Shumpert
Mathew Delvadelova




Doubt Jordan makes the playoffs with that lineup. Probably win like 25-30 games.

[And1AllDay]

that is def an alaska type supporting cast :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

Cavs up 2 - 1, Game 4 at home:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201506110CLE.html

Mozgov 28 pts 9/16 FG, led all scorers

Bran 20 pts 7/22 FG

Bran just needed MORE HELP!!!

[Kblaze8855]

Cavs up 2 - 1, Game 4 at home:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201506110CLE.html

Mozgov 28 pts 9/16 FG, led all scorers

Bran 20 pts 7/22 FG

Bran just needed MORE HELP!!!

Point out anyone in the history of professional basketball who didn’t need better players than those to win a title.

This shit really is lame at times. People get so into their biases they won’t grant the other side anything.

Obviously the 2015 Cavs once Kyrie went down along with Love were a ****ing joke that shouldn’t have be able to do anything.


Obviously 1-9 is stupid because those were bad teams playing all time great teams and a great bucks team.

That there are people who push back on either point just shows the sad shape sports discussion is in.

People are just ****ing stupid or so biased they can’t just say the target of their hate should get a break for anyyyyyything. It’s all some larger argument so you can’t give an inch like the nra and gun control.