What is the obsession with fans wanting chuckers to have “their own team?”

[FultzNationRISE]

Whenever a young guy is a decent scorer people talk about how he “needs his own team.”

Why? If youre not good enough to make an impact without 20 shots, you arent a great basketball player. Guys like Jordan Poole who “get their own team” win nothing, ever. Same with Jaylen Brown, people claim he “needs his own team.” To do what, compete for the top lotto pick every year??

But fans are obsessed with this shit. Cant get enough of hero culture. “He can score many point, he can be superstar, he need own team!!!”

You do know basketball is not just two players going back and forth trying to out score each other individually right?? Theres a whole bunch of team concepts involved, and iso scoring isnt the big deal gatorade and espn tell you it is.

It’s amazing fans will look at a guy on a competitive team and think the problem needing to be solved is that the team needs to stop holding HIM back from being “a superstararrrz!!!”

People are so brainwashed by how things are presented to them.

[warriorfan]

Whenever a young guy is a decent scorer people talk about how he “needs his own team.”

Why? If youre not good enough to make an impact without 20 shots, you arent a great basketball player. Guys like Jordan Poole who “get their own team” win nothing, ever. Same with Jaylen Brown, people claim he “needs his own team.” To do what, compete for the top lotto pick every year??

But fans are obsessed with this shit. Cant get enough of hero culture. “He can score many point, he can be superstar, he need own team!!!”

You do know basketball is not just two players going back and forth trying to out score each other individually right?? Theres a whole bunch of team concepts involved, and iso scoring isnt the big deal gatorade and espn tell you it is.

It’s amazing fans will look at a guy on a competitive team and think the problem needing to be solved is that the team needs to stop holding HIM back from being “a superstararrrz!!!”

People are so brainwashed by how things are presented to them.

Well it was kinda the norm pre lebron’s “the decision”.

Once you reached a certain level you moved on to start your own team and legacy.

All that’s changed now though.

KD let that chatter get to his head and he absolutely cucked himself and sabotaged his career.

[FultzNationRISE]

Well it was kinda the norm pre lebron’s “the decision”.

Once you reached a certain level you moved on to start your own team and legacy.

All that’s changed now though.

KD let that chatter get to his head and he absolutely cucked himself and sabotaged his career.

By norm you mean Kobe did it? Who else?

MJ and Pippen didnt split up after three titles bc “own team.”

Manu and Parker didnt say “**** winning, we each need the keys to our own lottery team.”

Magic and Kareem didnt split up for the sake of more individual endorsement opportunities.

Iguodala won 60 games as Denver’s best player the year before joining Curry and winning FMVP. He could have stayed in Denver to win less with more touches.

It’s so absurd when people think good players shouldnt play together, just bc then fans cant figure out who to worship.

Is the team concept simply not appreciable to fans?

I mean I can understand it for Lebron of course, hes the exception, but everywhere else people should want to see the best team’s possible, not just a bunch of teams composed of dueling chuckers who cant utilize the rest of their teams.

[warriorfan]

By norm you mean Kobe did it? Who else?

MJ and Pippen didnt split up after three titles bc “own team.”

Manu and Parker didnt say “**** winning, we each need the keys to our own lottery team.”

Magic and Kareem didnt split up for the sake of more individual endorsement opportunities.

Iguodala won 60 games as Denver’s best player the year before joining Curry and winning FMVP. He could have stayed in Denver to win less with more touches.

It’s so absurd when people think good players shouldnt play together, just bc then fans cant figure out who to worship.

Is the team concept simply not appreciable to fans?

I mean I can understand it for Lebron of course, hes the exception, but everywhere else people should want to see the best team’s possible, not just a bunch of teams composed of dueling chuckers who cant utilize the rest of their teams.

All the guys you listed were legit side kicks.

Pippen wasn’t good enough for his own team. Manu and Parker weren’t good enough for their own teams.

There’s better of a case with Magic and Kareem but take into account Kareem’s advanced age at the time. He was still a great player though.

Iguodala wasn’t good enough for his own team


They just aren’t on the same tier as the best players in the league.


Otoh Wade in 2010 was on a best player in the league tier. He was good enough for his own team.

[ArbitraryWater]

Its not a fans obsession.


There is an innate urge in any human being to reach their potential and fulfill themselves.


So many young players and players in general want to try themselves out and make it as "that guy".

Its normal.

[Mask the Embiid]

Because ya never know who’s gonna turn into a “Harden” when they get their own team. That’s why OP. Ya never truly know until you see. Because I damn sure didn’t think James would be James back in 2012

[coin24]

Because ya never know who’s gonna turn into a “Harden” when they get their own team. That’s why OP. Ya never truly know until you see. Because I damn sure didn’t think James would be James back in 2012

He was and is a career loser

[Mask the Embiid]

He was and is a career loser

And he will still go down higher all time than his counterpart who did the opposite and stayed (manu).A”career loser” will go down ranked higher than someone who beat team USA “as the man” and won 4 rings…because he went out on his own




Eat shit cashew :applause:

[Goldrush25]

Its not a fans obsession.


There is an innate urge in any human being to reach their potential and fulfill themselves.


So many young players and players in general want to try themselves out and make it as "that guy".

Its normal.

From a practical matter there's only so much money to go around on any team. There's a direct correlation between scoring and salary in the NBA, so anyone that can score is trying to maximize their earning potential (as they should), even if it's on a bad team.

Good point on Harden, I don't think anyone saw future MVP when he was the third man on OKC. He made the right move leaving.

[ArbitraryWater]

Because ya never know who’s gonna turn into a “Harden” when they get their own team. That’s why OP. Ya never truly know until you see. Because I damn sure didn’t think James would be James back in 2012

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[FultzNationRISE]

Because ya never know who’s gonna turn into a “Harden” when they get their own team. That’s why OP. Ya never truly know until you see. Because I damn sure didn’t think James would be James back in 2012

Harden didnt win anything with his “own team.”

Neither did Westbrook, or Irving, or Durant, or Carmelo.

Curry wasnt even his own team’s FMVP the first three times they won.

But youre telling me the likes of Jordan Poole and Jaylen Brown need their “own team” to lose on because the most important thing is shot attempts and shoe endorsement?

Just a weird mentality to me. But to each their own.

[FultzNationRISE]

From a practical matter there's only so much money to go around on any team. There's a direct correlation between scoring and salary in the NBA, so anyone that can score is trying to maximize their earning potential (as they should), even if it's on a bad team.

Good point on Harden, I don't think anyone saw future MVP when he was the third man on OKC. He made the right move leaving.

Harden has been a notorious failure with his “own team.”

Like its weird to me people would think hes a GOOD example.

But I guess its just different perspectives. Which is fine.

[ArbitraryWater]

Harden didnt win anything with his “own team.”

Neither did Westbrook, or Irving, or Durant, or Carmelo.

Curry wasnt even his own team’s FMVP the first three times they won.

But youre telling me the likes of Jordan Poole and Jaylen Brown need their “own team” to lose on because the most important thing is shot attempts and shoe endorsement?

Just a weird mentality to me. But to each their own.

No one said Jordan Poole and Jaylen Brown need their own team.

Westbrook never had his own team.

Durant, Carmelo were obviously well right to have it. So was Harden. It completely transformed him as a player and his life.

[FultzNationRISE]

I guess it’s a good thing Dame Lillard has his own team tho.

It sure would suck to have to win basketball games with other good players.

[Mask the Embiid]

Harden didnt win anything with his “own team.”

Neither did Westbrook, or Irving, or Durant, or Carmelo.

Curry wasnt even his own team’s FMVP the first three times they won.

But youre telling me the likes of Jordan Poole and Jaylen Brown need their “own team” to lose on because the most important thing is shot attempts and shoe endorsement?

Just a weird mentality to me. But to each their own.

No, we want to see just how good they are when they are “the man”. Who goes to levels we never thought they’d go (harden,tmac,brunson,ect) and who would fall flat (Lin,Ariza,Stephenson,ect)


We just want to see how great some of these people are when they aren’t playing behind someone. Yes, I would like to see how good a Haliburton is when he is not in Fox’s shadow. What can I say.. if that makes us weird then hey we are weird

[FultzNationRISE]

No one said Jordan Poole and Jaylen Brown need their own team.

Westbrook never had his own team.

Durant, Carmelo were obviously well right to have it. So was Harden. It completely transformed him as a player and his life.


Harden is universally considered the quintessential example of a bad leader and a loser.

But if you think winning an MVP award thru stat padding compensates it, youre completely entitled to that perspective. Theres no wrong answer. I just dont understand people seeing it that way.

[FultzNationRISE]

No, we want to see just how good they are when they are “the man”. Who goes to levels we never thought they’d go (harden,tmac,brunson,ect) and who would fall flat (Lin,Ariza,Stephenson,ect)

Fair enough. You want to see how many ppg an individual can score in another setting, even tho thats not the point of the game.

Luka and Brunson made the Conf Finals in the West last year. This year the best they could do separately was divisional round in the East.

But hey, we got to watch them both get a bigger share of shots.

Fair enough.

[warriorfan]

Harden is universally considered the quintessential example of a bad leader and a loser.

But if you think winning an MVP award thru stat padding compensates it, youre completely entitled to that perspective. Theres no wrong answer. I just dont understand people seeing it that way.

The majority of Lebron’s legacy is built on stat padding.

Once you go beyond the stat padding he won two championships while joining with a top dog who already had a solo FMVP of his own

An Adam Silver tainted ring

And a bubble ring with Anthony Davis

When you remove stats from the equation…. he hasn’t had that amazing of a career

[Mask the Embiid]

Fair enough. You want to see how many ppg an individual can score in another setting, even tho thats not the point of the game.

Luka and Brunson made the Conf Finals in the West last year. This year the best they could do separately was divisional round in the East.

But hey, we got to watch them both get a bigger share of shots.

Fair enough.
It’s never been about rings…hate to break it to you


And no Luka couldn’t make the playoffs without him! Let’s speak facts…!!!! We speak facts in here! But nice try in trying to group their separate accomplishments this season together…


Luka couldn’t even sniff the playoffs without Brunson


Brunson made it to the 2nd round


Those are not the same. One is trending up the other is a stat padding loser who’s arrow is pointing down

[ArbitraryWater]

Harden is universally considered the quintessential example of a bad leader and a loser.

But if you think winning an MVP award thru stat padding compensates it, youre completely entitled to that perspective. Theres no wrong answer. I just dont understand people seeing it that way.

Well when you numb down 65-win 1st seed seasons on a team that played at a 71-win rate with Harden and Paul together and gave perhaps the most talented team of all time a run for their money before said sidekick got injured to "stat padding", you might understand that you are the problem.

[FultzNationRISE]

No, we want to see just how good they are when they are “the man”. Who goes to levels we never thought they’d go (harden,tmac,brunson,ect) and who would fall flat (Lin,Ariza,Stephenson,ect)


We just want to see how great some of these people are when they aren’t playing behind someone. Yes, I would like to see how good a Haliburton is when he is not in Fox’s shadow. What can I say.. if that makes us weird then hey we are weird


But my point is, if theyre both playing the right way, neither is gonna hold the other back. Do you think Jokic is holding anyone back? Murray still drops 40 point games, if he went somewhere else to drop more of them hed never make the playoffs and would have a miserable career.

If one star is being “held back” by another, at least one of them is not really a star. If a guy doesnt have any value besides padded point totals, hes not the star you guys think he is.

People still see basketball as a one on one competition between a team’s leading point scorers.

Expand your mind boys.

[Mask the Embiid]

But my point is, if theyre both playing the right way, neither is gonna hold the other back. Do you think Jokic is holding anyone back? Murray still drops 40 point games, if he went somewhere else to drop more of them hed never make the playoffs and would have a miserable career.

If one star is being “held back” by another, at least one of them is not really a star. If a guy doesnt have any value besides padded point totals, hes not the star you guys think he is.

People still see basketball as a one on one competition between a team’s leading point scorers.

Expand your mind boys.

Grant believed jokic was holding him back…he took less money to see how good he really was and set out on his own. It’s no shame in that.

[iamgine]

Who told OP Jordan Poole need his own team? :lol

[FultzNationRISE]

The majority of Lebron’s legacy is built on stat padding.

Once you go beyond the stat padding he won two championships while joining with a top dog who already had a solo FMVP of his own

An Adam Silver tainted ring

And a bubble ring with Anthony Davis

When you remove stats from the equation…. he hasn’t had that amazing of a career


Simply not true.

Lebron’s legacy is transforming the game from the post-MJ iso chuckfest era where every team thought the key was finding the next “balla” like Starbury or Dariu$ Milez, to team oriented, defensive minded, professional basketball.

Lebrons teammates often got paid big by other teams even tho they sucked, cuz he lifted their value. His teams all had great camaraderie and chemistry. Lebron passed the ball and played defense, he didnt gun for 40 every game without caring who won, the way a clown like Dilbert Arenas did. There are people still today that think Arenas was a VALUABLE basketball player and not just a side show loser, bc they simply cant comprehend anything beyond “scored teh lots of p0ints!!!.”

So many fans love the sparkling attractions, the hero shots, the exciting but unreliable scoring binges, the dancing or mean mugging after dunks.

But then they never figure out why all the players they like keep losing.

[ArbitraryWater]

Who told OP Jordan Poole need his own team? :lol

right, the premise doesnt make sense to begin with.

[90sgoat]

Ideally there would be a cap on how much each individual player could score in a game.

And dribbling shouldn't be allowed.

[tpols]

Don't you ever.... ever... compare Jaylen Brown to Jordan POOLE.

We are going to have to have a discussion in the parking lot if you do it again.

[FultzNationRISE]

Don't you ever.... ever... compare Jaylen Brown to Jordan POOLE.

We are going to have to have a discussion in the parking lot if you do it again.

They have both been recipients of the “he needs his own team” assertion.

Yet neither is any better than Damian Lillard and would achieve absolutely nothing on their “own team.”

But somehow people thinks its important for those guys to do more hero ball.

[warriorfan]

Simply not true.

Lebron’s legacy is transforming the game from the post-MJ iso chuckfest era where every team thought the key was finding the next “balla” like Starbury or Dariu$ Milez, to team oriented, defensive minded, professional basketball.

Lebrons teammates often got paid big by other teams even tho they sucked, cuz he lifted their value. His teams all had great camaraderie and chemistry. Lebron passed the ball and played defense, he didnt gun for 40 every game without caring who won, the way a clown like Dilbert Arenas did. There are people still today that think Arenas was a VALUABLE basketball player and not just a side show loser, bc they simply cant comprehend anything beyond “scored teh lots of p0ints!!!.”

So many fans love the sparkling attractions, the hero shots, the exciting but unreliable scoring binges, the dancing or mean mugging after dunks.

But then they never figure out why all the players they like keep losing.

bron got shitty players inflated contracts because he’s an awful pseudo-GM and wants to get his boys paid. The shitty contracts dont bother him because he already planned his next exit so he can just jump ship when the team’s cap space has gone to hell and they have no more usable assets.

[tpols]

They have both been recipients of the “he needs his own team” assertion.

Theyre both worse than Damian Lillard and would achieve absolutely nothing on their “own team.”

But somehow people thinks its important for those guys to do more hero ball.

You're underrating Brown. He's a legit 2way All Star talent.

A better comparison for poole would be Clarkson or jamal crawford.

[FultzNationRISE]

You're underrating Brown. He's a legit 2way All Star talent.

A better comparison for poole would be Clarkson or jamal crawford.


Brown is a nice player on a good team. Same with Tatum. And the Celtics happen to have an exceptional supporting cast. Thats… great. Thats perfectly acceptable. A good team with good players. The goal is to build a winning team.

You put EITHER Brown or Tatum alone on an average NBA roster?

Probably wont make the playoffs.

Individuals are not as important as you think, with exceptions for generational guys like Lebron, Jokic, and regular season Steph.

People just prefer to anthropomorphize team concepts into human faces, it helps them to understand.

But what they think is happening is not really what is happening.

[imdaman99]

Jaylen brown coming to the Knicks would not be his own team. He would be sharing with a really good player in another Jalen, just spells his first name differently :lol

Jordan Poole has been bad this year. He's got talent but him chucking his way to 25 points a game will not lead to even the playoffs unless he's got another young guy that can build

[Kblaze8855]

Most great players don’t win with or without their “own” team. Like 30% of the hall of fame led a title team. You obviously don’t need to do it to prove you’re great. You might need to do it to prove you’re top ____ all time but the kinda players you mentioned aren’t in the running for that either.

Youre talking guys who ideally would go from being like….Byron Scott doing 19 on a dynasty to being Harden or maybe even Joe Johnson being multi time all stars and having a few playoff runs.

Being Joe Johnson or Bernard King or…Tmac? Not a bad deal.

Most would take that over being Byron Scott I’d think. And a lot of those Byron Scott types would take it too.

[FultzNationRISE]

Most great players don’t win with or without their “own” team. Like 30% of the hall of fame led a title team. You obviously don’t need to do it to prove you’re great. You might need to do it to prove you’re top ____ all time but the kinda players you mentioned aren’t in the running for that either.

Youre talking guys who ideally would go from being like….Byron Scott doing 19 on a dynasty to being Harden or maybe even Joe Johnson being multi time all stars and having a few playoff runs.

Being Joe Johnson or Bernard King or…Tmac? Not a bad deal.

Most would take that over being Byron Scott I’d think. And a lot of those Byron Scott types would take it too.

Thats why I specified fans. I understand all the temptations for a player to do it.

Why would you want to watch the Joe Johnson Hawks instead of the Showtime Lakers?

So you can jerk off if Joe Johnson snags an upset playoff win on the way to a 4-1 defeat?

So many people want to see iso hero shit at the expense of quality winning basketball.
Weird.

[tpols]

Brown is a nice player on a good team. Same with Tatum. And the Celtics happen to have an exceptional supporting cast. Thats… great. Thats perfectly acceptable. A good team with good players. The goal is to build a winning team.

You put EITHER Brown or Tatum alone on an average NBA roster?

Probably wont make the playoffs.

Individuals are not as important as you think, with exceptions for generational guys like Lebron, Jokic, and regular season Steph.

People just prefer to anthropomorphize team concepts into human faces, it helps them to understand.

But what they think is happening is not really what is happening.

I agree with your point but that goes for everyone.

Lebron missed the playoffs before AD came over. And he had Ingram whose an AllStar talent. Everybody needs help. Even the best guys.

It takes 8-9 guys deep to win a ring. We just saw the sun's with Devin booker and KD going nuts at times get routed because their bench play and depth was so poor.

I agree though paying guys like poole is a disgrace. They'd be better off signing me to the team for 500k. Way less money and I won't cripple you. I'll be the waterboy.

Looping jaylen Brown into the mix is odd though.

[FultzNationRISE]

I agree with your point but that goes for everyone.

Lebron missed the playoffs before AD came over. And he had Ingram whose an AllStar talent. Everybody needs help. Even the best guys.

It takes 8-9 guys deep to win a ring. We just saw the sun's with Devin booker and KD going nuts at times get routed because their bench play and depth was so poor.

I agree though paying guys like poole is a disgrace. They'd be better off signing me to the team for 500k. Way less money and I won't cripple you. I'll be the waterboy.

Looping jaylen Brown into the mix is odd though.

Bruh :lol

Lebron had that group of NOBODIES sitting 4th in the West before he suffered a six week injury, at which point they fell off a cliff and the team never recovered. So lets give a little credit to LeHung please.

But of course that team wasnt gonna win a chip, it would be literally impossible. Lebron was getting the absolute maximum conceivable amount out of them before the injury, but to my point… nobodys gonna win anything serious on their own.

[FultzNationRISE]

Brown is definitely getting overrated because he can focus on doing one thing, which is the thing people see, scoring, and theyre overvaluing him for it.

Put him on a team that isnt as strong and deep, he’s not gonna be good enough to carry them anywhere. So what is the point??

People really need to see Jaylen Brown score an extra 6-7 points a night on a 29 win team??

I just dont get it.

[tpols]

Bruh :lol

Lebron had that group of NOBODIES sitting 4th in the West before he suffered a six week injury, at which point they fell off a cliff and the team never recovered. So lets give a little credit to LeHung please.

But of course that team wasnt gonna win a chip, it would be literally impossible. Lebron was getting the absolute maximum conceivable amount out of them before the injury, but to my point… nobodys gonna win anything serious on their own.

Forget lebron then.

Prime KG... Kobe... Kareem... etc. all missed the playoffs. Everybody needs help.

I get your point though.. 1dimensional scorers like POOLE are extremely overrated and overpaid. They're basically worthless and albatrosses on the teams that pay them because casual fans only ball watch and don't pay attention to any other type of off ball impact.

Jaylen Brown ain't that though. He's worth the money.

[FultzNationRISE]

Forget lebron then.

Prime KG... Kobe... Kareem... etc. all missed the playoffs. Everybody needs help.

I get your point though.. 1dimensional scorers like POOLE are extremely overrated and overpaid. They're basically worthless and albatrosses on the teams that pay them because casual fans only ball watch and don't pay attention to any other type of off ball impact.

Jaylen Brown ain't that though. He's worth the money.


I am not saying the Celtics shouldnt pay Brown.

My point is there will be fans who say Jaylen Brown should go be “the man” in Charlotte or Detroit and that makes no sense to me.

Why would people who enjoy watching basketball want to see Jaylen Brown lose games as an iso hero rather than contribute to a contending team.

[tpols]

I am not saying the Celtics shouldnt pay Brown.

My point is there will be fans who say Jaylen Brown should go be “the man” in Charlotte or Detroit and that makes no sense to me.

Why would people who enjoy watching basketball want to see Jaylen Brown lose games as an iso hero rather than contribute to a contending team.

I don't think anybody wins on current Detroit or Charlotte. Wilt chamberlain wouldn't win on those teams and technically not worth money if a ring is your only goal.

[Goldrush25]

Harden has been a notorious failure with his “own team.”

Like its weird to me people would think hes a GOOD example.

But I guess its just different perspectives. Which is fine.

Failure by what standard? He's won MVPs and division championships, right?

By the very highest standard, he's failed I guess but there are a lot of people in that boat. If everyone won championships then they wouldn't be special. I think judging everyone by the very highest standard is a narrow view of success.

I don't quite agree with Giannis's "there's no such thing as failure" rant but I also don't agree that if you never win a championship you're a failure. So much in NBA is about where you are and what you have around you. Every era has really good players that are just not quite as good as the best players, so they're eternally blocked from winning titles.

[Kblaze8855]

Thats why I specified fans. I understand all the temptations for a player to do it.

Why would you want to watch the Joe Johnson Hawks instead of the Showtime Lakers?

So you can jerk off if Joe Johnson snags an upset playoff win on the way to a 4-1 defeat?

So many people want to see iso hero shit at the expense of quality winning basketball.
Weird.


Feels like you mean player fans not fans of a team. If so…yea they want to see them put in work. Prove their individual greatness. Obviously you don’t need titles to do that when most greats never even get close. I can see why a bigtime Nash fan would prefer he have his Suns run than stay on the mavs and never get credit for whatever they did.

A mavs fan? Different story.