Lebron gets 23 ppg in these Playoffs (18th) - that's a Rip Hamilton-caliber chip

[3ba11]

Lebron's teams are so stacked relative to their competition that he only needed 25 ppg in the 2013 Playoffs. or 23 this year, or 25 to win the 2007 East

So Lebron won titles by playing worse than Jordan ever did in a series, since Mike never averaged below 27 and never had a teammate average within 10 ppg in any series outside the 1st Round, aka "carrying the scoring load" (defeating maximum defensive attention, aka toughest path that requires the most help).

Lebron averaged 16 on 39% for the first 3 games of the 13' Finals, while his 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games and needed Allen to force Game 7.. It was another epic meltdown just like 2010 ECSF, 2011 Finals, 2014 Finals, 2018 meltdown over JR's mistake, or the no-call meltdown this year.. He's a meltdown machine, clutch-time bricklayer and turnover kingpin whose weaker brand of ball needs more help and yields more underdogs than any all-timer in history.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Bird averaged less for a title run and he's number 3 on your all time list

Kobe averaged 16ppg and he's 2nd

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqshYG4qvT4

[SouBeachTalents]

Bird averaged less for a title run and he's number 3 on your all time list

Kobe averaged 16ppg and he's 2nd
Wilt and Magic never averaged 23 for ANY of their titles, yet he ranks them both ahead of LeBron, who's not allowed to do it at 38 while STILL leading his team in scoring :lol

[AlternativeAcc.]

Wilt and Magic never averaged 23 for ANY of their titles, yet he ranks them both ahead of LeBron.

Damn.

Must've been Magics D that put him over the top?

[3ba11]

Bird averaged less for a title run and he's number 3 on your all time list

Kobe averaged 16ppg and he's 2nd


Both Bird and Kobe showed the ability to win with less than Lebron ever won with

Kobe repeated with a Bosh-level player at sidekick

And unlike Lebron, Bird didn't need an equal-scoring partner to attract equal defensive attention to upset an all-time super-team - Bird defeated maximum defensive attention in the 84' Playoffs & Finals (carried scoring load) while upsetting the favored Lakers.

Their ability to win with less is tied to their superior skillset (expert jumpshooting), which yields superior teammate development, fits and strategic capacity/coaching

[1987_Lakers]

Both Bird and Kobe showed the ability to win with less than Lebron ever won with

Kobe repeated with a Bosh-level player at sidekick

And unlike Lebron, Bird didn't need an equal-scoring partner to attract equal defensive attention to upset an all-time super-team - Bird defeated maximum defensive attention in the 84' Playoffs & Finals (carried scoring load) while upsetting the favored Lakers.

Their ability to win with less is tied to their superior skillset (expert jumpshooting), which yields superior teammate development, fits and strategic capacity/coaching

'09 & '10 Gasol > '13 Wade.

[3ba11]

Wilt and Magic never averaged 23 for ANY of their titles, yet he ranks them both ahead of LeBron, who's not allowed to do it at 38 while STILL leading his team in scoring :lol


I'm open to putting Lebron ahead of Magic and I have no problem flip-flopping them at #10 and 11

Regarding Wilt, his circumstance was truly unique with an entire league conspiring to defeat him every year, while Lebron gets the opposite - the league works to stack his teams to create a fake debate.. Ultimately, it's clear that centers need less help than ball-dominators, so the best centers (Wilt, Kareem, Duncan, Shaq) > the best ball-dominators (lebron, magic, oscar)

[3ba11]

'09 & '10 Gasol > '13 Wade.


Based on the criteria you're using (stats), tons of guys were better than 2013 Lebron because Lebron only averaged 25 ppg with a 28 PER in those playoffs

But the only reason that Lebron's numbers were down was because no one needed to do much on the most stacked team ever, arguably - stacked teams don't require 1 guy to carry the scoring load (defeat max defensive attention) - only weak casts need that.

Lebron and Wade averaged 25 and 20 ppg against the West - that's pedestrian but the team was so stacked that no one needed to do much.

Ultimately, passers like Lebron and Magic need all-time scorers to pass to like Kareem, AD, Wade or Kyrie, and all-star scorers at 3rd option.. Meanwhile, expert jumpshooters like Kobe, Curry, Bird or Jordan won with a secondary producer that averaged 10 less than him in the Finals thereby forcing them to defeat max defensive attention (carry scoring load on championship level).

[Lebron23]

Jordan averaged 20 ppg on 41 FG% when he played for the Wizards.

[3ba11]

Jordan averaged 20 ppg on 41 FG% when he played for the Wizards.


He was 39 and 40, while Lebron recently turned 38, so next year is the real gauge for Lebron vs Wizards Jordan.

Jordan got injured right before his 39th birthday, but Jordan's brief period in the NBA at 38 years old saw him be 1 of 3 guys that averaged 25/5/5 (Kobe, MJ, Tmac) with many 40 or 50 point games and the Wizards were the 4th seed (26-21)...

All this occurred while the league allowed 10 less points per 100 possessions..

So people don't realize how great MJ was at 38 (before he turned 39).. Regardless, he added 18 wins to a 19-win team and achieved expectation for a bad team, while 37-year Lebron missed the play-in with the preseason favorite last year and big 3 super-team.

[Lebron23]

He was 39 and 40, while Lebron recently turned 38, so next year is the real gauge for Lebron vs Wizards Jordan.

Jordan got injured right before his 39th birthday, but Jordan's brief period in the NBA at 38 years old saw him be 1 of 3 guys that averaged 25/5/5 (Kobe, MJ, Tmac) with many 40 or 50 point games and the Wizards were the 4th seed (26-21)...

All this occurred while the league allowed 10 less points per 100 possessions..

So people don't realize how great MJ was at 38 (before he turned 39).. Regardless, he added 18 wins to a 19-win team and achieved a 37-win expectation, while 37-year Lebron missed the play-in with the preseason favorite last year and big 3 super-team.

He missed the playoffs in the Leastern Conference.

[tpols]

He's a meltdown machine, clutch-time bricklayer and turnover kingpin


:roll:

[3ba11]

He missed the playoffs in the Leastern Conference.


Jordan missed the last 20 games in 2002

But the 39-year old Jordan would've made the play-in if they had one in 2002 with a team that won 19 games the prior year

Meanwhile, Lebron missed the play-in at 37 years old with the preseason favorite big 3 super-team

night and day

[Lebron23]

Jordan missed the last 20 games in 2002

But the 39-year old Jordan would've made the play-in if they had one in 2002 with a team that won 19 games the prior year

Meanwhile, Lebron missed the play-in at 37 years old with the preseason favorite big 3 super-team

night and day

Lebron beat superior teams than Jordan in the NBA Finals.

[3ba11]

Lebron beat superior teams than Jordan in the NBA Finals.


Baron Davis beat a 67-win team and Dwight beat a 66-win team, while Jordan never did either

But they aren't better than Jordan.

So consider that the 98' Jazz destroyed Duncan and Popovich in 5 games, while Lebron lost by record amount.

You're forgetting that the 15' Warriors barely beat the injured Cavs', while the 98' Jazz swept Shaq's 4 all-stars and Duncan/Pop - so MJ would have an easier carry-job versus the 1st-timer Warriors than the 10-yr organic juggernauts in 90's West.. Parity is tougher path than being 1 of few stacked team in top-heavy league..

The only reason that Lebron lost in 2015 is because he shot 39% and allowed an 8 ppg bench player to double his average and win FMVP

[Chick Stern]

He was 39 and 40, while Lebron recently turned 38, so next year is the real gauge for Lebron vs Wizards Jordan.

Jordan got injured right before his 39th birthday, but Jordan's brief period in the NBA at 38 years old saw him be 1 of 3 guys that averaged 25/5/5 (Kobe, MJ, Tmac) with many 40 or 50 point games and the Wizards were the 4th seed (26-21)...

All this occurred while the league allowed 10 less points per 100 possessions..

So people don't realize how great MJ was at 38 (before he turned 39).. Regardless, he added 18 wins to a 19-win team and achieved expectation for a bad team, while 37-year Lebron missed the play-in with the preseason favorite last year and big 3 super-team.
Nobody considered them the favorite

[3ba11]

Nobody considered them the favorite


The 2022 Lakers were one of the preseason favorites because they had a big 3 of top 75 players.

But as usual, Lebron's weak brand of ball turned favored talent into whimpering underdogs that need more help.. Lebron turned the actual preseason favorite into underdogs in 2012, 2014, 2016 and 2021.

Btw, nobody considered many of Lebron's super-teams to be favorites but they should've been.. The 2012 Heat should've been heavy favorites over baby Wesbrick but Lebron's weak brand of ball yields weak chemistry, strategy/coaching, and therefore underdogs regardless of cast.

[Chick Stern]

The 2022 Lakers were one of the preseason favorites because they had a big 3 of top 75 players.

But as usual, Lebron's weak brand of ball turned favored talent into whimpering underdogs that need more help.. Lebron turned the actual preseason favorite into underdogs in 2012, 2014, 2016 and 2021.

Btw, nobody considered many of Lebron's super-teams to be favorites but they should've been.. The 2012 Heat should've been heavy favorites over baby Wesbrick but Lebron's weak brand of ball yields weak chemistry, strategy/coaching, and therefore underdogs regardless of cast.

Do you think Jordan QUIT, or was SUSPENDED?

[Phoenix]

I'm convinced the OP is A.I. Insidehoops was ahead of the curve.

[ShawkFactory]

Oh no :oldlol:

[Hey Yo]

Jordan's 20th season stats??

[8Ball]

Jordan year 20 ppgs in the playoffs: 0/0/0

Jordan Age 38 stats: 20/4/4 on 40% vs LeBron 30/8/7 on 50%

[8Ball]

Jordan's 20th season stats??

Cigars smoked: 100
Bodyweight: 250 lbs (overweight for his height)
Miles ran on NBA court: 0

[Lebron23]

Jordan year 20 ppgs in the playoffs: 0/0/0

Jordan Age 38 stats: 20/4/4 on 40% vs LeBron 30/8/7 on 50%

This. Not even close

[3ba11]

This. Not even close


This championship would represent among the worst ring quality of any all-timer and all of Lebron's chips suffer from ring quality because he needed dominant sidekicks to nearly match or lead the scoring for entire Playoff runs or Finals, while also needing stacked super-teams that were manufactured by the NBA and media..

if Jokic can't win with Murray, everyone will say that Jokic isn't good enough, while Lebron's losses are blamed on lack of help - no one considers whether his truckload of lottery seasons or series where he got locked up, upset, or ragdolled is a function of him not being good enough (like Jokic) as opposed to his super-teams not having enough help.. It's a double-standard that overrates lebron historically.

[8Ball]

This championship would represent among the worst ring quality of any all-timer and all of Lebron's chips suffer from ring quality because he needed dominant sidekicks to nearly match or lead the scoring for entire Playoff runs or Finals, while also needing stacked super-teams that were manufactured by the NBA and media..

if Jokic can't win with Murray, everyone will say that Jokic isn't good enough, while Lebron's losses are blamed on lack of help - no one considers whether his truckload of lottery seasons or series where he got locked up, upset, or ragdolled is a function of him not being good enough (like Jokic) as opposed to his super-teams not having enough help.. It's a double-standard that overrates lebron historically.

Jordan year 20 ppgs in the playoffs: 0/0/0

Jordan Age 38 stats: 20/4/4 on 40% vs LeBron 30/8/7 on 50%


After having played 7 more full seasons of basketball LeBron still outperforms Jordan at age 38.

[3ba11]

Jordan year 20 ppgs in the playoffs: 0/0/0

Jordan Age 38 stats: 20/4/4 on 40% vs LeBron 30/8/7 on 50%


After having played 7 more full seasons of basketball LeBron still outperforms Jordan at age 38.


^^^ that isn't GOAT-caliber - who cares that some fossil is getting carried to a chip

23 ppg doesn't compare to Jordan's 6 chips

and next year is the season to compare Lebron to Wizards Jordan - Lebron is nearly a year younger than 39-year old MJ in 2002

Ultimately, Jordan has 6 titles that are like Wade's 2006 chip - complete domination - Lebron's chips pale by comparison and this chip is the biggest joke ever.. 23 ppg isn't goat-caliber.

[SouBeachTalents]

^^^ that isn't GOAT-caliber - who cares that some fossil is getting carried to a chip

23 ppg doesn't compare to Jordan's 6 chips

and next year is the season to compare Lebron to Wizards Jordan - Lebron is nearly a year younger than 39-year old MJ in 2002

Ultimately, Jordan has 6 titles that are like Wade's 2006 chip - complete domination - Lebron's chips pale by comparison and this chip is the biggest joke ever.. 23 ppg isn't goat-caliber.
So you can’t compare a 38 year old to a 39 year old. Jesus Christ, you are so full of shit :lol Guess we can only compare players when they’re exactly the same age.

[Hey Yo]

^^^ that isn't GOAT-caliber - who cares that some fossil is getting carried to a chip

23 ppg doesn't compare to Jordan's 6 chips

and next year is the season to compare Lebron to Wizards Jordan - Lebron is nearly a year younger than 39-year old MJ in 2002

Ultimately, Jordan has 6 titles that are like Wade's 2006 chip - complete domination - Lebron's chips pale by comparison and this chip is the biggest joke ever.. 23 ppg isn't goat-caliber.

Jordan year 20 ppgs in the playoffs: 0/0/0

Jordan Age 38 stats: 20/4/4 on 40% vs LeBron 30/8/7 on 50%

[AlternativeAcc.]

So you can’t compare a 38 year old to a 39 year old. Jesus Christ, you are so full of shit :lol Guess we can only compare players when they’re exactly the same age.

Lebron has SIGNIFICANTLY more mileage at 38 than baldan did at 39.

It's a lopsided comparison for Jordan to begin with and LeBron still blows him out of the water.

Mentioning lebrons age doesn't doesn't really do justice to how many minutes this dude has played.

[SouBeachTalents]

Lebron has SIGNIFICANTLY more milage at 38 than baldan did at 39.

It's a lopsided comparison for Jordan to begin with and LeBron still blows him out of the water.
But he’s a year younger than Jordan, who cares if he’s played literally thousands of minutes more. We can only compare players when they’re exactly the same age.

[AlternativeAcc.]

But he’s a year younger than Jordan, who cares if he’s played literally thousands of minutes more. We can only compare players when they’re exactly the same age.

Cannot argue with this logic

Lebron age 38: 29/8/7 (leading championship caliber team)

Jordan age 38: 0/0/0 (0 existing hair follicles on head)


Jordan wins

[3ba11]

But he’s a year younger than Jordan, who cares if he’s played literally thousands of minutes more. We can only compare players when they’re exactly the same age.


A 30 year old will always jump higher and run faster than their 40 year old self regardless of games played or mileage

And as you get older, each year makes a bigger difference - Jordan was much worse at 39 than 38, and much worse at 40 - you could see clear and massive decline each year.. Lebron shows the same decline each year and the 39 year Lebron will be pretty pathetic just like MJ was upon turning 39.

[Hey Yo]

A 30 year old will always jump higher and run faster than their 40 year old self regardless of games played or mileage

And as you get older, each year makes a bigger difference - Jordan was much worse at 39 than 38, and much worse at 40 - you could see clear and massive decline each year.. Lebron shows the same decline each year and the 39 year Lebron will be pretty pathetic just like MJ was upon turning 39.
38 and 39yr old MJ played in the same season. 39 and 40yr old MJ played in the same season.


you're dumb

[Chick Stern]

^^^ that isn't GOAT-caliber - who cares that some fossil is getting carried to a chip

23 ppg doesn't compare to Jordan's 6 chips *

and next year is the season to compare Lebron to Wizards Jordan - Lebron is nearly a year younger than 39-year old MJ in 2002

Ultimately, Jordan has 6 titles that are like Wade's 2006 chip - complete domination - Lebron's chips pale by comparison and this chip is the biggest joke ever.. 23 ppg isn't goat-caliber.
* during the WEAKEST NBA era.

[SATAN]

Cannot argue with this logic

Lebron age 38: 29/8/7 (leading championship caliber team)

Jordan age 38: 0/0/0 (0 existing hair follicles on head)


Jordan wins

:roll:

[Kblaze8855]

Having only taken the quickest of glances id estimate 35 to 40 NBA champions had a leading scorer somewhere in the area of 23 points a game or less than that. It’s probably not far from the norm.

[3ba11]

Having only taken the quickest of glances id estimate 35 to 40 NBA champions had a leading scorer somewhere in the area of 23 points a game or less than that. It’s probably not far from the norm.


Great , so Lebron might win a normal title this year and far below GOAT-caliber title of carrying the load like 2006 Wade, 2003 Duncan or Jordan's 6 chips, aka evidence piling up of non-goat caliber, aka it's a fake goat debate for ratings that many people fell for

[SouBeachTalents]

Great , so Lebron might win a normal title this year and far below GOAT-caliber title of carrying the load like 2006 Wade, 2003 Duncan or Jordan's 6 chips, aka evidence piling up of non-goat caliber, aka it's a fake goat debate for ratings that many people fell for
Why are you holding 38 year old LeBron to literal GOAT standards? You expect him to have a Jordan like run? Do you not realize how idiotic that is :lol

[Kblaze8855]

Funny thing to me is using the prospect of a normal title run as a negative. Like “He just won a normal title” is some kinda insult. If they win(a big “if”) it’s a championship….a fairly normal one. But it’s proof of a negative. And people push back when I say it doesn’t really matter what you do to a hater. They’re gonna find a way to hate. We have reached a hypothetical “Yea they won…but he put up 23/10/5 so….so what?” point of hate. At that point just sit it out.


That’s hitting someone with a marshmallow. If you’re gonna hit me then hit me. Got me turning my head to see a mild annoyance of no consequence. Hit me for real so we can fight and settle it or forever hold your peace. Don’t blow a bubble at me.

“He won…but on 23/10/5.” isn’t an attack. It’s barely a nuisance.

[3ba11]

Funny thing to me is using the prospect of a normal title run as a negative. Like “He just won a normal title” is some kinda insult. If they win(a big “if”) it’s a championship….a fairly normal one. But it’s proof of a negative. And people push back when I say it doesn’t really matter what you do to a hater. They’re gonna find a way to hate. We have reached a hypothetical “Yea they won…but he put up 23/10/5 so….so what?” point of hate. At that point just sit it out.


That’s hitting someone with a marshmallow. If you’re gonna hit me then hit me. Got me turning my head to see a mild annoyance of no consequence. Hit me for real so we can fight and settle it or forever hold your peace. Don’t blow a bubble at me.

“He won…but on 23/10/5.” isn’t an attack. It’s barely a nuisance.


yeah but you can't hit jordan with anything, not even marshmallows, and a bevy of marshmallows can win fights unanimously or be undefeated - at worst you're saying that MJ gets a unanimous decision against Lebron.

Ultimately, Lebron's dominant teammates and 23 ppg compares to Jordan just like everyone else's 23 ppg compared, aka vastly inferior to what Jordan did to win - there's no sense in citing Lebron's accomplishments if his performance or dominance was vastly inferior

[AlternativeAcc.]

Funny thing to me is using the prospect of a normal title run as a negative. Like “He just won a normal title” is some kinda insult. If they win(a big “if”) it’s a championship….a fairly normal one. But it’s proof of a negative. And people push back when I say it doesn’t really matter what you do to a hater. They’re gonna find a way to hate. We have reached a hypothetical “Yea they won…but he put up 23/10/5 so….so what?” point of hate. At that point just sit it out.


That’s hitting someone with a marshmallow. If you’re gonna hit me then hit me. Got me turning my head to see a mild annoyance of no consequence. Hit me for real so we can fight and settle it or forever hold your peace. Don’t blow a bubble at me.

“He won…but on 23/10/5.” isn’t an attack. It’s barely a nuisance.

It's actually a compliment. How many 38 year old are winning 'normal' titles? Kareem is the closest?


Pretending that still being capable of leading a championship team in scoring and playmaking at 38 is a knock is actual mental illness.

[Kblaze8855]

yeah but you can't hit jordan with anything, not even marshmallows, and a bevy of marshmallows can win fights unanimously or be undefeated - at worst you're saying that MJ gets a unanimous decision against Lebron.

Ultimately, Lebron's dominant teammates and 23 ppg compares to Jordan just like everyone else's 23 ppg did, aka vastly inferior - there's no sense in citing Lebron's accomplishments if they're vastly inferior


Why cite accomplishments if Jordan is better? What kind of question is that for a sports fan? I will sit down and talk about Glen Rice with my friends and family old enough to remember him. What the **** does someone better existing have to do with discussing a great player and his accomplishments?

Are people not supposed to talk about Jason Kidd because Magic Johnson existed?

Just go talk another subject if you want only the greatest of everything acknowledged.

[tpols]

Having only taken the quickest of glances id estimate 35 to 40 NBA champions had a leading scorer somewhere in the area of 23 points a game or less than that. It’s probably not far from the norm.


Lebron is better than 99% of people to ever play basketball.

I think OPs point is that it's weak compared to all of MJs rings. Which it would be.

[3ba11]

It's actually a compliment. How many 38 year old are winning 'normal' titles? Kareem is the closest?


Pretending that still being capable of leading a championship team in scoring and playmaking at 38 is a knock is actual mental illness.


23 ppg is vastly inferior to what Jordan did to win - there's no sense in citing Lebron's accomplishments if his performance or dominance was vastly inferior.. Comparing Lebron's rings to Jordan's is like comparing Lebron's rings to Horry's or ANY lesser player that didn't do as much to win

Lebron wasn't as dominant in his prime so he didn't win 6 chips and must now get an extra chip at old age with only 23 ppg and stacked team

[AlternativeAcc.]

23 ppg is vastly inferior to what Jordan did to win - there's no sense in citing Lebron's accomplishments if his performance or dominance was vastly inferior.. Comparing Lebron's rings to Jordan's is like comparing Lebron's rings to Horry's or ANY lesser player that didn't do as much to win

Lebron wasn't as dominant in his prime so he didn't win 6 chips and must now get an extra chip at old age with only 23 ppg and stacked team

That's not what you said 10 years ago before LeBron even peaked

https://i.ibb.co/XCD6m9n/3-Ball-Le-Bron-is-the-GOAT.png


:lol


So yeah, him continuing to be a dominant force and pile up longevity achievements is salt poured on a gaping, self-administered wound.

[Hey Yo]

23 ppg is vastly inferior to what Jordan did to win - there's no sense in citing Lebron's accomplishments if his performance or dominance was vastly inferior.. Comparing Lebron's rings to Jordan's is like comparing Lebron's rings to Horry's or ANY lesser player that didn't do as much to win

Lebron wasn't as dominant in his prime so he didn't win 6 chips and must now get an extra chip at old age with only 23 ppg and stacked team
What did MJ avg. to win in his 20th season?

[3ba11]

That's not what you said 10 years ago before LeBron even peaked

https://i.ibb.co/XCD6m9n/3-Ball-Le-Bron-is-the-GOAT.png


:lol


So yeah, him continuing to be a dominant force and pile up longevity achievements is salt poured on a gaping, self-administered wound.


The beginning of that thread was the 2013 ECF, so now there's a ton more evidence like those very Finals - Lebron averaged 16 on 39% for the first 3 games, while his 23 on 43% thru 6 was another historic choke and needed Ray Allen to save his career..

So the mods messed up - the posts say that I needed to see Lebron DOMINATE the Spurs, and that obviously didn't happen.. He got locked up and had another historic meltdown like 2010 ECSF or 11' Finals but he was saved by a miracle this time

Essentially, there's a decade of evidence since 2013, which includes yielding perennial underdogs and losers regardless of cast (with super-teams) and also having stacked teams that don't require him to dominate.. Comparing Lebron's rings to Jordan's is like comparing Lebron's rings to Horry's or ANY lesser player that didn't do as much to win

[AlternativeAcc.]

The beginning of that thread was the 2013 ECF, so now there's a ton more evidence like those very Finals - Lebron averaged 16 on 39% for the first 3 games, while his 23 on 43% thru 6 was another historic choke and needed Ray Allen to save his career..

So the mods messed up - the posts say that I needed to see Lebron DOMINATE the Spurs, and that obviously didn't happen.. He got locked up and had another historic meltdown like 2010 ECSF or 11' Finals but he was saved by a miracle this time

Essentially, there's a decade of evidence since 2013, which includes yielding perennial underdogs and losers regardless of cast (with super-teams) and also having stacked teams that don't require him to dominate.

Evidence like dominating the Spurs in games 6 and 7 to win his 2nd straight FMVP, then going on to field a contender with cancer Irving and dominate a 73 win team in the finals while leading in every stat, and fielding another championship in LA a few years after.... all of this while being the best playoff performer from 2012-2020 and continuing to dominate and lead championship caliber teams in his upper 30's which nobody has EVER done.


You mean, that evidence? :roll:


You admitted pre-peak LeBron was = MJ, and then he got better and dominated for another decade. :lol

[3ba11]

Evidence like dominating the Spurs in games 6 and 7 to win his 2nd straight FMVP, then going on to field a contender with cancer Irving and dominate a 73 win team in the finals while leading in every stat, and fielding another championship in LA a few years after.... all of this while being the best playoff performer from 2012-2020 and continuing to dominate and lead championship caliber teams in his upper 30's which nobody has EVER done.


You mean, that evidence? :roll:


You admitted pre-peak LeBron was = MJ, and then he got better and dominated for another decade. :lol


23 on 43% thru 6 games = meltdown

except Ray forced Game 7 to give 2nd life and save Lebron's career.. the 13' Finals were another meltdown like 11' Finals or 10 2nd Round

Lebron is the only guy with sidekicks that outplayed league MVP's like Curry, Jokic or Dirk - a sidekick outplaying an MVP is the most help possible and only Lebron had this..

But despite having the most stacked teams and preseason favorites from 11-16', Lebron fielded perennial underdogs (2012 Finals, 2014 Finals, 2016 Finals) or losers (2011, 2015)

[Ainosterhaspie]

OP. LeBron's inferior style of ball dominance means he's not great.
LeBron wins playing off ball.
OP. LeBron got carried.

Just seamlessly shifts from one position to a completely contradictory one. You have to play off ball in a team offense to be great, but if teammates actually score which is the whole point of paying off ball in a team offense, it means the player didn't do enough, so he can't be great.

[3ba11]

OP. LeBron's inferior style of ball dominance means he's not great.
LeBron wins playing off ball.
OP. LeBron got carried.

Just seamlessly shifts from one position to a completely contradictory one. You have to play off ball in a team offense to be great, but if teammates actually score which is the whole point of paying off ball in a team offense, it means the player didn't do enough, so he can't be great.


Lebron isn't capable of dominating off-ball - he can't add 30 ppg on top of this stacked roster to have a dominant favorite and dynasty like Curry or MJ would do... Instead, Lebron's paltry 23 ppg on bad efficiency (inability to dominate off-ball) is the only thing stopping these Lakers from being dominant favorites in every series instead of perennial underdogs

So previous years showed that Lebron's excessive ball-dominance created underdogs, and this year it's his inability to dominate off-ball

[AlternativeAcc.]

23 on 43% thru 6 games = meltdown

except Ray forced Game 7 to give 2nd life and save Lebron's career.. the 13' Finals were another meltdown like 11' Finals or 10 2nd Round

Lebron is the only guy with sidekicks that outplayed league MVP's like Curry, Jokic or Dirk - a sidekick outplaying an MVP is the most help possible and only Lebron had this..

But despite having the most stacked teams and preseason favorites from 11-16', Lebron fielded perennial underdogs (2012 Finals, 2014 Finals, 2016 Finals) or losers (2011, 2015)

LeBron beat a better team in 2013 than Jordan ever did, you admitted he was = MJ, and then he went on to beat a 73 win team in the middle of his peak and continues to dominate a full decade after you said peak/prime length would be the decider.



He fulfilled your criteria and then you backtracked like a coward out of shame. You've spent the last 10 years in denial and hoping for his demise while he continues to dominate. That's what the historical message board record shows in plain daylight

[3ba11]

LeBron beat a better team in 2013 than Jordan ever did, you admitted he was = MJ, and then he went on to beat a 73 win team in the middle of his peak and continues to dominate a full decade after you said peak/prime length would be the decider.



He fulfilled your criteria and then you backtracked like a coward out of shame. You've spent the last 10 years in denial and hoping for his demise while he continues to dominate. That's what the historical message board record shows in plain daylight


Lebron wet the bed against the Spurs with 25 ppg and a teammate getting 20, which would be the worst series of Jordan's career and worst dominance.

So Lebron drastically failed the criteria and then proceeded to yield perennial underdogs and losers with hand-picked preseason favorites for the next decade.. This was after being lottery, locked up or upset for every year from 2004-2011.

The guy is a joke and I'm proud of myself for railing against a fraud for the last 10 years, while you fell for it and are now embarrassed and scrambling

[8Ball]

That's not what you said 10 years ago before LeBron even peaked

https://i.ibb.co/XCD6m9n/3-Ball-Le-Bron-is-the-GOAT.png


:lol


So yeah, him continuing to be a dominant force and pile up longevity achievements is salt poured on a gaping, self-administered wound.

lmfao what a cuck 3ball is.

10 years ago he spoke the truth.

[8Ball]

OP. LeBron's inferior style of ball dominance means he's not great.
LeBron wins playing off ball.
OP. LeBron got carried.

Just seamlessly shifts from one position to a completely contradictory one. You have to play off ball in a team offense to be great, but if teammates actually score which is the whole point of paying off ball in a team offense, it means the player didn't do enough, so he can't be great.

Did you see him say Curry was the most overrated player in history and 6 months later landed in his top 5? :roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

38 year old LeBron: 23.4 ppg on 49%
Kobe's career Finals: 25.3 ppg on 41%
Bird's career Finals: 23.1 ppg on 46%

Shit's on LeBron's production at 38 when he's matching what his 2nd & 3rd best players ever did in their absolute prime on the biggest stage :lol

[3ba11]

lmfao what a cuck 3ball is.

10 years ago he spoke the truth.


I'm proud of myself for railing against the fraud for the last 10 years, while you fell for it - and Lebron still failed the fake criteria from that post of dominating the Spurs

Lebron wet the bed against the Spurs with 25 ppg and a teammate got 20, which would be the worst series of Jordan's career and worst dominance.

So Lebron drastically failed the criteria and then proceeded to yield perennial underdogs and losers with hand-picked super-teams for the next decade.. This was after being lottery, locked up or upset for every year from 2004-2011.

Lebron's historical record of losing with super-teams and turning preseason favorites into underdogs speaks for itself.. 20 years of longevity confirms that Lebron isn't capable of a dynasty, 3-peat or 6 chips with any lineup, aka objectively inferior to MJ

[8Ball]

38 year old LeBron: 23.4 ppg on 49%
Kobe's career Finals: 25.3 ppg on 41%
Bird's career Finals: 23.1 ppg on 46%

Shit's on LeBron's production at 38 when he's matching what his 2nd & 3rd best players ever did in their absolute prime on the biggest stage :lol

I would start Austin Reaves instead of 38 year old Jordan on this Lakers squad. That's how bad that Jordan was. A Westbrookian chucker.

[LeGoat4Life]

We all know Lebron has been playing second fiddle since AD’s arrival

[paksat]

Lebron beat superior teams than Jordan in the NBA Finals.

have you even watched much of mj? Are you just looking at stats?

[Lebron23]

have you even watched much of mj? Are you just looking at stats?

LeBron and the Cavs in 2018 would beat the 1998 jazz and bulls. Hornacek and Stockton averaged 10 ppg and 9 ppg in the 1998 nba finals

[Johnny32]

lebron is averaging 23 ppg on 18 fga on 55 ts%

little mikey (97) - 31 ppg on 25 fga on 47 ts%
little mikey (98) - 32 ppg on 26 fga on 48 ts%

lol @ your fraudulent chucking hero.

[Full Court]

Jordan averaged 20 ppg on 41 FG% when he played for the Wizards.

38-year old Jordan still had more 40 point games than 38-year old Bronie did.

Truth hurts.

:lebroncry:

[Full Court]

There were games in this years' playoffs where Bronie got outplayed by AD, Russell, Hachimura, and Lonnie Walker IV. :roll:

Ponder that, Bronie fluffers.

[ImKobe]

Rip Hamilton was arguably the best player on the '04 Pistons in the POs overall though.

[Johnny32]

not only is lebron leading his team in scoring, he's also leading in assists and the lakers second best defender (drtg) in the playoffs. let's compare this to lil mikey in his last nba finals.

led team in scoring, fifth in assists, 11th in drtg

lebron - leading scorer, playmaker and second best defender on his team
mikey - leading scorer, middle of the pack playmaker, awful defender

leouchie

[Johnny32]

Rip Hamilton was arguably the best player on the '04 Pistons in the POs overall though.

good point. rip was also arguably the best player on the 2002 wizards.

mikey - 23 ppg on 22 fga on 47 ts%
rip ham - 20 ppg on 17 fga on 51 ts%

leouchiex2