We call guys like AD and Embiid “elite” big men, Jokic makes them look incompeten

[FultzNationRISE]

Compared to this dude, the “top centers” in the league look like they actually dont know how to play basketball. Like they literally look like kids at a summer camp who havent learned to do more than run up and down.

He’s exposing the league’s “stars” as marketing machine scrubs.

How do we feel about this?

[fourkicks44]

It is simplistic to narrow it to "top centers".

He is better than all players at all positions.

If he wins the chip, he could honestly have the best season of any player ever.

Lebron's record for leading both Finals teams in all major stat categories is in jeopardy.

[FultzNationRISE]

It is simplistic to narrow it to "top centers".

He is better than all players at all positions.

If he wins the chip, he could honestly have the best season of any player ever.

Lebron's record for leading both Finals teams in all major stat categories is in jeopardy.


Fair, but theres a limit to how effective wing players can be scoring and passing from the post.

Guys like AD and Embiid can match his size. They have no excuse to have such a comparatively amateur level of basketball skill.

Theyre basically just tall jump shooting wings that got put at the center position. It looks like they never got taught even the basics of playing center.

[Im Still Ballin]

He's so great to watch because he kills them with size and skills. It must be maddening to play him.

[ImKobe]

Jokic isn't close to as good on defense but people keep ignoring that.

[StrongLurk]

Jokic isn't close to as good on defense but people keep ignoring that.

Except offense is always more important than defense when looking at individual players.

If you are a GOAT on offense, then you can get away with being average on defense. Jokic is also a rebounding machine which helps offset his defensive shortcomings.

[fourkicks44]

Jokic isn't close to as good on defense but people keep ignoring that.

And "top centers" like AD and Embiid provide rim protection as centers are supposed to do. Joker's defense isn't horrible, he at least supplies a big body as centers should also do.

The point I'm trying to make is it is more so "elite" guards and play makers that he makes look incompetent as opposed to centers. He is the center doing things better than they can.

[ImKobe]

And "top centers" like AD and Embiid provide rim protection as centers are supposed to do. Joker's defense isn't horrible, he at least supplies a big body as centers should also do.

The point I'm trying to make is it is more so "elite" guards and play makers that he makes look incompetent as opposed to centers. He is the center doing things better than they can.

It's bad compared to those guys. I get the offensive talent (he's way better than AD offensively skill-wise ofc), but I'm not as impressed by him because AD looks like peak Shaq against the Nuggets on the other side, and Jokic plays a huge part in his team's defense not being that good.

[bdonovan]

Jokic gave up 40 points to Anthony Davis. Pay attention to both ends of the floor.

[FultzNationRISE]

Jokic gave up 40 points to Anthony Davis. Pay attention to both ends of the floor.


Most of Davis’ points came when the Nuggets were 20 up already. AD also has no meaningful ability to use his scoring to get others involved so it was probably part of the Nuggets plan to concede to him. Furthermore, part of the reason Jokic doesnt contest shots is because if he gets in foul trouble the Nuggets literally have no chance at winning games.

Any intelligent person who watched that game could see the difference in ability was astronomical.

Youre weird and paranoid.

[HoopologyPhD]

Basketball as a sport requires the least amount of skill out of almost any sport outside of track and field.

[bdonovan]

Most of Davis’ points came when the Nuggets were 20 up already. AD also has no meaningful ability to use his scoring to get others involved so it was probably part of the Nuggets plan to concede to him. Furthermore, part of the reason Jokic doesnt contest shots is because if he gets in foul trouble the Nuggets literally have no chance at winning games.

Any intelligent person who watched that game could see the difference in ability was astronomical.

Youre weird and paranoid.

Well as far as I could tell Jokic was gassed in the second half. He kept letting people drive by and score on him and not just Davis. Even guys like Rui Hachimura were driving right by Jokic in 2H.

[FultzNationRISE]

Well as far as I could tell Jokic was gassed in the second half. He kept letting people drive by and score on him and not just Davis. Even guys like Rui Hachimura were driving right by Jokic in 2H.

He was definitely gassed, on top of that they were defending a lead in the second half and trying to keep Jokic out of foul trouble. In the first half when everything was equal, Jokic was actually shutting him down, AD looked impotent.

Despite AD’s 40 points he finished -8 while Jokic finished +11.

Theres more to the game than points padding in garbage time.

[90sgoat]

Like someone wrote, Embiid is the Harden of centers, he just isn't and never has been, the real deal.

Manufactured flopping choker.

Literally made a career of crying to the refs.

[Micku]

Most of Davis’ points came when the Nuggets were 20 up already. AD also has no meaningful ability to use his scoring to get others involved so it was probably part of the Nuggets plan to concede to him. Furthermore, part of the reason Jokic doesnt contest shots is because if he gets in foul trouble the Nuggets literally have no chance at winning games.

Any intelligent person who watched that game could see the difference in ability was astronomical.

Youre weird and paranoid.

Hahaha, that could be an excuse for bad defense. It is smart to do that when you are in foul trouble for sure.

But Jokic was the best player in that game, and probably the best player in the game. I think it's a two-way race with Giannis and Jokic.

At first I thought it was between three guys between Jokic, Giannis, and Embiid. But Embiid keeps getting hurt in the POs and/or he tends not to be as effective in the POs. I think it's because the foul baiting doesn't work as well, and he relies too much on his jump shot. Jokic plays even better in the playoffs. And his control of the game is crazy. It's like he is a bigger Larry Bird or something.

Jokic isn't that bad defensively. He just isn't AD, Embiid or Giannis. Jokic isn't elite. It just his offensive prowess just exceeds all of that. The match-up with Jokic and AD is entertaining for sure.

[Full Court]

Most of Davis’ points came when the Nuggets were 20 up already. AD also has no meaningful ability to use his scoring to get others involved so it was probably part of the Nuggets plan to concede to him. Furthermore, part of the reason Jokic doesnt contest shots is because if he gets in foul trouble the Nuggets literally have no chance at winning games.

Any intelligent person who watched that game could see the difference in ability was astronomical.

Youre weird and paranoid.

AD arguably outplayed Jokic that game. But both of them were getting whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted.

Jokic is top three in the league right now - maybe number 1, but the hyperbole is a little ridiculous.

[bison]

Jokic is averaging 31/14/10 these playoffs, easily better than any Lebron playoff run.

[PP34Deuce]

AD being able to score has clouded people perception of him.

AD is a generational switch and help big. He did it in college and does it in NBA. He has great natural feel offensively but he's always been known as a defensive terror to team defense