Nikola Jokic is better than Patrick Ewing, David Robinson, Mourning, Dwight, Yao

[Lebron23]

And if he plays in the 1990's he would be battling Hakeem and Shaq for the title of best Center in the NBA.

[HoopologyPhD]

OP knows excellence when he sees it :cheers::applause:

[Im Still Ballin]

As great as he is now, he'd be even better in the past. His flaws would be mitigated; his strengths would be heightened. The game slanted toward what he does best: dominate in the paint and pass to cutters and shooters.

[Airupthere]

No one has asked the most important question yet…

Put Jokic in the 90s Utah Jazz, how many ringzz?

[Lebron23]

No one has asked the most important question yet…

Put Jokic in the 90s Utah Jazz, how many ringzz?

Nba champion. He is 10x better than Greg Ostertag

[Airupthere]

Nba champion. He is 10x better than Greg Ostertag

That makes him about 14x better than Foster

[90sgoat]

Agreed.

I'm not ready yet to call him in the same league as Shaq and Hakeem, but for sure he is in that category and has left the second tier behind.

[TheMan]

No one has asked the most important question yet…

Put Jokic in the 90s Utah Jazz, how many ringzz?

Better yet, team him up with MJ and Pip...147 rings?

[RogueBorg]

And if he plays in the 1990's he would be battling Hakeem and Shaq for the title of best Center in the NBA.

Jokic has trouble guarding AD in the paint, what do you think Shaq and Hakeem would do to him? He couldn't guard Robinson and Ewing neither for that matter. Jokic would be Paul Mokeski (Google servers about to crash)

[plowking]

Jokic's pre draft scouting report is interesting:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2096255-nikola-jokic-nba-draft-2014-highlights-scouting-report-and-more#:~:text=A%206'11%22%20stature%20may,passes%20 over%20and%20around%20defenders.

[HoopologyPhD]

Jokic's pre draft scouting report is interesting:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2096255-nikola-jokic-nba-draft-2014-highlights-scouting-report-and-more#:~:text=A%206'11%22%20stature%20may,passes%20 over%20and%20around%20defenders.

Whoever wrote it lost whatever credibility when they referred to Boris Diaw as unathletic.
He might have gotten fat and lazy but was strong and quick enough to guard prime Lebron as good as anyone else.

[Patrick Chewing]

Yeah I think Shaq and Hakeem eat the Joker's lunch on a daily basis. The first 5-6 years of David Robinson's career destroy the Joker too.

[bdonovan]

Jokic is a solid player but he's not an all time great. His MVPs were handouts from the media based on two misunderstandings, a) He racked up stats on a crummy team (see Westbrook MVP), b) Stats don't tell the whole picture- particularly defense.

Look at who you're comparing to. Hakeem could protect the rim, Shaq could keep anyone from getting close to the hoop. Ewing was a defensive presence. All of those guys at least in their prime could move for a big man. Defense is half the game.

No offense but Jokic just got outscored by Anthony Davis in Game 1 at home- against a guy who didn't get a single MVP vote and averaged just about 20 points in the postseason. Jokic was guarding Davis and let up 40 points.

The Nuggets play a smart game with ball movement, player movement; they gel as a team with the right pieces that complement each other. Jokic is a key part of that. His lack of conditioning and defensive prowess hurts his all-time prospects. I'm watching 2nd half of Game 1, and see Lakers players blow by Jokic. Not only is he slow, one of the reasons the Lakers came back in the 2nd Half is that Jokic looks gassed.

I'll look for the Lakers to exploit that next game and certainly at home.

[bdonovan]

Jokic's pre draft scouting report is interesting:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2096255-nikola-jokic-nba-draft-2014-highlights-scouting-report-and-more#:~:text=A%206'11%22%20stature%20may,passes%20 over%20and%20around%20defenders.

"Jokic's weaknesses revolve around his bottom-tier athleticism"

Haha, these scouts are even more brutal with their wording than movie critics.

[1987_Lakers]

Jokic is a solid player but he's not an all time great.

:facepalm

[SouBeachTalents]

Jokic is a solid player but he's not an all time great. His MVPs were handouts from the media based on two misunderstandings, a) He racked up stats on a crummy team (see Westbrook MVP), b) Stats don't tell the whole picture- particularly defense.

Look at who you're comparing to. Hakeem could protect the rim, Shaq could keep anyone from getting close to the hoop. Ewing was a defensive presence. All of those guys at least in their prime could move for a big man. Defense is half the game.

No offense but Jokic just got outscored by Anthony Davis in Game 1 at home- against a guy who didn't get a single MVP vote and averaged just about 20 points in the postseason. Jokic was guarding Davis and let up 40 points.

The Nuggets play a smart game with ball movement, player movement; they gel as a team with the right pieces that complement each other. Jokic is a key part of that. His lack of conditioning and defensive prowess hurts his all-time prospects. I'm watching 2nd half of Game 1, and see Lakers players blow by Jokic. Not only is he slow, one of the reasons the Lakers came back in the 2nd Half is that Jokic looks gassed.

I'll look for the Lakers to exploit that next game and certainly at home.
Oh look, the biggest snob on the forum with another terrible take :lol

[Phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uBzQTL6Apg

[Kblaze8855]

Jokic is “solid”?

[tpols]

Did this scumbag really just compare jokic to westbrook?

[Im Still Ballin]

Jokic would fare far better on defense in the past. Not sure why it's being suggested otherwise. More post-up defense as opposed to pick-and-roll/dribble penetration is good for Nikola... obviously. And you'd be able to get away with two bigs like Dirk in the '00s. Dallas won a championship playing Dirk and Tyson Chandler together only 12 years ago.

[ShawkFactory]

Jokic is a solid player but he's not an all time great. His MVPs were handouts from the media based on two misunderstandings, a) He racked up stats on a crummy team (see Westbrook MVP), b) Stats don't tell the whole picture- particularly defense.

Look at who you're comparing to. Hakeem could protect the rim, Shaq could keep anyone from getting close to the hoop. Ewing was a defensive presence. All of those guys at least in their prime could move for a big man. Defense is half the game.

No offense but Jokic just got outscored by Anthony Davis in Game 1 at home- against a guy who didn't get a single MVP vote and averaged just about 20 points in the postseason. Jokic was guarding Davis and let up 40 points.

The Nuggets play a smart game with ball movement, player movement; they gel as a team with the right pieces that complement each other. Jokic is a key part of that. His lack of conditioning and defensive prowess hurts his all-time prospects. I'm watching 2nd half of Game 1, and see Lakers players blow by Jokic. Not only is he slow, one of the reasons the Lakers came back in the 2nd Half is that Jokic looks gassed.

I'll look for the Lakers to exploit that next game and certainly at home.

What the actual fvck :lol

[SATAN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uBzQTL6Apg

Such rough and tough 90s defense. :lol

[WhiteKyrie]

Hell no.

Better than Dwight, Mourning and Yao? Easily.

Better than D-Rob and Ewing? Hell no. He’s playing in a soft league, at a position that is dead, with very few with the requisite size to handle him. Anthony Davis matched him in terms of performance last night, stuffed his shit multiple times, and Anthony Davis really is a PF.

Kevin Garnett has better foot speed on the perimeter to close out on Jokic long top of the key threes that no one closes out on, especially AD’s at times lazy ass.

KG could guard quick small forwards in his prime. While having the requisite length like Anthony Davis, plus shit, talking, psychological aspect, and isn’t made of glass

Tim Duncan could being with Jokic and give him issue. So could Patrick Ewing and definitely David Robinson, who was a hyper athlete at his size especially.

The only person who can be physical with him in today’s game is Joel Embiid, and he’s a soft wet flower African’t bitch.

He’s very great, he’s basically are divas Sabonis mixed with Bill Walton, mixed with touches of McHale and Bird. But hell no.

[SouBeachTalents]

Hell no.

Better than Dwight, Mourning and Yao? Easily.

Better than D-Rob and Ewing? Hell no. He’s playing in a soft league, at a position that is dead, with very few with the requisite size to handle him. Anthony Davis matched him in terms of performance last night, stuffed his shit multiple times, and Anthony Davis really is a PF.

Kevin Garnett has better foot speed on the perimeter to close out on Jokic long top of the key threes that no one closes out on, especially AD’s at times lazy ass.

KG could guard quick small forwards in his prime. While having the requisite length like Anthony Davis, plus shit, talking, psychological aspect, and isn’t made of glass

Tim Duncan could being with Jokic and give him issue. So could Patrick Ewing and definitely David Robinson, who was a hyper athlete at his size especially.

The only person who can be physical with him in today’s game is Joel Embiid, and he’s a soft wet flower African’t bitch.

He’s very great, he’s basically are divas Sabonis mixed with Bill Walton, mixed with touches of McHale and Bird. But hell no.
He’s MUCH better than Ewing. FOH :lol I’d say he’s better than Robinson too but at least that can be debated. And anyone who claims AD matched him last night is a terrible evaluator of basketball.

[tpols]

Hell no.

Better than Dwight, Mourning and Yao? Easily.

Better than D-Rob and Ewing? Hell no. He’s playing in a soft league, at a position that is dead, with very few with the requisite size to handle him. Anthony Davis matched him in terms of performance last night, stuffed his shit multiple times, and Anthony Davis really is a PF.

Kevin Garnett has better foot speed on the perimeter to close out on Jokic long top of the key threes that no one closes out on, especially AD’s at times lazy ass.

KG could guard quick small forwards in his prime. While having the requisite length like Anthony Davis, plus shit, talking, psychological aspect, and isn’t made of glass

Tim Duncan could being with Jokic and give him issue. So could Patrick Ewing and definitely David Robinson, who was a hyper athlete at his size especially.

The only person who can be physical with him in today’s game is Joel Embiid, and he’s a soft wet flower African’t bitch.

He’s very great, he’s basically are divas Sabonis mixed with Bill Walton, mixed with touches of McHale and Bird. But hell no.

Jokic playoff production kills David Robinson and Ewing, who while they were way better defenders, aren't anywhere near the offensive playoff performer.

Jokiç shot on 80+% H2H vs AD yesterday. AD was only able to block him on a double team as help defender.

Center position is weak today compared to the 90s but those 90s centers simply couldn't shoot or pass anywhere near at the level of jokic. Comparing Ewing or Robinsons passing or shooting / scoring ability to jokic is worse than comparing jokic defense to their defense. Especially in the playoffs when Pat and David's offense fell off a cliff.

Jokic simply is way smarter than Ewing and more headstrong and peripherally intelligent than Robinson.

[dankok8]

Way better than Ewing, Mourning, Dwight, Yao... No debate there.

Jokic vs. Robinson is still a debate.

[tpols]

Way better than Ewing, Mourning, Dwight, Yao... No debate there.

Jokic vs. Robinson is still a debate.

In the playoffs?

Not even close.

[r0drig0lac]

Did this scumbag really just compare jokic to westbrook?

lol

[Kblaze8855]

Comparing Ewing or Robinsons passing or shooting / scoring ability to jokic is worse than comparing jokic defense to their defense.


Passing yes. Scoring no. Both of them are way way way closer to Jokic as scorers than he is to either of them on defense. And that’s with them playing teams almost exclusively built to defend players like them. They weren’t generally gonna be covered by Rui Hachimura for long like we just saw Jokic get so AD could help if necessary. You put joker against either one of their teams and if you take Ewing or Robinson off him that just means Charles Oakley or Dennis Rodman steps in. You weren’t going to get anybody you can push around even if there is a size mismatch. You take Shaq off him you put Horace Grant on. Take Hakeem off you put Otis Thorpe on.

that’s where it gets hard to compare. Even if you used one of those great centers as help defense you were going to put a bruising defense first full size to power forward in his place.

The main advantage Joker has compared to Drob is that he isn’t soft. Ewing isn’t soft but lacked the “Holy shit….” athletic ability that made Drob a defensive terror and so quick on offense when he cared enough to show it.


my problem with David and why I would probably rather have joker is that David had the advantage over almost everybody, but will play the same way. You go and watch him versus run TMC who absolutely should not have been able to hold him below 40 and he’s out there chilling his way to an efficient 20 something. Joker would give Tom Tolbert 66.

Jokic has heart like Ewing, skill like Hakeem, and a mean streak. And he’s in a league that has shooting to keep teams from collapsing without paying the price and opposing bigs are usually soft and don’t make him work to stop them.

David today would be a bigger Giannis with a much better mid range shot but none of his aggression and killer instinct. He wouldn’t care to prove anyone wrong. He be content once he got his contract because he could help the poor and bring glory to God. Which is fine I just don’t want it to be the chief motivation for my star. David would be better than Jokic today if he wanted it like Patrick Ewing wanted it. Ewing might be better if he had Robinsons mobility and quickness.

As it stands…I’d probably take Joker for today.

[dankok8]

In the playoffs?

Not even close.

Robinson is one of the GOAT defensive bigs. Yes it is close.

[tontoz]

Oh look, the biggest snob on the forum with another terrible take :lol

Yeah a 48 win team (without Murray and MPJ) is a "crummy team" . :facepalm

[SouBeachTalents]

Yeah a 48 win team (without Murray and MPJ) is a "crummy team" . :facepalm
He's just a Westbrook bro, solid player but nothing special.

[j3lademaster]

He's just a Westbrook bro, solid player but nothing special.Wizards Westbrook at best, not even the MVP version.

[FultzNationRISE]

Hell no.

Better than Dwight, Mourning and Yao? Easily.

Better than D-Rob and Ewing? Hell no. He’s playing in a soft league, at a position that is dead, with very few with the requisite size to handle him. Anthony Davis matched him in terms of performance last night, stuffed his shit multiple times, and Anthony Davis really is a PF.

Kevin Garnett has better foot speed on the perimeter to close out on Jokic long top of the key threes that no one closes out on, especially AD’s at times lazy ass.

KG could guard quick small forwards in his prime. While having the requisite length like Anthony Davis, plus shit, talking, psychological aspect, and isn’t made of glass

Tim Duncan could being with Jokic and give him issue. So could Patrick Ewing and definitely David Robinson, who was a hyper athlete at his size especially.

The only person who can be physical with him in today’s game is Joel Embiid, and he’s a soft wet flower African’t bitch.

He’s very great, he’s basically are divas Sabonis mixed with Bill Walton, mixed with touches of McHale and Bird. But hell no.

:roll:


If you equate point total to performance.... oof.

[WhiteKyrie]

:roll:


If you equate point total to performance.... oof.

I mean yea that’s significant

40 on his head with 14 for 23 from the field, 10 boards and 2 blocks.

Jokic was obviously better, mainly due to his passing but clearly he’s not much of a defender. Great offensive rebounder, which is the actual meaningful rebounds in the stat column.

Lakers need someone else who can score over 30. It has to be Austin Reaves, or D’Angelo Russell, because Bron can only get buckets in transition now.

[L.Kizzle]

Jokic is a top 10ish center of All-Time. Him being above 10 or under 10 is the question.

Here is a list of NBA centers who were named MVP.
Bill Russell (5)
Wilt Chamberlain (4)
Wes Unseld
Willis Reed
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (6)
Dave Cowens
Bob McAdoo
Bill Walton
Moses Malone (3)
Hakeem Olajuwon
David Robinson
Shaquille O'Neal
Nikola Jokic (2)
Joel Embiid

[bdonovan]

Yeah a 48 win team (without Murray and MPJ) is a "crummy team" . :facepalm

It certainly is a crummy team by MVP standards. I checked W-L for MVP winners and the only team similar in record is the 2018 OKC Thunder which won 47 games (the year Westbrook won the MVP). http://www.espn.com/nba/history/awards/_/id/33

You don't see MVPs with mediocre records like that.

In both cases, both players had impressive stats because they lost one of their top players. Nuggets lost Murray to injury, OKC lost Durant (the year before that).

Now that Murray is back, it's a wonder Jokic got as many votes as he did. He wasn't even in the top 20 in scoring and he's not a defensive player either.

http://www.espn.com/nba/history/awards/_/id/33 - if you look at the MVPs, they've been scoring leaders or near the top.

Far as his rebounds, you can forget defensive rebounds- that shouldn't even be a stat- usually DR are gotten over one's own teammates. As far as offensive rebounds, he's nowhere near the lead.

Judging by all the tantrums, seems like far too many have an emotional attachment to Jokic rather than a rational one; sorry to let down all the Europhiles here.

[tpols]

Passing yes. Scoring no. Both of them are way way way closer to Jokic as scorers than he is to either of them on defense. And that’s with them playing teams almost exclusively built to defend players like them. They weren’t generally gonna be covered by Rui Hachimura for long like we just saw Jokic get so AD could help if necessary. You put joker against either one of their teams and if you take Ewing or Robinson off him that just means Charles Oakley or Dennis Rodman steps in. You weren’t going to get anybody you can push around even if there is a size mismatch. You take Shaq off him you put Horace Grant on. Take Hakeem off you put Otis Thorpe on.

that’s where it gets hard to compare. Even if you used one of those great centers as help defense you were going to put a bruising defense first full size to power forward in his place.

The main advantage Joker has compared to Drob is that he isn’t soft. Ewing isn’t soft but lacked the “Holy shit….” athletic ability that made Drob a defensive terror and so quick on offense when he cared enough to show it.


my problem with David and why I would probably rather have joker is that David had the advantage over almost everybody, but will play the same way. You go and watch him versus run TMC who absolutely should not have been able to hold him below 40 and he’s out there chilling his way to an efficient 20 something. Joker would give Tom Tolbert 66.

Jokic has heart like Ewing, skill like Hakeem, and a mean streak. And he’s in a league that has shooting to keep teams from collapsing without paying the price and opposing bigs are usually soft and don’t make him work to stop them.

David today would be a bigger Giannis with a much better mid range shot but none of his aggression and killer instinct. He wouldn’t care to prove anyone wrong. He be content once he got his contract because he could help the poor and bring glory to God. Which is fine I just don’t want it to be the chief motivation for my star. David would be better than Jokic today if he wanted it like Patrick Ewing wanted it. Ewing might be better if he had Robinsons mobility and quickness.

As it stands…I’d probably take Joker for today.

Jokic shot 10-13 on AD last night h2h. He was schooling him 1v1 which is crazy because AD has been on a defensive tear. The only reason rui worked is it allowed AD to showcase his elite help defense on him. But it didn't really work.... Nuggets still won.

As far as the scoring stuff goes, like you said... Robinson had the ability but no playoff motor. Ewing had the motor, but not half the skill or shooting touch. And both get trounced as far as creation and passing ability.

[tontoz]

It certainly is a crummy team by MVP standards. I checked W-L for MVP winners and the only team similar in record is the 2018 OKC Thunder which won 47 games (the year Westbrook won the MVP). http://www.espn.com/nba/history/awards/_/id/33

You don't see MVPs with mediocre records like that.

In both cases, both players had impressive stats because they lost one of their top players. Nuggets lost Murray to injury, OKC lost Durant (the year before that).

Now that Murray is back, it's a wonder Jokic got as many votes as he did. He wasn't even in the top 20 in scoring and he's not a defensive player either.

http://www.espn.com/nba/history/awards/_/id/33 - if you look at the MVPs, they've been scoring leaders or near the top.

Far as his rebounds, you can forget defensive rebounds- that shouldn't even be a stat- usually DR are gotten over one's own teammates. As far as offensive rebounds, he's nowhere near the lead.

Judging by all the tantrums, seems like far too many have an emotional attachment to Jokic rather than a rational one; sorry to let down all the Europhiles here.

There is no such thing as a "crummy team" that wins 48 games. That is just you making up nonsense.

Denver lost Murray and MPJ that year. MPJ tried to play the first 9 games hurt, then missed the rest of the season. MPJ averaged 19 with a 66% TS the previous season.

Denver's second option was Will Barton and they still won 48.

[j3lademaster]

There is no such thing as a "crummy team" that wins 48 games. That is just you making up nonsense.

Denver lost Murray and MPJ that year. MPJ tried to play the first 9 games hurt, then missed the rest of the season. MPJ averaged 19 with a 66% TS the previous season.

Denver's second option was Will Barton and they still won 48.Yeah, 2nd option for like 20 games or something. Their second option seemed to change weekly, hard to set consistent rotations when everyone besides your best player are all so mediocre.

[ShawkFactory]

It certainly is a crummy team by MVP standards. I checked W-L for MVP winners and the only team similar in record is the 2018 OKC Thunder which won 47 games (the year Westbrook won the MVP). http://www.espn.com/nba/history/awards/_/id/33

You don't see MVPs with mediocre records like that.

In both cases, both players had impressive stats because they lost one of their top players. Nuggets lost Murray to injury, OKC lost Durant (the year before that).

Now that Murray is back, it's a wonder Jokic got as many votes as he did. He wasn't even in the top 20 in scoring and he's not a defensive player either.

http://www.espn.com/nba/history/awards/_/id/33 - if you look at the MVPs, they've been scoring leaders or near the top.

Far as his rebounds, you can forget defensive rebounds- that shouldn't even be a stat- usually DR are gotten over one's own teammates. As far as offensive rebounds, he's nowhere near the lead.

Judging by all the tantrums, seems like far too many have an emotional attachment to Jokic rather than a rational one; sorry to let down all the Europhiles here.

They won 57 games the year before with Murray playing half the season. The second leading scoring on the team in 22 was Will Barton, a 12mpg guy on a lottery team this past year. Let that sink in for you.

The stats are not what won him the MVP. He had an absolutely ridiculous roster around him and they won 48 games.

He wasn't "handed" shit.

[j3lademaster]

They won 57 games the year before with Murray playing half the season. The second leading scoring on the team in 22 was Will Barton, a 12mpg guy on a lottery team this past year. Let that sink in for you.

The stats are not what won him the MVP. He had an absolutely ridiculous roster around him and they won 48 games.

He wasn't "handed" shit.Jokic is one of those teammates who make you just want to run the floor and cut hard at the basket, trusting you'll be rewarded.

[FultzNationRISE]

It certainly is a crummy team by MVP standards. I checked W-L for MVP winners and the only team similar in record is the 2018 OKC Thunder which won 47 games (the year Westbrook won the MVP). http://www.espn.com/nba/history/awards/_/id/33

You don't see MVPs with mediocre records like that.

In both cases, both players had impressive stats because they lost one of their top players. Nuggets lost Murray to injury, OKC lost Durant (the year before that).

Now that Murray is back, it's a wonder Jokic got as many votes as he did. He wasn't even in the top 20 in scoring and he's not a defensive player either.

http://www.espn.com/nba/history/awards/_/id/33 - if you look at the MVPs, they've been scoring leaders or near the top.

Far as his rebounds, you can forget defensive rebounds- that shouldn't even be a stat- usually DR are gotten over one's own teammates. As far as offensive rebounds, he's nowhere near the lead.

Judging by all the tantrums, seems like far too many have an emotional attachment to Jokic rather than a rational one; sorry to let down all the Europhiles here.


Says the guy who made a bizarre thread of paranoia about Giannis’ skin color?

[FireDavidKahn]

People still argue otherwise?

[FireDavidKahn]

Jokic has trouble guarding AD in the paint, what do you think Shaq and Hakeem would do to him? He couldn't guard Robinson and Ewing neither for that matter. Jokic would be Paul Mokeski (Google servers about to crash)

:roll:

You say this as if anyone could slow down prime Shaq or Hakeem.:roll:

You can only hope they have an off game.

[SaltyMeatballs]

I'll go as far to say that if Jokic wins a ring this year he'll be the 6th best center of all time. Right behind Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Shaq, Hakeem.

[Micku]

As great as he is now, he'd be even better in the past. His flaws would be mitigated; his strengths would be heightened. The game slanted toward what he does best: dominate in the paint and pass to cutters and shooters.

I actually don't think so. I don't think the coach in the 90s would want him to do a point center type of role, with him walking the ball up and down the floor. The game would be more physical as well. Basically, I think the coaching would limit him.

I think he might not fill the stats as much, but he would still be amazing because of his touch around the basket, counter moves, great footwork, his insane passing skills. If he gets the right coach that let him expand his game and we'll see him revolutionize the center position. Skill-wise offensively, he is up there with the best of the best man. It's insane.

[Micku]

:roll:

You say this as if anyone could slow down prime Shaq or Hakeem.:roll:

You can only hope they have an off game.

Yeah, no one can guard Hakeem or Shaq lol.

And I don't think they could guard Jokic either. When you are that good, you just have to hope for the best and it's more about team defense and timely stops.

[Full Court]

He's also better than Lebron ever was.

[kawhileonard2]

Jokic in the 90's would be the equivalent of Brad Daugherty.

[PeroAntic]

Jokic in the 90's would be the equivalent of Brad Daugherty.

Nonsense, in the 90s hes even more effective with schemes not as complex and reliance on the big man post game.

I know Im in the minority here, and I recognize Jokic's IQ and pure ball talent is way above everyone else, but I just cant get all excited when I see his fat ass gag around the court like some penguin lol. If he wins this year he is definitely in the company of the GOAT centers.

[King Baron]

Yep, already a better player than all listed in OP (and especially Embiid). Anyone who watched Nuggets games this year knows he should have been the unanimous MVP.

[kawhileonard2]

Nonsense, in the 90s hes even more effective with schemes not as complex and reliance on the big man post game.

I know Im in the minority here, and I recognize Jokic's IQ and pure ball talent is way above everyone else, but I just cant get all excited when I see his fat ass gag around the court like some penguin lol. If he wins this year he is definitely in the company of the GOAT centers.

Dealing with other elite bigs would destroy him. He would be the same as Brad Daugherty.

[ImKobe]

I don't think people realize how good Ewing & Robinson were for their era man.

[PeroAntic]

Dealing with other elite bigs would destroy him. He would be the same as Brad Daugherty.

Except hes heavier than all of them, just as tall, has a better touch/shot/hook, and can pass better out of the double team than any one of those elite bigs. gtfoh

[DCL]

Jokic doesn't remind me of ewing or alonzo.

he actually reminds me of magic and bird.

[Phoenix]

Jokic's skillset would be different in the 90's, as with all these conversations of 'what would year 2023 player do 30 years ago'. He frankly wouldn't even be ALLOWED to develop the skills he has now, because his coaches would park his ass down in the post or at least around the elbow and make him Rik Smits on steriods. All those playmaking skills you see would get Thanos-snapped. He sure as hell wouldn't remotely resemble the guy we see now.

[OrlandoMagicGuy]

The defensive gap is ENORMOUS,much bigger gap than with AD,Gobert and Embiid.

[Mask the Embiid]

I disagree. A washed Dwight beat him head 2 head in a series....



and him and David robinson are about =. no pippen

[tontoz]

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