Could guards who cant shoot win MVP in today's NBA?

[TAZORAC]

3 notable non-shooting former MVP'S who come to mind are Iverson, Westbrook and Rose. All great scorers but sub-par shooters. With the important of the 3 point shot in today's NBA, do you think non-shooting guards could win an MVP?

Do you think prime Rose, Iverson or Westbrook could win an MVP today?

Honestly Westbrook isn't that far off from what he was when he won the MVP, its just the game has changed that much and he can't shoot for shit.

I think Morant is capable of winning the MVP but even he shoots better then Iverson, Westbrook and Rose

[HoopologyPhD]

In the right situation, yes, more than ever in the modern era. I can't think of many teams that ever had five outside threats starting and if your Cs and PFs, they could easily accommodate a poor shooting guard.

[FultzNationRISE]

Could they win MVP and could they deserve MVP are two different things.

Both are conceivable, but winning it is especially conceivable given the media’s notorious lack of ability to evaluate players properly anyway.

[tpols]

The spacing offered by teammates all being able to shoot 3s would give game breaking lanes to rose and Iverson.

Prime Rose played with Keith Bogans, Carlos boozer, and Noah in his starting lineup. 0 spacing. Iverson played with Eric snow, mutumbo, and Aaron mckie.

Eye test Rose and Iverson were like souped up versions of morant... so they'd still be making things happen.

[Kblaze8855]

It’s hard to even imagine AI with 4 shooters, hands off rules, and freedom of movement off the ball. People maybe 70% his speed are impossible to keep in front of you. He’d be taking more free throws than Harden was without needing to fall on every 3 pointer to do it.

[BigKobeFan]

how can you stop a guy like iverson without hand checking?

[TAZORAC]

The spacing offered by teammates all being able to shoot 3s would give game breaking lanes to rose and Iverson.

Prime Rose played with Keith Bogans, Carlos boozer, and Noah in his starting lineup. 0 spacing. Iverson played with Eric snow, mutumbo, and Aaron mckie.

Eye test Rose and Iverson were like souped up versions of morant... so they'd still be making things happen.

Iverson is defiantely NOT souped up version of Morant. Rose is similiar, stronger and quicker then Morant, but Morants top speed is equal to Rose and he shoots better. Prime Westbrook was a bigger stronger version of Iverson.


It’s hard to even imagine AI with 4 shooters, hands off rules, and freedom of movement off the ball. People maybe 70% his speed are impossible to keep in front of you. He’d be taking more free throws than Harden was without needing to fall on every 3 pointer to do it.

Its shitloads of people in the NBA quicker then Iverson. Westbrook even now is quicker then Prime Iverson


how can you stop a guy like iverson without hand checking?

Because Iverson cant shoot that good.

[And1AllDay]

It’s hard to even imagine AI with 4 shooters, hands off rules, and freedom of movement off the ball. People maybe 70% his speed are impossible to keep in front of you. He’d be taking more free throws than Harden was without needing to fall on every 3 pointer to do it.

on 33% fg :oldlol:

[90sgoat]

Iverson could shoot, in fact got most his points in the midrange.

[HoopsNY]

Why not? Rose between 2019-23 is shooting nearly 36% from three point range. Players evolve and if the style of play emphasizes more threes, then guys like Rose would adapt. If Rose himself has adapted (at the age of 30-34), with all of the injuries and minus the athleticism, then why would't he do it at the age of 25 during his peak? If anything, he'd probably shoot closer to 40%.

[DMAVS41]

on 33% fg :oldlol:

Meh, once the rules changed he was a 54.6% TS player and he wasn't even at his peak by then.

Iverson was so much better than you guys give him credit for. I've said it before, but he accomplished as much as Durant has in his career, outside Durant's Warriors years...he was really really really freaking good.

[GimmeThat]

DPOY plus top-10 in scoring is borderline MVP.

shooting is when you clock the tempo, it doesn't control the tempo.

you run out of air.

[warriorfan]

Meh, once the rules changed he was a 54.6% TS player and he wasn't even at his peak by then.

Iverson was so much better than you guys give him credit for. I've said it before, but he accomplished as much as Durant has in his career, outside Durant's Warriors years...he was really really really freaking good.

was about to post this. old AI was scoring efficiently as soon as they changed defensive rules on hand checking. prime AI in todays freedom of movement and space and pace game he would have over 60% TS. would be shooting more 3’s of course too. He was a good shooter he could get it up to 35% at least. Possibly a little higher.

[TAZORAC]

Why not? Rose between 2019-23 is shooting nearly 36% from three point range. Players evolve and if the style of play emphasizes more threes, then guys like Rose would adapt. If Rose himself has adapted (at the age of 30-34), with all of the injuries and minus the athleticism, then why would't he do it at the age of 25 during his peak? If anything, he'd probably shoot closer to 40%.

Due to Rose lack of athleticism, he had to develop a 3 point shot, which he wouldn't have done pre-injury

[TAZORAC]

was about to post this. old AI was scoring efficiently as soon as they changed defensive rules on hand checking. prime AI in todays freedom of movement and space and pace game he would have over 60% TS. would be shooting more 3’s of course too. He was a good shooter he could get it up to 35% at least. Possibly a little higher.

Iverson was not a good 3 point shooter, he had a nice midrange shot though.

[90sgoat]

Iverson was not a good 3 point shooter, he had a nice midrange shot though.

Until the season they abolished def 3 seconds (2005?) he got most his points of the midrange. He had the Kobe syndrome though. Would start out great, picking good spots, then start taking increasingly bad shots. AI's stats are very misleading in many ways.

[Xiao Yao You]

how can you stop a guy like iverson without hand checking?

let him take bad shots against multiple defenders the same as it was in his day. Basketball IQ is still important in every era as Westbrook has shown

[Real Men Wear Green]

Russell Westbrook didn't win an MVP all that long ago.

[PeroAntic]

Iverson's shot selection is always going to be an issue. DRose was smarter and faster (there is probably no one as fast in the history of the league as prime DRose). Also if you can get between 30 and 35 percent 3pt shooting its not that you can't shoot. This is Doncic's percentage for example.

[ArbitraryWater]

Until the season they abolished def 3 seconds (2005?) he got most his points of the midrange. He had the Kobe syndrome though. Would start out great, picking good spots, then start taking increasingly bad shots. AI's stats are very misleading in many ways.

in what ways?

[TAZORAC]

I love how nobody answered the topic question

[HylianNightmare]

Iverson winning mvp for sure

[3ba11]

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Iverson

2-point percentage in the 6 years before rule changes........ 43.2
2-point percentage in the 6 years after rule changes.......... 46.5

3-point percentage in 6 years before rule changes............. 30.2
3-point percentage in 6 years after rule changes............... 32.2


So it's pretty clear-cut that the hands-off rules helped Iverson's efficiency and obviously the current format of super-spacing would help his efficiency even more.., Iverson was actually an exceptional 2-point shooter without practice and would surely be viable from 3 with practice

[Xiao Yao You]

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Iverson

2-point percentage in the 6 years before rule changes........ 43.2
2-point percentage in the 6 years after rule changes.......... 46.5

3-point percentage in 6 years before rule changes............. 30.2
3-point percentage in 6 years after rule changes............... 32.2


So it's pretty clear-cut that the hands-off rules helped Iverson's efficiency and obviously the current format of super-spacing would help his efficiency even more.., Iverson was actually an exceptional 2-point shooter without practice and would surely be viable from 3 with practice

his IQ doesn't go up and he'd still be taking prayers with wide open teammates standing around watching

[Kblaze8855]

his IQ doesn't go up and he'd still be taking prayers with wide open teammates standing around watching

AI loved passing to people who could play. Or even people who used to be able to play. You actually pull up a 76ers game from those times. He passes it to Eric snow, Lynch, Hill, or whoever who passes it right back. He was playing with subservient people who had few ball skills.

His haters have been talking up Aaron McKie for 20 years as if they can remember anything he did in his 13 year career that wasn’t with Iverson. The good players who played with him got the ball all the time. Post injury washed up Chris Webber was taking more shots next Allen Iverson than prime Dwyane Wade was the same season they won the title. Kyle Korver got more shots both per game and per minute, playing with Allen Iverson than he did when he was an all-star on the hawks. Korver has said over and over Iverson was his biggest supporter because he loved people who could shoot. He would get him the ball over and over and tell him not to hesitate.

Hell washed up Glenn Robinson for the 45 minutes he was there got the ball all day from AI who just backed off and spaced the floor for him



https://youtu.be/k3aN1uOTxak?si=3vhesS-va3rC4aIv


Carmelo Anthony got his career high shot attempts per game playing with Allen Iverson. Largely washed Derrick Coleman was getting the same shots next to Iverson he got his first couple years when he was supposed to be the future of the league on the nets. Jerry Stackhouse went from 20 a game with Iverson to getting less shots on the Pistons than bison Dele. The Pistons didn’t seem to want him taking the shots from their young phenom or their aging vet.

Iverson never hesitated to get competent people the ball. He didn’t get the ball to people who didn’t want the ball or couldn’t do anything with it.

Give him a team full of shooters and scorers in an uptempo league designed for him to prosper he’d love it.

He force fed the few scorers he did play with. He’d have the time of his life in a league that made even mediocre scorers good through spacing and rule changes.