Spolestra winning without super-team proves that Lebron's skillset underachieves

[3ba11]

Needing a Ray Allen miracle to go 2/4 with a goat coach and super-team is an underachievement

So the results continue to validate everything that fans have been saying for years about bron-ball

Lebron's lack of expert jumpshooting skill and abnormal ball-dominance for his size/position (a point guard hole-time and assisted rate) imposes spot-up roles (reduces teammate assists and increases their assisted rate) - this imposition of spot-up roles doesn't develop teammates, fits/chemistry, or strategic capacity/coaching, so the team has maximum talent needs and are perennial underdogs with low team ceilings/Finals records.

[plowking]

LeBron has won 4 championships on all kinds of different teams.

Its 10 years later.

Shut up man. Its just basketball you idiot.

[Hey Yo]

When Denver beats Miami.... Spo will be 2-4 in the Finals.


According to you, that would make him a loser. The exact opposite of a goat coach.

[Gudo]

When Denver beats Miami.... Spo will be 2-4 in the Finals.


According to you, that would make him a loser. The exact opposite of a goat coach.

Losing 2 finals with the stacked Heatles makes him a loser. Getting to the finals with the Butler line ups is not the same thing. The bubble I don't even take seriously.

[PeroAntic]

LeBron has won 4 championships on all kinds of different teams.

Its 10 years later.

Shut up man. Its just basketball you idiot.

:applause:

how much of a loser do you have to be to watch this awesome Heat run and then think about what its implications are for Lebron. just insane

[Hey Yo]

Losing 2 finals with the stacked Heatles makes him a loser. Getting to the finals with the Butler line ups is not the same thing. The bubble I don't even take seriously.

OP doesn't care about context. If Miami loses, Spoelstra will be 2-4 in the Finals. No way to dance out around that.

[ImKobe]

When Denver beats Miami.... Spo will be 2-4 in the Finals.


According to you, that would make him a loser. The exact opposite of a goat coach.

When? Nothing's set in stone here buddy. Miami has already beat more talented teams in Milwaukee (once Giannis returned) & Boston. You can keep betting against them but I wouldn't count them out by any means. If the Heat keep making 3s like they have all Playoffs and Butler gives them 25-30 a game on good efficiency they're going to make it a tough series. Herro is likely back in the Finals as well so I expect to see him play some minutes off the bench because I doubt Spo just inserts him into the starting lineup when he hasn't been apart of this run.

[Wally450]

Meltdown.

[Overdrive]

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how much of a loser do you have to be to watch this awesome Heat run and then think about what its implications are for Lebron. just insane

Sometimes your posts are really reasonable and on point other times they are about Derrick Rose.

[PeroAntic]

Sometimes your posts are really reasonable and on point other times they are about Derrick Rose.

The obvious answer to that is that they are just as reasonable about Derrick Rose, but you can't see it. :lol

[Phoenix]

:applause:

how much of a loser do you have to be to watch this awesome Heat run and then think about what its implications are for Lebron. just insane

You could have Jada Stevens sit on his head and he'd be thinking about Lebron and expert jumpshooters.

[3ba11]

LeBron has won 4 championships on all kinds of different teams.

Its 10 years later.

Shut up man. Its just basketball you idiot.


If Jordan went 2/4 with a goat coach, this wouldn't be goat or anywhere near

Fortunately, Jordan went 6/6 with Pippen and Phil, while Lebron went 2/4 with Wade, Bosh and Spo - this proved that Lebron was nowhere near Jordan.

History shows that Lebron only went 1/4 with AD and 1/4 with Love, or 1/4 with Wade except the Allen miracle, so 2 decades of longevity confirms that he isn't capable of having a dynasty, 3-peat or 6 chips with any lineup, aka objectively inferior to MJ.

[1987_Lakers]

Jordan went 1-9

[3ba11]

This thread aged well and could continue aging even better






LeBron has won 4 championships on all kinds of different teams.





Exactly - we know that regardless of lineup or situation, he isn't capable of a 3-peat, dynasty or 6 chips, aka objectively inferior to MJ

Lebron is 1/4 with AD, or 1/4 with Love, or 1/4 with Wade except the Allen miracle, so 20 years confirms that he goes about 1/4 regardless of lineup, aka objectively inferior to Jordan's 6/6 with no game 7's and no 3-game losing streak from 91-98' (687 games)

[tpols]

Jordan went 1-9

That's a weak response.

[tpols]

Spo and Riley are an unbelievable combo. This does highlight how bad the cHeat underperformed expectations.

They had everything. Two MVP talents. An All NBA 3rd option. Bunch of snipers and hustlers and GOAT coaching. And yet... they still had a losing Finals record. That's pathetic.

[ShawkFactory]

It absolutely doesn't prove that, as Spo at the time was untested as a coach. Certainly when it comes to the situation he was put in in 2011.

They ultimately underachieved, I think that's fair to say. But there are several reasons for it. The 1 + 1 = 2 doesn't work here. Basketball isn't simple arithmetic.

[3ba11]

They ultimately underachieved, I think that's fair to say. But there are several reasons for it. The 1 + 1 = 2 doesn't work here. Basketball isn't simple arithmetic.


Bad fits aren't an excuse for losing because bad fits = skill deficit

Westbrook/Lebron or Wade/Lebron would be a great fits if Lebron had feathery touch and expert jumpshooting skill/off-ball ability.. If he could get that same PER but a little more off-ball and jumpshot-oriented, the Heat would've been a juggernaut and unbeatable team - literally 76-6 type shit for a Big 3 super-team since 2-star teams won 70 (MJ/Pip or Curry/Klay)

[ShawkFactory]

Bad fits aren't an excuse for losing because bad fits = skill deficit

Westbrook/Lebron or Wade/Lebron would be a great fits if Lebron had feathery touch and expert jumpshooting skill/off-ball ability.. If he could get that same PER but a little more off-ball and jumpshot-oriented, the Heat would've been a juggernaut and unbeatable team - literally 76-6 type shit for a Big 3 super-team since 2-star teams won 70 (MJ/Pip or Curry/Klay)

No it doesn't. Bad fits are bad fits.

Is Mitch Richmond maximizing alongside Jordan? Or Gilbert Arenas? Or any high volume scorer? Probably not...

Fits are considered when teams are building. Secondary players are determined based on the skillset of the #1. The ultimate #2 player for Lebron would be someone who can shoot and finish. Jordan, excelling at both of those, would benefit more from someone who can handle the ball and initiate offense. Lebron, excelling at that, works better with another type of player. It's not really that deep.

Jordan was better than Lebron, so don't be all weird. If you can.

[3ba11]

No it doesn't. Bad fits are bad fits.

Is Mitch Richmond maximizing alongside Jordan? Or Gilbert Arenas? Or any high volume scorer? Probably not...

Fits are considered when teams are building. Secondary players are determined based on the skillset of the #1. The ultimate #2 player for Lebron would be someone who can shoot and finish. Jordan, excelling at both of those, would benefit more from someone who can handle the ball and initiate offense. Lebron, excelling at that, works better with another type of player. It's not really that deep.

Jordan was better than Lebron, so don't be all weird. If you can.


Expert jumpshooters fit with anyone like Klay, Curry, Jordan, Kobe, Kawhi, Dirk, Bird - you pretty much never heard of "bad fits" with these guys and these guys have great records of teammate development or chemistry, whereas "bad fits" are the story of Lebron's career every single year and he never developed any young players into meaningful contributors.

It's because Lebron's lacks expert jumpshooting skill and relies on abnormal ball-dominance for his size/position, which imposes spot-up roles.. The imposition of spot-up roles yields weak teammate development, fits or strategic capacity/coaching and therefore needs more help and can't win organically.

[Charlie Sheen]

The heat were never going to win 70. The only season they had Lebron/Wade/Bosh were healthy for the entire season was their first year. After that, Wade was missing 10-15 games a season. The big3 Celtics are the outlier winning 66 games in their first year together. That just doesn't happen with any regularity.

[3ba11]

The heat were never going to win 70. The only season they had Lebron/Wade/Bosh were healthy for the entire season was their first year. After that, Wade was missing 10-15 games a season. The big3 Celtics are the outlier winning 66 games in their first year together. That just doesn't happen with any regularity.


Lebron had 2 franchise players to play 2nd and 3rd option, while Curry/MJ won 70 with supplementary players like Klay or Pippen and no 3rd option

So Lebron simply underachieved with Spo, while an expert jumpshooter with great fits like Curry, MJ or KD would easily 3-peat with Wade/Bosh/Allen/Spolestra.. That's insanely stacked and they would never lose

[bison]

Mad respect to Spo, the only coach LeCoachKiller couldn’t take down.