Is the longevity hoax over?

[Dagoods]

Longevity, longevity, all these pieces of trash aka Bronsexuals have been selling longevity for the longest.

Uhmmmm....when was the last time he won the MVP Award? Oh yeah way back in 2013. That's over a decade ago. So let's do the math here. He's never won the award in his 30's...so much for sustaining excellence for so long.


When was the last time he made all-nba 1st defensive team? You've guessed it...way back in 2013.
So much for LeSwept being a better defender than MJ.

MJ at age 35 won the MVP of the league and made All-NBA 1st Defensive Team. MJ won 2 MVPs in his 30s and so forth.


longevity? 4 rings in 20 years!!! That's not even a good batting-average!
There's only one GOAT:

6-0-A-T
Michael "Air" Jordan

Get phucked, haters!

[90sgoat]

Agreed

[3ba11]

Longevity, longevity, all these pieces of trash aka Bronsexuals have been selling longevity for the longest.

Uhmmmm....when was the last time he won the MVP Award? Oh yeah way back in 2013. That's over a decade ago. So let's do the math here. He's never won the award in his 30's...so much for sustaining excellence for so long.


When was the last time he made all-nba 1st defensive team? You've guessed it...way back in 2013.
So much for LeSwept being a better defender than MJ.

MJ at age 35 won the MVP of the league and made All-NBA 1st Defensive Team. MJ won 2 MVPs in his 30s and so forth.


longevity? 4 rings in 20 years!!! That's not even a good batting-average!
There's only one GOAT:

6-0-A-T
Michael "Air" Jordan

Get phucked, haters!


Great points.. Lebron wasn't required to be a good defender or MVP for half his chips (no all-defense or MVP in his 30's), while MJ was all-defense for every chip and MVP for 4 of them...

MJ also passed more than Lebron for the first half of their chips, aka he led Lebron in playoff APG for the first 9 years of their respective playoff careers (85-93' vs 06-14') until Curry's spacing era made offense easier for everyone starting in 2015.

[Dagoods]

Great points.. Lebron wasn't required to be a good defender or MVP for half his chips (no all-defense or MVP in his 30's), while MJ was all-defense for every chip and MVP for 4 of them...

MJ also passed more than Lebron for the first half of their chips, aka he led Lebron in playoff APG for the first 9 years of their respective playoff careers (85-93' vs 06-14') until Curry's spacing era made offense easier for everyone starting in 2015.

:cheers::cheers::cheers:

[Dagoods]

Was his performance last night impressive? Yes, but it was also spurious.
You have to understand that in the 90s most teams played with 2 Bigs (there wasn't much spacing) and most who drove to the lane ended with their backs on the floor.

LeBron would have not been able to stick around for this long if the rules had not changed. His game relies on speed and strength and he's not a good shooter, never was-never will be. He would have been forced to become a PF (picture Magic Johnson in 97) towards the end of his career.

He's a heck of a player, quite possibly the second greatest of all-time...but he's nowhere near JORDAN!

[theman93]

The longevity argument is such a double standard anyways.

Lebron plays good - "The best to ever do it! Look what he's doing at 38!"

Lebron plays bad - "eh he's old this is expected from him"

You can't have it both ways. If he garnishes praise then he also deserves criticism since that is the longevity standard. Otherwise, what value does longevity even carry?

[Hey Yo]

3goofball talking to his alt again.


:roll:

[3ba11]

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Was his performance last night impressive? Yes, but it was also spurious.
You have to understand that in the 90s most teams played with 2 Bigs (there wasn't much spacing) and most who drove to the lane ended with their backs on the floor.

LeBron would have not been able to stick around for this long if the rules had not changed. His game relies on speed and strength and he's not a good shooter, never was-never will be. He would have been forced to become a PF (picture Magic Johnson in 97) towards the end of his career.

He's a heck of a player, quite possibly the second greatest of all-time...but he's nowhere near JORDAN!


Spurious indeed and just to piggyback your points - Lebron won 45 games with 2nd Round loss in 2008 until he got all-star spacing in 2009 - Mo taught everyone that Lebron's game needs great spacing be effective and this is precisely what previous eras lacked.. The paint area looked like a crowded nightclub in previous eras, so Lebron would be forced to shoot over defense with deft mid-range touch like every other great scorer of that time period - again, this is precisely what Lebron lacks..

So the combination of 3 factors - lack of spacing for his drives and his inability to shoot over defenses (lack of expert jumpshooting skill) and also the physicality (shown above) - these 3 factors would turn Lebron into a lower-scoring, passive facilitator in previous eras like Kidd or Magic.

[And1AllDay]

8,023

bye

[HoopologyPhD]

I am the 2nd person in this thread

[Soundwave]

There's no real shame in being 2nd to Jordan, there just aren't a lot of holes in Jordan's resume and in terms of crunch time play and intangibles like competiveness, Jordan was damn near psychotic, and it's just in a way unreasonable to expect that from another player. The ability to get a good look in the mid-range in crunch situations I think separates Jordan from LeBron, in those situations LeBron usually is going to pass off and rely on a teammate to get it done, whereas Jordan could create for himself.

[Airupthere]

The longevity argument is such a double standard anyways.

Lebron plays good - "The best to ever do it! Look what he's doing at 38!"

Lebron plays bad - "eh he's old this is expected from him"

You can't have it both ways. If he garnishes praise then he also deserves criticism since that is the longevity standard. Otherwise, what value does longevity even carry?

This is exactly how the bransexuals have been playing it

[RogueBorg]

Lebron has now played 16 seasons not winning a championship. Longevity works against him too.

[Dagoods]

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Spurious indeed and just to piggyback your points - Lebron won 45 games with 2nd Round loss in 2008 until he got all-star spacing in 2009 - Mo taught everyone that Lebron's game needs great spacing be effective and this is precisely what previous eras lacked.. The paint area looked like a crowded nightclub in previous eras, so Lebron would be forced to shoot over defense with deft mid-range touch like every other great scorer of that time period - again, this is precisely what Lebron lacks..

So the combination of 3 factors - lack of spacing for his drives and his inability to shoot over defenses (lack of expert jumpshooting skill) and also the physicality (shown above) - these 3 factors would turn Lebron into a lower-scoring, passive facilitator in previous eras like Kidd or Magic.

Absolutely correct, great points!

[Naero]

The longevity argument is such a double standard anyways.

Lebron plays good - "The best to ever do it! Look what he's doing at 38!"

Lebron plays bad - "eh he's old this is expected from him"

You can't have it both ways. If he garnishes praise then he also deserves criticism since that is the longevity standard. Otherwise, what value does longevity even carry?

Why not? How are they mutually exclusive?

When he plays well, it's despite his old age, not because of it. Whenever he underperforms, however, it can only be because of it. Not sure why he can't get credit for overcoming it at times without being faulted for the other times that he doesn't.

[Airupthere]

Lebron has now played 16 seasons not winning a championship. Longevity works against him too.

They like counting bronze awards for failed superteams. Maybe to them that holds a lot of value to fill in the gaps. LOL

[red1]

lakers got swept and outclassed but the talent gap really wasnt that big. they just needed to tweak their roster and not overhaul it. AD is still that dude and reaves and rui are great. lebron is old but he's still top10 in the league.


the difference was dlo. I dont blame him it was the first year on a new team. if they got anything out of his minutes it would have made the difference.


they dont need kyrie - they need a better fit at PG. with austin handling the ball they just need who can EITHER defend OR score at that position. dlo was a liability at both.


you live and you learn. HUGE improvement from the start of the season.

[FKAri]

If this was baseball LeBron would be a comfortable GOAT but in basketball peak play matters(due to the difference in each sport's volatility). Longevity helps LeBron in climbing to the #2 spot but not beyond that.

[sdot_thadon]

What kinda shit has Lebron done to you all lmao. I've never seen this many nonsensical threads at once here.

[BarberSchool]

What kinda shit has Lebron done to you all lmao. I've never seen this many nonsensical threads at once here.Ask yourself if any of his detractors are either Sunni Muslims or descendants/progeny of those who were enslaved.

Since LeBron clearly was never willing to stand up against the CCP, while Nike and him used literal Muslim Uighur Slave labor in China to manufacture his kicks.

Longtime corrupt Zionist Oregon Senator Ron Wyden’s leaked emails show that He, Nike execs, and LeBron, they all knew 100% it was literally anti-Islam slave genocide camps used for their labor, and LeBron, as a descendant of the predominantly Sunni Muslim Yoruba tribe (as almost all transatlantic slaves were), knowingly looked the other way and knowingly lied to the people of God’s green earth, and attacked Darryl Morey and others for speaking the truth, about the evils of the CCP, and literal modern day slavery.

[Baller789]

Why not? How are they mutually exclusive?

When he plays well, it's despite his old age, not because of it. Whenever he underperforms, however, it can only be because of it. Not sure why he can't get credit for overcoming it at times without being faulted for the other times that he doesn't.

So does this logic apply to every other NBA player?

[Jasper]

in the history of the game it is a young mans game.
IMO Lebron could play like Hondo did as a spot up shooter for at least 2-3 more years.. its about his head..

[Full Court]

Jordan was a more impactful player at 38 than Lebron is, so Jordan actually has better longevity.

Also won six titles to Bronie's 4 - so better longevity there too.

And was the league's top scorer for 10 years. Lebron only sustained that for one single year.

So Jordan wins the longevity contest hands down.

[basketballcat]

The GOAT has 11 rings in 13 seasons.

[SATAN]

What kinda shit has Lebron done to you all lmao. I've never seen this many nonsensical threads at once here.

The weirdest part is they seem to think they are getting under people's skin but it's clearly them that are agitated about LeBron dropping 40/10/9 while playing magnificent defense and breaking yet another all time record.

It's very sad.

[SATAN]

Ask yourself if any of his detractors are either Sunni Muslims or descendants/progeny of those who were enslaved.

Since LeBron clearly was never willing to stand up against the CCP, while Nike and him used literal Muslim Uighur Slave labor in China to manufacture his kicks.

Longtime corrupt Zionist Oregon Senator Ron Wyden’s leaked emails show that He, Nike execs, and LeBron, they all knew 100% it was literally anti-Islam slave genocide camps used for their labor, and LeBron, as a descendant of the predominantly Sunni Muslim Yoruba tribe (as almost all transatlantic slaves were), knowingly looked the other way and knowingly lied to the people of God’s green earth, and attacked Darryl Morey and others for speaking the truth, about the evils of the CCP, and literal modern day slavery.

This is an amazing post.

[ELITEpower23]

Eight Thousand Twenty Three

[Axe]

The weirdest part is they seem to think they are getting under people's skin but it's clearly them that are agitated about LeBron dropping 40/10/9 while playing magnificent defense and breaking yet another all time record.

It's very sad.
After all, they are the same ignorant fools who are totally incapable of overlooking him. I mean they often bring his name up in threads that have nothing to do with him at all. :oldlol:

[Full Court]

Lol at all the triggered Bronie fluffers.

This is such a glorious week on ISH. :roll: