Magic average > 20ppg only 4x

[basketballcat]

Yet he is universally acknowledged as a top 10 player, maybe top 5.

So why does Pippen get flak over his scoring? He averaged > 20 ppg 4x too. He's probably all time top 10 in defense too. He's legit top 20 to 30 all time. Why all the spin to try to diminish his career? :violin:

[ImKobe]

Was Pippen the greatest passer in NBA history? Was he an efficient scorer like Magic? Did he take over Playoff games where he dropped 30-40+ points? Did he ever lead the Bulls in scoring in any series with MJ on it?

Magic had 20+ ppg 60+%TS scoring seasons.. Pippen peaked at 56% and he did it once. Magic peaked at 23.9 ppg on 60%TS while also leading the league in assists. Pippen is not in his class.

[basketballcat]

Was Pippen the greatest passer in NBA history? Was he an efficient scorer like Magic? Did he take over Playoff games where he dropped 30-40+ points? Did he ever lead the Bulls in scoring in any series with MJ on it?

Magic had 20+ ppg 60+%TS scoring seasons.. Pippen peaked at 56% and he did it once. Magic peaked at 23.9 ppg on 60%TS while also leading the league in assists. Pippen is not in his class.

Your response is just dumb. It's a clear strawman argument. CLEARLY, I am not saying that Pippen is on the same tier as Magic. I said Magic is top 5-10. Pippen is top 20-30.

What I'm saying is that Pippen's scoring should not be used to dismiss him as just another sidekick. He is not a nobody.

Sure, Magic is OBVIOUSLY the far superior passer. But Pippen is also OBVIOUSLY the far superior defender. AGAIN, this is not a Magic vs Pippen comparison. It's a comparison of the logic by which all time players are assessed. If you do not dismiss Magic out of the top 10 because of his scoring, then by the same token, you should not use the same argument to dismiss Pippen's place in the top 30.

[ImKobe]

Your response is just dumb. It's a clear strawman argument. CLEARLY, I am not saying that Pippen is on the same tier as Magic. I said Magic is top 5-10. Pippen is top 20-30.

What I'm saying is that Pippen's scoring should not be used to dismiss him as just another sidekick. He is not a nobody.

Sure, Magic is OBVIOUSLY the far superior passer. But Pippen is also OBVIOUSLY the far superior defender. AGAIN, this is not a Magic vs Pippen comparison. It's a comparison of the logic by which all time players are assessed. If you do not dismiss Magic out of the top 10 because of his scoring, then by the same token, you should not use the same argument to dismiss Pippen's place in the top 30.

Then why ****ing compare the two?

Magic is top 5 because he led teams to championships and is the greatest at his position. Pippen never did that. GTFO.

[ImKobe]

And I don't need to dismiss anything about Magic because he could be a #1 option scorer as I highlighted. His rookie title run alone shits on anything Pippen ever did.

Pippen is not a top 20 player jfc.. Are we putting Robert Horry in there too because he played great defense and won 7 rings?

[GimmeThat]

because Jerry Buss was busy having a daughter that's a dirt cheap prostitute, oddly enough, ended up with no one wanting her. and the rest of the world has to endure the travesty of the Buss family not owning up to their own fault until being pressed upon.

[basketballcat]

Then why ****ing compare the two?
I didn't know that it is possible to be this dumb. Seriously. Go read my response. Carefully.

[ImKobe]

I didn't know that it is possible to be this dumb. Seriously. Go read my response. Carefully.

Again, why are you bringing up Magic Johnson here?

I already gave you all the answers so go **** yourself.

[basketballcat]

Again, why are you bringing up Magic Johnson here?

I already gave you all the answers so go **** yourself.

Sometimes, I have to repeat myself for the slow ones. :biggums:

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CLEARLY, I am not saying that Pippen is on the same tier as Magic.

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AGAIN, this is not a Magic vs Pippen comparison. It's a comparison of the logic by which all time players are assessed. If you do not dismiss Magic out of the top 10 because of his scoring, then by the same token, you should not use the same argument to dismiss Pippen's place in the top 30."

[ImKobe]

Sometimes, I have to repeat myself for the slow ones. :biggums:

"...

CLEARLY, I am not saying that Pippen is on the same tier as Magic.

...

AGAIN, this is not a Magic vs Pippen comparison. It's a comparison of the logic by which all time players are assessed. If you do not dismiss Magic out of the top 10 because of his scoring, then by the same token, you should not use the same argument to dismiss Pippen's place in the top 30."

AGAIN, READ MY ****ING POSTS

Magic was an ultra-efficient scorer. He peaked much higher as a scorer than Pippen. He had monster 30-40 pt Playoff games where he carried the team's scoring load when Kareem was either injured or didn't have it.

When they won in '87 Magic averaged 26/8/13 on 59%TS in the Finals
The following year in '88 he averaged 21/6/13 on 68%TS (!!) in the Finals for the B2B title

This is so ****ing stupid.

You don't disrespect the greatest PG to ever play the game because Pippen sucked at scoring the basketball. Magic was not an inefficient #2 who barely averaged 20 ppg on mediocre efficiency in his best years so this thread makes 0 ****ing sense.

[basketballcat]

This is so ****ing stupid.
On that, we agree. :kobe: We're done here.

[ImKobe]

On that, we agree. :kobe: We're done here.

Figured. Bran stans will never win in this game, it's about time you realized that.

[iamgine]

Bill Russell never average > 20ppg

[basketballcat]

Bill Russell never average > 20ppg

And yet he is the GOAT. :basketball

[StrongLurk]

Pippen was a really good player and elite for his era...but the 90's era is the weakest of the 3-point era. He was consistently a top 10 player in that era, but idk if he is top ten in any other decade.

Magic would still be great regardless because his passing/BBIQ was transcendent.

[JohnMax]

Magic career average for regular season is 19 ppg. His career average for playoffs is also 19 ppg.

This is why I have no problem with putting Lebron top 2. He helps eliminate these mediocre scorers like Magic and Bill Russell out of top 10.

[Hey Yo]

AGAIN, READ MY ****ING POSTS

Magic was an ultra-efficient scorer. He peaked much higher as a scorer than Pippen. He had monster 30-40 pt Playoff games where he carried the team's scoring load when Kareem was either injured or didn't have it.

When they won in '87 Magic averaged 26/8/13 on 59%TS in the Finals
The following year in '88 he averaged 21/6/13 on 68%TS (!!) in the Finals for the B2B title

This is so ****ing stupid.

You don't disrespect the greatest PG to ever play the game because Pippen sucked at scoring the basketball. Magic was not an inefficient #2 who barely averaged 20 ppg on mediocre efficiency in his best years so this thread makes 0 ****ing sense.

How many monster 30-40pt postseason games did he have?

[SouBeachTalents]

Pippen was a really good player and elite for his era...but the 90's era is the weakest of the 3-point era. He was consistently a top 10 player in that era, but idk if he is top ten in any other decade.

Magic would still be great regardless because his passing/BBIQ was transcendent.
Pippen would still be top 10 in the 2000's, for a good amount of years at least. I don't think the likes of Yao, Melo, Allen, Pierce or even Kidd were definitively better than Pippen. Hell, I'm sure even Ben Wallace was in top 10 consideration for several seasons in that decade.

Where he'd rank today would make for an interesting discussion, the top 10 is as competitive as it's ever been.

[tpols]

Your response is just dumb. It's a clear strawman argument. CLEARLY, I am not saying that Pippen is on the same tier as Magic. I said Magic is top 5-10. Pippen is top 20-30.

What I'm saying is that Pippen's scoring should not be used to dismiss him as just another sidekick. He is not a nobody.

Sure, Magic is OBVIOUSLY the far superior passer. But Pippen is also OBVIOUSLY the far superior defender. AGAIN, this is not a Magic vs Pippen comparison. It's a comparison of the logic by which all time players are assessed. If you do not dismiss Magic out of the top 10 because of his scoring, then by the same token, you should not use the same argument to dismiss Pippen's place in the top 30.

Pippen is nowhere near top 20 best players ever. :facepalm

You guys are the reason 3ball exists. Trying to recorrect mainstream narratives.

Magic was a GOAT teammate elevator and he produced extremely efficiently as a scorer himself. He understood that elevating teammates is what will allow a team to reach its highest ceiling and that's why he focused on it. He is a winner and very high IQ. Pippen? The only reason he "facilitated" so much is because his jumper was broke and so was his scoring acumen. He was a transition dunker type. In the half court it was hot potato. Magic was a genius offensively.