I'll never understand the narrative, Lebron doesn't have HELP!

[Walk on Water]

Help! I need somebody help! Not just anybody help!

I don't get it. Jordan had Pippen. So what?

Let's take a look at the roster that lost to the Spurs in 5 games.

He was playing with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh. On the bench he had Ray Allen, who was still a good role player. Shane Battier was a fantastic all around role player. They had Chris Anderson, who was a tough player that provided a lot of energy. Other solid role players such as Michael Beasily and Udonis Haslem. Mario Chalmers wasn't bad.

And then they had Lebron James himself. I thought he makes everyone BETTER..

They only won a single game that series.

I just never understood how much help he needs exactly. People that hardly watch basketball somehow assume Lebron never has any help. It's a narrative that people went with.


But somehow people bring up Pippen.

[Nb1]

Help! I need somebody help! Not just anybody help!

I don't get it. Jordan had Pippen. So what?

Let's take a look at the roster that lost to the Spurs in 5 games.

He was playing with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh. On the bench he had Ray Allen, who was still a good role player. Shane Battier was a fantastic all around role player. They had Chris Anderson, who was a tough player that provided a lot of energy. Other solid role players such as Michael Beasily and Udonis Haslem. Mario Chalmers wasn't bad.

And then they had Lebron James himself. I thought he makes everyone BETTER..

They only won a single game that series.

I just never understood how much help he needs exactly. People that hardly watch basketball somehow assume Lebron never has any help. It's a narrative that people went with.


But somehow people bring up Pippen.

In Miami, sure he had help, but in Cleveland and Lakers? Dude was battling with the most stacked team of all time with Dellavedova, Shumpert,Thompson and no bench or depth at all lol. Kyrie and Love were injured half of the time and they didn’t have 3-4 role players to help at all like most have.

That being said, everyone needs some help to win. Some have alot or help, some almost none. Butler has little help this year.

When Murray was injured the Nuggets were a joke. Now he’s healthy+ they added KCP, Gordon and became a great team. It’s a team sport, not an individual sport! When Klay was injured the Warriors didnt even make the playoffs, you rely on your teammates too in order to win.

Still can’t believe how Bron single handily almost swept the Warriors having Dellavedova as his 2nd option lol. That was even more impressive than the 3-1 comeback!

[Spurs m8]

It's just a way of deflecting blame for his endless failures and failure to actually live up to the hype.

[ImKobe]

It's just a way of deflecting blame for his endless failures and failure to actually live up to the hype.

Pretty much. This Lakers team was stacked and he shot them out of the Playoffs in a sweep.

Now ISH turns into an endless argument about the 90s and the Kobe Playoff losses because they have to protect Bran at all costs.

[Nb1]

Pretty much. This Lakers team was stacked and he shot them out of the Playoffs in a sweep.

Now ISH turns into an endless argument about the 90s and the Kobe Playoff losses because they have to protect Bran at all costs.

How can you say it's a stacked team if half of the roster had never seen a playoff game in their careers and in the other half there's without counting Bron not even 1 player with a positive playoff record or accomplishment lol.

These were Lebron's help playoffs records:
Vand 3-6
D'Lo 3-8
AD 5-9 without Bron
Reeves 0
Lonnie Walker 3-3
Rui 1-4
Schroder 21-31


Please explain to me how you can say a player is great when he joins the team if he was a career loser all the years before? Srly, look at that, there's not 1 guy outside of Bron who you can say elevated any team lol. Just a bunch of rookies and G-leaguers who made the finals for the first time thanks to Bron.

The Warriors bench players have more playoff wins than all of the Lakers roster have playoff games combined (without counting Bron)...

[ImKobe]

How can you say it's a stacked team if half of the roster had never seen a playoff game in their careers and in the other half there's without counting Bron not even 1 player with a positive playoff record or accomplishment lol.

These were Lebron's help playoffs records:
Vand 3-6
D'Lo 3-8
AD 5-9 without Bron
Reeves 0
Lonnie Walker 3-3
Rui 1-4
Schroder 21-31


Please explain to me how you can say a player is great when he joins the team if he was a career loser all the years before? Srly, look at that, there's not 1 guy outside of Bron who you can say elevated any team lol. Just a bunch of rookies and G-leaguers who made the finals for the first time thanks to Bron...

You can take good players from the worst teams in the league who have never been in the POs and create a stacked roster. Your argument is invalid.

[Spurs m8]

You can take good players from the worst teams in the league who have never been in the POs and create a stacked roster. Your argument is invalid.

No Balls 1 is extremely short sighted

[ImKobe]

No Balls 1 is extremely short sighted

Kobe took Gasol (0-12 in the Playoffs, 1x All-Star) and made 3 straight Finals with the guy as his #2.. Like, how do people not think at all before they make these posts lol?

[Nb1]

You can take good players from the worst teams in the league who have never been in the POs and create a stacked roster. Your argument is invalid.

Sorry, if you have a bunch of guys who proved literally nothing in their whole careers its not a stacked team.

How can you say Reeves was great before?
Rui was great?
Vand was great?
DÂ’Lo was great?
Lonnie was great?
Mo Bamba was great?
Beasley was great?

Those guys had little to no impact in their whole careers in the playoffs.

Only AD i agree was a proven great player altough inconsistent and clearly showed he cannot lead a team! But the rest? They had 0 accompmishments before, so not a stacked team at all. Gasol just like AD showed he could be great, but the Lakers had proven guys playing for them. Fisher was still not over the hill and had seen more playoff games than this Lakers whole roster combined. Odom, Artest, it wasn’t a bunch of G-leaguers put tght even if Kobe and Gasol were the 2 best guys.

I have a different definition of stacked. ..

[ImKobe]

Sorry, if you have a bunch of guys who proved literally nothing in their whole careers its not a stacked team.

How can you say Reeves was great before?
Rui was great?
Vand was great?
DÂ’Lo was great?
Lonnie was great?
Mo Bamba was great?
Beasley was great?

Those guys had little to no impact in their whole careers in the playoffs.

Only AD i agree was a proven great player altough inconsistent and clearly showed he cannot lead a team! But the rest? They had 0 accompmishments before, so not a stacked team at all.

The definition of stacked by you is wrong.

So how can you not create a stacked team with guys who haven't done shit in the POs individually when your top 2 players are AD and Lebron?

Dlo, Reaves & Rui were the 3rd-5th options man.. that's a lot of talent right there. 4 guys averaged 15+ ppg for the Playoffs at one point before Dlo cratered. They still ended up with 5 guys averaging 12+ ppg in the Playoffs and that's a lot, considering who the 2 best players are. Schroder was 6th in scoring but was another dependable player who had played in the ECF before and he was incredible defensively and in some of those clutch moments in the first 2 rounds.

Lonnie wasn't even in the damn rotation and basically ended the Warriors series with his 15-point 4th quarter that helped put the Lakers up 3 - 1.

Lakers had so many guys who could shoot and/or handle the ball, which took the offensive load off AD and Lebron in key stretches. People complained about AD's scoring but he didn't need to give them a consistent 28-30 points when Reaves, Rui and/or Dlo would go off in some of these games. Lebron also played off ball quite a bit in these Playoffs thanks to Reaves and Dlo having the ability to handle the ball and run P&R with Davis etc. Rui had huge 20+ pt games in these POs too.

That's a lot of talent.

[Nb1]

Kobe took Gasol (0-12 in the Playoffs, 1x All-Star) and made 3 straight Finals with the guy as his #2.. Like, how do people not think at all before they make these posts lol?

How can you compare both rosters :roll:

Fisher prior to 2010 had 129 playoff wins and had rings before. Odom 50 playoff wins, Artest 26 playoff wins, Bynum 33 wins, etc.

These weren’t Reeves with 0 playoff games or guys that saw 3 minutes of 5 playoff games ad lost.

[ImKobe]

How can you compare both rosters :roll:

Fisher prior to 2010 had 129 playoff wins and had rings before. Odom 50 playoff wins, Artest 26 playoff wins, Bynum 33 wins, etc.

These weren’t Reeves with 0 playoff games or guys that saw 3 minutes of 5 playoff games ad lost.

What kind of crack are you smoking?

We're talking '08 here. You don't pile on the wins after they won with Kobe you dumb ****

[Nb1]

So how can you not create a stacked team with guys who haven't done shit in the POs individually when your top 2 players are AD and Lebron?

Dlo, Reaves & Rui were the 3rd-5th options man.. that's a lot of talent right there. 4 guys averaged 15+ ppg for the Playoffs at one point before Dlo cratered. They still ended up with 5 guys averaging 12+ ppg in the Playoffs and that's a lot, considering who the 2 best players are. Schroder was 6th in scoring but was another dependable player who had played in the ECF before and he was incredible defensively and in some of those clutch moments in the first 2 rounds.

Lonnie wasn't even in the damn rotation and basically ended the Warriors series with his 15-point 4th quarter that helped put the Lakers up 3 - 1.

Lakers had so many guys who could shoot and/or handle the ball, which took the offensive load off AD and Lebron in key stretches. People complained about AD's scoring but he didn't need to give them a consistent 28-30 points when Reaves, Rui and/or Dlo would go off in some of these games. Lebron also played off ball quite a bit in these Playoffs thanks to Reaves and Dlo having the ability to handle the ball and run P&R with Davis etc. Rui had huge 20+ pt games in these POs too.

That's a lot of talent.
How?
Rui started 0 games out of 30 he played for the frking Wizards last season
Reaves barely played last season
Mo Bamba started 1 game for Orlando
Beasley started 13 games for Utah
Lonnie started 6 games for the Spurs
D’Lo was the 4th option on a lottery team

Seriously, look at those guys prior to joining the Lakers and where they played and tell me you’re serious about the team being stacked? I get that you can be a great player in a shitty team and have a bad playoff record bc of that, but these guys were mostly on the bench of the worst teams on the NBA and NO ONE considered them great before…

[Nb1]

What kind of crack are you smoking?

We're talking '08 here. You don't pile on the wins after they won with Kobe you dumb ****

Fisher had rings in 2000, 2001 and 2002 and 100 wins before…

Now look at the Lakers roster this year…

[ImKobe]

How?
Rui started 0 games out of 30 he played for the frking Wizards last season
Reaves barely played last season
Mo Bamba started 1 game for Orlando
Beasley started 13 games for Utah
Lonnie started 6 games for the Spurs
D’Lo was the 4th option on a lottery team

Seriously, look at those guys prior to joining the Lakers and where they played and tell me you’re serious about the team being stacked? I get that you can be a great player in a shitty team and have a bad playoff record bc of that, but these guys were mostly on the bench of the worst teams on the NBA and NO ONE considered them great before…


You take good players from bad teams on a bargain and you have a stacked team as a result.

By your logic, the Lakers would have been better off keeping Westbrook since he has so much Playoff experience. Heck, they should have signed Carmelo too since he has all that Playoff experience, right?

How did the Lakers miss the Playoffs last year with 6 HOFers on their team? That's a lot of experience. How does a team that STACKED with experience fail to even make the Play In?

[Axe]

I'm afraid to say that op is also suffering from asperger syndrome.

[Nb1]

You take good players from bad teams on a bargain and you have a stacked team as a result.

By your logic, the Lakers would have been better off keeping Westbrook since he has so much Playoff experience. Heck, they should have signed Carmelo too since he has all that Playoff experience, right?

How did the Lakers miss the Playoffs last year with 6 HOFers on their team? That's a lot of experience. How does a team that STACKED with experience fail to even make the Play In?

Look at those « HoF » they weren’t even in the league the next season anymore. It’s not like they weren’t over the hill and the problem was that AD and Bron were injured half of the time. I’m not saying that if you pick Jordan now you should win bc in the past he was great. You can actually make more an argument of the Lakers being more stacked with WB than now. They just didnt fit at all and ofc this team played better, but its far from stacked.

Look at the guys the Lakers got, bench players from lottery teams and how can you tell me they were great on those teams if they didnt even start the games?

[ImKobe]

Look at those « HoF » they weren’t even in the league the next season anymore. It’s not like they weren’t over the hill and the problem was that AD and Bron were injured half of the time. I’m not saying that if you pick Jordan now you should win bc in the past he was great. You can actually make more an argument of the Lakers being more stacked with WB than now. They just didnt fit at all and ofc this team played better, but its far from stacked.

Look at the guys the Lakers got, bench players from lottery teams and how can you tell me they were great on those teams if they didnt even start the games?

That's what stacked teams do. You don't build a stacked team by just signing or trading for 5 established players. You pry the good talents from the hands of bad teams who have no real use for them and add them on top of your 2 superstars.

[Nb1]

That's what stacked teams do. You don't build a stacked team by just signing or trading for 5 established players. You pry the good talents from the hands of bad teams who have no real use for them and add them on top of your 2 superstars.

What do you mean by good talents?

If you get a bench player from the Wizards that didn’t even start 1 single game and is in the league for 4 yrs and no one ever said 1 word abour him, is he considered a great player?

If you get bench players from the Spurs, Wizards and Magic that also are already yrs in the league but no one ever talked about them, are they considered great players?

If the Lakers got Edwards from Minny, Porzingis/Beal from Washington, etc fine i’m with you, it would be a stacked team with those kind of players playing for shitty teams. But they got guys that weren’t even good enough to start on the worst teams in the league. No matter how good or bad they played for the Lakers you can’t say its a stacked team.

If you say that then it means every single team is stacked, even the Pistons, Spurs, bc they have guys that were starting over the bench players that the Lakers acquired and if you consider the Lakers stacked, they’re even more. Which is ofc stupid to say.

Do you consider Miami stacked?

[lxlHoTsAuSelxl]

Sorry, if you have a bunch of guys who proved literally nothing in their whole careers its not a stacked team.

How can you say Reeves was great before?
Rui was great?
Vand was great?
DÂ’Lo was great?
Lonnie was great?
Mo Bamba was great?
Beasley was great?

Those guys had little to no impact in their whole careers in the playoffs.

Only AD i agree was a proven great player altough inconsistent and clearly showed he cannot lead a team! But the rest? They had 0 accompmishments before, so not a stacked team at all. Gasol just like AD showed he could be great, but the Lakers had proven guys playing for them. Fisher was still not over the hill and had seen more playoff games than this Lakers whole roster combined. Odom, Artest, it wasn’t a bunch of G-leaguers put tght even if Kobe and Gasol were the 2 best guys.

I have a different definition of stacked. ..

LeBron takes a bag of half open, half empty mini bag of Cheetos nobody wants is considered STACKED, their mental is overpowering.

[Nb1]

LeBron takes a bag of half open, half empty mini bag of Cheetos nobody wants is considered STACKED, their mental is overpowering.

Srly, it’s mind boggling how anyone could look at the Lakers roster and say its stacked.

Last season:
Schroder bench player for Houston
Lonnie bench player for the Spurs
Rui bench player for Wizards
Troy Brown bench player for Chicago
D’Lo 4th option in Minnesota
Mo Bamba bench player in Orlando
Vand starter for Minny
Beasley bench player for Minny

and lets not even mention Max Christie, scottie pippen jr etc.

You can make a case for D’Lo, but the rest were barely bench players in teams that didnt even make it into the playoffs other than Beasley and Vand, but who got benched almost the whole game…

If thats a stacked team, then so is Houston, Spurs, Pistons, Orlando etc…

[ImKobe]

What do you mean by good talents?

If you get a bench player from the Wizards that didn’t even start 1 single game and is in the league for 4 yrs and no one ever said 1 word abour him, is he considered a great player?

If you get bench players from the Spurs, Wizards and Magic that also are already yrs in the league but no one ever talked about them, are they considered great players?

If the Lakers got Edwards from Minny, Porzingis/Beal from Washington, etc fine i’m with you, it would be a stacked team with those kind of players playing for shitty teams. But they got guys that weren’t even good enough to start on the worst teams in the league. No matter how good or bad they played for the Lakers you can’t say its a stacked team.

If you say that then it means every single team is stacked, even the Pistons, Spurs, bc they have guys that were starting over the bench players that the Lakers acquired and if you consider the Lakers stacked, they’re even more. Which is ofc stupid to say.

Do you consider Miami stacked?

Miami was a #1 seed with those same guys last season and 1 shot from the Finals.. Only the real casuals counted them out completely. Celtic fans had nightmares about facing them in the POs.

You're just not going to give Lebron's teammates credit and that's fine I guess, but don't try to tell me you're being honest here. Reaves was the only young player who really went up a level this year, all the other guys were established in one way or another. Rui started in Washington before this season and averaged 12 off the bench. Same with Lonnie in San Antonio. Both top 10 picks and not even in their primes yet.

Schroder played in the ECF in ATL and was a starter in LA before. We all knew who Dlo was and he played really well in Minnesota, averaging 20 a game on great efficiency for a 30-game stretch before the trade. Vanderbilt we knew was a great defensive role player.

Like I said, 5 guys averaged 12+ ppg in the Playoffs. Bran was able to play off-ball and rest on offense. AD didn't have to carry a consistent 25-30 ppg load. You can't do that on a team that's not stacked.

Lakers bet on the young players and it worked. Reaves was a nobody but turned into an All-Star level player when Lebron got injured. Dlo was an All-Star in the past. Lonnie was a starter before all the trades. This team was more talented than the one in the bubble.

[lxlHoTsAuSelxl]

Srly, it’s mind boggling how anyone could look at the Lakers roster and say its stacked.

Last season:
Schroder bench player for Houston
Lonnie bench player for the Spurs
Rui bench player for Wizards
Troy Brown bench player for Chicago
D’Lo 4th option in Minnesota
Mo Bamba bench player in Orlando
Vand starter for Minny
Beasley bench player for Minny

and lets not even mention Max Christie, scottie pippen jr etc.

You can make a case for D’Lo, but the rest were barely bench players in teams that didnt even make it into the playoffs other than Beasley and Vand, but who got benched almost the whole game…

If thats a stacked team, then so is Houston, Spurs, Pistons, Orlando etc…

Not just last year, all the LeHatetards said the 2020 bubble team was stacked. Nobody wanted Rondo, DHoward, and Danny Green disappeared the year before in the playoffs when Raptors won a ring. And for the others, what has KCP, Caruso, Kuz, Bradley, Cook, THT, Mcgee, Markeiff Morris, Dion Waiters done, where are they all at now after 3 years?

[lxlHoTsAuSelxl]

Trying to discredit Lebron by playing 'power overwhelming mental gymnastics' lol.