View Full Version : Kobe Bryant vs. Stephen Curry Finals stats
Lebron23
05-26-2023, 05:11 PM
Kobe Bryant averaged 25.3 points on 41.2 FG%, 5.7 rebounds and 5.1 assists, 1.8 spg, 0.9 spg in 37 games in the NBA Finals in his career.
Stephen Curry has averaged 27.3 points on 43.2 FG%, 6.0 assists and 5.8 rebounds in 34 games in the NBA Finals in his career.
I was surprised by Curry's 43.2 FG%, but overall he put up better stats than Kobe.
https://www.basketballnetwork.net/.image/ar_4:3%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Cq_aut o:good%2Cw_1200/MTkwMTY0NjI4MzIyMzk1ODA2/kobe-bryant-steph-curry.jpg
AlternativeAcc.
05-26-2023, 05:15 PM
Curry was trash before Durant showed up and took pressure off him.
Something like 23ppg on 40% with zero dedense and some of the lowest IQ youll ever see. Awful
People don't realize curry has a small brain and processes info extremely slow. It's why he makes mistakes like he did at the end of game 5 vs LA literally throwing the ball away with a timeout left. His brain is bad.
tpols
05-26-2023, 05:16 PM
Kobes finals averages are skewed by the defenses he faced. 2004 Pistons and 2008 Celtics were GOAT defenses... 2009 Magic and the 2002 Nets were #1 defenses, and the 2010 Celtics and 2001 Sixers were super elite on defense as well. Curry and Kobe are both GOATs but Curry got to tee off on weak Cavs defense most of his Finals career. His performance last year against the DPOY directly guarding him was something special though.
GimmeThat
05-26-2023, 05:18 PM
sort of what happens when you idol both Kobe Bryant and Derek Fisher. still, had Stever Kerr not been the coach, not sure if those assist numbers and rebound numbers would hold.
GimmeThat
05-26-2023, 05:21 PM
People don't realize curry has a small brain and processes info extremely slow. It's why he makes mistakes like he did at the end of game 5 vs LA literally throwing the ball away with a timeout left. His brain is bad.
what are you, a sniper
Lebron23
05-26-2023, 05:45 PM
Curry was trash before Durant showed up and took pressure off him.
Something like 23ppg on 40% with zero dedense and some of the lowest IQ youll ever see. Awful
People don't realize curry has a small brain and processes info extremely slow. It's why he makes mistakes like he did at the end of game 5 vs LA literally throwing the ball away with a timeout left. His brain is bad.
Probably the reason why he only had 1 finals mvp
dankok8
05-26-2023, 05:49 PM
Curry should have been FMVP in 2015 and could have been in 2018 as well.
That being said Kobe faced considerable tougher defenses and played at a slower pace to boot.
lxlHoTsAuSelxl
05-26-2023, 06:05 PM
Kobe's points, fg%, assist would be higher is he wasnt the only one who can create a shot. Team passed the ball to him with 5 seconds left was a regular.
AlternativeAcc.
05-26-2023, 06:10 PM
Curry should have been FMVP in 2015 and could have been in 2018 as well.
That being said Kobe faced considerable tougher defenses and played at a slower pace to boot.
Nope, Iggy hit all the important shots and played amazing defense. Curry stat padded.
Lebron23
05-26-2023, 07:04 PM
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GimmeThat
05-26-2023, 07:19 PM
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so he stuck with the same franchise, and finally won the FMVP because the team owner decided to get him less help
Lebron23
05-26-2023, 07:22 PM
so he stuck with the same franchise, and finally won the FMVP because the team owner decided to get him less help
I actually Lmao
SouBeachTalents
05-26-2023, 09:47 PM
Kobes finals averages are skewed by the defenses he faced. 2004 Pistons and 2008 Celtics were GOAT defenses... 2009 Magic and the 2002 Nets were #1 defenses, and the 2010 Celtics and 2001 Sixers were super elite on defense as well. Curry and Kobe are both GOATs but Curry got to tee off on weak Cavs defense most of his Finals career. His performance last year against the DPOY directly guarding him was something special though.
I fully agree with you on Curry feasting on weak Cavs defenses, but I take issue with your point regarding Kobe's competition. Other perimeter stars routinely played better against these same defenses than Kobe did, and they didn't have the advantage of having peak Shaq on their team to draw the defenses attention like Kobe did for 4 of them.
vs. 2000 Pacers
Allen: 22 on 55%TS
Iverson: 27 on 48%TS
Houston: 19 on 54%TS
Kobe: 16 on 41%TS
vs. 2001 76ers
Reggie: 31 on 61%TS
Vince: 30 on 57%TS
Allen: 27 on 61%TS
Kobe: 25 on 50%TS
vs. 2004 Pistons
Redd: 18 on 49%TS (16.6 FGA)
Jefferson: 21 on 54%TS (14.6 FGA)
Kobe: 23 on 46%TS (22.6 FGA)
vs. 2008 Celtics
Johnson: 20 on 54%TS (16.4 FGA)
Rip: 22 on 64%TS (14.2 FGA)
Kobe: 26 on 51%TS (21.8 FGA)
vs. 2009 Magic
LeBron: 39 on 59%TS
Kobe: 32 on 53%TS
vs. 2010 Celtics
Wade: 33 on 65%TS
Kobe: 29 on 53%TS
GimmeThat
05-26-2023, 09:57 PM
Kobes finals averages are skewed by the defenses he faced. 2004 Pistons and 2008 Celtics were GOAT defenses... 2009 Magic and the 2002 Nets were #1 defenses, and the 2010 Celtics and 2001 Sixers were super elite on defense as well. Curry and Kobe are both GOATs but Curry got to tee off on weak Cavs defense most of his Finals career. His performance last year against the DPOY directly guarding him was something special though.
defense lead to offense, offense without defense, is just suicide
Stephonit
05-26-2023, 10:14 PM
Kobes finals averages are skewed by the defenses he faced. 2004 Pistons and 2008 Celtics were GOAT defenses... 2009 Magic and the 2002 Nets were #1 defenses, and the 2010 Celtics and 2001 Sixers were super elite on defense as well. Curry and Kobe are both GOATs but Curry got to tee off on weak Cavs defense most of his Finals career. His performance last year against the DPOY directly guarding him was something special though.
If this is true why are Steph's average ppg against the Cavaliers under 30 while his average against the Raptors and Celtics, teams that were known for their defense, are over 30?
Lebron23
05-26-2023, 10:21 PM
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Cavaliers team would have beaten The Warriors without Kevin Durant. Facts are facts.
GimmeThat
05-26-2023, 10:24 PM
If this is true why are Steph's average ppg against the Cavaliers under 30 while his average against the Raptors and Celtics, teams that were known for their defense, are over 30?
those Celtics and Raptors were actually known for their 3ball
dankok8
05-27-2023, 12:28 AM
Nope, Iggy hit all the important shots and played amazing defense. Curry stat padded.
What were the important shots Iggy hit? Game 1 was the only close win by the Warriors. Iggy went scoreless in the last 6 minutes of the 4th quarter and scored 1 point in OT. Game 4, 5 and 6 were all very comfortable wins. Sounds like a bullshit narrative.
His defense on Lebron is often brought up to justify it but that's a bit far-fetched too. He defended Lebron fairly well but Lebron just shot extraordinarily poorly that entire playoffs. In fact Lebron shot 29.4% outside of 3 feet for that entire postseason. And probably another indication that Lebron's struggles had little to do with Igoudala is that in 2016, 2017 and 2018 Lebron had no trouble scoring on Iggy.
Iggy winning the 2015 Finals MVP is pretty puzzling. And the more I look at it the less sense it makes for him to win it over Curry.
What were the important shots Iggy hit? Game 1 was the only close win by the Warriors. Iggy went scoreless in the last 6 minutes of the 4th quarter and scored 1 point in OT. Game 4, 5 and 6 were all very comfortable wins. Sounds like a bullshit narrative.
His defense on Lebron is often brought up to justify it but that's a bit far-fetched too. He defended Lebron fairly well but Lebron just shot extraordinarily poorly that entire playoffs. In fact Lebron shot 29.4% outside of 3 feet for that entire postseason. And probably another indication that Lebron's struggles had little to do with Igoudala is that in 2016, 2017 and 2018 Lebron had no trouble scoring on Iggy.
Iggy winning the 2015 Finals MVP is pretty puzzling. And the more I look at it the less sense it makes for him to win it over Curry.
curry got robbed. realistically it should have been him.
everyone just gave it to iggy because they couldnt give it to lebron
lebron was that much better than both
buh buh buh he shot 39%
ImKobe
05-27-2023, 12:33 AM
If this is true why are Steph's average ppg against the Cavaliers under 30 while his average against the Raptors and Celtics, teams that were known for their defense, are over 30?
Warriors were decimated by injuries in 2019 so he shot way more than he would have, and the scoring in the NBA in general has increased by a lot since 2017.
KB's numbers are pretty damn underrated, considering the 1st quarter injury & him playing half the games before his prime at a young age and in a much tougher defensive era. He averaged ~29 ppg in the Finals from '08-'10.
ImKobe
05-27-2023, 12:36 AM
Cavaliers team would have beaten The Warriors without Kevin Durant. Facts are facts.
I don't think so. You needed a miracle (suspension + injuries to Bogut & Iggy) to come back from down 1 - 3 vs. an injured Steph in 2016.
GS was just getting started. Bran had a limited window with Kyrie. If GS didn't get KD they would have still gotten rid of Harrison Barnes and improved their team with someone else.
I don't think so. You needed a miracle (suspension + injuries to Bogut & Iggy) to come back from down 1 - 3 vs. an injured Steph in 2016.
GS was just getting started. Bran had a limited window with Kyrie. If GS didn't get KD they would have still gotten rid of Harrison Barnes and improved their team with someone else.
you're way off like always
lebron was the best player in the playoffs and finals from 2012-2018
best player in the finals 7 years in a row
popovich and kerr said it themselves
just stop
AlternativeAcc.
05-27-2023, 12:38 AM
What were the important shots Iggy hit? Game 1 was the only close win by the Warriors. Iggy went scoreless in the last 6 minutes of the 4th quarter and scored 1 point in OT. Game 4, 5 and 6 were all very comfortable wins. Sounds like a bullshit narrative.
His defense on Lebron is often brought up to justify it but that's a bit far-fetched too. He defended Lebron fairly well but Lebron just shot extraordinarily poorly that entire playoffs. In fact Lebron shot 29.4% outside of 3 feet for that entire postseason. And probably another indication that Lebron's struggles had little to do with Igoudala is that in 2016, 2017 and 2018 Lebron had no trouble scoring on Iggy.
Iggy winning the 2015 Finals MVP is pretty puzzling. And the more I look at it the less sense it makes for him to win it over Curry.
By inportant shots I mean shots when the game was still in the balance. He hit a ton of momentum shifting shots when games were tied or within 2. Curry went on scoring explosions when games were mostly decided and was invisible for the majority of the series.
He got zero votes for a reason. Its because everybody who watched came to the same conclusions that his impact was minimal. It's only in hindsight when people are staring at the box score where they go "curry was robbed!" It's a preposterous notion.
dont even talk about kobe anymore
we're not interested in 25% game 7 shooters
getting bailed out by artest and pau gasol and odom
we all remember this shit
kobe missing every single shot and artest saving his ass
https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-24-2015/0VDgQD.gif
meanwhile:
https://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2818159/lebronclutch.gif
Soundwave
05-27-2023, 12:41 AM
Kobe played in a lower scoring era, so that kinda complicates comparing scoring averages directly.
ImKobe
05-27-2023, 12:50 AM
you're way off like always
lebron was the best player in the playoffs and finals from 2012-2018
best player in the finals 7 years in a row
popovich and kerr said it themselves
just stop
Except he wasn't.
I don't think there's a case for him in 2014 or 2015 tbh. 2014 he stat-padded while getting his back blown out and in 2015 he chucked like he was 2001 AI against the Lakers. KD was better in 2017 & 2018.
Warriors were going to have a much better team than the Cavs regardless of whether they got KD or not.
Don't you think that they would have improved after 2016 regardless? They had the cap space to sign Kevin Durant. There were other options in that Free Agency if that hadn't come to fruition.
Except he wasn't.
I don't think there's a case for him in 2014 or 2015 tbh. 2014 he stat-padded while getting his back blown out and in 2015 he chucked like he was 2001 AI against the Lakers. KD was better in 2017 & 2018.
Warriors were going to have a much better team than the Cavs regardless of whether they got KD or not.
Don't you think that they would have improved after 2016 regardless? They had the cap space to sign Kevin Durant. There were other options in that Free Agency if that hadn't come to fruition.
shut the **** up bro
THERE IS ZERO ARGUMENT for 2014 and 2015
lebron was BY FAR the best in the world
this is why people troll kobe fans.
RIP kobe.
dwade literally blew his knee in 2014 and the spurs were on fire. the spurs shot the heat out of the games by the first quarter. "stat-padding"
dwade admit that he was done - his knees were already shot by 2012 against the thunder but the GOAT that he is, he fought through and put on a star performance - by 2014 his body was done:
https://grantland.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/wade-sad-2.gif
2015 we dont even need to say anything - lebron had a 4 of the 11 finals MVP votes on the losing team:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_NBA_Finals
1987_Lakers
05-27-2023, 12:58 AM
What were the important shots Iggy hit? Game 1 was the only close win by the Warriors. Iggy went scoreless in the last 6 minutes of the 4th quarter and scored 1 point in OT. Game 4, 5 and 6 were all very comfortable wins. Sounds like a bullshit narrative.
His defense on Lebron is often brought up to justify it but that's a bit far-fetched too. He defended Lebron fairly well but Lebron just shot extraordinarily poorly that entire playoffs. In fact Lebron shot 29.4% outside of 3 feet for that entire postseason. And probably another indication that Lebron's struggles had little to do with Igoudala is that in 2016, 2017 and 2018 Lebron had no trouble scoring on Iggy.
Iggy winning the 2015 Finals MVP is pretty puzzling. And the more I look at it the less sense it makes for him to win it over Curry.
If you watched the series live, you would understand why he got it. You could make a case for Steph, but I remember at the time people not being surprised at Iggy winning it. Warriors were down 1-2 in the series and it wasn't until they put Iggy in the starting lineup that they finally started to win games, he was the x-factor that changed the series, he was also arguably their best player in game 4 and game 6.
Curry had only one great game in game 5, rest of the series he was getting locked up by Dellavedova
meanwhile kobe literally cost his team the ring in 2004 - everyone on that lakers roster knows that kobe cost them that year
locked up by tayshaun prince :oldlol:
we already know what lebron did to tayshaun prince.....
SouBeachTalents
05-27-2023, 01:02 AM
The 2015 FMVP discussion has literally become the biggest revisionist history of any topic on this board. All I hear about now is how Curry was robbed, and that Iggy winning was an outrage. At the time, this is not what people believed at all. Look at any discussion going on during/after the Finals, the majority of people believed that if someone from the Warriors deserved to win it, it was Iggy, not Curry.
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1392234
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1392999&view=viewpoll
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?379344-Who-s-GSW-s-Finals-MVP-thus-far
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHrSQ7FUEAAYyEJ.jpg
1987_Lakers
05-27-2023, 01:03 AM
Except he wasn't.
He absolutely was the best player in the Finals every year from 2012-2018. Only player that has an argument is 2017 KD, but both were incredible in that series.
The 2015 FMVP discussion has literally become the biggest revisionist history of any topic on this board. All I hear about now is how Curry was robbed, and that Iggy winning was an outrage. At the time, this is not what people believed at all. Look at any discussion going on during/after the Finals, the majority of people believed that if someone from the Warriors deserved to win it, it was Iggy, not Curry.
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1392234
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1392999&view=viewpoll
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?379344-Who-s-GSW-s-Finals-MVP-thus-far
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHrSQ7FUEAAYyEJ.jpg
these kids are all mentally retarded
lebron was the undisputed best player in the finals for 7 years in a row
thats a stronger GOAT case than all of the other countless accolades
He absolutely was the best player in the Finals every year from 2012-2018. Only player that has argument is 2017 KD, but both were incredible in that series.
bruh kobe had shaq on his team and literally shot them out of the series
got locked up by tayshaun prince
tayshaun prince is a great defender but he isnt kawhi or iggy... and lebron owned both...
AlternativeAcc.
05-27-2023, 01:07 AM
The 2015 FMVP discussion has literally become the biggest revisionist history of any topic on this board. All I hear about now is how Curry was robbed, and that Iggy winning was an outrage. At the time, this is not what people believed at all. Look at any discussion going on during/after the Finals, the majority of people believed that if someone from the Warriors deserved to win it, it was Iggy, not Curry.
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1392234
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1392999&view=viewpoll
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?379344-Who-s-GSW-s-Finals-MVP-thus-far
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHrSQ7FUEAAYyEJ.jpg
:cheers:
1987_Lakers
05-27-2023, 01:08 AM
The 2015 FMVP discussion has literally become the biggest revisionist history of any topic on this board. All I hear about now is how Curry was robbed, and that Iggy winning was an outrage. At the time, this is not what people believed at all. Look at any discussion going on during/after the Finals, the majority of people believed that if someone from the Warriors deserved to win it, it was Iggy, not Curry.
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1392234
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1392999&view=viewpoll
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?379344-Who-s-GSW-s-Finals-MVP-thus-far
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHrSQ7FUEAAYyEJ.jpg
Well, one of the people who is trying to re-write history in this thread also rigged a project against LeBron, not really a surprise.
AlternativeAcc.
05-27-2023, 01:12 AM
Well, one of the people who is trying to re-write history in this thread also rigged a project against LeBron, not really a surprise.
Who and what? :lol
That sounds hilarious
1987_Lakers
05-27-2023, 01:19 AM
Who and what? :lol
That sounds hilarious
dankok. He participated in our 2003-post draft, but also rigged a project against LeBron months earlier
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?506272-2017-Playoff-MVP/page5
Kawhileonard2 also makes intelligent posts at times. I'm counting his vote
1987_Lakers
05-27-2023, 01:22 AM
Anyways, dude ended up having a big meltdown after many people called him out for the suspect voting and he abandoned the project.
AlternativeAcc.
05-27-2023, 01:32 AM
dankok. He participated in our 2003-post draft, but also rigged a project against LeBron months earlier
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?506272-2017-Playoff-MVP/page5
:roll:
Calling kawhileonard2 anything but an incessant troll is crazy.
dankok8
05-27-2023, 01:45 AM
If you watched the series live, you would understand why he got it. You could make a case for Steph, but I remember at the time people not being surprised at Iggy winning it. Warriors were down 1-2 in the series and it wasn't until they put Iggy in the starting lineup that they finally started to win games, he was the x-factor that changed the series, he was also arguably their best player in game 4 and game 6.
Curry had only one great game in game 5, rest of the series he was getting locked up by Dellavedova
Curry still averaged 10 more ppg than Igoudala, more apg and faced the brunt of the opposing defense. There is no way Iggy fitting well or playing good defense can make up such a massive difference in offensive contribution.
The 2015 FMVP discussion has literally become the biggest revisionist history of any topic on this board. All I hear about now is how Curry was robbed, and that Iggy winning was an outrage. At the time, this is not what people believed at all. Look at any discussion going on during/after the Finals, the majority of people believed that if someone from the Warriors deserved to win it, it was Iggy, not Curry.
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/vie....php?t=1392234
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/vie...&view=viewpoll
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...s-MVP-thus-far
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHrSQ7FUEAAYyEJ.jpg
People didn't care at the time because no one thought Curry would become a top 10 all timer. If Iggy is such a good choice, people should be able to justify it. As time goes on choosing Iggy seems like a less and less sensible choice.
the public bought into the "He shut Lebron down hype...". Lebron's jumper was just off that entire postseason. He shot 47.7 %TS in the finals but he shot 49.2 %TS in the first three rounds before that.
dankok8
05-27-2023, 01:46 AM
Anyways, dude ended up having a big meltdown after many people called him out for the suspect voting and he abandoned the project.
I counted your vote so clearly I did botch the project. I apologize to the good people of this forum.
1987_Lakers
05-27-2023, 01:57 AM
I counted your vote so clearly I did botch the project. I apologize to the good people of this forum.
Are you Eric Lewis?
Lebron23
05-27-2023, 04:32 AM
Are you Eric Lewis?
who??
ImKobe
05-27-2023, 09:00 AM
meanwhile kobe literally cost his team the ring in 2004 - everyone on that lakers roster knows that kobe cost them that year
locked up by tayshaun prince :oldlol:
we already know what lebron did to tayshaun prince.....
So Kobe wasn't injured in 2004? Karl Malone?
Kobe won them their only game of the series. They didn't get enough help from the role guys and KB had knee & shoulder injuries.
Shaq wasn't washed?
ImKobe
05-27-2023, 09:01 AM
shut the **** up bro
THERE IS ZERO ARGUMENT for 2014 and 2015
lebron was BY FAR the best in the world
Literally no one said that at the time. KD was the best player in the world in 2014. Steph overall in 2015 though you could make the case for AD just based on his RS.
HoopsNY
05-27-2023, 09:06 AM
Curry should have been FMVP in 2015 and could have been in 2018 as well.
That being said Kobe faced considerable tougher defenses and played at a slower pace to boot.
This is obvious, but OP is a retard.
IllegalD
05-27-2023, 09:17 AM
Just like clockwork: whenever LeBron gets embarrassed in the playoffs this small-dicked, shrimp-peddling, insecure pinoy starts spamming the message board with anti-Kobe/MJ (and any other player he deems a threat to his precious LeBron) threads in order to vent and help himself sleep better at night. Looks like those "Land of 6 titles" you have in your profile you jerked off to your entire life fantasizing about isn't going to happen for you. I know that must hurt you. Imagine having a dead player still living rent free in your head after all these years.
Louie, you gave up your law degree in order to sell shrimp to university students and stan LeBron full time. And look where that's got you.
:lol:lebronamazed::lebroncry:
Literally no one said that at the time. KD was the best player in the world in 2014. Steph overall in 2015 though you could make the case for AD just based on his RS.
it's all good bro
the GOAT legacy is already cemented
it's an undeniable fact now.
cemented top-2, arguable top-1
IllegalD
05-27-2023, 10:55 AM
it's all good bro
the GOAT legacy is already cemented
it's an undeniable fact now.
cemented top-2, arguable top-1
Aren't you a Canadian/Raptors fan...?
CRINGE, homie. Guess LeBronto buttf*cking your team year-in-year-out left you with Stockholm Syndrome.
:facepalm:lol:lebroncry:
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