Dallas reportedly will not sign and trade Kyrie anywhere. Would you?

[Kblaze8855]

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I know it’s hard to separate your opinion of Kyrie as a person or a player from the decision, but I’d like to ask you about sign and trades as a concept. When you are losing a star for absolutely nothing, and all you can do is reduce his compensation on the team he is leaving you for is that worth whatever you can get in exchange?

For a real world example, both LeBron and Bosh were technically traded to the heat. Even with the ridiculous letter and being all upset Gilbert allowed a sign and trade. Wasn’t for much. One of the draft picks ended up being Jae Crowder. But it’s something. And the pick the heat sent the Raptors actually ended up being top 5 and turned into Jonas Valanciunas(it was a pick the heat had from somebody else). Never know what those picks become. The Suns got the pick that became Mikal Bridges from the Nash sign and trade to LA then traded him for Durant 10 years later.

what is the benefit of letting hurt feelings reduce potential compensation? In Cubans case I can almost understand because if Kyrie is helped to go to another team, that is a contender, you could see Luka feeling some kind of way having to watch it.

But if he’s leaving, no matter what? You kind of have to get a couple picks don’t you?

[Kblaze8855]

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Reason enough to refuse a sign and trade?

[BallsOut]

Mavs have all the leverage. If I’m Cuban, it’s Anthony Davis or let Kyrie walk for nothing. If Kyrie walks by the way he can’t sign with LA since they are over the cap.

The same mindset netted Cleveland the number one pick from Minnesota for Kevin Love. Cuban understands the Mavs have something the Lakers want and he always swings for the big name stars. Leverage is powerful.

[FultzNationRISE]

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But if he’s leaving, no matter what? You kind of have to get a couple picks don’t you?


But you dont really KNOW if he’s willing to actually leave money on the table unless you refuse to accommodate him, no?

If you agree to the trade it immediately guarantees you lose the guy. If you dont agree, he could still decide not to pass the money up.

That said, I hope the Mavericks are just playing hardball to get better trade offers.

If they actually wanna keep this loser theyre beyond pathetic.

[GimmeThat]

sign and trade is similar to a parents going through a divorce but files for joint custody

not an issue in todays world, where kids are driven by the force of not wanting to be bored.

[Kblaze8855]

But you dont really KNOW if he’s willing to actually leave money on the table unless you refuse to accommodate him, no?

If you agree to the trade it immediately guarantees you lose the guy. If you dont agree, he could still decide not to pass the money up.

That said, I hope the Mavericks are just playing hardball to get better trade offers.

If they actually wanna keep this loser theyre beyond pathetic.



Would anyone put it past Kyrie in such a situation where spite has already entered the chat from the teams side to just agree to the deal, and do a press tour, praising Dallas, and then simply not show up for training camp, and demand a trade, knowing that even if you suspend him forever and don’t pay him, you have tied up the cap room for absolutely nothing in return?


A 40 million cap hold pretty much guarantees you don’t get enough help for Luka to be interested in an extension doesn’t it? Who has the leverage then?

Maybe Kyrie isn’t that devious but I sure would be once I absolutely didn’t need the money and we were having a spite off.

You would meet King Petty ****ing with me.

[FultzNationRISE]

Would anyone put it past Kyrie in such a situation where spite has already entered the chat from the teams side to just agree to the deal, and do a press tour, praising Dallas, and then simply not show up for training camp, and demand a trade, knowing that even if you suspend him forever and don’t pay him, you have tied up the cap room for absolutely nothing in return?


A 40 million cap hold pretty much guarantees you don’t get enough help for Luka to be interested in an extension doesn’t it? Who has the leverage then?

Maybe Kyrie isn’t that devious but I sure would be once I absolutely didn’t need the money and we were having a spite off.

You would meet King Petty ****ing with me.

If theyre dumb enough to put a beehive in their house, they deserve to be stung.

If they sign Irving I HOPE he turns around spites and humiliates them. Which he will.

[Real Men Wear Green]

That's a foolish stance. Of course they should be open to dealing him. They should be actively encouraging a market with competing offers to be their trade partner. Nothing about their last season results was promising, he likely doesn't want to be there if he's going to Laker games and they could potentially get multiple starters, draft picks, good rotation players, etc. But it's better to lose him for nothing? Don't ask the Nets their opinion because they probably wish they had never signed him themselves.

[GimmeThat]

That's a foolish stance. Of course they should be open to dealing him. They should be actively encouraging a market with competing offers to be their trade partner. Nothing about their last season results was promising, he likely doesn't want to be there if he's going to Laker games and they could potentially get multiple starters, draft picks, good rotation players, etc. But it's better to lose him for nothing? Don't ask the Nets their opinion because they probably wish they had never signed him themselves.

outside of rule changes, people don't have a say over the supply/demand of players at each position, but last I checked, to say there's a shortage of people for a league that constitutes to about .000000000000000001% of the population would be absurd

[lxlHoTsAuSelxl]

Since Kyrie joined Dallas...
10 wins
18 losses
28 games total

When Kyrie plays...
8 wins
12 losses

Of course Dallas is going to say they have no interest in a sign & trade with Kyrie. Since when do teams announce major moves that are can be detrimental to the team.

To think Cuban will sabotage his own team due to spite? You get solid rotational players and draft picks.

Cuban is a business man, he already ****** up by letting go of Brunson. Giving away Dinwiddie, Finnie-Smith, 1st rd pick, 2nd round picks for a failed 2 month rental for Irving?

So some of you are saying let Kyrie walk lol. Luka will ve walking next!.........The Lemental's thinking power overwhelming.

[lxlHoTsAuSelxl]

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Reason enough to refuse a sign and trade?

Giving away pieces and not getting anything in return and Mav's stay losing, you will have a even more disguntled Doncic if he isnt already. Guaranteed Luka leaving Dallas if Cuban continues fumbling the bag.

[SaltyMeatballs]

Giving away pieces and not getting anything in return and Mav's stay losing, you will have a even more disguntled Doncic if he isnt already. Guaranteed Luka leaving Dallas if Cuban continues fumbling the bag.

Wtf is your username

[bladefd]

Couldn't another team step in to s&t Kyrie for assets/pick in return? He is a free-agent so doesn't have to be Dallas, right?

[90sgoat]

Cuban is incompetent.

[BallsOut]

Couldn't another team step in to s&t Kyrie for assets/pick in return? He is a free-agent so doesn't have to be Dallas, right?

Nope. Read the title again

[BallsOut]

Cuban playing hard ball. I like it. Go big or go home. Either get Anthony Davis for Kyrie Irving if the Lakers want him that badly or let Irving walk and Lakers won’t have any shot of getting Kyrie.

Leverage is a powerful thing to have.

[Kblaze8855]

Cuban playing hard ball. I like it. Go big or go home. Either get Anthony Davis for Kyrie Irving if the Lakers want him that badly or let Irving walk and Lakers won’t have any shot of getting Kyrie.

Leverage is a powerful thing to have.

If Luka wants Kyrie and doesn’t want to see that they traded so much for a rental they let walk for nothing id say that’s a greater downside for the Mavericks than playing somewhere other than LA would be a downside for Kyrie.

Kyrie has been all over the league. He’s used to it. Losing prime Luka would be one of the worst things to happen to any franchise in its history.

[BallsOut]

If Luka wants Kyrie and doesn’t want to see that they traded so much for a rental they let walk for nothing id say that’s a greater downside for the Mavericks than playing somewhere other than LA would be a downside for Kyrie.

Kyrie has been all over the league. He’s used to it. Losing prime Luka would be one of the worst things to happen to any franchise in its history.

The Mavs have never been known for trading big names without getting a star in return. I don’t see why they suddenly change up and go after role players. That’s not who they are. It’s not what they’ve been doing.

Now what the Mavs have been known for doing is trading for big names albeit at the expense of gutting the roster at times. But at least that gives us an idea into Cubans logic.

Cuban operates like a man who goes big or goes home. Jason Kidd. Attempts at Kawhi. Attempts at Durant. Kyrie Irving. Even attempted to get Kobe once. The Kyrie trade for their solid role players to Brooklyn was a recent example of that. I see nothing short of Anthony Davis from the Lakers that would interest Cuban.

Obviously Cuban swung for that Kyrie trade knowing if he hit it would’ve made him a genius. Mavs weren’t going anywhere with or without Irving at the time anyway. He’s looking to hit a home run, not load up the bases.

[lxlHoTsAuSelxl]

Cuban playing hard ball. I like it. Go big or go home. Either get Anthony Davis for Kyrie Irving if the Lakers want him that badly or let Irving walk and Lakers won’t have any shot of getting Kyrie.

Leverage is a powerful thing to have.

Who said Lakers are disparate to sign Kyrie. Mav's have no leverage at all. Cuban gave up Dinwiddie+Finney-Smith, 1st & 2nd round picks for what? To think Cuban will screw Irving is screwing himself. I'll explain it to you, your not trying to improve the team instead playing games. Luka will see this and demand a trade or walk. So now you lose Kyrie plus Luka, and will be irrelevant for the next 10 years.

No team in the NBA would trade AD for 'world is flat' Kyrie. Lakers history, they are willing to sell the farm for big name players and figure out the rest later.

If Lakers cant get Kyrie they'll try to keep the same core and try to make trades to improve. They might have the mle $12m and/or bi-annual 4m to use, #17, Bamba, Vando, Harrison(dleague 2021-2022 defensive player of the year) to sign or used to upgrade roster. Again tell me what is this 'Leverage' your talking about.

[BallsOut]

Who said Lakers are disparate to sign Kyrie. Mav's have no leverage at all. Cuban gave up Dinwiddie+Finney-Smith, 1st & 2nd round picks for what? To think Cuban will screw Irving is screwing himself. I'll explain it to you, your not trying to improve the team instead playing games. Luka will see this and demand a trade or walk. So now you lose Kyrie plus Luka, and will be irrelevant for the next 10 years.

No team in the NBA would trade AD for 'world is flat' Kyrie. Lakers history, they are willing to sell the farm for big name players and figure out the rest later.

If Lakers cant get Kyrie they'll try to keep the same core and try to make trades to improve. They might have the mle $12m and/or bi-annual 4m to use, #17, Bamba, Vando, Harrison(dleague 2021-2022 defensive player of the year) to sign or used to upgrade roster. Again tell me what is this 'Leverage' your talking about.

Leverage is that the Mavs have something that the Lakers want. It’s the Mavs decision to make, not the Lakers. Hence the term leverage. The Lakers are the desperate ones here not the Mavs. Anyone who wants Kyrie is indeed desperate.

[lxlHoTsAuSelxl]

Leverage is that the Mavs have something that the Lakers want. It’s the Mavs decision to make, not the Lakers. Hence the term leverage. The Lakers are the desperate ones here not the Mavs. Anyone who wants Kyrie is indeed desperate.

You understand 'Want' is not the same as 'Need' right?

How are the Lakers 'Desperate'? AD, Kyrie, 39 year old on 1 foot Lebron, and Reaves is far from a title contender(no depth), possibly worst then 2022-2023.

This isn't like 2019 when LA was willing to give the farm and the kitchen sink for AD.

Lakers were never a team to groom their own picks but instead trade for big name players even though the last was Westbrook. If you really think Kyrie is bad for LA, you would be all for it. Kinda sweating over there arent ya? Hehe

[SATAN]

Dude acting like the Lakers desperately need Kyrie as opposed to Dallas desperately need to get rid of that cancer :oldlol:

What an idiot.

[BallsOut]

You understand 'Want' is not the same as 'Need' right?

How are the Lakers 'Desperate'? AD, Kyrie, 39 year old on 1 foot Lebron, and Reaves is far from a title contender(no depth), possibly worst then 2022-2023.

This isn't like 2019 when LA was willing to give the farm and the kitchen sink for AD.

Lakers were never a team to groom their own picks but instead trade for big name players even though the last was Westbrook. If you really think Kyrie is bad for LA, you would be all for it. Kinda sweating over there arent ya? Hehe

You sound pretty desperate. Mavs don’t have to do shit to help the Lakers. Yet you’re in every thread trying to get kyrie to LA for trash in return. Fk outta here dawg

[lxlHoTsAuSelxl]

You sound pretty desperate. Mavs don’t have to do shit to help the Lakers. Yet you’re in every thread trying to get kyrie to LA for trash in return. Fk outta here dawg

Oops I might of hit a nerve hehe and the off season is almost as exciring as the playoffs to me as a LA fan. From the signings, draft, and trades.

[BallsOut]

Oops I might of hit a nerve.

You hit the same thing LeBron hit in his final attempt before getting swept, the side of the backboard. Keep posting I’ll keep laughing :roll:

[ImKobe]

Haven't looked at every single team but I don't think Kyrie has many options without a S&T. LA and Phoenix are at the top of his list and neither can sign him for a lot of money in FA. Lakers I guess could in theory but they're going to waste that space on Rui & AR-15.

[NBAGOAT]

No unless you get a star close to kyries level. Not going get that from phx or la

[lxlHoTsAuSelxl]

You hit the same thing LeBron hit in his final attempt before getting swept, the side of the backboard. Keep posting I’ll keep laughing :roll:

Keep laughing at a lineup of....

Irving
Smith
Brooks
Lebron/Thompson
Vando/Bamba

Adding laughing emogi's at the end of every post cannot mask the angry sweat.(is this where I am suppose to post HaHa or laughing emogi's?)

[Axe]

It's funny how teams are still seeking him despite being obvious of a cancer he is.

[lxlHoTsAuSelxl]

It's funny how teams are still seeking him despite being obvious of a cancer he is.

Brooklyn was 4th seed before trading him and Durant. Played more games then AD and Lebron in the regular season. Picture Jamal Murray in a Laker uniform but with more offence capabilities. Only thing, you need to deal with 'the world is flat' mindset.

[BallsOut]

Keep laughing at a lineup of....

Irving
Smith
Brooks
Lebron/Thompson
Vando/Bamba

Adding laughing emogi's at the end of every post cannot mask the angry sweat.(is this where I am suppose to post HaHa or laughing emogi's?)

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[lxlHoTsAuSelxl]

You sound pretty desperate. Mavs don’t have to do shit to help the Lakers. Yet you’re in every thread trying to get kyrie to LA for trash in return. Fk outta here dawg

How many threads am I in talking about Kyrie, thus warrant me getting the, and I quote, "Fk outta here dawg"? Compared to the amount Lebron threads you have made? Theres more to life then hating a pro basketball player 'dawg'.(is this where I'm suppose to post a laughing emogi.)

I just counted, you spammed 9 threads and 8 was about Lebron on the first page alone. 'There is more to life' like dust the blinds, take out the trash, clean the bathroom, do the laundry, windex the windows, mow the lawn, pull some weeds, organize the garage, sweep/mop the floor, exercise, basically normal stuff people do.

[coin24]

Plenty of teams would offer Kyrie the max.. Dallas can pay him more but he might not be interested to stay..
I don’t think they have the ability to surround him and luka with enough talent to win anything.

Mavs would be fools not to sign and trade in this situation. Gutted the team and gave up assets for nothing essentially..
Who says he even wants to go to the lakers anyway? Media routinely lies about Kyrie because he calls them out on their total bulshit all the time

[lxlHoTsAuSelxl]

Plenty of teams would offer Kyrie the max.. Dallas can pay him more but he might not be interested to stay..
I don’t think they have the ability to surround him and luka with enough talent to win anything.

Mavs would be fools not to sign and trade in this situation. Gutted the team and gave up assets for nothing essentially..
Who says he even wants to go to the lakers anyway? Media routinely lies about Kyrie because he calls them out on their total bulshit all the time

From reports, Kyrie wanted to team up with Lebron again but Joe Tsai was being petty and rather trade him anywhere but his preferred team(Lakers).

Again from reports, LA offered Westbrook and BOTH 1st round picks, same picks they werent willing to give up for Hield, Turner. Brooklyn wanted Westbrook, Christie, Reaves, 2 firsts rd picks.

During the playoffs you saw Irving attend a couple LA games, dabbing up Lebron, ect. They played 3 years together and won a chip. If theres anyone in the NBA who can keep his mental in check it would be Lebron.

[GimmeThat]

Again from reports, LA offered Westbrook and BOTH 1st round picks, same picks they werent willing to give up for Hield, Turner.


it shows you how low they think of Reeves, or just every college coaches

[BarberSchool]

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[BarberSchool]

And of course Cuban is going to publicly state this.
Because he wants as much leverage as he can get.

[lxlHoTsAuSelxl]

it shows you how low they think of Reeves, or just every college coaches

Nobody or anything in this thread mention/thinks low of Reeves. Other thread you brought up Buss family and Ray Allen too for no reason. What are you on?

[GimmeThat]

Nobody or anything in this thread mention/thinks low of Reeves. Other thread you brought up Buss family and Ray Allen too for no reason. What are you on?

if your franchise could churn out 16/6 Kuzma 13/3/3 Reeve off of 1st rounders and none-drafted players, would you ever make this offer?

would the Spurs make this offer?


read the room

[Mask the Embiid]

Ok…..?? Then leave them with nothing Kyrie :oldlol:… I fell to see the threat :roll:


Fk em…. Enjoy signing jordan Clarkson…….bch

[Axe]

Brooklyn was 4th seed before trading him and Durant. Played more games then AD and Lebron in the regular season. Picture Jamal Murray in a Laker uniform but with more offence capabilities. Only thing, you need to deal with 'the world is flat' mindset.
I don't doubt his talent at all. But he's toxic because he's become a drama queen since around 2017.

[BallsOut]

Ok…..?? Then leave them with nothing Kyrie :oldlol:… I fell to see the threat :roll:


Fk em…. Enjoy signing jordan Clarkson…….bch

Kyrie wants his own team. He didn’t leave LeBron to come crawling back to him and admit the last five years of his life was a mistake. Kyrie wants to be the best. He’s a free agent and has the right to go to whatever team he pleases to. Sorry if that means not helping your daddy LeBron.

[Ass Dan]

playing hardball. he will get Davis plus Rui or Cousin Greg

[BarberSchool]

Dude acting like the Lakers desperately need Kyrie as opposed to Dallas desperately need to get rid of that cancer :oldlol:

What an idiot.

LeFraud Shames forced Pelinka to get Westbrick against Pelinka’s better judgement. What’s to say he won’t attempt the same with Kyrie ? And what’s to say his “might retire” is just (in addition to sympathy/attention whoring during his time of criticism after getting swept) is just another method of early leverage to force the organization to get Kyrie ?

LeBron clearly wasn’t comfortable taking any pressure shots or being in an iso down the stretch this post season… and he actually preferred it to be like his time in leaveland where kyrie took (and made) nearly all the pressure shots.

That memory and emotional memory of that time likely still weighs heavily in LeFraud’s mind, and he wants it back for at least one more run.

[BarberSchool]

Media routinely lies about Kyrie because he calls them out on their total bulshit all the timeSomething tells me that LeBron wants Kyrie back, and that LeBron is still underestimating just how much the media utterly hates Kyrie and wishes ill upon him. And that getting Kyrie back and then defending him from a hostile media, can serve several purposes, both in chemistry & motivation (us against the world).

It’s also LeBron’s big chance to actually be the figure of impact against injustice he dreamt he could be, by taking on the corrupt media machine who wants to silence his brother in arms.
Does LeBron have the real courage necessary to pull that off ? Doubtful. But there are many lines of action he can take to polish his resume before retiring, to be looked at (by THE PEOPLE, not the media) as an icon both on and off the court.

Re-uniting with Kyrie could do both, if they win, and navigate the media onslaught perfectly.

[King Baron]

Three injury prone stars on maxed out contracts. What happens if 1 or all 3 get injured at some point in the season? And if it means trading AD then it doesn't help the Lakers at all.

[Jasper]

i see a package deal ,, Lakers (Russell and some of their better role players like AD, and a couple draft picks should do it)



lol

[ArbitraryWater]

Three injury prone stars on maxed out contracts. What happens if 1 or all 3 get injured at some point in the season? And if it means trading AD then it doesn't help the Lakers at all.

nothings guaranteed in this league. youd obviously take that chance cause the promise/reward would be very high.