Future of NBA Contracts Might Ruin The NBA - Bill Simmons

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZU5ZzWkL0g

[Kblaze8855]

I’m listening to it now. The luxury tax keeping teams from signing buyout guys or trading first round picks was pretty underreported. The bought out vets are gonna have to mob up on the few low salary contenders or just play out their days on teams like the Hornets.

[Kblaze8855]

They have utterly ****ed the Warriors it seems. They pretty much can’t make any moves at their salary level. No more MLE, no trading picks, and can’t sign bought out bets for the minimum.

[Charlie Sheen]

Why would contenders want a late first round pick anymore? Second round pick gonna increase in value because minimum salaries would become more attractive than paying slot for a late first rounder.

[Patrick Chewing]

No more super teams. More parity. Build through the draft. Player salaries go down a bit cause they were getting out of hand. One player making $100 million dollars a year is where this would have been headed.

[Full Court]

No more super teams. More parity. Build through the draft. Player salaries go down a bit cause they were getting out of hand. One player making $100 million dollars a year is where this would have been headed.

This. Right now, the NBA is as competitive as I can ever remember it being. So whatever other heartburn it's causing, the luxury tax seems to be working as it was intended to.

[Kblaze8855]

No more super teams. More parity. Build through the draft. Player salaries go down a bit cause they were getting out of hand. One player making $100 million dollars a year is where this would have been headed.

It’s headed there anyway. Only one thing can stop it now that the cba is agreed to. Expansion. A good bit of it. The nba makes too much money to break it up over the number of players it has without getting to 100. The salaries are just a piece of the pie. And the piece has been set for like 7-8 years.

As it stands now…with the agreed raises and percentages? A Supermax signed maybe 3 years from now could have a final season pay of like 98 million. And that’s with cap smoothing which reduces its potential raises with revenue.

Ideally…it makes the league go to only maxing out the Lukas, Jokics, and Stephs in order to stay below that tier two taxpayer set of penalties but a team going for a ring is gonna go all in anyway. Just have a much shorter window.

I don’t know where they go from here. Maybe growth finally stops but once legal gambling is in all 50 states? I don’t know how it’s kept in check. They’re eventually gonna need a European division or get the players to drastically cut their percentage of revenue in return for other concessions. Can’t imagine what that would be.

A massive bump in pension payments and lower thresholds to earn it?

I dont know what players could want bad enough to accept a low enough split to keep salaries in check.

[Kblaze8855]

What sucks is teams like Golden state who just developed 3 max players might have to let their own talent go.

Simmons pointed out OKC. Ideal development out of their young guys they’ll have 3 guys making 50-70 million by the end of this CBA.

Of course the luxury tax goes up with the revenue/cap to offset some of it but is making small markets that draft well give up their stars the goal of anyone but the bigger markets who want to sign them?

[plowking]

I found it crazy that people here were actually complaining for players when the max contracts were at $20 million a year. People saying they weren't getting enough of the split of profits...

Now we're in a position where players are near billionaires off one contract and it has gone too far the other way.

They put a ball in a hoop for entertainment. They aren't saving lives for their job. They make more than enough outside of the game as well.

[Kblaze8855]

Bit of a misconception. From the 99 lockout on players got 57% of revenue till 2011 when it was 49-52 percent based on some changing factors.

If players made the same split they used to the contracts would be quite a bit bigger.

The owners have the sharing down near the pre 99 lockout levels and you’re still gonna see Tatum sign for 315 million.

It’s the internet, international rights, and soon….gambling will surpass a lot of it.The league wants nationwide online gambling and 1% of the take from licensed sports books.

You think it’s wild now. Wait till they have to factor in one percent of what degenerate gamblers will spend on draftkings and ceasers.

Brown will make more money than entire teams did in 2002 on a lesser split because the league revenue is up enough to pay it and it’s so outrageous neither side wants to upset it.

The owners knew dudes would make 75 million a season when they extended the cba. There’s a reason they don’t mind. It’s the players taking a smaller slice of a way bigger pie.

[Carbine]

This CBA is shitty.

The NBA is now the only league where drafting your own talent has no long term benefit. All it allows is to offer more money, but that's actually counter productive because it limits you even further. You should be rewarded for drafting 3 max guys. Now you can't do it without totally ****ing your 4-10 rotation of players because no money left.

It's going to help the truly best players in the league. When all the top teams have the same configuration (2 max players + role guys) it just makes the best players mean more.

[BigShotBob]

Owners will get around the max/supermax contracts by giving their players stakes/ownership in the team itself. Less money for the team to spend on the front end and the players get paid more in the back end.

[Kblaze8855]

The Pistons did that to get Isiah Thomas to sign the last contract he did there, but the NBA later overruled it. I think Pat Riley had one of those deals too.

[Clifton]

I have to assume there's a great reason I'm not seeing why home-grown talent is not allowed to count against the cap less. It's such an easy solution, and there are so many smart people in the room, that I have to think there's something I'm missing.

For example, starting year 5, a player counts 2-5% less against the cap each year- or whatever.

Identifying and drafting an all-star who's not a top-15 player in the lottery should be a GM's crowning achievement, not a franchise-destroying nightmare in 5-ish years (as this Jaylen Brown supermax is about to be under the current CBA, and as the Bradley Beal and John Wall contracts were for the Wizards). If I'm a fan of a team like the Pacers, and I'm drafting fourth, and I know the guy's not going to be the best player in the league, I have to think: "God, I hope he's not an all-star." "I hope he never makes 3rd team NBA, or we're ****ed." That sucks!

What is good about the Celtics, Warriors, and Nuggets having to blow up their cores within the next couple years?

[BigShotBob]

The Pistons did that to get Isiah Thomas to sign the last contract he did there, but the NBA later overruled it. I think Pat Riley had one of those deals too.

Hopefully they allow it because otherwise teams will never be able to maintain homegrown talent while stay competitive.