The Curry-ous case of Steph’s unclutchness

[FultzNationRISE]

How weird is it that the greatest shooter ever - by both statistics and consensus - is also the empirically least clutch shooter ever? He misses last shot opportunities like nobody’s business.

Granted, desperation shots are often low percentage shots, but we’re comparing him to other stars in the same situations. You have Lebron at the top of the clutch statistics, then MJ, then various guys like Durant, Reggie Miller, Carmelo, Lillard, Ray Allen and so on. And then toward the bottom you have guys like Shitbrook and then in the absolute basement you have Steph who is like 0/22 in these moments.

But for the first 46 minutes of the game he is the undisputed best shooter in the world.

Is there ANY kind of an explanation for that??

[Im Still Ballin]

Well, I'll be honest: he doesn't have the "package." He's not blessed like a certain someone that we know. Wink-wink, nudge-nudge.

[elementally morale]

At least part of the reason is he is getting too many opportunities. I mean: he almost always takes these shots. It backfires. Guys who did that was easier to guard in these situations and all of them missed uncharacteristically many, MJ included. Kobe, Jordan, Curry... you just know they won't pass the last shot. So they are defended like crazy.. and they put up the (bad) shot anyway. Players who are more of a threat to pass the ball (LeBron, Bird) or who are some of the time but not always the bailout shot maker have more clean looks (Ray Allen).

Always getting the ball and always being the last second shot taker is not a good thing, especially if you are not likely to pass in these situations (MJ, Kobe). You either shouldn't take all your teams' such shots or you should be a willing passer. Curry is somewhat of a passer but small. He cannot really pass out of a triple team. So he takes the really bad shot.

[Axe]

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[ArbitraryWater]

At least part of the reason is he is getting too many opportunities. I mean: he almost always takes these shots. It backfires. Guys who did that was easier to guard in these situations and all of them missed uncharacteristically many, MJ included. Kobe, Jordan, Curry... you just know they won't pass the last shot. So they are defended like crazy.. and they put up the (bad) shot anyway.

Um, MJ was 9/18 in game winning/tying shots last 24 seconds.

Kobe and Curry suck in them.


Dont put it down to defense. MJ and Bron thrived in these situations.

[elementally morale]

Um, MJ was 9/18 in game winning/tying shots last 24 seconds.

Kobe and Curry suck in them.


Dont put it down to defense. MJ and Bron thrived in these situations.


Jordan is better but he didn't always take the last shot. There was Paxson, Kerr, Kukoc, some other players. Plus MJ having been better than Kobe it's not that big of a surprise he made more. You need to be really explosive and decisive to make the last shot not uber-complicated. LeBron I think is better than some much better shooters than him comes down to two things: one being physical advantage (in a different way than MJ but an advantage is an advantage) and a willingness to pass and being tall enough and athletic enough to make that pass. Kobe and Curry shouldn't have taken virtually all the available shots. Had they taken 30% less, they would've been better at making them.

[ArbitraryWater]

Jordan is better but he didn't always take the last shot. There was Paxson, Kerr, Kukoc, some other players. Plus MJ having been better than Kobe it's not that big of a surprise he made more. You need to be really explosive and decisive to make the last shot not uber-complicated. LeBron I think is better than some much better shooters than him comes down to two things: one being physical advantage (in a different way than MJ but an advantage is an advantage) and a willingness to pass and being tall enough and athletic enough to make that pass. Kobe and Curry shouldn't have taken virtually all the available shots. Had they taken 30% less, they would've been better at making them.


You literally just used him as example as someone who the opponent knew would take the last shot and would thus be defended such way, and now you say he didnt always take the last shot.

MJ didnt have any more weapons at his disposal than Kobe.

Just because he passed off 2 shots to Paxson and Kerr (never Kukoc), doesnt make your analysis right.

Kobe was an idiot. He took the dumbest shots. Its real simple as to why he has the worst rate.

He would take wild turnaround 3s (Suns 2010) with time left for a better shot, take a 3 when they needed a 2, etc. and he just wasnt clutch.

[Axe]

You literally just used him as example as someone who the opponent knew would take the last shot and would thus be defended such way, and now you say he didnt always take the last shot.

MJ didnt have any more weapons at his disposal than Kobe.

Just because he passed off 2 shots to Paxson and Kerr (never Kukoc), doesnt make your analysis right.

Kobe was an idiot. He took the dumbest shots. Its real simple as to why he has the worst rate.

He would take wild turnaround 3s (Suns 2010) with time left for a better shot, take a 3 when they needed a 2, etc. and he just wasnt clutch.
This is accurate. Fans just ove thinking that doing difficult shots which led to misses more-often-than-not made him a hard-worker but in reaity, it came at the expense of snubbing his own team at times by ballhogging aso. The playoffs weren't an exception and it's why phil jackson was disappointed at him bt.

[elementally morale]

You literally just used him as example as someone who the opponent knew would take the last shot and would thus be defended such way, and now you say he didnt always take the last shot.

MJ didnt have any more weapons at his disposal than Kobe.

Just because he passed off 2 shots to Paxson and Kerr (never Kukoc), doesnt make your analysis right.

Kobe was an idiot. He took the dumbest shots. Its real simple as to why he has the worst rate.

He would take wild turnaround 3s (Suns 2010) with time left for a better shot, take a 3 when they needed a 2, etc. and he just wasnt clutch.

Where are you going with this? Thread is about Curry. Him having the worst rate. I used Kobe as an ill-advised shot taker. Too many shots, lots of them really bad. You are saying the same thing. Where is the disagreement? MJ had more weapons at his disposal though. Skillwise, not more. But superior athleticism and better judgement are both weapons. Anyway, why don't you say something about Curry? (If it were a Kobe vs. MJ thread I wouldn't have commented at all. That horse was beaten to death way WAY before you joined this board. It's just boring stuff in 2023)

[Stephonit]

It's simply a case of if you torture the data enough they'll confess to anything.

Also for Curry to find himself in a situation where he is still in a close game after 4 quarters is rare. If he was on a hot shooting night the game is usually over long before the final minute of regulation. Therefore games where it is close at the end tend to be games where Curry hasn't been shooting well the whole game. What's the stat that's being bandied about? 0-12? The dim bulbs out there are hyping up the zero but more discerning people will notice the 12 is actually probably a lower number than would be expected. Not surprising we aren't seeing comparisons to other players, that would put the kabosh to this idea pretty quickly.

[RRR3]

It's simply a case of if you torture the data enough they'll confess to anything.

Also for Curry to find himself in a situation where he is still in a close game after 4 quarters is rare. If he was on a hot shooting night the game is usually over long before the final minute of regulation. Therefore games where it is close at the end tend to be games where Curry hasn't been shooting well the whole game. What's the stat that's being bandied about? 0-12? The dim bulbs out there are hyping up the zero but more discerning people will notice the 12 is actually probably a lower number than would be expected. Not surprising we aren't seeing comparisons to other players, that would put the kabosh to this idea pretty quickly.
Surprised you ever showed your face here again after it was once again proven Curry is helpless against LeBron without Durant or LeBron's best teammate being Mozgov.

[Stephonit]

Surprised you ever showed your face here again after it was once again proven Curry is helpless against LeBron without Durant or LeBron's best teammate being Mozgov.

All I saw was LeBron being unable to win a series against Curry without referees leaving their fingerprints all over the series. 20+ more free throw attempts in each of three games in this last one. Impressive.

[hold this L]

Surprised you ever showed your face here again after it was once again proven Curry is helpless against LeBron without Durant or LeBron's best teammate being Mozgov.
That's an amazing dipshit answer considering AD was far and away the best player for the Lakers except for the last game. Congratulations to the King for another sweep :applause:

[RRR3]

All I saw was LeBron being unable to win a series against Curry without referees leaving their fingerprints all over the series. 20+ more free throw attempts in each of three games in this last one. Impressive.
But but the refs :cry:

Why didn't the refs help LeBron versus small market Denver?

[RRR3]

stop bullying my hero LeBron :cry: He just can't win without KD to save him
LeBron: 24.7/8.8/5.5 on 60.1 TS%
AD: 21.5/13.5/3.3 on 64.4 TS%

"Far and away doe". "But but but defense" Nah I'm never listening to that again for AD after he begged LeBron to guard Jokic for him :oldlol: (and LeBron did a far better job too :yaohappy:)


Also LeBron was injured. Everyone knows this. If he was healthy it's obvious he would have clearly outplayed AD considering it was close even with his injury. And the Warriors would probably have been swept.

[Stephonit]

But but the refs :cry:

Why didn't the refs help LeBron versus small market Denver?

Was there a single game in their series in which Denver had more free throw attempts? Answer: No.

[RRR3]

Was there a single game in their series in which Denver had more free throw attempts? Answer: No.
A child's way of analyzing reffing. Assuming all teams play the same way and all teams foul the same amount is delusional. Blaming the refs for Steph tossing up bricks is sad.

[tpols]

A child's way of analyzing reffing. Assuming all teams play the same way and all teams foul the same amount is delusional. Blaming the refs for Steph tossing up bricks is sad.


LeBron: 24.7/8.8/5.5 on 60.1 TS%
AD: 21.5/13.5/3.3 on 64.4 TS%

"Far and away doe". "But but but defense" Nah I'm never listening to that again for AD after he begged LeBron to guard Jokic for him :oldlol: (and LeBron did a far better job too :yaohappy:)


Also LeBron was injured. Everyone knows this. If he was healthy it's obvious he would have clearly outplayed AD considering it was close even with his injury. And the Warriors would probably have been swept.

22/14/3 on 64 TS with elite defense is far better than any star support Curry had.

You're being a clown right now.

[Charlie Sheen]

22/14/3 on 64 TS with elite defense is far better than any star support Curry had.

You're being a clown right now.

rrr is not wrong about the reffing...however I do not think he is giving enough consideration to how well the Lakers played against gs here. dlo, rui, reaves, etc picked up the slack for an obviously injured lebron. yes lebron would have played better if he wasnt injured, but i do not see how the Lakers would have played even better. wcf is a different story...They needed a healthier, younger lebron vs Denver after the clock struck midnight and some of those guys turned into pumpkins.

[RRR3]

22/14/3 on 64 TS with elite defense is far better than any star support Curry had.

You're being a clown right now.
LeGod maximized AD’s talent while Curry minimized his superstar teammates. Next.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Which is why he isn't the best shooter ever. Gotta have those clutch shots. Those impossible shots.

Give me Ray, Miller, Durant, Klay, Bron, Nash, Bird, and many others over him every day of the week.

Also, Murray shoots better from 3 in the playoffs than Curry career wise. Give me him too. Give me Murray overall over Curry as a player.. easily. Easily.

[hold this L]

LeBron: 24.7/8.8/5.5 on 60.1 TS%
AD: 21.5/13.5/3.3 on 64.4 TS%

"Far and away doe". "But but but defense" Nah I'm never listening to that again for AD after he begged LeBron to guard Jokic for him :oldlol: (and LeBron did a far better job too :yaohappy:)


Also LeBron was injured. Everyone knows this. If he was healthy it's obvious he would have clearly outplayed AD considering it was close even with his injury. And the Warriors would probably have been swept.

A lot of ifs ifs ifs. I'm talking about this season dumbass, AD is the clear cut best player. It's not even remotely close. Maybe next season healthy Bron is the better player, but he was nowhere near as good as AD this PS.
-11 on the court when Lebron is on and AD is off
+4 on the court when AD is on and Lebron is off


Lebron has one of the GOAT on/off impact players in NBA history. His defense was ass throughout the playoffs and his offense was stiffed because he was settling for 3s and shooting at an atrocious level.

[hold this L]

rrr is not wrong about the reffing...however I do not think he is giving enough consideration to how well the Lakers played against gs here. dlo, rui, reaves, etc picked up the slack for an obviously injured lebron. yes lebron would have played better if he wasnt injured, but i do not see how the Lakers would have played even better. wcf is a different story...They needed a healthier, younger lebron vs Denver after the clock struck midnight and some of those guys turned into pumpkins.
Warriors were damaged goods this entire season. There were so many problems it takes a while just to list them all. You have to give props to the Lakers but there were so many things wrong this season (maybe the dynasty is over), that Lakers winning made a lot of sense in retrospect. Warriors need a soft reboot this summer and hopefully get a motivated team playing for next season.

Not whatever the **** we saw in display for the entirety of the year.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Warriors were damaged goods this entire season. There were so many problems it takes a while just to list them all. You have to give props to the Lakers but there were so many things wrong this season (maybe the dynasty is over), that Lakers winning made a lot of sense in retrospect. Warriors need a soft reboot this summer and hopefully get a motivated team playing for next season.

Not whatever the **** we saw in display for the entirety of the year.

It sucks to win a cheap ring and follow it up with a stinker.... they did the same thing in 2016 after winning a bogus one. And then the Durant years sandwiched in that nobody but Durant fans can take credit for.


Damn.. must be tough for you. Can't even celebrate a "dynasty". That's crazy. You literally cannot celebrate any of Curry's rings.


Hang in there bro

[RRR3]

A lot of ifs ifs ifs. I'm talking about this season dumbass, AD is the clear cut best player. It's not even remotely close. Maybe next season healthy Bron is the better player, but he was nowhere near as good as AD this PS.
-11 on the court when Lebron is on and AD is off
+4 on the court when AD is on and Lebron is off


Lebron has one of the GOAT on/off impact players in NBA history. His defense was ass throughout the playoffs and his offense was stiffed because he was settling for 3s and shooting at an atrocious level.
LeBron had a better EPM and RPM and on/off during the regular season, you know when he was actually healthy. And using sample sizes from such a tiny number of games is dumb and you should know this. Not sure what playoffs you watched if you think LeBron wasn't playing defense :facepalm

Not that Curry fans know what defense looks like, your hero was getting abused by the likes of Schroder :roll:

[hold this L]

It sucks to win a cheap ring and follow it up with a stinker.... they did the same thing in 2016 after winning a bogus one. And then the Durant years sandwiched in that nobody but Durant fans can take credit for.


Damn.. must be tough for you. Can't even celebrate a "dynasty". That's crazy. You literally cannot celebrate any of Curry's rings.


Hang in there bro
Don't mention me you 70 pound virgin. There's enough Steph Curry topics for you to cry on relentlessly as he lives rent free in your head.

[RRR3]

Don't mention me you 70 pound virgin. There's enough Steph Curry topics for you to cry on relentlessly as he lives rent free in your head.
I'm on your side here just because that guy is a fascist. Not exaggerating, dude was suggesting we gas chamber trans people :wtf:

[hold this L]

LeBron had a better EPM and RPM and on/off during the regular season, you know when he was actually healthy. And using sample sizes from such a tiny number of games is dumb and you should know this. Not sure what playoffs you watched if you think LeBron wasn't playing defense :facepalm

Not that Curry fans know what defense looks like, your hero was getting abused by the likes of Schroder :roll:

Schroeder had one good offensive game. Lebron is lazy defensively nowadays, which makes sense because he's like 90 years old in basketball years. He still has some great moments in help defense or a few plays here and there but gets constantly caught out of position or sleeping defensively, or not even bothering to put his hand up. I know that because Draymond has already started doing this and is only 33 years old. Still has elite moments but you notice all the lazy ass moments that they take plays off to save themselves.

I have no idea why you're so f*cking insecure about Lebron. I'm not even disputing that he can come back as a 39 year old and be the best player for the Lakers again. But this postseason he clearly was nowhere near as good as AD, unless you're a box score watching doughnut. Unfortunately you can't flex about it being even, because then you just sound like a retard. Stop trolling, and enjoy the W that you had a few weeks ago. :banana:

[hold this L]

I'm on your side here just because that guy is a fascist. Not exaggerating, dude was suggesting we gas chamber trans people :wtf:
https://media.tenor.com/_2fwEYnCisQAAAAC/im-not-even-surprised-preacher-lawson.gif

The type of people we see on ish are crazy

[Axe]

Warriors were damaged goods this entire season. There were so many problems it takes a while just to list them all. You have to give props to the Lakers but there were so many things wrong this season (maybe the dynasty is over), that Lakers winning made a lot of sense in retrospect. Warriors need a soft reboot this summer and hopefully get a motivated team playing for next season.

Not whatever the **** we saw in display for the entirety of the year.
Lol you guys still act like 4 rings in six finals aren't enough until now. Your team got ousted as defending champions this time. Just accept the L and move on.