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3ba11
06-02-2023, 12:41 PM
98' Pippen...... 19 on 45% (top 50 all-time)
99' Pippen...... 14 on 43% (top 1500 all-time)

The reason this is possible is because Pippen was never top 50 all-time

his peak capability was about 20 ppg of system points, and only 14 ppg outside the system in 89' or 99'..

Cowherd accurately described Pippen as "a great athlete, hustler, transition player and defender - but he's not the guy you drew up plays for".. Shaq confirmed this by saying Pippen's low peak capability didn't require gameplanning (not on scouting report), which required MJ to defeat max defensive attention (carry scoring load) and average 5 more points than all the best scorers in playoff history (Kobe, KD, Lebron, West, etc)... aka pippen wasn't the "ideal" or "perfect" sidekick that casuals claim.

HighFlyer23
06-02-2023, 12:46 PM
98' Pippen...... 19 on 45% (top 50 all-time)
99' Pippen...... 14 on 43% (top 1500 all-time)

The reason this is possible is because Pippen was never top 50 all-time

his peak capability was about 20 ppg of system points, and only 14 ppg outside the system in 89' or 99'..

Cowherd accurately described Pippen as "a great athlete, hustler, transition player and defender - but he's not the guy you drew up plays for".. Shaq confirmed this by saying Pippen's low peak capability didn't require gameplanning (not on scouting report), which required MJ to defeat max defensive attention (carry scoring load) and average 5 more points than all the best scorers in playoff history (Kobe, KD, Lebron, West, etc), aka pippen wasn't the "ideal" or "perfect" sidekick that casuals claim.


Can you ****ing killl yourself already

Overdrive
06-02-2023, 12:48 PM
Interesting. Never seen this post before.

The real question is: How many championships would the 90s Utah Jazz have did wons with Pippen?

3ba11
06-02-2023, 12:54 PM
Interesting. Never seen this post before.

The real question is: How many championships would the 90s Utah Jazz have did wons with Pippen?


Pippen was a 5-assist guy, so that's about 1/3 of what the Jazz needed because the Jazz required goat playmaking, floor generalship and APG from their 2nd best player..

Otherwise they would never even contend.

People forget that Stockton hit the legendary walk-off in Barkley's face in the 97' WCF and averaged 21/11 to lead the Jazz to the 97' Finals.. Meanwhile, Terry Porter shot 53% on threes (6 attempts) and averaged 26/4/8 in the 92' WCF to lead the Blazers to the Finals..

aka most 90's sidekicks were infact 1b's that could dominate and take over with dominant scoring or assists - ONLY PIPPEN couldn't do this and never achieved elite scoring or assists in any series (system player)

Hey Yo
06-02-2023, 12:59 PM
MJ:

I wouldn't have cameback to the Bulls if Pippen was traded for Kemp in 94


https://www.basketballnetwork.net/old-school/michael-jordan-says-there-wouldve-been-no-comeback-if-scottie-pippen-was-traded-for-shawn-kemp


He knew.... no Pip, no chip

Phoenix
06-02-2023, 01:10 PM
Can you ****ing killl yourself already

And rob us of seeing him get 'banned' once a week? I won't hear of it!

3ba11
06-02-2023, 08:18 PM
MJ:

I wouldn't have cameback to the Bulls if Pippen was traded for Kemp in 94


https://www.basketballnetwork.net/old-school/michael-jordan-says-there-wouldve-been-no-comeback-if-scottie-pippen-was-traded-for-shawn-kemp


He knew.... no Pip, no chip


Everyone agrees that MJ is the worst judge of talent in history - the GOAT was the WOAT talent-evaluator - this is common knowledge, so his endorsement of Pippen is evidence of Pippen's low caliber, similar to MJ's endorsements of Kwame or Adam Morrison.

The only reason MJ praises Pippen is because Pippen was just enough crap to win with - it didn't matter how badly Pippen played - he was the first player to arrive that was just enough for Jordan to win with.

And see that's the problem with you guys - you punish MJ for winning with the first all-star he ever had, and KEPT winning, so he never needed another one..

MJ set the standard for the least help needed to have a dynasty (1 all-star), and you guys punish him for it, while rewarding guys that needed 5-10 all-star teammates like Kareem, Lebron, Shaq, Magic or Duncan.. But regardless of how many all-star teammates everyone had, no one was capable of multiple 3-peats or 6 chips as the best player regardless of lineup, aka objectively inferior to MJ

Baller789
06-02-2023, 10:01 PM
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