View Full Version : Do you see how hard it is to win with only 18 points from sidekick?
3ba11
06-04-2023, 11:20 PM
Only the GOAT won that way AS A STANDARD - other guys only did it in one-off fashion
SATAN
06-04-2023, 11:21 PM
You are a certified dickhead.
3ba11
06-04-2023, 11:25 PM
You are a certified dickhead.
Prime Wade/Bosh couldn't win with that crap in the 11' Finals either - only MJ could routinely win with that
1987_Lakers
06-04-2023, 11:25 PM
Amazed Hakeem won with a 13 ppg 2nd option in '94. MJ would NEVER do that.
3ba11
06-04-2023, 11:29 PM
Amazed Hakeem won with a 13 ppg 2nd option in '94. MJ would NEVER do that.
That was 13 ppg on great efficiency and clutch, while MJ won 2 Finals with 15.7 on worst-ever efficiency and clutch from a sidekick..
Pippen had the worst efficiency ever for a playoff run of 15 games and 35 mpg - he did this twice in 96' and 98'
But the point is that only jordan ROUTINELY won with 18 from a sidekick - everyone else did it in one-off fashion
Btw, Pippen is also 0/6 in matching Horry's gamescore from the 95' Finals, so Hakeem had far more help in 95' than MJ ever had
SouBeachTalents
06-04-2023, 11:30 PM
And LeBron won with Wade averaging less than 16 for the entire playoffs
:lebronamazed:
1987_Lakers
06-04-2023, 11:34 PM
That was 13 ppg on great efficiency and clutch
Maxwell: 37 fg% in the finals.
Do you ever stop lying?
FultzNationRISE
06-04-2023, 11:35 PM
1-9
Along Came Scottie
3ba11
06-04-2023, 11:35 PM
And LeBron won with Wade averaging less than 16 for the entire playoffs
:lebronamazed:
Lebron never won a Finals with less than 20 from a sidekick (19.6) and only averaged 2-5 more than his sidekick for his 4 Finals wins
Again, only MJ routinely won with 18 from a sidekick - that was MJ's standard, while everyone else can only do it in one-off fashion
Hey Yo
06-04-2023, 11:36 PM
That was 13 ppg on great efficiency and clutch, while MJ won 2 Finals with 15.7 on worst-ever efficiency and clutch from a sidekick..
Pippen had the worst efficiency ever for a playoff run of 15 games and 35 mpg - he did this twice in 96' and 98'
But the point is that only jordan ROUTINELY won with 18 from a sidekick - everyone else did it in one-off fashion
Btw, Pippen is also 0/6 in matching Horry's gamescore from the 95' Finals, so Hakeem had far more help in 95' than MJ ever had
Was Hakeem's sidekick voted All-defensive that year?
tpols
06-04-2023, 11:38 PM
Amazed Hakeem won with a 13 ppg 2nd option in '94. MJ would NEVER do that.
Ewing didnt have a much better 2nd option. Starks shit the bed.
SouBeachTalents
06-04-2023, 11:39 PM
Ewing didnt have a much better 2nd option. Starks shit the bed.
He still played MUCH better than Maxwell did in that series, Harper did too. The crazy thing is they win Game 6 Starks would've been FMVP :lol
1987_Lakers
06-04-2023, 11:42 PM
Ewing didnt have a much better 2nd option. Starks shit the bed.
wtf? Knicks had 3 guys who outscored Maxwell. Why are Bron haters so dumb?
3ba11
06-04-2023, 11:43 PM
Maxwell: 37 fg% in the finals.
Do you ever stop lying?
The OP says that other guys did it in ONE-OFF FASHION, and you respond by posting a one-off that occurred when MJ wasn't in the league... :rolleyes:
MJ is the only guy that won with 18 from a sidekick AS A STANDARD - everyone else did so in one-off fashion or couldn't do it at all (Lebron).
Btw, Pippen is 0/6 in matching Horry's gamescore from the 95' Finals, so Hakeem had more help in 95' than Jordan ever had
tpols
06-04-2023, 11:44 PM
He still played MUCH better than Maxwell did in that series, Harper did too. The crazy thing is they win Game 6 Starks would've been FMVP :lol
He shot 2-18 in Game 7. That's unbelievable.
SouBeachTalents
06-04-2023, 11:44 PM
The OP says that other guys did it in ONE-OFF FASHION, and how do you respond???? By posting a one-off that occurred when MJ wasn't in the league... :rolleyes:
MJ is the only guy that won with 18 from a sidekick AS A STANDARD - everyone else did so in one-off fashion or couldn't do it at all (Lebron).
Btw, Pippen is 0/6 in matching Horry's gamescore from the 95' Finals, so Hakeem had more help in 95' than Jordan ever had
Nope, Duncan won 3 in that fashion.
1987_Lakers
06-04-2023, 11:45 PM
The OP says that other guys did it in ONE-OFF FASHION, and you respond by posting a one-off that occurred when MJ wasn't in the league... :rolleyes:
And you responded by posting a LIE. "Great efficiency".
:oldlol:
3ba11
06-04-2023, 11:48 PM
And you responded by posting a LIE. "Great efficiency".
:oldlol:
Your post supported the OP by posting a one-off
My response was 100% correct except the efficiency part - Maxwell was amazingly clutch
Regardless, you get the point- only the GOAT won with weak stats from a sidekick AS A STANDARD, while anyone else did it in one-off fashion or couldn't do it at all (lefraud)
1987_Lakers
06-04-2023, 11:51 PM
Your post supported the OP by posting a one-off
My response was 100% correct except the efficiency part - Maxwell was amazingly clutch
Regardless, you get the point- only the GOAT won with weak stats from a sidekick AS A STANDARD, while anyone else did it in one-off fashion or couldn't do it at all (lefraud)
Why did you lie?
3ba11
06-04-2023, 11:55 PM
Why did you lie?
It was an assumption, not a lie and it didn't change the point being made (that only the GOAT can routinely win Finals with 18 from a sidekick)
And why did your post attempt to refute the OP but infact support the OP by providing examples of everyone else's one-off capability compared to the GOATS standard capability???
1987_Lakers
06-05-2023, 12:02 AM
It was an assumption
You assumed wrong.
3ba11
06-05-2023, 12:03 AM
Nope, Duncan won 3 in that fashion.
So Duncan is the only guy that sniffs MJ's ability to win with less?
And I think one of those Finals saw a franchise player teammate win FMVP (kawhi), while another Final was won with another franchise player at sidekick (robinson)
Accordingly, only the GOAT fulfills the criteria of routinely winning with weak scoring help and supplementary players as teammates (not franchise players)
3ba11
06-05-2023, 12:04 AM
You assumed wrong.
it didn't change the point being made (that only the GOAT can routinely win with less help.like what Jokic had tonight
And why did your post attempt to refute the OP but infact support the OP by providing examples of everyone else's one-off capability compared to the GOATS standard capability???
SouBeachTalents
06-05-2023, 12:06 AM
So Duncan is the only guy that sniffs MJ's ability to win with less?
And I think one of those Finals saw a franchise player teammate win FMVP (kawhi), while another Final saw Duncan win with another franchise player at sidekick (robinson)
Accordingly, only the GOAT fulfills the criteria of routinely winning with weak scoring help and supplementary players as teammates (not franchise players)
Duncan's '03 title was more impressive than any of Jordan's. Led the team in points, assists, rebounds & blocks and won with his 2nd option averaging less than 15 ppg on 47%TS.
stacked team
But the team, led by Scottie Pippen and an increased role from both Horace Grant and B. J. Armstrong were able to lead the Bulls to a 55-win season, only 2 wins less than the 1992-93 team, which had Jordan.
https://www.nba.com/bulls/history/pippen-stood-tall-without-jordan-1993-94
grocery bagging rivals
https://i.postimg.cc/k5pXdN5h/Rivalry-Decade.jpg
3ba11
06-05-2023, 12:29 AM
Duncan's '03 title was more impressive than any of Jordan's. Led the team in points, assists, rebounds & blocks and won with his 2nd option averaging less than 15 ppg on 47%TS.
Duncan only needing 24 ppg due to superior offensive help, such as 3 HOF teammates with Pippen-level scoring ability that split the scoring duty (Parker, Robinson, Ginobili... and also Stephen Jackson)
So no one carried the scoring load like Jordan, who also led in assists and steals for various title runs (and blocks in 91') and he was basically tied with Rodman for the rebounding lead in 97' Playoffs (7.9 to 8.3).. that's unbelievable for a shooting guard..
plowking
06-05-2023, 12:31 AM
That was 13 ppg on great efficiency and clutch, while MJ won 2 Finals with 15.7 on worst-ever efficiency and clutch from a sidekick..
Pippen had the worst efficiency ever for a playoff run of 15 games and 35 mpg - he did this twice in 96' and 98'
But the point is that only jordan ROUTINELY won with 18 from a sidekick - everyone else did it in one-off fashion
Btw, Pippen is also 0/6 in matching Horry's gamescore from the 95' Finals, so Hakeem had far more help in 95' than MJ ever had
The amount of BS that is spewed by this guy.
Basketball isn't just numbers and X's and O's.
Tony Parker and Ginobili weren't in their primes in 03, 3ball is retarded. You can't just name names and act like it's their prime version or else I can easily counter by saying MJ got destroyed by the Pistons despite having Pippen and Grant.
3ba11
06-05-2023, 12:33 AM
stacked team
https://www.nba.com/bulls/history/pippen-stood-tall-without-jordan-1993-94
Pippen inherited a fully-grown 3-peat dynasty in 94' but he simply wasn't a franchise player, so any team with him as the best scorer will fall out of contention QUICKLY due to lack of talent, even a 3-peat dynasty like we saw in 95'
I would love to see jordan go up against a long-armed defender like kawhi
man was lighting up midgets - just look how small starks is compared to him
https://i.postimg.cc/k5pXdN5h/Rivalry-Decade.jpg
Pippen inherited a fully-grown 3-peat dynasty in 94' but he simply wasn't a franchise player, so any team with him as the best scorer will fall out of contention QUICKLY due to lack of talent, even a 3-peat dynasty like we saw in 95'
They lost Grant after 94 you braindead buffoon. So now Pippen is supposed to win 55 games without his second option? :facepalm
Pippen inherited a fully-grown 3-peat dynasty in 94' but he simply wasn't a franchise player, so any team with him as the best scorer will fall out of contention QUICKLY due to lack of talent, even a 3-peat dynasty like we saw in 95'
you're dropping jordan down the GOAT rankings with every post
there is a reason why no one respects baldan any more - they read your posts
3ba11
06-05-2023, 12:41 AM
Tony Parker and Ginobili weren't in their primes in 03, 3ball is retarded. You can't just name names and act like it's their prime version or else I can easily counter by saying MJ got destroyed by the Pistons despite having Pippen and Grant.
Jordan won with guys out of their prime because fossil Rodman averaged 3/8 for the entire 97' Playoffs (Jordan tied him in RPG) and wasn't the starter in the 98' Playoffs
Meanwhile, Pippen averaged 16.8 with the worst efficiency anyone ever had in the 96' and 98' Playoffs.
Regardless, the 03" Spurs had deluxe players at every spot compared to the Bulls role players - Parker, Robinson, Manu, Jackson and Bowen are simply better than Horace, Cartwright and Paxson
3ba11
06-05-2023, 12:44 AM
They lost Grant after 94 you braindead buffoon. So now Pippen is supposed to win 55 games without his second option? :facepalm
Horace was never a scoring option, so the Bulls never had a talented cast and only won 55 because they were a fully-grown 3-peat dynasty
But Pippen wasn't a franchise player, so any team with Pippen as the best scorer will fall out of contention QUICKLY due to lack of talent, as we saw in 95 '
plowking
06-05-2023, 12:50 AM
Horace was never a scoring option, so the Bulls never had a talented cast and only won 55 because they were a fully-grown 3-peat dynasty
But Pippen wasn't a franchise player, so any team with Pippen as the best scorer will fall out of contention QUICKLY due to lack of talent, as we saw in 95 '
You don't need to score as much to beat the other team when you have all the best defenders your whole career.
3ba11
06-05-2023, 12:54 AM
You don't need to score as much to beat the other team when you have all the best defenders your whole career.
The Bulls had the worst rim protection in a "rim protection format" and league, which is why they had weaker team defenses than their ECF and Finals opponents during the 1st three-peat
So no
plowking
06-05-2023, 12:56 AM
it didn't change the point being made (that only the GOAT can routinely win with less help.like what Jokic had tonight
And why did your post attempt to refute the OP but infact support the OP by providing examples of everyone else's one-off capability compared to the GOATS standard capability???
Do you even like basketball or are you just ghey for MJ?
Legitimate question.
ImKobe
06-05-2023, 12:56 AM
They lost Grant after 94 you braindead buffoon. So now Pippen is supposed to win 55 games without his second option? :facepalm
If he was a top 5 player like you guys claimed he wouldn't have been fighting to stay at .500 without Jordan in '95
Apparently he was as good as D-Rob, who led scrubs to 50-60 win seasons in the mid-90s lol
If he was a top 5 player like you guys claimed he wouldn't have been fighting to stay at .500 without Jordan in '95
Apparently he was as good as D-Rob, who led scrubs to 50-60 win seasons in the mid-90s lol
Agreeing with snivelball. SNIVELLBALL. That's how bad LeBron ruined you.
ImKobe
06-05-2023, 01:05 AM
Agreeing with snivelball. SNIVELLBALL. That's how bad LeBron ruined you.
3ball is arguably the best poster on this site.
3ball is arguably the best poster on this site.
This is the single worst post of all time.
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