What will San Francisco look like in 10 years?

[Long Duck Dong]

The owner of the largest hotel(and the 4th largest) in downtown San Francisco will stop making mortgage payments this year because they don't think crime, homelessness and the business coming back after COVID will get better anytime soon. Already half of the businesses in downtown have closed since COVID. 107 out of 203. 12 businesses have opened in their place but already 3 of those have closed since opening.

The violent and property crime index is higher in San Francisco than LA now.

What will San Francisco look like in 10 years?

[BigKobeFan]

The owner of the largest hotel(and the 4th largest) in downtown San Francisco will stop making mortgage payments this year because they don't think crime, homelessness and the business coming back after COVID will get better anytime soon. Already half of the businesses in downtown have closed since COVID. 107 out of 203. 12 businesses have opened in their place but already 3 of those have closed since opening.

The violent and property crime index is higher in San Francisco than LA now.

What will San Francisco look like in 10 years?

F them. They deserve every bit of it

[Patrick Chewing]

When you literally have a poop map in your city, there is only one correct answer. It will turn into one giant shit.


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https://imageio.forbes.com/blogs-images/adamandrzejewski/files/2019/04/Forbes_Frequent-SF-Feces-final.jpg

[Off the Court]

SF has the highest cost of living in the country. So if no one wants to be there rent and house prices will collapse and then people will be able to afford life and not be homeless, the problem will remedy itself.

That is how capitalism works.


My guess is that in 10 years SF will be very similar to what it is right now, a mix of extremely wealthy people and homeless addicts. No middle ground.

[Off the Court]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czICGC7tFXo


Here is a full walkthrough of downtown SF done just 2 weeks ago.

[Long Duck Dong]

SF has the highest cost of living in the country. So if no one wants to be there rent and house prices will collapse and then people will be able to afford life and not be homeless, the problem will remedy itself.

That is how capitalism works.


My guess is that in 10 years SF will be very similar to what it is right now, a mix of extremely wealthy people and homeless addicts. No middle ground.

I don't think even you honestly believe that anyone who's paying rent or capable of buying a house in San Francisco if prices were slashed by half is going to be homeless or that any significant number of homeless are all of sudden going to going to start buying homes or paying reduced rents on homes that are even a fraction of the price they are now

[Off the Court]

I don't think even you honestly believe that anyone who's paying rent or capable of buying a house in San Francisco if prices were slashed by half is going to be homeless or that any significant number of homeless are all of sudden going to going to start buying homes or paying reduced rents on homes that are even a fraction of the price they are now
There is a direct correlation between cost of living and homeless rate. Do you think it's a coincidence that SF has the highest cost of living?

Weather is also a huge factor. NYC has a similar cost of living but the winter is so brutal that homeless are forced to shelter or they die.

[jstern]

I voted for, It's going to turn into a shithole.

I hope Walk on Water gets the hell out of there.

[Patrick Chewing]

I had a feeling Off the Court would come into this thread and defend that miserable shithole city and state.

[FultzNationRISE]

There is a direct correlation between cost of living and homeless rate. Do you think it's a coincidence that SF has the highest cost of living?

Weather is also a huge factor. NYC has a similar cost of living but the winter is so brutal that homeless are forced to shelter or they die.


Not in Beverly Hills or in the suburbs of most cities.

The correlation isnt about cost of living, it’s about population density. Dense urban regions have enough people/services to support the homeless, and due to limited real estate in city centers also happen to be often pricey.

It has nothing to do with someone in an 800k penthouse getting priced out when it hits 900k and suddenly he ends up living in rags on the street :roll:

[Long Duck Dong]

There is a direct correlation between cost of living and homeless rate. Do you think it's a coincidence that SF has the highest cost of living?

Weather is also a huge factor. NYC has a similar cost of living but the winter is so brutal that homeless are forced to shelter or they die.

This is just rhetoric. I think you'd take back the bolded part if you could.

The biggest correlation is homeless flocking to areas where guilty liberals feel they need to support and tolerate excessive numbers of homeless. I forget the exact figures but Texas and Florida has shed around 25% and 55% of their homeless numbers respectively in the last 10 years With all the people moving to their states, the cost of living hasn't gone down

Edit: What Fultz said....

[warriorfan]

san francisco isn’t that bad. you guys are falling for the fake news

[Patrick Chewing]

The homelessness and the poop are fake??

[warriorfan]

The homelessness and the poop are fake??

San Francisco and a good part of the west coast has always had homeless people. It isn’t anything new. Where else in the country can you survive outside year long comfortably? There’s a reason why they end up migrating here.

[Off the Court]

Not in Beverly Hills or in the suburbs of most cities.

The correlation isnt about cost of living, it’s about population density. Dense urban regions have enough people/services to support the homeless, and due to limited real estate in city centers also happen to be often pricey.

It has nothing to do with someone in an 800k penthouse getting priced out when it hits 900k and suddenly he ends up living in rags on the street :roll:

https://39669.cdn.cke-cs.com/rQvD3VnunXZu34m86e5f/images/949a0bdcffed34395b1dfd6a2d64c87ded76de185fd8f0a1.p ng/w_1020

The suburbs of those cities are gated communities. And they are usually hugging the polar opposite. Why are you talking out of your ass on this, you usual don't do that.

[Nanners]

Not in Beverly Hills or in the suburbs of most cities.

The correlation isnt about cost of living, it’s about population density. Dense urban regions have enough people/services to support the homeless, and due to limited real estate in city centers also happen to be often pricey.

It has nothing to do with someone in an 800k penthouse getting priced out when it hits 900k and suddenly he ends up living in rags on the street :roll:

Obviously homelessness is not just about cost of living or population density. Eugene Oregon has much higher rate of homeless per capita than Tokyo Japan, despite the fact that Eugene has a tiny fraction of Tokyos population density and cost of living.

Homelessness is really about culture and govt policy. The major west coast cities like SF, LA, Seattle, Portland, etc... are currently encouraging the proliferation of homelessness due to their cultural and political beliefs/structure. The reason Eugene and the rest of the US west coast have so many more homeless than Tokyo does is because in Tokyo the police actually enforce basic laws like theft and loitering, and because culturally the Japanese have a massive negative social stigma towards the homelessness while the libtard pacific states think every homeless person is just a temporarily embarrassed former CEO.

[Nanners]

Anyway in regard to the OP question, I think San Francisco is just too great and wealthy of a city to deteriorate like the once great cities of the rust belt (Detroit/Cleveland/etc) were allowed to. I would bet that in the not so distant future, San Fran is going to crack down hard on the homeless and petty crime.

New York became insanely dirty and dangerous in the 70s-80s, but during the 90s-00s NY got strict and cleaned up their shit and today there are cops everywhere in NYC and the city has a fairly low number of homelessness and petty criminality (maybe not the whole city, but manhattan at least). I expect the same thing is going to happen to SF, eventually the wealthy libtard residents will step in one too many piles of shit and there will be a massive crackdown... and ultimately the city will become the same sort of police-state theme-park for the ultra-rich that most of manhattan is today.

[Patrick Chewing]

Call me cruel and crazy, but I would solely travel to San Francisco just to defecate on the street and compound the problem more. I like to see Liberal cities suffer. The only redemption a city like San Francisco needs is via a complete turnaround in political views and ideology. So as long as San Francisco continues to vote Democrat, I will continue to want to visit there and poop on several street corners to add to the poop that's already there.

[Nanners]

Call me cruel and crazy, but I would solely travel to San Francisco just to defecate on the street and compound the problem more. I like to see Liberal cities suffer. The only redemption a city like San Francisco needs is via a complete turnaround in political views and ideology. So as long as San Francisco continues to vote Democrat, I will continue to want to visit there and poop on several street corners to add to the poop that's already there.

SF can go **** itself imo (and it does), but thats still not very cool bro... should I visit NYC and shit on your streets just because Mayor Adams is a retarded ***?

[Patrick Chewing]

SF can go **** itself imo (and it does), but thats still not very cool bro... should I visit NYC and shit on your streets just because Mayor Adams is a retarded ***?

Hey when you gotta go, you gotta go!

[Nanners]

Hey when you gotta go, you gotta go!

say what you will about portland, but at least in my shit hole city the bums have enough common courtesy to shit on the grass... we need to build a wall around NY and SF and keep the sidewalk turds contained!

[Off the Court]

New York, California, Oregon all in top-5 cost of living and homeless rate

The states with the lowest cost of living like Mississippi also have the lowest homeless rates.

All coincidence I'm sure

Average rent in SF is $3,600, in Mississippi it is $1,350 (according to Zillow)

You can drive an Amazon truck in Mississippi and get by just fine.



Here is the important part though, Mississippi has the highest murder rate in the US at 20.5 per 100,000 ( the murder rate in SF is only 6.9)

[Patrick Chewing]

say what you will about portland, but at least in my shit hole city the bums have enough common courtesy to shit on the grass... we need to build a wall around NY and SF and keep the sidewalk turds contained!

Hmm are you thinking what I'm thinking? Poop/fertilizer zones throughout cities? Kind of like those zones where you can shoot up safely that was also a San Francisco thing? San Francisco, for all the criticism it deserves is actually on the cutting edge of things. I'm not sure what the San Francisco motto is, but it should be "City of Progress".

[Nanners]

New York, California, Oregon all in top-5 cost of living and homeless rate

The states with the lowest cost of living like Mississippi also have the lowest homeless rates.

All coincidence I'm sure

Average rent in SF is $3,600, in Mississippi it is $1,350 (according to Zillow)

You can drive an Amazon truck in Mississippi and get by just fine.



Here is the important part though, Mississippi has the highest murder rate in the US at 20.5 per 100,000 ( the murder rate in SF is only 6.9)

Oregon is not even close to being top-5 in cost of living nationwide, and cost of living is not a predictable indicator for homelessness anyway, especially internationally. Tokyo is MUCH more expensive than any city in Oregon, and yet they have virtually zero homeless problems while tents are virtually everywhere in Portland.

[Nanners]

Hmm are you thinking what I'm thinking? Poop/fertilizer zones throughout cities? Kind of like those zones where you can shoot up safely that was also a San Francisco thing? San Francisco, for all the criticism it deserves is actually on the cutting edge of things. I'm not sure what the San Francisco motto is, but it should be "City of Progress".

"shitty of progress" would be a more accurate motto :oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

"shitty of progress" would be a more accurate motto :oldlol:

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[Off the Court]

Oregon is not even close to being top-5 in cost of living nationwide, and cost of living is not a predictable indicator for homelessness anyway, especially internationally. Tokyo is MUCH more expensive than any city in Oregon, and yet they have virtually zero homeless problems while tents are virtually everywhere in Portland.

https://wisevoter.com/state-rankings/cost-of-living-by-state/#:~:text=informed%20financial%20decisions.-,States%20With%20Highest%20Cost%20of%20Living,of%2 0living%20index%20of%20184.

Oregon is #5 overall when you exclude Hawaii and Alaska

Japan has a much lower cost of living than the US, they have ghost towns in Japan

There is a very direct correlation, you can ignore it if you want to and pretend Dems did it but that isn't what is happening. Mississippi is littered with meth heads, it's just that their meth heads can afford rent on a Amazon driver salary.

[Off the Court]

Japan is an anomaly to most things anyway. They were the only country that actually needed a higher inflation rate during covid. Should I point to them and declare that inflation helps?

They are a unique country that is under unique circumstances.

[Nanners]

https://wisevoter.com/state-rankings/cost-of-living-by-state/#:~:text=informed%20financial%20decisions.-,States%20With%20Highest%20Cost%20of%20Living,of%2 0living%20index%20of%20184.

Oregon is #5 overall when you exclude Hawaii and Alaska

Japan has a much lower cost of living than the US, they have ghost towns in Japan

There is a very direct correlation, you can ignore it if you want to and pretend Dems did it but that isn't what is happening. Mississippi is littered with meth heads, it's just that their meth heads can afford rent on a Amazon driver salary.

Oregon is 8th on that list when you dont attempt to conveniently exclude states in order to bolster your narrative.

Tokyo is one of the most expensive cities on the planet by any metric, the fact that there are ghost cities in rural Japan doesnt change that. There are ghost cities in rural Oregon too, does that make the cost of living in Portland any lower?

Like I said earlier, homelessness is partially cultural and partially policy driven. West coast cities have both cultural and policy environments that encourage the proliferation of homelessness.

[Nanners]

Japan is an anomaly to most things anyway. They were the only country that actually needed a higher inflation rate during covid. Should I point to them and declare that inflation helps?

They are a unique country that is under unique circumstances.

If youre unable to refute the example of Japan then why does Seoul SK have so few homeless per capita compared to all the major US west coast cities? Why does Singapore? Why does London? Why does fvcking NYC?

Homelessness on the west coast of the US is a fvcking global disgrace and clowns like you who attempt to apologize/justify it are transparently beyond pathetic.

[Off the Court]

Oregon is 8th on that list when you dont attempt to conveniently exclude states in order to bolster your narrative.

Tokyo is one of the most expensive cities on the planet by any metric, the fact that there are ghost cities in rural Japan doesnt change that. There are ghost cities in rural Oregon too, does that make the cost of living in Portland any lower?

Like I said earlier, homelessness is partially cultural and partially policy driven. West coast cities have both cultural and policy environments that encourage the proliferation of homelessness.
Alaska and Hawaii have high living expenses because they are detached from the main land and shipping everything there is very pricey, it would be you including them to bolster your narrative.

West coast is the perfect combo for homeless rate, the highest cost of living combined with comfortable outdoor weather. They've had the issue through red and blue governors.

[rawimpact]

case example of correlation=/=causation

[bladefd]

It seems conservatives around the country care more about what happens to San Francisco and California than the very people living there. Why is that?

[Patrick Chewing]

It seems conservatives around the country care more about what happens to San Francisco and California than the very people living there. Why is that?

Because we don't want the country to turn into poop-infested Liberal shitholes. Duh!

[Doomsday Dallas]

It seems conservatives around the country care more about what happens to San Francisco and California than the very people living there. Why is that?


Because conservatives can see the state is going straight to hell while liberals can't see $hit.

I'm sorry San Fransisco & LA.... but your cities are going straight to liberal hell.

[bladefd]

Because we don't want the country to turn into poop-infested Liberal shitholes. Duh!

Wouldn't California by itself be a top 5 global economy? It's a powerhouse of a state when it comes to economics.

[Patrick Chewing]

Wouldn't California by itself be a top 5 global economy? It's a powerhouse of a state when it comes to economics.

You guys keep going back to the economy and the economy as if that washes away the high taxes, the blackouts, the homelessness, the drugs, and yes, the poop. A lot of rich people and large companies do business in California. It doesn't mean that state is doing better than it was 5, 10, 15 years ago. It's bleeding residents to other states while crime, homeless, drug use, and poop on the streets increase.


Imagine trying to brighten a homeless junkie's day by telling them, "Hey look on the bright side, at least our GDP is high!"

[Off the Court]

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The real shit hole of the US are the deep south conservative red states. Gun infested, high murder rate sewers that make LA and SF look like a paradise. None of you would choose Louisiana or Mississippi over Cali or NY. Homelessness is an eye sore sure, but that's about all it is.

[Norcaliblunt]

Lmao. San Fran will be fine because it’s a legit geographical location.

It’s your middle American towns that rise and fall due to industry, globalism and yada, yada that you need to trip on.

[Norcaliblunt]

Because conservatives can see the state is going straight to hell while liberals can't see $hit.

I'm sorry San Fransisco & LA.... but your cities are going straight to liberal hell.

And your state is full of inbred hick goat screwing cow pokes who ban smoking weed and having sex with woman.

See how easy that is?

[j3lademaster]

Oregon is not even close to being top-5 in cost of living nationwide, and cost of living is not a predictable indicator for homelessness anyway, especially internationally. Tokyo is MUCH more expensive than any city in Oregon, and yet they have virtually zero homeless problems while tents are virtually everywhere in Portland.Why would you use Tokyo as an example? Their homeless population is low due to rent control(communism/socialism), subsidizing companies to hire homeless people(not communism/ socialism, since it helps corporations), and a much better food aid system than we have(communism/socialism). Doesn't this go against the whole rightwing narrative?

[RRR3]

Why would you use Tokyo as an example? Their homeless population is low due to rent control(communism/socialism), subsidizing companies to hire homeless people(not communism/ socialism, since it helps corporations), and a much better food aid system than we have(communism/socialism). Doesn't this go against the whole rightwing narrative?
Nanny isn’t very smart.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Because we don't want the country to turn into poop-infested Liberal shitholes. Duh!

But the Red States are sh!tholes.

[j3lademaster]

But the Red States are sh!tholes.Which is weird considering how much federal aide they eat up.