This would be the most efficient 30+ ppg scoring run of all time if Joker wins title.

[Carbine]

Just so you know.

All time.

[Im Still Ballin]

I wonder what the best playoff rTS% 30+ ppg scoring runs are?

[FultzNationRISE]

He’s indisputably the second best offensive player ever after Lebron. We cant put MJ or Kareem on that level because they werent the passers those two are.

Yes, it’s not fair to guys like DRob and Hakeem that centers in their day simply were never taught or allowed to expand their repertoire to run the point or shoot three pointers. Obviously those guys would have been more versatile had they played today, but as Barkley says, Mama you had em too soon. We can only go by what actually happened, and no other player in history has had the limitless skillset Joker does. The dude is like a hybrid of Shaq and Bird :lol

To everyone who is bitter he is overshadowing your favorite player historically: Im sorry. But this is how time works. Things eventually happen that never happened before. This is one of those times.

He’s not passing LeGOAT. But everyone else is standing on the train tracks.

[kawhileonard2]

Jordan was and is always the greatest. They changed rules in 2004 for players for offensive stats. Imagine trying to win titles in this era when the final score is 87-86 and you score half your team points.

[FultzNationRISE]

Jordan was and is always the greatest. They changed rules in 2004 for players for offensive stats. Imagine trying to win titles in this era when the final score is 87-86 and you score half your team points.

Sorry pal. MJ got broken by Lebron. Deal with it.

[FKAri]

Jordan was and is always the greatest. They changed rules in 2004 for players for offensive stats. Imagine trying to win titles in this era when the final score is 87-86 and you score half your team points.

Easier for guards. Not bigs. They've penalized bruising big men. Jokic's unorthodox game allows him to flourish while his contemporaries are relegated to rebounders/lob finishers. They changed rules in an attempt to replicate the success of MJ and allow smaller players which electrify the public to dictate the offense.

[RRR3]

Jordan was and is always the greatest. They changed rules in 2004 for players for offensive stats. Imagine trying to win titles in this era when the final score is 87-86 and you score half your team points.
Imagine being this insecure.

[warriorfan]

Easier for guards. Not bigs. They've penalized bruising big men. Jokic's unorthodox game allows him to flourish while his contemporaries are relegated to rebounders/lob finishers. They changed rules in an attempt to replicate the success of MJ and allow smaller players which electrify the public to dictate the offense.

space and pace, freedom of movement still helps big men too

not trying to diminish jokic’s accomplishments at all, he’s had a for sure ATG level season. But we still can’t ignore era differences when bringing up scoring efficiency numbers

[Kblaze8855]

Easier for guards. Not bigs. They've penalized bruising big men.

It’s easier for everyone good to produce. Jokic wouldn’t be any worse at basketball in the past but his teammates wouldn’t be able to space the floor, the opposing power forwards wouldn’t be wings most of the time, freedom of movement rules wouldn’t let all his cutters and shooters operate freely, and the pace would be reduced(depending on when we are talking about).

Same player…worse numbers.

Hes an all time big obviously but is still a product of his situation like everyone else.

He would be used and look like a totally different player 20-40 years ago.

Hed get more pure post ups but get them vs teams much better at defending it and his best shooting teammate would likely be an 18 footer specialist with maybe a single 3 point shooter who makes 88 that whole season.

You’d barely recognize his game in 1985 even as the exact same guy.

[FultzNationRISE]

It’s easier for everyone good to produce. Jokic wouldn’t be any worse at basketball in the past but his teammates wouldn’t be able to space the floor, the opposing power forwards wouldn’t be wings most of the time, freedom of movement rules wouldn’t let all his cutters and shooters operate freely, and the pace would be reduced(depending on when we are talking about).

Same player…worse numbers.

Hes an all time big obviously but is still a product of his situation like everyone else.

He would be used and look like a totally different player 20-40 years ago.

Hed get more pure post ups but get them vs teams much better at defending it and his best shooting teammate would likely be an 18 footer specialist with maybe a single 3 point shooter who makes 88 that whole season.

You’d barely recognize his game in 1985 years even as the exact same guy.

This is all true, BUT… nobody else in Joker’s era is doing what he does. So theres clearly something special about it regardless of circumstance.

Embiid just had a great MVP season. Bam is having a terrific all around playoff. People think AD is an elite center. These are the guys who would be remembered as the top centers of the era… and Jokic is dwarfing them the way MJ dwarfed hall of fame peers like Mitch Richmond, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller.

You could say MJ wouldnt be MJ in the 70s because theyd call him for palming constantly and the refs wouldnt protect him from forearm shivers on every drive.

But thats not the mainstream narrative. The narrative is “MJ is MJ. Best player ever.”

So you have to give Joker that same kind of credit. If MJ is the GOAT shooting guard for what he achieved in his era, people better get used to calling Jokic the GOAT center. Because he is.

[Kblaze8855]

Nobody else was doing what wilt was doing either. That guy scored 50 points per game. Got more rebounds in anyone ever before or since. Led the NBA in assist. Shot over 70% from the field. Played every second he wasn’t ejected an entire season. Was having quadruple double playoff games….won 2 titles and has 2 more mvps than Jokic.

we just don’t care because society has decided it was unusually easy to accomplish statistically amazing things in his era. Meanwhile we watched multiple 70 point games and like five triple double seasons in the last few years with point guards averaging 32,11 and 10 and guys doing 37 points per game manipulating the rules and pretend it’s all on the up and up now.

It’s just a repeat of the usual. Fans will credit their eras stars fully and throw out older peoples. They will then become the older people who defend their stars from young people.


everyone has 100 reasons the new fans are idiots for not giving their favorite players full credit, and that will never ever end.

[FultzNationRISE]

Nobody else was doing what wilt was doing either. That guy scored 50 points per game. Got more rebounds in anyone ever before or since. Led the NBA in assist. Shot over 70% from the field. Played every second he wasn’t ejected an entire season. Was having quadruple double playoff games….won 2 titles and has 2 more mvps than Jokic.

we just don’t care because society has decided it was unusually easy to accomplish statistically amazing things in his era. Meanwhile we watched multiple 70 point games and like five triple double seasons in the last few years with point guards averaging 32,11 and 10 and guys doing 37 points per game manipulating the rules and pretend it’s all on the up and up now.

It’s just a repeat of the usual. Fans will credit their eras stars fully and throw out older peoples. They will then become the older people who defend their stars from young people.


everyone has 100 reasons the new fans are idiots for not giving their favorite players full credit, and that will never ever end.


None of that negates the fact Lebron is the objective GOAT.

[Kblaze8855]

I’m fairly sure I would take Jokic over LeBron actually. I’m not sure enough to say I’m positive because it’s so heavily dependent on the style of basketball that simply cannot exist in most versions of the NBA but I will take him in this one. I’m comfortable calling it a tossup that comes down to the players and rules of the era in question. I was going to say the best I’ve seen LeBron play is better than the best I’ve seen joker, but statistically, that is absolutely not the case.

but of course, I’ve never decided such things that way. Statistically James Harden on the Rockets was better than Michael Jordan most of his career. I’ve not decided what to do with this eras production yet. Luka is the GOAT swing man pretty soon by the numbers isn’t he?

It’s like growing up in the 70s and 80s and then the 60s numbers come later. It’s easier to ignore things from long ago. It’s how we all pretend Wilt never happened and nothing he does is impressive until of course we have to point out that nobody has done whatever it was since he did.

prime LeBron isn’t making these nuggets any better. Prime Jordan wouldn’t either. I’m fairly confident that you put this joker in 1992 he will be less useful than that Jordan was, though.

I’m all comes down to what we choose to set as the default. And fans tend to set whatever happened when they were 15-25 or so as the sports “real” version so I guess I’m no different.

[1987_Lakers]

Nobody else was doing what wilt was doing either. That guy scored 50 points per game. Got more rebounds in anyone ever before or since. Led the NBA in assist. Shot over 70% from the field. Played every second he wasn’t ejected an entire season. Was having quadruple double playoff games….won 2 titles and has 2 more mvps than Jokic.

Amazing talent, but it's well chronicled that Wilt was an obsessed stat padder. His teams were usually bad when he put up these amazing scoring seasons and I always found it odd how the late 60's Sixers offense didn't get any worse once Wilt got traded to the Lakers.

This is a dude who got upset about Glen Rice breaking one of his All-star game records.

[bullettooth]

None of that negates the fact Lebron is the objective GOAT.
You're trying too hard.

Stop it.

[Kblaze8855]

Amazing talent, but it's well chronicled that Wilt was an obsessed stat padder. His teams were usually bad when he put up these amazing scoring seasons and I always found it odd how the late 60's Sixers offense didn't get any worse once Wilt got traded to the Lakers.

This is a dude who got upset about Glen Rice breaking one of his All-star game records.

the numbers people usually cite to support that idea are just what his team asked him to do largely to draw crowds and media attention. Left to his own devices he will play about like he did in Philly. Score mid 20s and have arguably the greatest team that ever played while he won a championship, barely shooting and leading the league in assists.

you could argue that two of the three or four greatest teams of all time was just being left alone to play the way he thought he should play.

there are so many variables in how everybody’s career turned out. The goat debate is almost pointless to me.

[NBAGOAT]

Teams are good at defending post ups right now however. Embiid is an exception but people have complained for years about jokic not going to the line enough for how physically he gets defended in the post and other bigs get similar complaints

[Kblaze8855]

Wilt is really such a hard guy to judge. I had a phase like 20 years ago when I read all his books because I just found him interesting and he talks some outlandish shit that you would tell yourself couldn’t possibly be true. One story he told I’ve mentioned before but never had evidence of was when young Walt Bellamy came in and fans thought it was a new Wilt. He was doing 30/20 as a super athletic young black kid who was really brash so I get it. Wilt didn’t care…till Walt made some kinda comment suggesting he was the new wilt. Or at least not shooting the idea down.

In the book he said He just came up to the kid, shook his hand and politely told him what was about to happen. Then he blocked all his shots for the whole first half. He then told him at halftime “Ok now you can play too”

I figured he outplayed him but made some of the story up. Imagine my surprise reading this on twitter recently


https://www.hostpic.org/images/2306102012470337.jpeg

[Kblaze8855]

He not only did what he said he scored 51 himself and never even mentioned that. He’s as close as it gets to literally being able to do whatever he wanted. I just wish his coaches realized earlier he didn’t really care about scoring as much as defense.


https://www.hostpic.org/images/2306102016350329.jpeg

[FultzNationRISE]

you could argue that two of the three or four greatest teams of all time was just being left alone to play the way he thought he should play.

there are so many variables in how everybody’s career turned out. The goat debate is almost pointless to me.


Well it is now, because Lebron exists.

[warriorfan]

Ive always liked Wilt’s “no more layups” story.

[Legend248]

Sorry pal. MJ got broken by Lebron. Deal with it.

Imagine being this stupid in life.....lol ****ing flying ******

[Kblaze8855]

Ive always liked Wilt’s “no more layups” story.


Me too. So many of them feel like exaggerations and then 30 years later someone else’s tells the whole story not even realized he’d told it. Some of his weightlifting stories are like that. He talks about it 30 or 40 years ago and people barely believe it then Arnold comes out and says he was doing even crazier shit while they shot Conan in the 80s.

[bullettooth]

Well it is now, because Lebron exists.

Yes, he showed everyone that collusion earns no credit.

LeShortcut.

[warriorfan]

Me too. So many of them feel like exaggerations and then 30 years later someone else’s tells the whole story not even realized he’d told it. Some of his weightlifting stories are like that. He talks about it 30 or 40 years ago and people barely believe it then Arnold comes out and says he was doing even crazier shit while they shot Conan in the 80s.

I know a few old guys who aren’t bullshitters and went to a good amount of games when Wilt was with the San Francisco Warriors and they have said that the only tall tale about Wilt was the 20,000 women thing.

[1987_Lakers]

I know a few old guys who aren’t bullshitters and went to a good amount of games when Wilt was with the San Francisco Warriors and they have said that the only tall tale about Wilt was the 20,000 women thing.

Wilt exaggerated about alot of stuff. Dude said he beat up a mountain lion. Said in an interview during the late 80's or early 90's that he would average 70 ppg in todays league which is absurd.

[Kblaze8855]

I know he never meant that literally though. He did an estimation based on age and how he had a woman most days. I do remember reading one of his globetrotter teammates saying he had a whole floor of a motel in Hawaii on a trip and a different woman in each room and moved down the hall all night. But I’ve heard that same story about Muhammad Ali.

[warriorfan]

Wilt exaggerated about alot of stuff. Dude said he beat up a mountain lion. Said in an interview during the late 80's or early 90's that he would average 70 ppg in todays league which is absurd.

Oh yeah the lion story. lol

If you want to really get into it. The 20,000 women, the mountain lion, and maybe the quarter off the top of the backboard thing are the only really dubious stories. All the rest are more legit then not.

[Kblaze8855]

Wilt exaggerated about alot of stuff. Dude said he beat up a mountain lion. Said in an interview during the late 80's or early 90's that he would average 70 ppg in todays league which is absurd.

The story I heard was he said he’d tossed one off him while he was driving through Arizona or something and was on the side of the road. And someone claimed he had terrible scars that looked like it afterwards. I never heard it from his mouth or any official source he released.

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsRkugzpjwA

:whatever:

[warriorfan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsRkugzpjwA

:whatever:

if they let wilt play like shaq, he could average as many points as he wanted to basically

A great Wilt quote he said to MJ that ties into the whole era differences thing “The difference between you and me is that they had to change the rules so I couldn't dominate. They changed the rules so that you could dominate.”

[Kblaze8855]

Oh yeah the lion story. lol

If you want to really get into it. The 20,000 women, the mountain lion, and maybe the quarter off the top of the backboard thing are the only really dubious stories. All the rest are more legit then not.


The blackboard is believable. He’s a 7’1” legit Olympic level high jumper with a wild wingspan who played in a time before regulated equipment.

Kareem talked about trying it and not being able to do it but not being far off and he couldn’t get up like wilt.

3-4 people have credible witnesses claiming to see them do it back then. Two of them Globetrotters known to try such things.

I find it easier to believe he did it than some of the short guys like Earl the Goat.

[tpols]

Wilt exaggerated about alot of stuff. Dude said he beat up a mountain lion. Said in an interview during the late 80's or early 90's that he would average 70 ppg in todays league which is absurd.

Wilt was twice the size of a normal mountain lion. And they're ambush predators who hunt animals smaller than themselves typically. Wouldn't be surprised if Wilt made one of them tuck tail and run.

[1987_Lakers]

if they let wilt play like shaq, he could average as many points as he wanted to basically

Wilt was more of a finesse player compared to Shaq, so I don't understand this statement.

[Kblaze8855]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsRkugzpjwA

:whatever:


That all comes from the nba at 50 interviews. I wanna say he was talking with Russell and being interviewed by Ahmad Rashad. I guess people started asking him about it more after that.

He was actually pretty annoyed the final versions that aired didn’t let him explain most of what he said. Said he set aside a whole day and spent 3 hours answering every question and talking about all history and it got cut to what he could score and a spliced together cut about how Kareem was the first player he needed help to defend.

He pretty much swore off interviews after that.

[warriorfan]

Wilt was more of a finesse player compared to Shaq, so I don't understand this statement.

he had to be. they didn’t let him body people and dunk every time. shaq had a lower center of gravity with the way he was built but wilt was extremely powerful and would son 99% of the players in the league with bully ball.



The blackboard is believable. He’s a 7’1” legit Olympic level high jumper with a wild wingspan who played in a time before regulated equipment.

Kareem talked about trying it and not being able to do it but not being far off and he couldn’t get up like wilt.

3-4 people have credible witnesses claiming to see them do it back then. Two of them Globetrotters known to try such things.

I find it easier to believe he did it than some of the short guys like Earl the Goat.

I agree. That’s why I put it at the end and tried to not directly include it with the other two stories. It seems to be one of the most heavily doubted wilt accounts and there’s no footage of him doing it. But I have done a little bit of the same math you have and to he honest it doesn’t seem out of the realm of possibility.

[Kblaze8855]

Wilt was more of a finesse player compared to Shaq, so I don't understand this statement.

He was for two reasons….

They wouldnt let him push people around…and he wouldn’t have wanted to anyway.

He played soft on purpose to change the perception of giants. It’s really my main issue with him. He didn’t wanna look bad by being physically dominant and he didn’t wanna make other bigs look bad.

The Walt Bellamy situation is a good example. He deleted that guy for a whole half. Blocked 9 shots and made him look a total fool for being compared to him. Then he let him play normally in the second.

Can you imagine what Kobe would do if he could do that?

Wilt wasn’t mean he was just arrogant.

[Kblaze8855]

he had to be. they didn’t let him body people and dunk every time. shaq had a lower center of gravity with the way he was built but wilt was extremely powerful and would son 99% of the players in the league with bully ball.




I agree. That’s why I put it at the end and tried to not directly include it with the other two stories. It seems to be one of the most heavily doubted wilt accounts and there’s no footage of him doing it. But I have done a little bit of the same math you have and to he honest it doesn’t seem out of the realm of possibility.


No footage of him dunking from the FT line either but we know seeing him do it is why you aren’t allowed to cross it anymore. And it’s pretty easy to believe….


https://www.hostpic.org/images/2306102157020338.jpeg


Hes just a weird one to judge all around. Bunch of insane feats 44 people saw and we call all 44 liars because they’re old.


All the footage he either looks stiff as hell…or he’s moving like this at like 36 post knee injury:


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ConstantHeavenlyAfricanbushviper-size_restricted.gif




And the commentators in the original footage are talking about how old and slow he is compared to his prime.

That Wilt is a stiff compared to his prime…according to the people who called that game.

I just wanna send one modern HD camera to 1960 to follow him for a season.

Even the good footage is of things fans now call boring. You see him go up to 12 feet on a block casually and nobody even cheers. They just had different standards of entertainment. Everything is a slow motion fadeaway or easy dunk and they threw the rest out.

[warriorfan]

No footage of him dunking from the FT line either but we know seeing him do it is why you aren’t allowed to cross it anymore. And it’s pretty easy to believe….


https://www.hostpic.org/images/2306102157020338.jpeg


Hes just a weird one to judge all around. Bunch of insane feats 44 people saw and we call all 44 liars because they’re old.


All the footage he either looks stiff as hell…or he’s moving like this at like 36 post knee injury:


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ConstantHeavenlyAfricanbushviper-size_restricted.gif




And the commentators in the original footage are talking about how old and slow he is compared to his prime.

That Wilt is a stiff compared to his prime…according to the people who called that game.

I just wanna send one modern HD camera to 1960 to follow him for a season.

Even the good footage is of things fans now call boring. You see him go up to 12 feet on a block casually and nobody even cheers. They just had different standards of entertainment. Everything is a slow motion fadeaway or easy dunk and they threw the rest out.

I think it is definitely possible. I was explaining how I understand how there are people who doubt it completely and say no way. From all the stuff i’ve seen, read, and heard from lots of different accounts, I don’t think it’s very far fetched at all.

[Kblaze8855]

I wouldn’t blame you if you did though is what I’m saying. I get it. It’s all so hard to prove and he was such an outlier for guys his size then or now. It’s like hearing about 550 foot home runs from guys in the 1930s. You call bullshit then realize some of the fields were big enough you’d almost have to hit it 500 to clear some of them…which is why there were so many triples.

Sports in general did a bad job on its history visually. Boxing is about the only thing it feels like there is complete footage of the greats.

[ILLsmak]

Just so you know.

All time.

**** weird metrics lol

But he’s ballin.

I need to start calling more shit all time.

-Smak

[ArbitraryWater]

He’s indisputably the second best offensive player ever after Lebron. We cant put MJ or Kareem on that level because they werent the passers those two are.

Yes, it’s not fair to guys like DRob and Hakeem that centers in their day simply were never taught or allowed to expand their repertoire to run the point or shoot three pointers. Obviously those guys would have been more versatile had they played today, but as Barkley says, Mama you had em too soon. We can only go by what actually happened, and no other player in history has had the limitless skillset Joker does. The dude is like a hybrid of Shaq and Bird :lol

To everyone who is bitter he is overshadowing your favorite player historically: Im sorry. But this is how time works. Things eventually happen that never happened before. This is one of those times.

He’s not passing LeGOAT. But everyone else is standing on the train tracks.

true.


soon



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzzlvnncLOQ

[97 bulls]

Wilt exaggerated about alot of stuff. Dude said he beat up a mountain lion. Said in an interview during the late 80's or early 90's that he would average 70 ppg in todays league which is absurd.

That mountain lion story was hilarious. Didn't he say he had stopped to take a piss, and a mountain lion jumped out at him, and he grabbed the lion with one hand and threw it away? Lol


Another one I can't believe is when they said he dunk a ball so hard that he broke Johnny Red Kerr foot. I just don't see how that's humanly possible.

[Kblaze8855]

Wilt didn’t say that. Johnny said it himself. He was quoted in a book on nba stories. Said wilt was mad for some reason and dunked it so hard it broke his toe hitting the floor. True or not…the “victim” said it not wilt.

[Im Still Ballin]

I believe Wilt and Bill Russell touched the top of the backboard. Dwight reached 12'6" and he had a 9'3.5" standing reach and a 39-40" vertical jump. He was like 280 pounds when he did this. At 6'9" barefoot. He probably could've gotten several inches closer if he wasn't so heavy.

Travis Outlaw got pretty close. I imagine Jonathan Bender could've probably gotten near it as well. Two guys on YouTube did it (Doug Thomas and Kao Akobundu-Ehiogu) And neither of those guys were as tall or long as Wilt.

Wilt's standing reach was 9'6" and Bill's was around 9'4" probably. There are anecdotal stories about Bill having a greater standing reach than Kareem and even Ralph Sampson. Bill was measured at 6'9 and ⅝" barefoot and had a reported 7'4" wingspan. A 9'4" standing reach seems about right; there are plenty of officially measured guys around that mark:


- Tony Bradley 6-9.25 | 9-4.5
- Thomas Bryant 6-9.5 | 9-4.5
- Myles Turner 6-9.75 | 9-4
- Christian Wood 6-9.25 | 9-3.5
- Gorgui Dieng 6-9.75 | 9-3.5
- John Henson 6-9 | 9-4
- Nikola Vucevic 6-10.25 | 9-4.5
- Demarcus Cousins 6-9.5 | 9-5
- Larry Sanders 6-9.25 | 9-4
- Cole Aldrich 6-9 | 9-3.5
- Javale McGee 6-11 | 9-6.5
- Deandre Jordan 6-9.75 | 9-5.5
- Shawn James 6-7.75 | 9-3
- Marcus Campbell 6-10.25 | 9-6
- Deng Gai 6-7.75 | 9-2.5
- Dwight Howard 6-9 | 9-3.5
- Martin Iti 6-8.5 | 9-3.5
- Uche Okafor 6-9 | 9-4
- DeSagana Diop 6-10 | 9-5

I might even be underselling Bill a little. He looks narrower in the shoulders and longer in the arms. Maybe 9'4.5" or 9'5" is possible?

A guy with a 9'4" standing reach needs to jump 44" to reach 13'. So Wilt only needed a 42" vertical jump to do it. I can believe that. Dwight was doing around 40" at a super-jacked 280 pounds.

[Im Still Ballin]

I'll also add that standing reach varies a lot compared to wingspan and height. More than you'd think.

Mark Williams measured at 7'0" barefoot with a 7'6.5" wingspan. His standing reach? 9'9". Mo Bamba measured 6'11.25" barefoot with a 7'10" wingspan and his standing reach was only 9'6".

3" less of standing reach despite only being three quarters of an inch shorter but with 3.5" more wingspan.

The neck and shoulder girdle area can make a huge difference. It's part of the reason why Shawn Marion could block Kevin Durant's jump shot despite barely jumping:

https://i.ibb.co/ZVrHMbN/7oy182.gif

I don't know what Marion's wingspan or standing reach was but it would've been freakish. Same goes for Kevin McHale; he probably had a standing reach of around 9'5" to 9'7". He would barely jump and be several inches above the rim like this GIF:

https://i.ibb.co/vdxjbqw/620v5x.gif

[Im Still Ballin]

if they let wilt play like shaq, he could average as many points as he wanted to basically

A great Wilt quote he said to MJ that ties into the whole era differences thing “The difference between you and me is that they had to change the rules so I couldn't dominate. They changed the rules so that you could dominate.”


Wilt was more of a finesse player compared to Shaq, so I don't understand this statement.


he had to be. they didn’t let him body people and dunk every time. shaq had a lower center of gravity with the way he was built but wilt was extremely powerful and would son 99% of the players in the league with bully ball.




I agree. That’s why I put it at the end and tried to not directly include it with the other two stories. It seems to be one of the most heavily doubted wilt accounts and there’s no footage of him doing it. But I have done a little bit of the same math you have and to he honest it doesn’t seem out of the realm of possibility.


He was for two reasons….

They wouldnt let him push people around…and he wouldn’t have wanted to anyway.

He played soft on purpose to change the perception of giants. It’s really my main issue with him. He didn’t wanna look bad by being physically dominant and he didn’t wanna make other bigs look bad.

The Walt Bellamy situation is a good example. He deleted that guy for a whole half. Blocked 9 shots and made him look a total fool for being compared to him. Then he let him play normally in the second.

Can you imagine what Kobe would do if he could do that?

Wilt wasn’t mean he was just arrogant.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-XTPVBOCLw

[Carbine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-XTPVBOCLw

Those offensive fouls are complete bs. We are fortunate the game isn't called like that anymore

[Kblaze8855]

Yea Wilt got absolutely ****ed. People always wonder why he couldn’t literally take over at will in close games being as big and strong as he was. many don’t realize they simply would not let him use his strength that way. If he could just lift people off the ground and dunk the way they let Shaq he might have scored 100 five or ten times.


he had to take the same beating from defenders who could use all the strength on him that Shaq did, but he wasn’t allowed to reciprocate the way modern players can. Shaq always said he didn’t mind being hit hard as long as the refs let him return the favor. Refs wouldn’t let Wilt get away with any of that.

[97 bulls]

Those offensive fouls are complete bs. We are fortunate the game isn't called like that anymore

Just from listening to the crowd reaction and the comments, those may have been missed calls. But still doesn't undo the fact that Shaq got away with murder. I've seen plays where Shaqs defenders were hit with fouls for simply bracing themselves for Shaqs shoulder or elbow or both. In the video Ive seen of Wilt scoring, I've never seen him doing that to his opponents.

[FilmyCogTurner]

Anyone have video of the beating Shaq took from defenders because during that time all I remember was the frontcourt of the Kings get shitted on and Mutombo/Ratliff playing some pretty good straight up D and still having no chance at guarding Shaq.

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Congrats to Joker, looks like he will be a top 10 player before all is said and done.