JVG doesn’t wanna hear you talking about injuries if the player plays.

[Kblaze8855]

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Thoughts?

[Kblaze8855]

I’m torn. On one hand when a guy is hurt and going hard I don’t mind the extra credit. At least when it’s clearly legit. Think:

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But I can see why people don’t wanna keep hearing about it when you lose.

At the same time…is it an excuse to acknowledge someone was hurt? If so…are we anti truth?

You can “Such and such was hurt” your way into discounting most playoff runs if you want. But fact is…such and such being hurt is a factor.

Has to be a middle ground but it leaves a lot of room to be annoyed by excuse makers who can’t just admit their guy got outplayed.

[j3lademaster]

I always give players credit for playing banged up, especially now. I say 'especially now' because I put myself in their shoes and think how easy it is to just think "guaranteed contract, don't care, time to go to Maldives on my private jet".

Gave Embiid a ton of credit playing hurt against Miami last year, even though he played subpar for his standards. I don't want to hear the announcers harping on it after like the 3rd time bringing it up, though.

I assume JVG is talking about smaller injuries. Steph in 2016, to me, wasn't under any kind of injury worth talking about. Most players are going to be banged up one way or another at that point. If I recall correctly, there was no offseason surgery; so giving Steph that excuse was taking credit away from the Cavaliers.

[warriorfan]

jvg is a troll

[AlternativeAcc.]

Curry has never been injured in the finals

The fact that his legion of little kid and women fans created a false narrative attempting to cover up his choking is rather hilarious

Can't forget the Ayesha gem where she claimed it was rigged because Curry had the worst finals performance of all time :yaohappy:

[ArbitraryWater]

Players can definitely be limited through their injury, so I think its okay to mention.

[SouBeachTalents]

Perhaps the most critical segment of this series came at the end of the third quarter of Game 4, Cleveland cutting the Warriors lead to three. The Q was rocking. The Finals hung in the balance.

Curry calmly called for the ball, shook a defender and drained a three, pushing Golden State to a six-point lead. In a reversal of roles, a gassed LeBron tried to answer with a three of his own at the buzzer, only to miss badly. When James went to the bench to rest at the start of the fourth quarter, the Warriors seized control of the game and the Finals.

Curry finished with 22 that night. He then dropped 37, including 17 in the fourth quarter, in Game 5. On Tuesday, he dropped a couple of massive threes to help stem a fourth-quarter Cleveland surge, then when double-teamed, hit a wide-open Klay Thompson for another.

Not only did Curry average an MVP-like 26 points, 5 rebounds, 6 assists and 2 steals in 43 minutes per game, but as Kerr told his point guard, sometimes a point guard has to put his own game now in favor of managing the game for his teammates.

That is what Curry relayed when he said in the postgame press conference, "The Finals are not that different from normal NBA games. It's just the spotlight is different, and soar are the expectations. When you have an average game, you find out in the Finals that people were expecting more. But really, that stuff doesn't matter. It's all about winning. That's what I've learned. I just need to impact games, be myself every other night, do other things to help my team win and be OK with that. Manage the game from a point-guard standpoint, find a way to win and that's what we did … At the end of the day, stats really don't matter. It really doesn't matter."

This coming from a man who still had 25 points, 6 rebounds and 8 assists in 43 minutes from a Game 6 that he was supposedly managing the game for others, downplaying his own role.

This coming from a man who still scored 156 points in a six-game Finals with a .585 true shooting percentage—a scoring total and efficiency only topped by three players in NBA Finals history (who all also did it coincidentally in six-game series): 1992 Michael Jordan, who scored 215 points with a .617 TSP; 2011 Dwyane Wade, who scored 159 points with a .614 TSP; 1987 Magic Johnson, who scored 157 points with a .590 TSP.

They did it with a wizard, Stephen Curry, at point guard. Curry nailed three key threes in Golden State’s 105-97 Game 6 victory in Cleveland Tuesday night, because that’s what he does. In the clincher, however, the regular-season MVP’s passing stood out. He patiently let the Cavs double-team him far from the basket – what choice did the Cavs have against a guy who can sink shots from Cincinnati? – and hit cutters down the lane. Or flipped one-handed passes down low. Or skipped the ball cross-court, or into the corner, to open three-point shooters. Curry had eight assists. Golden State finished with 13 three-pointers.

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Most 4th Quarter Points during the Finals

1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5
2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS)
2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 (75.1% TS)
1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS)
1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS)
2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)
1993 Michael Jordan 10.3

2015 Steph Curry had one of the most clutch performance in NBA history. The only player to score more 4th Quarter Finals points than Steph Curry was Shaquille Oneal, and he didn't even score one point more than Curry while Curry scored 14% more efficiently than Shaquille


In the 2016 Finals he was not able to play as well as he did in 2015

What happened in 2016 that didn't happen in 2015? The major MCL injury

[SIZE="3"][I]Curry had a lack of lateral quickness and ability to change direction because of his MCL injury

Here is a clip of healthy Curry showcasing his excellent lateral quickness and change of direction

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These types of plays were routine for Curry before the MCL injury

The time table for return of an MCL sprain is 2 to 4 weeks.

(Keep in mind that healing timetable is for every day activity, nothing more strenuous than walking up one flight of stairs, NOT playing professional basketball)

Stephen Curry returned from the injury after only 2 weeks because the Warriors were struggling against Portland without him.

Stephen Curry re-aggravated his knee injury by coming back too early and then playing 40+ minutes of playoff basketball plus overtime in his record setting performance against Portland.


Therefore we can conclude that Curry's MCL injury was the differentiating factor which lowered Curry's production

[warriorfan]

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Most 4th Quarter Points during the Finals

1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5
2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS)
2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 (75.1% TS)
1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS)
1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS)
2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)
1993 Michael Jordan 10.3

2015 Steph Curry had one of the most clutch performance in NBA history. The only player to score more 4th Quarter Finals points than Steph Curry was Shaquille Oneal, and he didn't even score one point more than Curry while Curry scored 14% more efficiently than Shaquille


In the 2016 Finals he was not able to play as well as he did in 2015

What happened in 2016 that didn't happen in 2015? The major MCL injury

[SIZE="3"][I]Curry had a lack of lateral quickness and ability to change direction because of his MCL injury

Here is a clip of healthy Curry showcasing his excellent lateral quickness and change of direction

https://media.giphy.com/media/vJJxhc46rAsnK/giphy.gif
These types of plays were routine for Curry before the MCL injury

The time table for return of an MCL sprain is 2 to 4 weeks.

(Keep in mind that healing timetable is for every day activity, nothing more strenuous than walking up one flight of stairs, NOT playing professional basketball)

Stephen Curry returned from the injury after only 2 weeks because the Warriors were struggling against Portland without him.

Stephen Curry re-aggravated his knee injury by coming back too early and then playing 40+ minutes of playoff basketball plus overtime in his record setting performance against Portland.


Therefore we can conclude that Curry's MCL injury was the differentiating factor which lowered Curry's production


high iq post

[iamgine]

JVG likes to ruffle the feathers.

[Full Court]

I agree with Gundy. Nobody knows how much a player is or isn't hurt other than the player himself. So I don't care about anyone's speculation. If a player stays in the game, no excuses. Period. If they play through pain, good on them. If they can't play 100%, that's tough luck. They're probably not the only one hurting on the court.

[bdonovan]

Van Gundy has mastered the same art Charles Barkely - the fine art of sports trolling.

There's a related point which is worth making: don't cite injuries in general as a reason you lost, whether or not the player is playing.

Or: don't make excuses. Do you want a sympathy basket sent to you?

If your country lost a war, would you start citing the fact that there was a defect in the tanks or that there was a flu outbreak amongst the soldiers? No one cares. You lost. Next time, don't get injured.