No one expected rookie Lebron to eventually give up on Cavs & team up with opponents

[3ba11]

Giving up on your team and teaming up with rivals and opposing franchise players is the DEFINITION of failing expectation

No one expected him to lose as the favorite twice and then lose again after stacking deck in 2011

No one expected that - it's a failure of expectation

[SATAN]

Did you watch the finals? Surprised you haven't started taking shots at Jokic yet. You know, just in case.

[3ba11]

Did you watch the finals? Surprised you haven't started taking shots at Jokic yet.


Jordan had a better run in 1991 based on PER, BPM, WS/48, PPG, clutch, carrying scoring load (defeating max defensive attention) and comp (defeating dynasty Bad Boy & Magic's Lakers)

Jordan has 6 Finals wins where he carried the load compared to 1 for Jokic.. Jokic has 5 more to go

[DocSlam]

Lebron went back to the team that drafted him and where he started his career. He helped them to win a championship banner. Shaq never went back to Orlando. Garnett never went back to Minnesota. Durant never went back to Oklahoma City.

Lebron actually finished his unfinished business.

[3ba11]

Lebron went back to the team that drafted him and where he started his career. He helped them to win a championship banner. Shaq never went back to Orlando. Garnett never went back to Minnesota. Durant never went back to Oklahoma City.

Lebron actually finished his unfinished business.


He left the team in shambles before and after - team-hoppers GUT teams and that's what he did each time he left

1 chips in 11 seasons... ran off the #1 pick Kyrie.... and 2 re-starts from scratch with franchise in shambles after Bron leaves

So it wasn't worth a single Adam Silver chip and otherwise mostly losing and underdog status - Lebron hand-picked the preseason favorite but they fell to underdog or loser every year from 2011-2016, except the Allen miracle.

[Real Men Wear Green]

No one expected 3ba11 to make a topic about a different subject.

[Axe]

No one expected 3ba11 to make a topic about a different subject.
Lmao

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[Full Court]

Did you watch the finals? Surprised you haven't started taking shots at Jokic yet. You know, just in case.

Jokic already won a ring without hopping to a stacked super team. So he's already outclassed your hero LeShrivel.

:lol. Idiot.

[r15mohd]

Jokic already won a ring without hopping to a stacked super team. So he's already outclassed your hero LeShrivel.

:lol. Idiot.

name the team he went to that was already stacked

[Hey Yo]

Jordan had a better run in 1991 based on PER, BPM, WS/48, PPG, clutch, carrying scoring load (defeating max defensive attention) and comp (defeating dynasty Bad Boy & Magic's Lakers)

Jordan has 6 Finals wins where he carried the load compared to 1 for Jokic.. Jokic has 5 more to go

If the 91 Pistons were a dynasty, so were the 2013 Heat

[John8204]

Lebron took the worst team in NBA history to the finals...he then came back and won a title for a town that hadn't seen a championship since the 60's in any sport.

Jordan fans are salty weirdo's

[bdonovan]

Lebron took the worst team in NBA history to the finals...he then came back and won a title for a town that hadn't seen a championship since the 60's in any sport.

Jordan fans are salty weirdo's

Pretty much this.

Switching teams is a taboo only in the minds of the confused. Either your front-office delivers you teammates capable of winning or you find those teammates. Some owners don't want to spend; they're making enough profit playing 82 games; that's not the star player's fault.

I bet players like Barkley WISH they left town and found a crew to win with earlier. Wait too late and there's no shot.

[Overdrive]

No one expected Rookie Jordan to quit his team 9 years in.

[Wally450]

No one expected MJ to retire twice in his prime.

[3ba11]

No one expected MJ to retire twice in his prime.


No one expected rookie Jordan to average 41 while 3-peating - this unprecedented winning made him superior to his contemporaries (Magic, Bird), which gave him the luxury to retire and mourn his father.. If he had lost to Barkley, he would never have retired and he would've trudged forward like Kobe after his failed 3-peat bid..But again, unprecedented dominance (41 and 3-peat) left nothing else out there that could meet his competitive needs.. So when his father died, he was like "what's the point"

[3ba11]

No one expected Lebron to give up after Year 7 and team-up with opponents thereafter - so he didn't meet expectation in a broad sense and there are many specific examples of failing expectation such as 2 upset losses to 1-star teams in 09' and 11, or a historic loss as -500 favorite in 2010 (21 on 34% for the last 3 games to lose a 2-1 lead).. Lebron also began the 2011-2016 seasons as the preseason favorite (on-paper favorite), but this favored talent fell to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight yrs, except the Allen miracle.. Furthermore, Lebron was swept in 2023 despite having superior roster and missed the 2019 Playoffs despite Ingram/Kuzma & "playoff mode activated".. He also had perennial Finals underdogs with super-teams and perennial Finals losers with super-teams - he cannot have a winning Finals record regardless of cast (20-21 record in Finals excluding 07/15/18)... <-- those are many examples of underachievement.

History also shows that Lebron missed the 05' Playoffs despite having the East all-star center on his team.. The all-star duo of Lebron and Zydrunas added a HOF coach and 22/5/5 all-defender to make the 06' Playoffs as a favored high seed - so unlike MJ, Lebron wasn't thrown into the playoffs as a rookie 8 seed - he waited 3 years before entering the 06' Playoffs as a favored high seed.

However, people forget that Lebron only had a 45-win team by Year 5 (2008) before getting the all-star spacing that his stiff-arm needs in 2009.. The 2009 Cavs had the 3rd-ranked defense compared to 19th for the 1990 Bulls, while Mo was superior to Pippen offensively across the board (PER, WS/48, BPM, VORP, scoring, efficiency) - so Lebron started with a better team on both sides of the ball, yet Jordan still beat him to titles - i.e. Jordan won the next year in 91', while Lebron kept losing as the favorite for 2 more years in 10' and 11' despite adding Jamison/Shaq to a 66-win league favorite or forming a super-team..

Ultimately, Lebron is too ball-dominant at carry-job volume to beat top teams, so he can't win with 18 on 38% from Mo and infact never beat a top 5 SRS team with weak scoring & efficiency from sidekick (0 carry-jobs vs top teams in 2 decades).

[3ba11]

No one expected Lebron to give up after Year 7 and team-up with opponents thereafter - so he didn't meet expectation in a broad sense and there are many specific examples of failing expectation such as 2 upset losses to 1-star teams in 09' and 11, or a historic loss as -500 favorite in 2010 (21 on 34% for the last 3 games to lose a 2-1 lead).. Lebron also began the 2011-2016 seasons as the preseason favorite (on-paper favorite), but this favored talent fell to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight yrs, except the Allen miracle.. Furthermore, Lebron was swept in 2023 despite having superior roster and missed the 2019 Playoffs despite Ingram/Kuzma & "playoff mode activated".. He also had perennial Finals underdogs with super-teams and perennial Finals losers with super-teams - he cannot have a winning Finals record regardless of cast (20-21 record in Finals excluding 07/15/18)... <-- those are many examples of underachievement.

History also shows that Lebron missed the 05' Playoffs despite having the East all-star center on his team.. The all-star duo of Lebron and Zydrunas added a HOF coach and 22/5/5 all-defender to make the 06' Playoffs as a favored high seed - so unlike MJ, Lebron wasn't thrown into the playoffs as a rookie 8 seed - he waited 3 years before entering the 06' Playoffs as a favored high seed.

However, people forget that Lebron only had a 45-win team by Year 5 (2008) before getting the all-star spacing that his stiff-arm needs in 2009.. The 2009 Cavs had the 3rd-ranked defense compared to 19th for the 1990 Bulls, while Mo was superior to Pippen offensively across the board (PER, WS/48, BPM, VORP, scoring, efficiency) - so Lebron started with a better team on both sides of the ball, yet Jordan still beat him to titles - i.e. Jordan won the next year in 91', while Lebron kept losing as the favorite for 2 more years in 10' and 11' despite adding Jamison/Shaq to a 66-win league favorite or forming a super-team..

Ultimately, Lebron is too ball-dominant at carry-job volume to beat top teams, so he can't win with 18 on 38% from Mo and infact never beat a top 5 SRS team with weak scoring & efficiency from sidekick (0 carry-jobs vs top teams in 2 decades).

[1987_Lakers]

Why are you afraid of Peja?

[Axe]

Why are you afraid of Peja?
:oldlol: