23' Jokic vs 91' Jordan

[3ba11]

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Playoffs

Jokic......... 31.2 PER..... 12.8 BPM.... 0.305 WS/48... 3.0 VORP
Jordan'...... 32.0 PER..... 14.6 BPM.... 0.333 WS/48... 2.9 VORP


Finals

Jokic.......... 30.0..... 7.2 APG... 27.7 gmsc.. defeated Butler
Jordan'....... 31.2... 11.4 APG... 29.4 gmsc.. defeated Magic

[1987_Lakers]

Jokic, by far.

[RRR3]

Jokic hands down.

[3ba11]

It would be interesting to see Jokic in previous eras of real bigs and real basketball.. And Gordon or Porter are both Pippen-caliber talents that are playing a lower option than Pippen played alongside MJ - Pippen was only a 2nd option alongside MJ and otherwise was a 3rd to 7th option

[Axe]

Joker did it in a tougher era.

[3ba11]

Joker did it in a tougher era.


Easier passing via open paint and spacing - more advantages for great players to take advantage of in this era

[Duffy Pratt]

It would be interesting to see Jokic in previous eras of real bigs and real basketball.. And Gordon or Porter are both Pippen-caliber talents that are playing a lower option than Pippen played alongside MJ - Pippen was only a 2nd option alongside MJ and otherwise was a 3rd to 7th option

Pippen was such trash that, when Jordan left the team, all his stats went up, and the team dropped all the way from 57 to 55 wins. The next year, without Jordan, Pippen led the team in every major statistical category. Of course, when the scrub Grant left, it made no difference and the team got 47 wins. (Dropped 2 when Jordan left, dropped another 7 when Grant left, even with Jordan's 1/4 season return.)

He was not just otherwise a 3rd to 7th option without Jordan. For a year and three quarters, he was the man on a depleted team, and he fared pretty well, especially that first year.

Make up another narrative. This one gets tired.

[Duffy Pratt]

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Playoffs

Jokic......... 31.2 PER..... 12.8 BPM.... 0.305 WS/48... 3.0 VORP
Jordan'...... 32.0 PER..... 14.6 BPM.... 0.333 WS/48... 2.9 VORP


Finals

Jokic.......... 30.0..... 7.2 APG... 27.7 gmsc.. defeated Butler
Jordan'....... 31.2... 11.4 APG... 29.4 gmsc.. defeated Magic

Notice you left out the rebounding stats. And Jokik didn't defeat Butler - the Nuggets beat the Heat. Similarly, the Bulls beat the Lakers. It's a team game, no matter how much you want to turn it into something else.

[HighFlyer23]

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Playoffs

Jokic......... 31.2 PER..... 12.8 BPM.... 0.305 WS/48... 3.0 VORP
Jordan'...... 32.0 PER..... 14.6 BPM.... 0.333 WS/48... 2.9 VORP


Finals

Jokic.......... 30.0..... 7.2 APG... 27.7 gmsc.. defeated Butler
Jordan'....... 31.2... 11.4 APG... 29.4 gmsc.. defeated Magic

Jokic you little **********

[kawhileonard2]

You brought this on yourself. But what we know is true is that The Joker can't beat Batman.

[Full Court]

Jordan has waaayyyyy better competition in the Lakers than Jokic did with the Heat.

So Jordan. The only people who would say otherwise are Bronie fluffers who are upset that their hero got swept like a dirty chimney.

[ShawkFactory]

Jordan has waaayyyyy better competition in the Lakers than Jokic did with the Heat.

So Jordan. The only people who would say otherwise are Bronie fluffers who are upset that their hero got swept like a dirty chimney.

Huh? Didn’t Joker face an ABSOLUTE SUPERTEAM in the WCF?

Also..and the 3ball Jokic bashing threads begin :applause:

Enjoy the next couple years.

[bullettooth]

Joker did it in a tougher era.

You really believe that? :hammerhead:

[SouBeachTalents]

And so it begins.

[plowking]

Jordan has waaayyyyy better competition in the Lakers than Jokic did with the Heat.

So Jordan. The only people who would say otherwise are Bronie fluffers who are upset that their hero got swept like a dirty chimney.

Jordan played the 39 win Knicks, the 44 win Sixers and then an ageing Pistons squad that won 50 games and barely won their first round match up.

Denver beat 2 teams that were favoured against them - Phoenix and Lakers directly during the series start. Lakers had the 2nd best record post trades/All Star break. Phoenix had Booker/Durant/Paul/Ayton as a super team.

[FultzNationRISE]

You really believe that? :hammerhead:


Do you really think the game of professional basketball has gotten less competitive in the last 30 years?

[Axe]

Do you really think the game of professional basketball has gotten less competitive in the last 30 years?
Oof.

[3ba11]

Do you really think the game of professional basketball has gotten less competitive in the last 30 years?


It's been less competitive in the last 15 years due to rivals and franchise players teaming up on 1 team (super-teams)

It's easier to win titles as 1 of 2 super-teams in a top-heavy league, rather than being 1 of many good teams in a parity league..

In the 90's, there were MANY 2-star teams that had a good chance to make the Finals, while recent years have seen 2 stacked super-teams with automatic tickets to the Finals.

[3ba11]

Jordan played the 39 win Knicks, the 44 win Sixers and then an ageing Pistons squad that won 50 games and barely won their first round match up.

Denver beat 2 teams that were favoured against them - Phoenix and Lakers directly during the series start. Lakers had the 2nd best record post trades/All Star break. Phoenix had Booker/Durant/Paul/Ayton as a super team.


Isiah, Dumars and Rodman were 27-29 years old when MJ swept them, while the Big 3 Celtics were 32-34 in when Lebron lost as a massive favorite with his Year 7 organic juggernaut.

Those Cavs basically WERE the nuggets of that time, but they didn't win the title because Lebron averaged 21 on 34% for the last 3 games to lose a 2-1 lead against the fossil Celtics - this historic choke is the only reason the Cavs lost.. Then Lebron followed it up with another choke in 2011.. He's a meltdown machine.

So it isn't easy beating a veteran champion as Lebron found out in 2010, so Jordan's destruction of the long-standing organic champion deserves more respect than Jokic's run over teams that were thrown together at the last minute.. Btw, the 2010 Cavs had 3 scoring options (only 2 for MJ's Bulls), while Shaq would've instantly started on any Bulls team and been the best center MJ ever had - so don't complain about roster - the Cavs had more scoring options, better team defense and better bigs.

[HighFlyer23]

Isiah, Dumars and Rodman were 27-29 years old when MJ swept them, while the Big 3 Celtics were 32-34 in when Lebron lost as a massive favorite with his Year 7 organic juggernaut.

Those Cavs basically WERE the nuggets of that time, but they didn't win the title because Lebron averaged 21 on 34% for the last 3 games to lose a 2-1 lead against the fossil Celtics - this historic choke is the only reason the Cavs lost.. Then Lebron followed it up with another choke in 2011.. He's a meltdown machine.

So it isn't easy beating a veteran champion as Lebron found out in 2010, so Jordan's destruction of the long-standing organic champion deserves more respect than Jokic's run over teams that were thrown together at the last minute.. Btw, the 2010 Cavs had 3 scoring options (only 2 for MJ's Bulls), while Shaq would've instantly started on any Bulls team and been the best center MJ ever had - so don't complain about roster - the Cavs had more scoring options, better team defense and better bigs.

Jokic over Jordan you cvnt

[Full Court]

Huh? Didn’t Joker face an ABSOLUTE SUPERTEAM in the WCF?

Also..and the 3ball Jokic bashing threads begin :applause:

Enjoy the next couple years.

Did you read my post? I specifically called out the FINALS. i.e. the '91 Lakers compared to the '23 Heat.

Yes, Jokic did indeed beat an underachieving superteam in the conference finals. Swept them like a dirty chimney in fact. :lol

[Bacchus]

Jordan played the 39 win Knicks, the 44 win Sixers and then an ageing Pistons squad that won 50 games and barely won their first round match up.

Denver beat 2 teams that were favoured against them - Phoenix and Lakers directly during the series start. Lakers had the 2nd best record post trades/All Star break. Phoenix had Booker/Durant/Paul/Ayton as a super team.

Jordan also beat hall of famers Divac and Worthy in that series

[Full Court]

If my memory serves me correctly, I believe the Bulls were underdogs to the Lakers in '91. But now clowns on here are trying to push the narrative that the Lakers were some collection of scrubs.

:lol Pathetic.

[SouBeachTalents]

If my memory serves me correctly, I believe the Bulls were underdogs to the Lakers in '91. But now clowns on here are trying to push the narrative that the Lakers were some collection of scrubs.

:lol Pathetic.
Just like a clown who tries to push the narrative the 2023 Lakers were a superteam when they were the underdog in every series.

And the Bulls were the favorites in those Finals btw.

[kawhileonard2]

Jordan played the 39 win Knicks, the 44 win Sixers and then an ageing Pistons squad that won 50 games and barely won their first round match up.

Denver beat 2 teams that were favoured against them - Phoenix and Lakers directly during the series start. Lakers had the 2nd best record post trades/All Star break. Phoenix had Booker/Durant/Paul/Ayton as a super team.

Knicks had an all time great in Patrick Ewing, Sixers had an alltime great in Charles Barkley, the Pistons had an all time great in Isiah Thomas and were the 2x defending champions and the Lakers had an all time great GOAT candidate in Magic Johnson along with James Worthy and Magic was 2nd in MVP voting. https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1991_preseason_odds.html Pistons and Lakers both had the best odds to win the title and MJ beat both of them.

[plowking]

Knicks had an all time great in Patrick Ewing, Sixers had an alltime great in Charles Barkley, the Pistons had an all time great in Isiah Thomas and were the 2x defending champions and the Lakers had an all time great GOAT candidate in Magic Johnson along with James Worthy and Magic was 2nd in MVP voting. https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1991_preseason_odds.html Pistons and Lakers both had the best odds to win the title and MJ beat both of them.

The Suns and Lakers of this year would beat all those teams.

[plowking]

Isiah, Dumars and Rodman were 27-29 years old when MJ swept them, while the Big 3 Celtics were 32-34 in when Lebron lost as a massive favorite with his Year 7 organic juggernaut.

Those Cavs basically WERE the nuggets of that time, but they didn't win the title because Lebron averaged 21 on 34% for the last 3 games to lose a 2-1 lead against the fossil Celtics - this historic choke is the only reason the Cavs lost.. Then Lebron followed it up with another choke in 2011.. He's a meltdown machine.

So it isn't easy beating a veteran champion as Lebron found out in 2010, so Jordan's destruction of the long-standing organic champion deserves more respect than Jokic's run over teams that were thrown together at the last minute.. Btw, the 2010 Cavs had 3 scoring options (only 2 for MJ's Bulls), while Shaq would've instantly started on any Bulls team and been the best center MJ ever had - so don't complain about roster - the Cavs had more scoring options, better team defense and better bigs.

Why are you talking about LeBron?

Jokic>Jordan

[Axe]

Knicks had an all time great in Patrick Ewing, Sixers had an alltime great in Charles Barkley, the Pistons had an all time great in Isiah Thomas and were the 2x defending champions and the Lakers had an all time great GOAT candidate in Magic Johnson along with James Worthy and Magic was 2nd in MVP voting. https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1991_preseason_odds.html Pistons and Lakers both had the best odds to win the title and MJ beat both of them.
Clueless casual confirmed.

[kawhileonard2]

The Suns and Lakers of this year would beat all those teams.

Not even close. Those teams would destroy. We saw what Embiid did to Jokic imagine Ewing, Barkley, they would rape him.

[Full Court]

Just like a clown who tries to push the narrative the 2023 Lakers were a superteam when they were the underdog in every series.

And the Bulls were the favorites in those Finals btw.

They were.

A super team that massively underachieved.

Truth hurts, doesn't it.

[Overdrive]

Not even close. Those teams would destroy. We saw what Embiid did to Jokic imagine Ewing, Barkley, they would rape him.

Yeah, he dodged him. In years past that would've cost him the MVP.

[sdot_thadon]

Jokic didn't need Pippen to win:kobe:

[ShawkFactory]

Did you read my post? I specifically called out the FINALS. i.e. the '91 Lakers compared to the '23 Heat.

Yes, Jokic did indeed beat an underachieving superteam in the conference finals. Swept them like a dirty chimney in fact. :lol

Yes, I read your purposefully dishonest and cherry-picked post.

[ILLsmak]

I could have the computer play the computer on NBA 2k23 see what would happens. I was flipping thru the centers in modern era, trying to pick a team with one to match up with him and it's like... ??...??... he's got no comp at C. Shaq had teams signing people to guard him so nobody can say that. They would foul him. LOL. It's like... think about that for a second. You got two bums on your bench for extra fouls to throw at shaq or to bang with him for 8 minutes. Nobody can bang with me for 48 - Shaq. I just feel like Shaq would physically bodybag him. He would get discouraged.

Like loool video game, but troll thred get trolled, I put a cpu v cpu game good sliders and Jokic got outplayed by Ewing. I put on 1972 Lakers and chamberlain ate his ****ing lunch. His first fade away was so contested he did like a seizure animation. There's nobody like that in the league right now. That's a real center, and you need those. They should prol play like Jokic but some guy who is bigger, stronger and skilled with some IQ would smash his face into the ground. I say that as a Joker fan. I'd love to be proven wrong. WHAT ELSE DO I NEED TO SIMULATE?!

Edit: like even Wemby would prol kill Joker's scoring or Manute. He isn't good at making power moves. I know yall gonna hate. I don't watch. I don't watch much. I've seen what I saw and if he ain't bringing his best shit in the finals then **** him.

-Smak

[3ba11]

Jokic didn't need Pippen to win:kobe:


Jokic is still a passer like Magic or Lebron, so he needs ridiculous and expensive scoring help just like they did, and therefore more sophisticated, high-producing players than the role players that Jordan needed.

Specifically, Jokic needed an elite-producing "closer" to nearly co-lead the playoff scoring - he also needed 2 athletic, 17-point wing scorers at 3rd and 4th option that MJ never had - MJ had these things at 2nd option (pippen), but not 3rd or 4th option.

It's interesting because Jokic's skillset requires the GM to find an elite closer, so his skillset makes the closer role very important, whereas mj WAS the closer and his skillset made the passing role relatively UNimportant - MJ had far less passing help than other 90's stars.. To summarize, MJ needed less help because he was the closer (while Jokic needs a closer) and MJ's skillset didn't need passing help either, or less than his peers.. aka Kobe didn't need any passing help and MJ was like that as well, but Pippen's' 5 APG just happened to be there (still less passing help than other stars enjoyed).

Btw, by saying Jordan "needed" Pippen, you're punishing him for setting the goat standard of winning with the first all-star he received and never needing another one, while everyone else in history needed MANY all-star teammates but still won less.. And Pippen wasn't an elite producer or franchise player like many other sidekicks such as Kareem, Kobe, Curry, Wade, Kawhi, Drexler, AD or #1 pick like Kyrie - these guys were elite producers and franchise players, while Pippen was a system player and not even a 2nd option without the goat scorer (3rd to 7th option without MJ).. If Pippen is the best scorer on a team, the team will fall out of contention QUICKLY due to lack of talent, even a 3-peat dynasty as we saw in 95'.

[sdot_thadon]

Jokic is still a passer like Magic or Lebron, so he needs ridiculous and expensive scoring help just like they did, and therefore more sophisticated, high-producing players than the role players that Jordan needed.

Specifically, Jokic needed an elite-producing "closer" to nearly co-lead the playoff scoring - he also needed 2 athletic, 17-point wing scorers at 3rd and 4th option that MJ never had - MJ had these things at 2nd option (pippen), but not 3rd or 4th option.

It's interesting because Jokic's skillset requires the GM to find an elite closer, so his skillset makes the closer role very important, whereas mj WAS the closer and his skillset made the passing role relatively UNimportant - MJ had far less passing help than other 90's stars.. To summarize, MJ needed less help because he was the closer (while Jokic needs a closer) and MJ's skillset didn't need passing help either, or less than his peers.. aka Kobe didn't need any passing help and MJ was like that as well, but Pippen's' 5 APG just happened to be there (still less passing help than other stars enjoyed).

Btw, by saying Jordan "needed" Pippen, you're punishing him for setting the goat standard of winning with the first all-star he received and never needing another one, while everyone else in history needed MANY all-star teammates but still won less.. And Pippen wasn't an elite producer or franchise player like many other sidekicks such as Kareem, Kobe, Curry, Wade, Kawhi, Drexler, AD or #1 pick like Kyrie - these guys were elite producers and franchise players, while Pippen was a system player and not even a 2nd option without the goat scorer (3rd to 7th option without MJ).. If Pippen is the best scorer on a team, the team will fall out of contention QUICKLY due to lack of talent, even a 3-peat dynasty as we saw in 95'.

In short what you're saying is mj took waaaayyy too many shots to allow another scorer alongside him? Agreed, so Mj needed the most specific help in nba history to win. He literally needed a guy that could do it all. Every other great just needed other guys that could put it in the bucket now and then and they took care of the rest. Mj actually needed THE most help ever all things considered....

[3ba11]

In short what you're saying is mj took waaaayyy too many shots to allow another scorer alongside him? Agreed, so Mj needed the most specific help in nba history to win. He literally needed a guy that could do it all. Every other great just needed other guys that could put it in the bucket now and then and they took care of the rest. Mj actually needed THE most help ever all things considered....


Jokic needed Murray score and pass more than Pippen (10.0 APG in Finals)

The lack of scoring help forced MJ to average 5 more points than all the best scorers in playoff history like Durant, Lebron, Kobe and West.. That's absurd, which is why MJ's cast was bad.. He had less scoring and passing help than other 90's 1st options and FAR worse bigs (rim protection & rebounding).




In short what you're saying is mj took waaaayyy too many shots to allow another scorer alongside him? Agreed, so Mj needed the most specific help in nba history to win. He literally needed a guy that could do it all. Every other great just needed other guys that could put it in the bucket now and then and they took care of the rest. Mj actually needed THE most help ever all things considered....


92' Pippen...... 21.0 and 7.0 apg
94' Pippen...... 22.0 and 5.6 apg

92' Horace..... 14/10
94' Horace..... 15/11


^^^ MJ's teammates played to full capacity alongside him, or at least 90%, while other player-types like ball-dominators (Lebron or Luka) crater teammate stats, so they always need more help.

[Axe]

Yes, I read your purposefully dishonest and cherry-picked post.
:oldlol:

[kawhileonard2]

Jokic didn't need Pippen to win:kobe:

He needed someone better. Murray put up 50 in the playoffs and a 30 point triple double and averaged 26 in the finals.

[tpols]

Jokic is still a passer like Magic or Lebron, so he needs ridiculous and expensive scoring help just like they did, and therefore more sophisticated, high-producing players than the role players that Jordan needed.

Specifically, Jokic needed an elite-producing "closer" to nearly co-lead the playoff scoring - he also needed 2 athletic, 17-point wing scorers at 3rd and 4th option that MJ never had - MJ had these things at 2nd option (pippen), but not 3rd or 4th option.

It's interesting because Jokic's skillset requires the GM to find an elite closer, so his skillset makes the closer role very important, whereas mj WAS the closer and his skillset made the passing role relatively UNimportant - MJ had far less passing help than other 90's stars.. To summarize, MJ needed less help because he was the closer (while Jokic needs a closer) and MJ's skillset didn't need passing help either, or less than his peers.. aka Kobe didn't need any passing help and MJ was like that as well, but Pippen's' 5 APG just happened to be there (still less passing help than other stars enjoyed).

Btw, by saying Jordan "needed" Pippen, you're punishing him for setting the goat standard of winning with the first all-star he received and never needing another one, while everyone else in history needed MANY all-star teammates but still won less.. And Pippen wasn't an elite producer or franchise player like many other sidekicks such as Kareem, Kobe, Curry, Wade, Kawhi, Drexler, AD or #1 pick like Kyrie - these guys were elite producers and franchise players, while Pippen was a system player and not even a 2nd option without the goat scorer (3rd to 7th option without MJ).. If Pippen is the best scorer on a team, the team will fall out of contention QUICKLY due to lack of talent, even a 3-peat dynasty as we saw in 95'.

Jamal Murray ain't a better talent than early 90s Pippen. He had a super hot spot vs LA but in general he's not as talented. You're discounting the momentum jokic gives his teammates. Pippen is overrated but his stand alone value as a super iggy is more valuable.

[ShawkFactory]

Jamal Murray ain't a better talent than early 90s Pippen. He had a super hot spot vs LA but in general he's not as talented. You're discounting the momentum jokic gives his teammates. Pippen is overrated but his stand alone value as a super iggy is more valuable.

No shit. Why are you acting like you’re speaking to a reasonable person. Just because you hate Lebron too and generally enjoy his posts doesn’t mean much. Being the Jokic fan you seem to be..you’ll find out very quickly just how ridiculous his arguments are when he turns on Yolk :lol

[3ba11]

Jamal Murray ain't a better talent than early 90s Pippen. He had a super hot spot vs LA but in general he's not as talented. You're discounting the momentum jokic gives his teammates. Pippen is overrated but his stand alone value as a super iggy is more valuable.


You think peak Iguoudala is better than Murray?

No way

Murray just had his 2nd playoff run of 26-27 ppg and he was occasionally the best player in various series either this year or previous runs.. Iggy or Pippen could never be the best player in a series over a top franchise player like Jokic, Shaq, Duncan, MJ, Lebron, Kobe, Luka, Embiid, etc, etc, et

Btw, a guy like Andrew Wiggins was a prodigal #1 pick and more talented than Pippen, aka Jordan would've gotten higher levels from Wiggins than we saw from Pippen - this is true for tons of guys including studs like Dominique or Worthy (if they had landed alongside Jordan), or lesser guys like Danny Manning, Reggie Lewis, Len Bias, Roy Tarpley, Bam, Porzingas, Iguodala and tons of other guys that we could easily come up with.

Pippen entered the league as an 8-point puppy, while everyone else just mentioned was much better and often considered MORE talented (Bias, Manning, Wiggins, Porzingas, etc).. Wiggins entered the league as a 20 ppg player that just needed someone to bring out the prodigal talent that he had.. He never got it until later from an old Curry.. Meanwhile, Pippen got the guidance as a rookie and was elevated to a production level comparable to Wiggins, whereas Wiggins was already there and could've gone higher with someone to light that fire.

Guys like Aaron Gordon, Horace Grant, Dennis Rodman, Jeff Green, Iggy, Jason Richardson (or even Bruce Brown is like a shorter version) - these guys are just athletes and that's the class that I put Pippen in - I'm not saying he would be Horace Grant if he didn't land alongside Jordan - I'm saying he would only be a somewhat better like say an Iggy, but still the same class of player (athlete/dunker/defender).

He just happened to land next to a "god in basketball shoes" and 35/6/6/DPOY that was destined for goatness - that's it - that's the only difference between Pippen and Iguodala, Porzingas, Wiggins and players of that caliber.

His handle was only a LITTLE BETTER than the aforementioned players (Gordon probably has a better handle tbh) - people have this idea that Pippen's handle was MUCH better than say, Horace Grant.. It wasn't.. It was just a little better.. He could barely crossover and gather-step in the halfcourt - barely.. that was his caliber.

[houston]

Joking of course

[3ba11]

Defenders like Pippen cost a couple million, while Murray cost 30 million - even if we adjust for era, Murray is still paid like the elite scorer that he is, while Pippen is just an athlete/defender and paid as such.. He's extremely replaceable by any good athlete, while his marginal scoring or assists can be made up elsewhere.

For example, if Murray replaced Pippen on the Bulls, he would actually replace Paxson, while Pippen would be replaced by any number of athletes/defenders

Otoh, Murray cannot be replaced by Pippen on the Nuggets - Jokic needs an elite-scoring/shooting clutch assassin that can be an equal-scoring partner - these things are the opposite of Pippen..

The real question is whether Pippen would even be 3rd option on the Nuggets... Gordon and Porter averaged 17 ppg in the regular season, which is above Pippen's career average - they would all be battling for the 3rd option role and it would alternate each night probably.

[Phoenix]

:oldlol: I see 3nutball has selected his next 10,000 thread target for the coming decade.

[Full Court]

Yes, I read your purposefully dishonest and cherry-picked post.

Ok, then you chose to ignore what I wrote and argue against something completely different.

"Purposefully dishonest." :lol Yet you can't point out a single inaccuracy in it.

You're not taking Lebron getting swept very well either, are you?

[Hey Yo]

If Jokic wins another ring next year, he'll definitely will have passed quitter MJ.

[ShawkFactory]

Ok, then you chose to ignore what I wrote and argue against something completely different.

"Purposefully dishonest." :lol Yet you can't point out a single inaccuracy in it.

You're not taking Lebron getting swept very well either, are you?

Correct. Because what you wrote was dumb and dishonest.

[Full Court]

Correct. Because what you wrote was dumb and dishonest.

You're not very good at this. Here's my post once again.

"Jordan has waaayyyyy better competition in the Lakers than Jokic did with the Heat.

So Jordan. The only people who would say otherwise are Bronie fluffers who are upset that their hero got swept like a dirty chimney."

Which part do you think is "dishonest"? That the '91 Lakers were better than the '23 Heat? Or that Lebron got swept? Not a good look for your intellect, is it?

You're coming off like a sore loser. :lol

[1987_Lakers]

If my memory serves me correctly, I believe the Bulls were underdogs to the Lakers in '91. But now clowns on here are trying to push the narrative that the Lakers were some collection of scrubs.

:lol Pathetic.

This dude talking about underdogs while the Lakers this year were underdogs in every series this postseason and he still calls them a superteam. :roll:

[1987_Lakers]

I swear full court is scared of me. Everytime I post he mysteriously logs off. Then responds hours later while thinking of a response.

[ShawkFactory]

You're not very good at this. Here's my post once again.

"Jordan has waaayyyyy better competition in the Lakers than Jokic did with the Heat.

So Jordan. The only people who would say otherwise are Bronie fluffers who are upset that their hero got swept like a dirty chimney."

Which part do you think is "dishonest"? That the '91 Lakers were better than the '23 Heat? Or that Lebron got swept? Not a good look for your intellect, is it?

You're coming off like a sore loser. :lol

The dishonesty comes from implying that your point actually matters.

I’m not arguing any factual inaccuracies or whatever.

I’m also a big fan of Joker so I’m not sure what I’ve lost.

[ELITEpower23]

It's been less competitive in the last 15 years due to rivals and franchise players teaming up on 1 team (super-teams)

It's easier to win titles as 1 of 2 super-teams in a top-heavy league, rather than being 1 of many good teams in a parity league..

In the 90's, there were MANY 2-star teams that had a good chance to make the Finals, while recent years have seen 2 stacked super-teams with automatic tickets to the Finals.

Dumb cvnt alert :lol

How low can your IQ get? Jesus bro...

2010-2020 > 1990-2000

Period

[Full Court]

This dude talking about underdogs while the Lakers this year were underdogs in every series this postseason and he still calls them a superteam. :roll:

More desperation from the ISH punching bag. :lol

Your hero was the only superstar in the history of the sport to lead a superteam to the lottery.

The only one.

Ponder that deeply for a while.

:lebronamazed:

[1987_Lakers]

More desperation from the ISH punching bag. :lol

Your hero was the only superstar in the history of the sport to lead a superteam to the lottery.

The only one.

Ponder that deeply for a while.

:lebronamazed:

Took you almost 3 hours to come up with this. :oldlol:

[tpols]

Both GOAT playoff runs.

Yolk would give MJs teams problems because of his stoicism and not being enamored by anybodys celebrity.

But Jordan would likely put his ass on a poster. :lol MJ makes Jimmy Butler look like he's moving in molasses. His explosiveness and quickness and finishing ability would crucify Denvers rim protection.

[Axe]

Both GOAT playoff runs.

Yolk would give MJs teams problems because of his stoicism and not being enamored by anybodys celebrity.

But Jordan would likely put his ass on a poster. :lol MJ makes Jimmy Butler look like he's moving in molasses. His explosiveness and quickness and finishing ability would crucify Denvers rim protection.
Kinda hard to imagine without scottie pippen being a blessing on defense. Good thing he was. :oldlol:

[tpols]

Kinda hard to imagine without scottie pippen being a blessing on defense. Good thing he was. :oldlol:

Yolk ain't Kukoc my boy. Jokic has 50+ lbs and height on Scottie. He would body him. Rodman would be a problem though.

[Full Court]

Took you almost 3 hours to come up with this. :oldlol:

^ISH punching bag gets upset because I don't spend every waking minute on ISH like he does. What a whiner. :roll:

And your hero STILL led a superteam to the lottery. Suck on that for a while.

:lebronamazed:

[1987_Lakers]

^ISH punching bag gets upset because I don't spend every waking minute on ISH like he does. What a whiner. :roll:

And your hero STILL led a superteam to the lottery. Suck on that for a while.

:lebronamazed:

We both know you logged off immediately after you saw my post. No need to cover up. We all know you go ghost mode and come back hours later to think of something to say. :oldlol:

[Full Court]

We both know you logged off immediately after you saw my post. No need to cover up. We all know you go ghost mode and come back hours later to think of something to say. :oldlol:

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So bitter that I keep making you look foolish. :lol

[1987_Lakers]

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So bitter that I keep making you look foolish. :lol

I think it's the other way around. Remember when a couple of days ago you said Kyrie was on the '18 Cavs? Once I pointed out that you were wrong, you didn't even address your mistake. :lol

[Full Court]

I think it's the other way around. Remember when a couple of days ago you said Kyrie was on the '18 Cavs? Once I pointed out that you were wrong, you didn't even address your mistake. :lol

Remember how you went into a meltdown when I proved that LeShrivel has the most choke jobs in the history of the sport?

Let me refresh your memory. :lol

2007 game 1 against Detroit. 10 points on 33% shooting. LOSS.
Game 2 against Detroit. 19 points on 37% shooting. LOSS.
Game 1 against the Spurs. 14 points on 25% shooting. LOSS.
2008 game 1 against Boston. 12 points and 10 turnovers on 11% shooting. 0/6 from three. LOSS.
Game 2 against Boston. 21 points on 25% shooting. LOSS.
Game 3 against Boston. 21 points on 31% shooting.
Game 4 against Boston. 21 points on 35% shooting.
2009 game 3 against Orlando. He scored 41 points, but on absolutely horrendous efficiency. 39% shooting and 1/8 from three. LOSS. Someone should have made him stop shooting.
2010 game 5 against Boston. 15 points on 21% shooting!!! LOSS. The series was tied 2-2 until that game. That Lebron choke put the Cavs down 3-2, and they went on to lose the series.
2011 game 1 against Philadelphia. 21 points on 29% shooting.
Game 5 against Philadelphia. 16 points on 39% shooting.
Game 3 against Boston. 15 points on 38% shooting. LOSS.
Game 1 against Chicago. 15 points on 33% shooting. LOSS.
Finals against Dallas. Most epic choke job of all time. Game 3, 17 points.
Game 4, 8 points on 27% shooting. LOSS.
Game 5, 17 points. LOSS.
Game 6, 21 points and 6 turnovers. LOSS.
2013 game 2 against San Antonio. 17 points on 41% shooting. LOSS.
Game 3 against San Antonio, 15 points on 33% shooting. LOSS.
Game 5 against San Antonio, 25 points on 36% shooting. LOSS.
2014 game 5 against Indiana. 7 points on 20% shooting. Whooaaaaaaaa! LOSS.
2015 game 1 against Chicago. 19 points on 41% shooting. LOSS.
Game 6 against Chicago. 15 points on 30% shooting.
Game 4 against Golden State. 20 points on 32% shooting.
2016 game 3 against Detroit. 20 points on 33% shooting.
Game 2 against Golden State. 19 points on 42% shooting. LOSS.
2017 game 3 against Boston. 11 points on 31% shooting. LOSS.
2018 game 1 against Indiana. 24 points on 41% shooting. 0% from three. LOSS.
Game 1 against Boston. 15 points on 31% shooting. LOSS.
2020 game 2 against Portland. 10 points on 36% shooting.
Game 1 against Houston. 20 points. LOSS.
Game 4 against Houston. 16 points on 41% shooting.
Game 1 against Denver. 15 points.
2021 game 1 against Phoenix. 18 points on 46% shooting. LOSS.
Game 3 against Phoenix. 21 points and 7 turnovers on 47% shooting.
Game 6 against Phoenix. 29 points on 11/26 shooting. ELIMINATION.
2023 game 5 against Memphis. 15 points on 29% shooting. 1-9 from three. LOSS.
Game 1 against Golden State. 22 points on 38% shooting. 1-8 from three.
Game 2 against Denver. 22 points. 0-6 from three. LOSS.
Game 4 against Denver. Wasted multiple possessions in 4th quarter, missed key shots, and blew the game-tying shot in the last possession. SWEPT.

[SaltyMeatballs]

Why is this ****er always talking about LeBron? Always derailing every thread with LeBron talk

[1987_Lakers]

Remember how you went into a meltdown when I proved that LeShrivel has the most choke jobs in the history of the sport?

Let me refresh your memory. :lol

2007 game 1 against Detroit. 10 points on 33% shooting. LOSS.
Game 2 against Detroit. 19 points on 37% shooting. LOSS.
Game 1 against the Spurs. 14 points on 25% shooting. LOSS.
2008 game 1 against Boston. 12 points and 10 turnovers on 11% shooting. 0/6 from three. LOSS.
Game 2 against Boston. 21 points on 25% shooting. LOSS.
Game 3 against Boston. 21 points on 31% shooting.
Game 4 against Boston. 21 points on 35% shooting.
2009 game 3 against Orlando. He scored 41 points, but on absolutely horrendous efficiency. 39% shooting and 1/8 from three. LOSS. Someone should have made him stop shooting.
2010 game 5 against Boston. 15 points on 21% shooting!!! LOSS. The series was tied 2-2 until that game. That Lebron choke put the Cavs down 3-2, and they went on to lose the series.
2011 game 1 against Philadelphia. 21 points on 29% shooting.
Game 5 against Philadelphia. 16 points on 39% shooting.
Game 3 against Boston. 15 points on 38% shooting. LOSS.
Game 1 against Chicago. 15 points on 33% shooting. LOSS.
Finals against Dallas. Most epic choke job of all time. Game 3, 17 points.
Game 4, 8 points on 27% shooting. LOSS.
Game 5, 17 points. LOSS.
Game 6, 21 points and 6 turnovers. LOSS.
2013 game 2 against San Antonio. 17 points on 41% shooting. LOSS.
Game 3 against San Antonio, 15 points on 33% shooting. LOSS.
Game 5 against San Antonio, 25 points on 36% shooting. LOSS.
2014 game 5 against Indiana. 7 points on 20% shooting. Whooaaaaaaaa! LOSS.
2015 game 1 against Chicago. 19 points on 41% shooting. LOSS.
Game 6 against Chicago. 15 points on 30% shooting.
Game 4 against Golden State. 20 points on 32% shooting.
2016 game 3 against Detroit. 20 points on 33% shooting.
Game 2 against Golden State. 19 points on 42% shooting. LOSS.
2017 game 3 against Boston. 11 points on 31% shooting. LOSS.
2018 game 1 against Indiana. 24 points on 41% shooting. 0% from three. LOSS.
Game 1 against Boston. 15 points on 31% shooting. LOSS.
2020 game 2 against Portland. 10 points on 36% shooting.
Game 1 against Houston. 20 points. LOSS.
Game 4 against Houston. 16 points on 41% shooting.
Game 1 against Denver. 15 points.
2021 game 1 against Phoenix. 18 points on 46% shooting. LOSS.
Game 3 against Phoenix. 21 points and 7 turnovers on 47% shooting.
Game 6 against Phoenix. 29 points on 11/26 shooting. ELIMINATION.
2023 game 5 against Memphis. 15 points on 29% shooting. 1-9 from three. LOSS.
Game 1 against Golden State. 22 points on 38% shooting. 1-8 from three.
Game 2 against Denver. 22 points. 0-6 from three. LOSS.
Game 4 against Denver. Wasted multiple possessions in 4th quarter, missed key shots, and blew the game-tying shot in the last possession. SWEPT.

Deflecting again, still won't admit you were clueless about Kyrie not being in the '18 Cavs. :lol

And I did respond to your dumb LeBron point. If you are going to label 40% shooting nights as "chokes", then Bill Russell, the dude who has 11 rings might be the biggest choker ever considering he has 76 playoff games where he shot 40% or worse.

"Bill Russell, the ultimate choker" - full court.

[SaltyMeatballs]

Deflecting again, still won't admit you were clueless about Kyrie not being in the '18 Cavs. :lol

And I did respond to your dumb LeBron point. If you are going to label 40% shooting nights as "chokes", then Bill Russell, the dude who has 11 rings might be the biggest choker ever considering 76 playoff games where he shot 40% or worse.

"Bill Russell, the ultimate choker" - full court.

Don't waste your time arguing with the parasite of ISH. It's impossible to change his mind no matter how many valid points you bring. I envy anyone who hasn't come across that inbred

[Axe]

Don't waste your time arguing with the parasite of ISH. It's impossible to change his mind no matter how many valid points you bring. I envy anyone who hasn't come across that inbred
His childish pollution-causing behavior hasn't changed at all even after he got banned twice already. How shameless. What's even more pathetic about him is that forum gods such as kblaze and rmwg also think he's an outright troll, which is very true in so many ways. :yaohappy:

Can't believe the most staunch lebron haters are this pathetic. :lol

[SaltyMeatballs]

His childish pollution-causing behavior hasn't changed at all even after he got banned twice already. How shameless. What's even more pathetic about him is that forum gods such as kblaze and rmwg also think he's an outright troll, which is very true in so many ways. :yaohappy:

Can't believe the most staunch lebron haters are this pathetic. :lol

If I were them, I would've perma-banned his ass a long time ago. He doesn't bring any value to this forum and his "trolling" is so ****ing lame

[Full Court]

Deflecting again, still won't admit you were clueless about Kyrie not being in the '18 Cavs. :lol

And I did respond to your dumb LeBron point. If you are going to label 40% shooting nights as "chokes", then Bill Russell, the dude who has 11 rings might be the biggest choker ever considering he has 76 playoff games where he shot 40% or worse.

"Bill Russell, the ultimate choker" - full court.

Remember when I showed everyone that you have no clue what an advanced stat is?

:roll:

You are basically a basketball ignoramus. :lol

[Full Court]

His childish pollution-causing behavior hasn't changed at all even after he got banned twice already. How shameless. What's even more pathetic about him is that forum gods such as kblaze and rmwg also think he's an outright troll, which is very true in so many ways. :yaohappy:

Can't believe the most staunch lebron haters are this pathetic. :lol

Austic dingus having a bitch fit. Again.

:roll:

[Full Court]

If I were them, I would've perma-banned his ass a long time ago. He doesn't bring any value to this forum and his "trolling" is so ****ing lame

Man, the truth about LeShrivel really gets you upset.

That can't be healthy.

:milton

[Axe]

^^Keep on banging the rocks together. That way, you'll get closer to a perma. :bowdown:

[1987_Lakers]

Remember when I showed everyone that you have no clue what an advanced stat is?

:roll:

You are basically a basketball ignoramus. :lol

Ahh yes, who can forget the time where everyone laughed their ass off because you didn't know what an advanced stat was, despite multiple people trying to teach you, you still double downed and said basic +- was an advanced stat. :roll:

[ShawkFactory]

If I were them, I would've perma-banned his ass a long time ago. He doesn't bring any value to this forum and his "trolling" is so ****ing lame

Yea there’s never any substance or humor involved. When there’s an attempt it’s lame low-hanging fruit stuff.

It’s very annoying.

[SaltyMeatballs]

Man, the truth about LeShrivel really gets you upset.

That can't be healthy.

:milton

You bring up LeBron in every thread even when a topic has nothing to do with him

Find help

[SouBeachTalents]

Yea there’s never any substance or humor involved. When there’s an attempt it’s lame low-hanging fruit stuff.

It’s very annoying.
He's the Papa Doc of ISH, you already know everything he's going to say before he posts it.

LeBron biggest choker
Bitch fit
Merman picture
Hector Salamanca gif

[RRR3]

He's the Papa Doc of ISH, you already know everything he's going to say before he posts it.

LeBron biggest choker
Bitch fit
Merman picture
Hector Salamanca gif
How could you forget referring to LeBron as “Bronie” like he’s his lover

[Full Court]

^^Keep on banging the rocks together. That way, you'll get closer to a perma. :bowdown:

As someone mentioned in another thread, most autistic people are highly intelligent. You're one of the few autistic retards. :roll:

[Full Court]

Ahh yes, who can forget the time where everyone laughed their ass off because you didn't know what an advanced stat was, despite multiple people trying to teach you, you still double downed and said basic +- was an advanced stat. :roll:

It is. I proved it, and you couldn't even define an advanced stat. You should know by now not to even try to engage in a battle of wits with me, but you never learn. :lol

By the way, remember that time you didn't even know that Sabonis made the all star team. :roll:

[Full Court]

He's the Papa Doc of ISH, you already know everything he's going to say before he posts it.

LeBron biggest choker
Bitch fit
Merman picture
Hector Salamanca gif

^Sounds suspiciously like he's having a bitch fit.

:roll:

[Axe]

Redneck jizzrag desperately asking for it. :yaohappy:

[Full Court]

Redneck jizzrag desperately asking for it. :yaohappy:

^Autistic dingus throwing a bitch fit.

:yaohappy:

[Axe]

Dumb cvnt alert :lol

How low can your IQ get? Jesus bro...

2010-2020 > 1990-2000

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:roll:

Andrew really is such a fool, slick.

[Mask the Embiid]

If Jokic wins another ring next year, he'll definitely will have passed quitter MJ.

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