Robert Kennedy, Jr. on His Uncle JFK and the Military Industrial Complex

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljSbJQk32TQ

[Jasper]

Its amazing that a 6 year old can reflect on government policies ....

he MUST BE A GENIUS

or get paid handsomely for a fabrication(.)

[JohnnySic]

From what I've seen, RFK Jr is actually a quality candidate as far as Democrats go. So naturally they're going to bury him since apparently he wont push their globalist agendas.

[bladefd]

From what I've seen, RFK Jr is actually a quality candidate as far as Democrats go. So naturally they're going to bury him since apparently he wont push their globalist agendas.

He has some crazy views on vaccines and climate change. He wouldn't make it.

[1987_Lakers]

From what I've seen, RFK Jr is actually a quality candidate as far as Democrats go. So naturally they're going to bury him since apparently he wont push their globalist agendas.

:applause:

[diamenz]

He has some crazy views on vaccines and climate change.

they're not "crazy" views. have you heard him explain himself or are you just going by what you hear from cable news hacks? agree with rfk or not, he's at least honest aboyt his views and has done his research. probably and likely more so than any congressional democrat that has the typical taliing piints on those subjects.


He wouldn't make it.

if democrats actually gave him a voice and allowed him to debate he might. the same democrats that have been crying about how trump threatens our democracy, but when it comes to giving candidates a fair shake in the primaries that democracy is nowhere to be found.

ya dig, blade?

[bladefd]

they're not "crazy" views. have you heard him explain himself or are you just going by what you hear from cable news hacks? agree with rfk or not, he's at least honest aboyt his views and has done his research. probably and likely more so than any congressional democrat that has the typical taliing piints on those subjects.



if democrats actually gave him a voice and allowed him to debate he might. the same democrats that have been crying about how trump threatens our democracy, but when it comes to giving candidates a fair shake in the primaries that democracy is nowhere to be found.

ya dig, blade?

The guy thinks vaccines cause autism, and he wrote extensively about that idiotic view. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadly_Immunity

He wanted to create a panel on vaccine safety due to his belief that vaccines cause autism. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-robert-f-kennedy-jr-distorted-vaccine-science1/

Here's a snippet:

Just four days after a correction confirmed that his story had misstated the levels of ethylmercury infants had received—it was actually “40 percent, not 187 times, greater than the EPA’s limit for daily exposure to methyl mercury”—Kennedy told MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough, “We are injecting our children with 400 times the amount of mercury that FDA or EPA considers safe.” Kennedy also said on-air that children were being given 24 vaccines and that each one of them had “this thimerosal, this mercury in them.”

Those statements were not even remotely true: In 2005, the CDC recommended that children under 12 years old receive a total of eight vaccines that protected against a dozen different diseases. Only three of those vaccines had ever used thimerosal as a preservative, and all had been thimerosal-free since 2001.

As for climate change, he is completely opposed to nuclear energy, saying it's a profit-making business. I don't agree with that. We will need some nuclear energy along with solar and wind. Conservatives would probably hate RFK's views on this more than progressives/liberals.

[RRR3]

There are like five people on this board who aren’t completely politically braindead. Imagine thinking a Kennedy is anti-establishment lmfao.

[warriorfan]

There are like five people on this board who aren’t completely politically braindead. Imagine thinking a Kennedy is anti-establishment lmfao.

coming from the same guy who used to constantly parrot nonsense about how he is an “anarcho communist” before realizing if that is what went down he would be fed to the wolves on day 1 :lol :lol


never change bro, you’re inadvertently funny as ****

[1987_Lakers]

There are like five people on this board who aren’t completely politically braindead. Imagine thinking a Kennedy is anti-establishment lmfao.

Umm, two Kennedy's got assassinated for being anti-establishment.

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSw9sjqYK_I

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tclZrJiJSL0

[RRR3]

Umm, two Kennedy's got assassinated for being anti-establishment.
JFK was so anti-establishment he tried to invade Cuba :applause:

RFK the anti-establishment icon who authorized wiretapping MLK :oldlol:


Do some basic research next time Jesus

[1987_Lakers]

JFK was so anti-establishment he tried to invade Cuba :applause:

Did you watch the first two minutes of the vid in the OP?

[RRR3]

Did you watch the first two minutes of the vid in the OP?
Why would I give a shit about what a politician, especially one from a dynasty, says? You think he's a reliable source on his family, you're a rube. Do you seriously not know about the Bay of Pigs? Even if you want to handwave that, good luck explaining Kennedy's ****ery in Vietnam. They even made a movie that touches on what what a lying stooge he was, go see the 2017 film The Post.

[1987_Lakers]

Let's see.

Wanted to dismantle the CIA
Wanted to end war in Vietnam

I would say that is pretty anti-establishment, out of all the conspiracy theories out there, the JFK assassination was pretty obviously a conspiracy, it was a hit made by our own government. Too many weird coincidences and retarded explanations by our government, like the Magic bullet BS and the Warren commission which everyone today feels is a joke. The Kennedy family obviously wasn't perfect, they had a few skeletons in their closet, but these dudes were hated by the establishment.

[1987_Lakers]

Why would I give a shit about what a politician, especially one from a dynasty, says? You think he's a reliable source on his family, you're a rube. Do you seriously not know about the Bay of Pigs? Even if you want to handwave that, good luck explaining Kennedy's ****ery in Vietnam. They even made a movie that touches on what what a lying stooge he was, go see the 2017 film The Post.

The Post is a 2017 American semi-fiction historical political thriller film about The Washington Post and the publication of the Pentagon Papers

:oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

In 1975, 11 years after Kennedy’s assassination, Bradlee published Conversations with Kennedy, a behind-the-scenes look at the former president. A review in the New York Times noted that Bradlee repeatedly described finding himself in hot water with the president over critical coverage.

"He mentions a goodly number of times — almost as a mea culpa — that his reporter's instincts usually got the better of him and he filed stories in Newsweek sufficiently unflattering to the Kennedy Administration to earn the President's salty verbal castigation or temporary social banishment," the review states.

:oldlol:

[RRR3]

Let's see.

Wanted to dismantle the CIA
Wanted to end war in Vietnam

I would say that is pretty anti-establishment, out of all the conspiracy theories out there, the JFK assassination was pretty obviously a conspiracy, it was a hit made by our own government. Too many weird coincidences and retarded explanations by our government, like the Magic bullet BS and the Warren commission which everyone today feels is a joke. The Kennedy family obviously wasn't perfect, they had a few skeletons in their closet, but these dudes were hated by the establishment.

But overall, Kennedy was a gift to that establishment, a militaristic, anticommunist hawk dressed up in the soft garments of trite, inspirational liberalism. Kennedy perpetuated the myth of a US-Soviet “missile gap” to win the 1960 election, despite almost certainly being informed it didn’t exist. (To be fair, there was a missile gap — it was just in the United States’ favor). Once in office, he then sharply increased military spending, expanded the US nuclear arsenal, and stationed nuclear-armed missiles around the world.

The Cuban missile crisis could have been avoided had Kennedy put a stop to the CIA’s ultimately disastrous Cuban regime change operation, including multiple assassination attempts against Castro. Sure, he resisted some of the most extreme elements of the national security establishment, but Kennedy was a reliable Cold Warrior. And while there’s evidence he had private doubts about Vietnam, so did almost every policymaker involved in that catastrophe. As it happens, Kennedy initially expanded the US presence there, despite his personal ambivalence.

https://jacobin.com/2017/10/jfk-files-cia-assassination-conspiracy-theories



Educate yourself. Whether JFK was murdered by a conspiracy or not is irrelevant to the fact that he was largely an establishment stooge. No one who is anti-establishment would have worked with the CIA to try and invade Cuba. I love how you think people hated by the establishment can even get into the types of offices the Kennedys got into :hammerhead: Hated by the establishment is Malcolm X, Angela Davis, MLK, Fred Hampton, etc. No one who upholds capitalism and violent imperialism is the least bit anti-establishment even if they have a few good opinions.

[RRR3]

The Post is a 2017 American semi-fiction historical political thriller film about The Washington Post and the publication of the Pentagon Papers

:oldlol:
Just admit you didn't watch it. The movie is barely about JFK, it just touches on how he was aware of military ****ery is my point. JFK being anti-establishment is an easily debunked myth, he INCREASED military spending :facepalm Explain why someone who's anti-establishment would do that please.

[RRR3]

I can't believe we're honestly discussing whether someone who endorsed Hillary Clinton in the 2008 primaries is anti-establishment :facepalm People like JFK or his nephew wanting to change parts of the establishment is not the same as wanting to tear the whole thing down. JFK still clearly couldn't envision a world where American foreign policy wasn't largely the same even if he didn't like the CIA (more likely he was just angry with them over the botched Bay of Pigs thing than having any personal moral issue with them). Good on him for wanting to withdraw 1000 troops from Vietnam after he was already a war criminal I guess? lol.

[1987_Lakers]

Just admit you didn't watch it. The movie is barely about JFK, it just touches on how he was aware of military ****ery is my point. JFK being anti-establishment is an easily debunked myth, he INCREASED military spending :facepalm Explain why someone who's anti-establishment would do that please.

Bro, you just told me to watch a film that is based on "semi-fiction" to get the real story on JFK. :lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Post_(film)#:~:text=The%20Post%20is%20a%202017 ,Liz%20Hannah%20and%20Josh%20Singer.

The Post is a 2017 American semi-fiction historical political thriller film

I think we are done here.

I'm sure the government killed JFK for no reason at all. :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Bro, you just told me to watch a film that is based on "semi-fiction" to get the real story on JFK. :lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Post_(film)#:~:text=The%20Post%20is%20a%202017 ,Liz%20Hannah%20and%20Josh%20Singer.

The Post is a 2017 American semi-fiction historical political thriller film

I think we are done here.

I'm sure the government killed JFK for no reason at all. :oldlol:
No, I gave you a Jacobin article which detailed his war criminal behavior, the film was listed as evidence that JFK doing ****ery in Vietnam is public knowledge. You're seizing on this film thing because you can't refute his war criminal activities and are realizing you look stupid thinking he was some heroic figure. Absolute crickets on RFK and the MLK thing too, of course. Also you can learn about the Pentagon Papers which do implicate Kennedy :rolleyes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers

I never said the government didn't kill JFK either, I said it's irrelevant, they would have killed Bernie Sanders if he got elected President (far more progressive than JFK ever was) and he's not anti-establishment either. You don't know what anti-establishment actually looks like. Certainly not RFK Jr the Hillary Clinton fan :lol

[RRR3]

Seriously I think you think wanting to make changes means you're anti-establishment. The establishment is capitalism. Bernie wanted to change the system to a more Nordic model type of capitalism, but he did not actually want to tear down the system completely. Can you even find evidence JFK wanted even Nordic style social democracy? Having problems with the military industrial complex doesn't mean you're against the establishment, are we going to say Eisenhower was anti-establishment next?

[1987_Lakers]

No, I gave you a Jacobin article which detailed his war criminal behavior, the film was listed as evidence that JFK doing ****ery in Vietnam is public knowledge. You're seizing on this film thing because you can't refute his war criminal activities and are realizing you look stupid thinking he was some heroic figure. Absolute crickets on RFK and the MLK thing too, of course. Also you can learn about the Pentagon Papers which do implicate Kennedy :rolleyes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers

I never said the government didn't kill JFK either, I said it's irrelevant, they would have killed Bernie Sanders if he got elected President (far more progressive than JFK ever was) and he's not anti-establishment either. You don't know what anti-establishment actually looks like. Certainly not RFK Jr the Hillary Clinton fan :lol

One month before he was killed, JFK announced a withdraw from Vietnam.

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/jfks-vietnam-withdrawal-plan-fact-not-speculation/

JFK was also the same guy who refused to attack its own country in order to go to war with Cuba when asked to do so by the establishment. Operations Northwoods

[RRR3]

One month before he was killed, JFK announced a withdraw from Vietnam.

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/jfks-vietnam-withdrawal-plan-fact-not-speculation/

JFK was also the same guy who refused to attack its own country in order to go to war with Cuba when asked to do so by the establishment. Operations Northwoods
Biden withdrew from Afghanistan, and he's one of the biggest establishment stooges I can think of :hammerhead: And Biden absolutely got blowback for that, and didn't back down. By your logic Biden is anti-establishment.

Trying to act like JFK wasn't violently anti-Cuba is bizarre. You've been duped and are doubling down because you have formed an attachment to the Kennedys. Being better than the average politician doesn't mean you're anti-establishment, especially not when you're RAISING the military budget. Seriously, stop avoiding that. That completely blows up any claim of JFK being anti-establishment. As does the Bay of Pigs stuff. He's not blameless in Vietnam either, even if he learned his lesson eventually I'm not letting him off the hook for the earlier stuff.


I see we're still ignoring RFK okaying the wiretapping of an actual anti-establishment individual in MLK :applause:

[1987_Lakers]

Biden withdrew from Afghanistan, and he's one of the biggest establishment stooges I can think of :hammerhead: And Biden absolutely got blowback for that, and didn't back down. By your logic Biden is anti-establishment.

This is such a dumb comparison. We were in Afghanistan for 20 years, the Vietnam war was in its baby stages.

And don't you find it weird that he was killed one month after he announced a withdraw from Vietnam?

JFK is a guy who went AGAINST the establishment by refusing to attack its own citizens in order to go to war against Cuba and he ordered a Withdraw from Vietnam, by that alone he is anti-establishment. You really think the establishment gave a shit about us leaving Afghanistan after already being in there for 20 years, we already took their poppy fields.

[RRR3]

This is such a dumb comparison. We were in Afghanistan for 20 years, the Vietnam war was in its baby stages.

And don't you find it weird that he was killed one month after he announced a withdraw from Vietnam?

JFK is a guy who went AGAINST the establishment by refusing to attack its own citizens in order to go to war against Cuba and ordered a Withdraw from Vietnam. You really think the establishment gave a shit about us leaving Afghanistan after already being in there for 20 years?
I didn't say he wasn't killed by the CIA or whoever, I already detailed making any changes that don't get pre-approved could get you killed. It doesn't mean he was against the establishment as a whole, just had certain disagreements with them. Is that all you could refute, notice the rest of my post was apparently too hard to reply to? :lol

News flash: no politicians are your friend. You can make the argument to vote for certain politicians in certain situations, but the whole nature of politics just makes it impossible for any of them to be truly for tearing down the system. You don't tear down the system while being part of the system. Anyone who wants to tear down the system doesn't enter politics. Repeating the same stuff about not wanting to attack Americans as if it absolves him of his crimes in Cuba is weird, when it's been extensively detailed that he was highly imperialistic in regards to them. Biden hasn't been President for most of the Afghanistan war either, and I'm not even defending him, I hate the man. It's just a point of how stupid it is to think withdrawing from war makes someone anti-establishment.

[Lakers Legend#32]

RFK's campaign is being funded by Steve Bannon's group.

That's why Republicans are putting out the lie that Democrats are supporting Kennedy.

[Nanners]

RFK's campaign is being funded by Steve Bannon's group.

That's why Republicans are putting out the lie that Democrats are supporting Kennedy.

Yeah everybody knows that obedient democrats only support candidates that are funded by ukrainian gas companies and chinese oligarchs

[bladefd]

RFK's views:

-Wi-fi radiation is screwing up people's brains by allowing toxins in body to enter the brain
-5g towers are making it difficult for people to think clearly
-Vaccines cause autism and many other diseases
-Prozac and antidepressants are responsible for mass shootings
-He questions whether HIV leads to AIDS
-He believes nuclear plants is a money-making business and not safe or viable

How is he not a tinfoil man? Has he really done his research, diamenz? What research has he done for some of these views?

[diamenz]

RFK's views:

-Wi-fi radiation is screwing up people's brains by allowing toxins in body to enter the brain
-5g towers are making it difficult for people to think clearly
-Vaccines cause autism and many other diseases
-Prozac and antidepressants are responsible for mass shootings
-He questions whether HIV leads to AIDS
-He believes nuclear plants is a money-making business and not safe or viable

How is he not a tinfoil man? Has he really done his research, diamenz? What research has he done for some of these views?

i'm not going to go outta my way to defend rfk - he's not my guy. i'd rather use him as a tool to expose the democrats and why they won't debate him/uphold the "democracy" they apparently hold so dear. if he's so batshit crazy why won't biden share a stage with and run circles around him?

i will say this though. agree with him or not, you have to respect the fact that he sticks to talking policy & issues and has his own ideology unlike your beloved democrats. another big plus is that he doesn't have trump derangement.

...and you can bet your last dollar that those vague talking points you listed off are skewed and twisted in an attempt to smear him.

[bladefd]

i'm not going to go outta my way to defend rfk - he's not my guy. i'd rather use him as a tool to expose the democrats and why they won't debate him/uphold the "democracy" they apparently hold so dear. if he's so batshit crazy why won't biden share a stage with and run circles around him?

i will say this though. agree with him or not, you have to respect the fact that he sticks to talking policy & issues and has his own ideology unlike your beloved democrats. another big plus is that he doesn't have trump derangement.

...and you can bet your last dollar that those vague talking points you listed off are skewed and twisted in an attempt to smear him.

Na, they are facts you don't want to hear. Rfk reiterated many of those points on Joe Rogan podcast.

[ILLsmak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyC0bbT3YGQ

2 BRAINS. One cannot entertain a possibility and one cannot exclude one!!

Edit: cog dis is fake.

-Smak

[Axe]

This is such a dumb comparison. We were in Afghanistan for 20 years, the Vietnam war was in its baby stages.

And don't you find it weird that he was killed one month after he announced a withdraw from Vietnam?

JFK is a guy who went AGAINST the establishment by refusing to attack its own citizens in order to go to war against Cuba and he ordered a Withdraw from Vietnam, by that alone he is anti-establishment. You really think the establishment gave a shit about us leaving Afghanistan after already being in there for 20 years, we already took their poppy fields.
The hysteria on his rants is so evident itt. :roll:

[diamenz]

Na, they are facts you don't want to hear. Rfk reiterated many of those points on Joe Rogan podcast.

did you watch the podcast?

[bladefd]

did you watch the podcast?

No, it's a 3hr interview. I read the highlights though: https://podcastnotes.org/joe-rogan-experience/1999-robert-kennedy-jr-the-joe-rogan-experience/

He makes a lot of unverified claims, and he often cites himself as source:

Vaccines:

Some vaccines protect against the targeted illnesses, but ruin the patient’s immune system in the process and inhibit their ability to fight off other minor diseases, according to RFK Jr.


The companies began creating vaccines for everything
An explosion in chronic disease followed this gold rush, particularly autism
The EPA found that the autism epidemic began in 1989


About 1 in 10,000 individuals have autism in RFK Jr.’s generation, but 1 in 34 children have it in his children’s generation
The conventional rebuttal to this is that we are just noticing it more, but the CDC data reveals an increasing prevalence of autism each year


Seemingly no one had allergies when he was growing up, now five of his seven kids have allergies
He says that aluminum adjuvants in vaccines give you allergies; they are designed to elicit a heightened immune response to foreign particles
Chronic diseases are not just from the vaccines; he says our children are swimming around in a toxic soup
But most of the chronic diseases started in 1989 and there are a finite number of culprits that you can point to

No link has been found between vaccines and autism in studies in 90s and 00s. Correlation is not causation.



wi-fi:

Radiation from WiFi can degrade your mitochondria, according to RFK Jr.

He says wi-fi radiation causes cancer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TDeTI5kAb8 (1:48 mark)

He doesn't talk about antidepressants or HIV or nuclear energy in the podcast.

Regardless, I'm not going to go out of my way to fight over RFKjr. I don't think he has a realistic chance of reaching the general election. I still think he has some crazy views on vaccines/autism link and 5g/wi-fi radiation.