Some used to disrespect MJ…

[Ass Dan]

…by saying his era was weak, only played against mechanics and plumbers…

Isn’t Jokic kinda the ultimate unathletic star?

Isn’t he completely dominating the ‘physical specimen’ era?

So dominant infact he swept Bran, destroyed KD (both with top ten sidekicks) and made easy work of Jimmy and Bam.

So…

Lets not short sell plumbers, they must just unclog your crap takes.

[Full Court]

It's just a phony narrative put out by Bronie fluffers to make Lebron look better, seeing how his record can't stand on it's own.

A while back I challenge all the Bronies to make a list of all '90s players who were plumbers, mechanics, and/or grocery baggers.

Shockingly, all I got was crickets....

[John8204]

The weakness of the Jordan era reflected in parity, Jordan didn't have to compete against super teams during his title run. When he played against super teams he got crushed...he then retired when the next generation came along.

Jokic has won a single title...it's an impressive achievement he's top fifteen in his position one could even say top ten now. With that said it's a single season

[Da_Realist]

The weakness of the Jordan era reflected in parity, Jordan didn't have to compete against super teams during his title run. When he played against super teams he got crushed...he then retired when the next generation came along.

Jokic has won a single title...it's an impressive achievement he's top fifteen in his position one could even say top ten now. With that said it's a single season

LeBron lost to superteams with superteams. There's no way prime MJ with a championship level team gets swept or lose in five or lose by record margins like LeBron did. The talent and experience discrepancy would need to be astronomical for MJ's team to get swept like he was against the Celtics. And that was MJ before his balls dropped. No way no how does MJ get embarrassed like LeBron did against the Spurs, Warriors or Nuggets with a contending team. There's a reason LeBron has such a horrible Finals win-loss record. It's because he was embarrassed in most of them.

[iamgine]

…by saying his era was weak, only played against mechanics and plumbers…

Isn’t Jokic kinda the ultimate unathletic star?

Isn’t he completely dominating the ‘physical specimen’ era?

So dominant infact he swept Bran, destroyed KD (both with top ten sidekicks) and made easy work of Jimmy and Bam.

So…

Lets not short sell plumbers, they must just unclog your crap takes.

When people say mechanic and plumbers, they don't only mean athletically. They mean skill wise as well.

[Axe]

That type of rebuttal is used against immature mj stains because many of them usually think that losing in the finals multiple times is a huge stain on a player's legacy. That losing in the first round is better than losing in the biggest stage of the game, which is ridiculous.

Also in the last five years, five different teams have won the championship. The last time that happened was around four decades ago. Whether you like it or not, this era is more all-around. Considering that more international players are winning the finals mvp too.

[FKAri]

Some used to disrespect Wilt by saying his era was weak, only played against mechanics and plumbers…

Isn’t Bird kinda the ultimate unathletic star?

Isn’t he completely dominating the ‘physical specimen’ era?

So dominant infact he swept MJ, destroyed Magic (with a GOAT sidekick) and made easy work of Hakeem and Sampson.

So…

Lets not short sell plumbers, they must just unclog your crap takes.

[RRR3]

LeBron lost to superteams with superteams. There's no way prime MJ with a championship level team gets swept or lose in five or lose by record margins like LeBron did. The talent and experience discrepancy would need to be astronomical for MJ's team to get swept like he was against the Celtics. And that was MJ before his balls dropped. No way no how does MJ get embarrassed like LeBron did against the Spurs, Warriors or Nuggets with a contending team. There's a reason LeBron has such a horrible Finals win-loss record. It's because he was embarrassed in most of them.
Quivering with rage at a simple statement of fact. Yikes.

[Full Court]

Quivering with rage at a simple statement of fact. Yikes.

So how do you psychologically deal with the fact that Bronie formed a super team and then didn't even make it to the play-in?

:lol

[Soundwave]

That type of rebuttal is used against immature mj stains because many of them usually think that losing in the finals multiple times is a huge stain on a player's legacy. That losing in the first round is better than losing in the biggest stage of the game, which is ridiculous.

Also in the last five years, five different teams have won the championship. The last time that happened was around four decades ago. Whether you like it or not, this era is more all-around. Considering that more international players are winning the finals mvp too.

Well I mean that could've happened in the 90s too if Jordan didn't suck the air out of the room winning everything. Without the Bulls, the 90s could've had championships in Orlando or Seattle, Utah, Portland, Phoenix or New York to go with Houston.

[Full Court]

Well I mean that could've happened in the 90s too if Jordan didn't suck the air out of the room winning everything. Without the Bulls, the 90s could've had championships in Orlando or Seattle, Utah, Portland, Phoenix or New York to go with Houston.

You're spot on, but you're replying to a low-IQ dingus who won't comprehend what you wrote.

[FultzNationRISE]

The narrative that Jokic is unathletic is completely false. It's simply based on the fact he's white, doesnt have muscle definition, and waddles when he walks. But none of those things have to do with actual athleticism. It's just that athletic players TYPICALLY look different from him so the mind tends to compartmentalize.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Df2VMiYr5c

Curling off a screen, splitting two defenders and going reverse layup is not something unathletic players can do. The guy is 7 feet tall and weighs nearly three bills. Most people, scaled up to that size, would not be as quick, dexterous, and explosive.

For his size he actually moves a lot like TMac.

He's a lot more athletic than people realize.

[ILLsmak]

Ass Dan best name fr lol yeah it’s just like all the time dudes spend on diet, peds, work out… back in the day they put that time into studying the game. Now they are a well taken care of product.

And their bodies are broken from over use. Either way, peds get u too. Dudes leg snapped like that on tv and what happened was not natural haha. People saying jokic needs to work out don’t see that it would ruin his body. Let him be like nba 2k without boosts.

-Smak

[ArbitraryWater]

LeBron lost to superteams with superteams. There's no way prime MJ with a championship level team gets swept or lose in five or lose by record margins like LeBron did. The talent and experience discrepancy would need to be astronomical for MJ's team to get swept like he was against the Celtics. And that was MJ before his balls dropped. No way no how does MJ get embarrassed like LeBron did against the Spurs, Warriors or Nuggets with a contending team. There's a reason LeBron has such a horrible Finals win-loss record. It's because he was embarrassed in most of them.


There is a lot of information missing here.

You cant just summarize help and competition into 2 made up categories of:

championship level team and not championship level team.

There are levels to this. There is no clear gap/tier to these things.

You coud be a championship eve team like the 2017 Warriors and another championship eve team ike the 2023 Heat, Celtics, 2021 Jazz, 2009 Magic/Nuggets, etc. would get swept.

It doesnt work like that.

You need to apply more nuance and then you relaize that LeBron fought uphill battles, championship-level team or not; and MJ never won as much of an uphill battle as LeBron did in 2016, so its delusional to say he would have won more frequently in his position.

[Axe]

Well I mean that could've happened in the 90s too if Jordan didn't suck the air out of the room winning everything. Without the Bulls, the 90s could've had championships in Orlando or Seattle, Utah, Portland, Phoenix or New York to go with Houston.
Well, yes. But only after 'then along came scottie'. (https://i.ibb.co/Gpyk7Fz/IMG-20230603-203918.jpg)

[LeGoat4Life]

Bron got swept by a Fat pizza white boy

[Full Court]

Bron got swept by a Fat pizza white boy

Swept like a dirty chimney.

:lebronamazed:

[guy]

You need to apply more nuance and then you relaize that LeBron fought uphill battles, championship-level team or not; and MJ never won as much of an uphill battle as LeBron did in 2016, so its delusional to say he would have won more frequently in his position.

This is an overblown and misleading narrative. You’re leaving out how Lebron in many cases creates these uphill battles himself, most of the time due to his ball dominant style. That shouldn’t be a plus for him vs other great players who enabled dynasties through dominating in ball movement centric offenses.

Talent for talent, the 2016 Cavs were not at a disadvantage vs the 2016 Warriors. It’s absurd to think they were 16 games worse like their records suggest. In fact, if we’re not just talking supporting cast, and actually overall talent which includes both Lebron and Steph, there’s no reason they shouldn’t have won.

[LAL]

This is an overblown and misleading narrative. You’re leaving out how Lebron in many cases creates these uphill battles himself, most of the time due to his ball dominant style. That shouldn’t be a plus for him vs other great players who enabled dynasties through dominating in ball movement centric offenses.

Talent for talent, the 2016 Cavs were not at a disadvantage vs the 2016 Warriors. It’s absurd to think they were 16 games worse like their records suggest. In fact, if we’re not just talking supporting cast, and actually overall talent which includes both Lebron and Steph, there’s no reason they shouldn’t have won.

Guys like Jefferson, Shumpert and Thompson started the uphill battle when they started talking trash and bullying every Warrior player. Leweirdo was looking to fight Klay Thompson so he could get ejected because he gave up, was playing vile games and didn't realize his teammates had a purpose behind their actions. I know what i saw.

RJ was ****ing important. Didn't even mention Kyrie & Love.

[Da_Realist]

This is an overblown and misleading narrative. You’re leaving out how Lebron in many cases creates these uphill battles himself, most of the time due to his ball dominant style. That shouldn’t be a plus for him vs other great players who enabled dynasties through dominating in ball movement centric offenses.

Talent for talent, the 2016 Cavs were not at a disadvantage vs the 2016 Warriors. It’s absurd to think they were 16 games worse like their records suggest. In fact, if we’re not just talking supporting cast, and actually overall talent which includes both Lebron and Steph, there’s no reason they shouldn’t have won.

True. Plus it's interesting how the narrative has changed to pump up LeBron. It is much harder to win with a target on your back than to win when no one expects you to. It's much harder to stay on top than to get there in the first place. Subsequent titles are always harder because of the increased pressure, higher expectations, motivated opposition and bloated egos. But the LeBron kids insist that winning as an underdog (even when your teammate outplays the league MVP) is a better feather in LeBron's cap than winning when the whole league has circled you on the calendar since Opening Night. Starting from November 1991 to June 1998, Michael Jordan's Bulls were expected to win every game he played in and for the most part they did: winning 70+ games once and 60+ multiple times and only facing three elimination games during that stretch. That is infinitely harder than going on a nice 3 game stretch against a team that was struggling all playoffs and had to come back from a 3-1 deficit the round before.