So 3ball is getting absolutely destroyed by PejaTheSerbSnip in one of his threads

[1987_Lakers]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?512720-How-did-Nuggets-play-great-defense-w-out-great-defenders-Individual-D-is-overrated/page23

They go at it for pages, read it for the lolz. 3ball goes on his usual rants that make little sense while Peja responds with logic and facts, I commend him, it takes alot of patience to deal with a deranged poster like 3ball

[3ba11]

I've been calmly educating him and correcting his misperceptions.. I've won every round.

Anyone that thinks otherwise is simply not smart enough about basketball to understand my posts and/or lacks the attention span required to read and understand my posts.

He posts a lot of words, none of which have refuted a single narrative that I've posted on this forum, aka Lebron's bad fits with many teammates like Westbrook, Hughes, Ingram, Bosh or Love show that he doesn't play 5 positions - he simply has a point guard skillset in a forward body, which is abnormal ball-dominance for his size/position that imposes spot-up roles.. These spot-up roles don't develop teammates, fits, or strategic capacity/coaching, so he has perennial underdogs and losers regardless of cast or preseason favorite status, and low team ceilings/Finals records.

There's no refuting this because it's all statistical fact, aka Lebron has a point guard-level hold-time and assisted rate = point guard skiliset = abnormal ball-dominance for size/position = imposes spot-up roles (decreases teammate assists and increases assisted rate)... These spot-up roles haven't developed a single teammate in 20 years (no single-digit producers developed into significant contributors), and yielded bad fits and strategic capacity/coaching, thereby yielding perennial underdogs and losers regardless of cast or preseason favorite status, and low team ceilings/Finals records.

[tpols]

A lot of you guys just cheerlead the person who has the balls to debate who you hate. Popping in and yelling "oh look! He got him!" demonstrates not only that you didn't actually read the exchange, but you also didnt have the cajones to debate the guy yourself. Which is a coward move.

[ShawkFactory]

A lot of you guys just cheerlead the person who has the balls to debate who you hate. Popping in and yelling "oh look! He got him!" demonstrates not only that you didn't actually read the exchange, but you also didnt have the cajones to debate the guy yourself. Which is a coward move.

Oh is that what it is? :lol

You’re better than that.

[AirBonner]

3ball is a clown show

[tpols]

Oh is that what it is? :lol

You’re better than that.

That's.... exactly what it is. You're probably a prime example but rrr3 and OP are infinitely worse.

[ArbitraryWater]

Peja is brilliant. Should be here more often.

[1987_Lakers]

A lot of you guys just cheerlead the person who has the balls to debate who you hate. Popping in and yelling "oh look! He got him!" demonstrates not only that you didn't actually read the exchange, but you also didnt have the cajones to debate the guy yourself. Which is a coward move.

Most people stopped debating 3ball a long time ago because of how disingenuous/repetitive he is. I've argued with him many times in the past, he constantly ignores your point and brings up something else which is completely random, this is what he is doing with Peja, ignoring most of his points while Peja has addressed everything 3ball has said. I have also caught 3ball lying about stats countless times.

Most users at this point know there is no point in arguing with him because of how crazy he is, but Peja doesn't post here often so I'm guessing he doesn't truly know how he operates.

[ShawkFactory]

That's.... exactly what it is. You're probably a prime example but rrr3 and OP are infinitely worse.

That’s..not even close. Now I know you’re just fvcking around :lol

I guess I can’t speak for everyone else but I don’t engage like that with 3ball because I don’t have the desire or patience to. That’s…literally it.

I used to. All the time. But there’s only so many times you can get wrapped up in long-winded arguments about the same shit. Every so often you’ll have someone come in and go back and forth with 3ball like we see now. But he, like everyone else, will realize that it’s a waste of time and will move on. Even skimming through that thread..there’s not a single new thing. Almost everything he’s saying is an exact copy/paste from arguments he’s had before.

[tpols]

Most people stopped debating 3ball a long time ago because of how disingenuous/repetitive he is. I've argued with him many times in the past, he constantly ignores your point and brings up something else which is completely random, this is what he is doing with Peja, ignoring most of his points while Peja has addressed everything 3ball has said. I have also caught 3ball lying about stats countless times.

Most users at this point know there is no point in arguing with him because of how crazy he is, but Peja doesn't post here often so I'm guessing he doesn't truly know how he operates.

It's not that he's crazy in the sense that he's wrong. If anything he's crazy because he won't let it go. His debate stamina is unmatched. The truth is still the truth though. The more you make threads like this and deny it the more it will go on.

[1987_Lakers]

It's not that he's crazy in the sense that he's wrong. If anything he's crazy because he won't let it go. His debate stamina is unmatched. The truth is still the truth though. The more you make threads like this and deny it the more it will go on.

So Scottie Pippen was a role player?


Pippen was a role player

Post by 3ball just yesterday. You are not very bright.

[tpols]

So Scottie Pippen was a role player?



Post by 3ball just yesterday. You are not very bright.

Hes exaggerating there but the mainstream media tells us pippen is top 20-25 all time GOAT ahead of guys like Barkley and David Robinson and Pat ewing. Which is absurd.

The fact is he was a weak offensive 2nd option who did a lot of the things a guy like iguodala or the x-man could do. And his all time rank is overly inflated by the winning spotlight he enjoyed playing next to the GOAT.

Dont hate on the facts....

[WhiteKyrie]

Total waste of time and energy between both.

[1987_Lakers]

Hes exaggerating

Another way of saying he lies. Get that "truth is the truth" bs out of here. :oldlol:

[tpols]

Another way of saying he lies. Get that "truth is the truth" bs out of here. :oldlol:

Would you rank pippen ahead of Barkley or Robinson or Ewing? Shit... Ewing crushed him H2H the only time they faced each other alone in 1994. With equal casts and everything.

That's not to say he sucked but it is clear the media and winning spotlight inflated him. MJ playing with ewing or Barkley or Robinson would've been unfathomable. Going 6/6 with pippen is only something the GOAT could do.

[1987_Lakers]

Would you rank pippen ahead of Barkley or Robinson or Ewing? Shit... Ewing crushed him H2H the only time they faced each other alone in 1994. With equal casts and everything.

That's not to say he sucked but it is clear the media and winning spotlight inflated him. MJ playing with ewing or Barkley or Robinson would've been unfathomable. Going 6/6 with pippen is only something the GOAT could do.

So let me get this straight, I point out Pippen wasn't a role player which most people can agree with, but you justify 3ball calling him one by saying he wasn't better than Barkley & Robinson? What does one ESPN list from 2020 where they have Pippen ranked ahead of those guys have anything to do if Pippen was a role player or not?

[tpols]

So let me get this straight, I point out Pippen wasn't a role player which most people can agree with, but you justify 3ball calling him one by saying he wasn't better than Barkley & Robinson? What does one ESPN list from 2020 where they have Pippen ranked ahead of those guys have anything to do if Pippen was a role player or not?

He's acting as a counter weight to what the mainstream media proclaims and projects. Most casual fans think like you do. Pippen = one of the best ever. And that's simply not true on the basis of being better than those guys. And its not even close.

[ShawkFactory]

Would you rank pippen ahead of Barkley or Robinson or Ewing? Shit... Ewing crushed him H2H the only time they faced each other alone in 1994. With equal casts and everything.

That's not to say he sucked but it is clear the media and winning spotlight inflated him. MJ playing with ewing or Barkley or Robinson would've been unfathomable. Going 6/6 with pippen is only something the GOAT could do.

He did? The Knicks CRUSHED the Bulls?

[1987_Lakers]

He's acting as a counter weight to what the mainstream media proclaims and projects. Most casual fans think like you do. Pippen = one of the best ever. And that's simply not true.

So he's arguing retarded points in order to combat a bad list from ESPN in 2020? News flash, 3ball has been calling Pippen a role player for almost a decade around here.

[SouBeachTalents]

He did? The Knicks CRUSHED the Bulls?
This is one of his nonsensical and non fact based talking points from his greatest hits collection. Ewing & Pippen had pretty similar production and the series went 7 but somehow Ewing CRUSHED Pippen like Hakeem did to him in the Finals :lol And the Knicks crushed the Bulls despite the series going 7 and the Bulls actually outscoring the Knicks in the series.

[SouBeachTalents]

So he's arguing retarded points in order to combat a bad list from ESPN in 2020? News flash, 3ball has been calling Pippen a role player for almost a decade around here.
Pippen’s also much closer to those guys than he is to Jeff Green, whom 3ball constantly equates him to :lol

[ShawkFactory]

This is one of his nonsensical and non fact based talking points from his greatest hits collection. Ewing & Pippen had pretty similar production and the series went 7 but somehow Ewing CRUSHED Pippen like Hakeem did to him in the Finals :lol And the Knicks crushed the Bulls despite the series going 7 and the Bulls actually outscoring the Knicks in the series.

I know.

It’s just funny to hear that from the this supposed purveyor of truth :lol

He can be quite unintentionally ironic.

[3ba11]

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Don't you guys find the hypnotic power of mainstream media narratives remarkable?

Here's MJ - the primary defender on Magic in the 91' Finals - he slightly hesitates before saying that Pippen guarded Magic for the remainder of the series after Game 2:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-FZGY2Kk_68


Pippen guarded Magic in the Game 2 blowout but MJ guarded Magic in the nail-biter Game 3 that swung the series - this includes the 1st, 4th and OT of Game 3.. Then he guarded Magic for Games 4 and 5 (except the last 4 minutes of Game 4).. Overall, Pippen guarded Magic for 5 quarters and Jordan 15

[tpols]

So he's arguing retarded points in order to combat a bad list from ESPN in 2020? News flash, 3ball has been calling Pippen a role player for almost a decade around here.

Well yea... he was ahead of his time in that respect. Pippen has always been overrated and that's why hes so bitter about it as we can see with the "Last Dance" documentary.

[3ba11]

This is one of his nonsensical and non fact based talking points from his greatest hits collection. Ewing & Pippen had pretty similar production and the series went 7 but somehow Ewing CRUSHED Pippen like Hakeem did to him in the Finals :lol And the Knicks crushed the Bulls despite the series going 7 and the Bulls actually outscoring the Knicks in the series.


Horace had higher gamescore than Pippen in the 1994 2nd Round, while Pippen averaged 3.0 on 20% in the 4th quarter.. This included historic chokes like the "sit out" game and the "dumb foul" game.. Pippen embarrassed himself as 1st option without MJ.. You can't make this stuff up - he refused to go back in the game - what sterling leadership

Pippen also shot 41% compared to 53% for Ewing with less rebounds, blocks, and the aforementioned clutch

[1987_Lakers]

Horace had higher gamescore than Pippen in the 1994 2nd Round, while Pippen averaged 3.0 on 20% in the 4th quarter.. This included historic chokes like the "sit out" game and the "dumb foul" game.. Pippen embarrassed himself as 1st option without MJ.. You can't make this stuff up - he refused to go back in the game - what sterling leadership

Pippen also shot 41% compared to 53% for Ewing with less rebounds, blocks, and the aforementioned clutch

Speaking of gamescore. Pippen usually had a higher gamescore than any opponents 2nd option during the title runs. Pretty good for a Jeff Green type player.

[RRR3]

That's.... exactly what it is. You're probably a prime example but rrr3 and OP are infinitely worse.
I debated 3ball plenty in the past as did OP and shawk. It gets boring debating someone who doesn’t respond to the points you make and just copy and pastes irrelevant troll stuff. This is why I just troll him now. You know this.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

The Johnny-come-latelies are always full of piss and vinegar. :lol

Give it some time though. You'll come to the realization that 3ball is in fact a troll. Just like most of us sane posters did.

I genuinely feel bad for the people who still give that clown legit replies lol

[3ba11]

Speaking of gamescore. Pippen usually had a higher gamescore than any opponents 2nd option during the title runs. Pretty good for a Jeff Green type player.



Most 2nd options were guards that underperformed against MJ - they were otherwise playing well but then completely wet the bed vs MJ - see Starks, Dumars, Porter, Stockton, Hornacek, Majerle, KJ, Payton, Hawkins, Price, Harper, Penny, Nick Anderson, Tim Hardaway.

Take these guys out and Pippen was destroyed by mostly everyone else like X-Man, Dominique or Willis, Juwan Howard, Larry Johnson, Schrempf, Aguirre and Rik Smits outplayed Pip in 98'..

And even though the guards were facing MJ, various guys still outplayed Pip like Dumars, Majerle, Stockton, Penny and more

A guy like Porter averaged 26/4/8 on 55% in the 92' WCF (53% three-point shooting on 6 attempts), but 16/4/5 on 47% vs MJ (23% on threes).. That's just one example - nearly every guard had this happen vs MJ

[NBAGOAT]

It's not that he's crazy in the sense that he's wrong. If anything he's crazy because he won't let it go. His debate stamina is unmatched. The truth is still the truth though. The more you make threads like this and deny it the more it will go on.

well no what 3ball says is often not the truth, even you cant agree with most of what he says. You're not wrong about 3ball's stamina and that's what makes what peja's doing both impressive and stupid, he's keeping up

[RRR3]

I made a poll asking who gets owned the most in basketball discussions and 3ball won in a landslide. Tpols is pathetic. Imagine pretending someone constantly wrong is right just because they hate LeBron.

[Axe]

well no what 3ball says is often not the truth, even you cant agree with most of what he says. You're not wrong about 3ball's stamina and that's what makes what peja's doing both impressive and stupid, he's keeping up
Some throwback in another thread two years ago.


This guy seriously thinks curry just stands and waits for 3s lmao. When he's probably the best off ball route runner of all time and is doubled all game.
He seems to be worshipping him now tho.

[3ba11]

This guy seriously thinks curry just stands and waits for 3s lmao. When he's probably the best off ball route runner of all time and is doubled all game.


Some throwback in another thread two years ago.


He seems to be worshipping him now tho.


Tpols opened my eyes on Curry and I've had Curry in my top 10 for 2 years now (since 2021 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward))) - that's before anyone else had him that high.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Haha glad y’all are enjoying the Jimmy vs Timmy show, thanks for the kind words.

Tbh given my background (nothing lofty, but my previous job did involve a lot of data analysis), arguing with this guy is more amusing than anything else. The real drawback is not that it’s a time-vampire (basically 100% of my replies are done while I’m screwing around in the office). It’s more so that, by virtue of rolling around in the mud with a dude that can’t ever stop repeating his debunked claims, *I’m* starting to sound repetitive. So I’m wary of turning into a 3ball-esque broken record, even if the things I’m saying are actually true.

But, so long as it’s only an irritant to one person, I’m glad to keep dressing down these bad-faith claims. It’s a nice pastime.

Must be disorienting for him to see 15 years worth of arguments crumble in front of his eyes, when literally the only reason they’ve been spouted for this long is because everyone justifiably taps out from being subjected to spam, misdirection, non sequiturs and plain ol idiocy.

The few True Believers that actually mistake his “stamina” for logic are probably the highlight of all this. If 3ball ever falls on hard times he can get them to fund his compound.

[RRR3]

Haha glad y’all are enjoying the Jimmy vs Timmy show, thanks for the kind words.

Tbh given my background (nothing lofty, but my previous job did involve a lot of data analysis), arguing with this guy is more amusing than anything else. The real drawback is not that it’s a time-vampire (basically 100% of my replies are done while I’m screwing around in the office). It’s more so that, by virtue of rolling around in the mud with a dude that can’t ever stop repeating his debunked claims, *I’m* starting to sound repetitive. So I’m wary of turning into a 3ball-esque broken record, even if the things I’m saying are actually true.

But, so long as it’s only an irritant to one person, I’m glad to keep dressing down these bad-faith claims. It’s a nice pastime.

Must be disorienting for him to see 15 years worth of arguments crumble in front of his eyes, when literally the only reason they’ve been spouted for this long is because everyone justifiably taps out from being subjected to spam, misdirection, non sequiturs and plain ol idiocy.

The few True Believers that actually mistake his “stamina” for logic are probably the highlight of all this. If 3ball ever falls on hard times he can get them to fund his compound.
No one actually believes anything he’s saying they’re just also obsessed LeBron haters who side with anyone dissing LeBron no matter how absurd it is.

[1987_Lakers]

Tpols opened my eyes on Curry and I've had Curry in my top 10 for 2 years now (since 2021 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward))) - that's before anyone else had him that high.

So you actually thought Curry was a spot up shooter in 2021? :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

Horace had higher gamescore than Pippen in the 1994 2nd Round, while Pippen averaged 3.0 on 20% in the 4th quarter.. This included historic chokes like the "sit out" game and the "dumb foul" game.. Pippen embarrassed himself as 1st option without MJ.. You can't make this stuff up - he refused to go back in the game - what sterling leadership

Pippen also shot 41% compared to 53% for Ewing with less rebounds, blocks, and the aforementioned clutch
And here's the rebuttal where Pippen had a higher gamescore than most of his opponents 2nd options, and LeBron's gamescores blow away everyone in your top 10 besides Jordan.

This is why 3ball is actually incredibly easy to defeat in most arguments. Whatever criteria he uses can ALWAYS be used to contradict his other arguments :lol

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

That's.... exactly what it is. You're probably a prime example but rrr3 and OP are infinitely worse.


This right here is exhibit A.


Not everyone wants to type thousands upon thousands of words…refraining from doing so is just sensible time management. I don’t mind it because I’ve been doing a version of this for so long in my professional life so it’s gotten to be like swatting flies. Nothing special about it, and not wanting to engage him ain’t “cowardly”.

[3ba11]

And here's the rebuttal where Pippen had a higher gamescore than most of his opponents 2nd options, and LeBron's gamescores blow away everyone in your top 10 besides Jordan.

This is why 3ball is actually incredibly easy to defeat in most arguments. Whatever criteria he uses can ALWAYS be used to contradict his other arguments :lol


What good is it to post something that was responded to quite specifically and pretend it wasn't responded to - re-posted below:

Most 2nd options were guards that underperformed against MJ - they were otherwise playing well but then completely wet the bed vs MJ - see Starks, Dumars, Porter, Stockton, Hornacek, Majerle, KJ, Payton, Hawkins, Price, Harper, Penny, Nick Anderson, Tim Hardaway.

Take these guys out and Pippen was destroyed by mostly everyone else like X-Man, Dominique or Willis, Juwan Howard, Larry Johnson, Schrempf, Aguirre and Rik Smits outplayed Pip in 98'..

And even though the guards were facing MJ, various guys still outplayed Pip like Dumars, Majerle, Stockton, Penny and more

A guy like Porter averaged 26/4/8 on 55% in the 92' WCF (53% three-point shooting on 6 attempts), but 16/4/5 on 47% vs MJ (23% on threes).. That's just one example - nearly every guard had this happen vs MJ.. KJ averaged 29/6/8 against Hakeem in 2 different 7-game series as 1st option over Barkley, but he wet the bed vs MJ.. This was standard when opposing guards faced MJ's onslaught - it wears them out physically and mentally, thus leaving them less capacity for offense and less likely to "get hot"

[97 bulls]

What good is it to post something that was responded to quite specifically and pretend it wasn't responded to - re-posted below:

Most 2nd options were guards that underperformed against MJ - they were otherwise playing well but then completely wet the bed vs MJ - see Starks, Dumars, Porter, Stockton, Hornacek, Majerle, KJ, Payton, Hawkins, Price, Harper, Penny, Nick Anderson, Tim Hardaway.

Take these guys out and Pippen was destroyed by mostly everyone else like X-Man, Dominique or Willis, Juwan Howard, Larry Johnson, Schrempf, Aguirre and Rik Smits outplayed Pip in 98'..

And even though the guards were facing MJ, various guys still outplayed Pip like Dumars, Majerle, Stockton, Penny and more

A guy like Porter averaged 26/4/8 on 55% in the 92' WCF (53% three-point shooting on 6 attempts), but 16/4/5 on 47% vs MJ (23% on threes).. That's just one example - nearly every guard had this happen vs MJ.. KJ averaged 29/6/8 against Hakeem in 2 different 7-game series as 1st option over Barkley, but he wet the bed vs MJ.. This was standard when opposing guards faced MJ's onslaught - it wears them out physically and mentally, thus leaving them less capacity for offense and less likely to "get hot"

So if MJ was checking Porter in the 92 Finals who was checking Drexler?

[3ba11]

So if MJ was checking Porter in the 92 Finals who was checking Drexler?


Individual D is overrated because there's many ways to have a great team defense without great individual defenders as we saw with the Nuggets and n these playoffs

A primary way of being good defensively is having lower defensive requirements, aka wearing out defenses, so they have less capacity for offense - this is what Jordan did to Porter and others - they were worn down and rattled by his onslaught - on their heels - the best defense is a good offense.

[97 bulls]

Individual D is overrated because there's many ways to have a great team defense without great individual defenders as we saw with the Nuggets and n these playoffs

A primary way of being good defensively is having lower defensive requirements, aka wearing out defenses, so they have less capacity for offense - this is what Jordan did to Porter and others - they were worn down and rattled by his onslaught - on their heels - the best defense is a good offense.

So you're crediting Jordan's help defense on Porter? But his individual defense on Dexler. So essentially, you're saying Jordan simultaneously shut down two players? Wow.

[Full Court]

OP is basically the LeShrivel of ISH.

Most choke jobs of all time.

What kind of moron starts a thread to link to another thread that's on the front page? :roll: What a dingus.

[White Hammer]

lol this thread is like a support group meeting for all the dudes that been cucked by 3ball. Gather round and tell your stories. Ya'll are literally Will Ferrell and the Victim's of the Smiling Ass :oldlol:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpHEQqApoAY

[Axe]

And here's the rebuttal where Pippen had a higher gamescore than most of his opponents 2nd options, and LeBron's gamescores blow away everyone in your top 10 besides Jordan.

This is why 3ball is actually incredibly easy to defeat in most arguments. Whatever criteria he uses can ALWAYS be used to contradict his other arguments :lol
He always moves the goal posts whenever he's exposed. Classic andrew rt. :oldlol:

[Kblaze8855]

Surely this can continue in the topic it’s about. I don’t see why it needs to but…I’m sure it can.