Should every team pay its best player a max contract? Best two players? Or what?

[FultzNationRISE]

It was just posted the Sixers may be putting off a contract to Maxey. And because he's a young player who's looked good scoring the ball at times the last couple seasons, I assume Maxey's position and the general sentiment on this board is he should get a max contract. I think people just assume by default at this point that Tyrese Maxey is a guy you give a max contract to. Anyone who shows a little bit of promise, "give him a max!"

Is he going to be any better than Bradley Beal? The Wizards just gave Beal a giant contract whereby he was paid 50 million dollars last season to do nothing, then was traded for Jordan Poole and Landry Shamet. That was what the Wizards got out of their 250 million dollar contact to Beal. One season of absolutely nothing, and a trade for Jordan Poole and Landry Shamet.

Maxey's a nice player, but do you offer him the maximum amount of money possible? Is he THAT valuable? He's not Lebron, or Joker, or Steph or Giannis. Even compared with guys in his generation, he's not Luka or Zion.

I feel like this is another one of the perpetual situations in the NBA where a guy shines even the tiniest bit, and his agent of course pushes for a max, and fans are just like "you gotta give him the max!!!! you cant let that guy walk, hes a star!!!! did you see when he scored points!!!! hes a star!!!! give him the max!!!!!!!!!!"

But it's really not an effective way to get anywhere. Ostensibly the mandate for each team is to compete for a championship. You cannot do that giving out bad contracts.

Thats why I dont understand when people say "You have to give Beal that money. You cant let him walk for nothing."

Ok, well then youre not competing for a championship. Simple as that. Which is fine, I guess, but isnt that the point of the game? Should the owner admit theyre not competing for a championship? If he says "we're just going for entertainment and revenue, this isnt about winning" the fans would riot.

But those same fans will flip out if you dont give Andrew Wiggins a max coming off his rookie deal when it was already clear he's not a max player, thereby forcing the owner's hand to pay a 'decent' player a huge chunk of the team's cap while other teams have elite players making the same amount.

Shit is just weird.

[bison]

Maybe or maybe not the league will look into the ‘upside’ hype during next CBA agreements. Agreed to many Jordan Pooles and Kelly Oubres and Harrison Barneses getting extraneous money based on ‘upside’ alone. Feels like kuzma is the next guy to get super rich of middling talents. I think it’s fine as it is. Let organizations get burned for making stupid decisions and incentivize the ones that make smart ones. And I think refusing to extended Maxey is a smart decision.

[Kblaze8855]

Your main problem here is the first word in your title. “Should” doesn’t mean shit. Get it out of your head. It doesn’t matter what “true” value is. Market value is whatever one team will pay. As long as the salary cap, and even more importantly, salary floor is as high as it is and climbing, there will always be a couple teams with nothing but young players falling incredibly short of it, so they are incentivized by the system to spend a tremendous amount of money to steal your good young players, because if they don’t, they’re gonna have to spend the same money, paying the players already on their roster.


With the salary floor at 120 million and only having 60 or 70 million in contracts for next season why wouldn’t a team like the Rockets throw a max contract at any young good player? Either develop into a star for them or they can trade them to a good team that couldn’t have signed them outright for more pics to continue to rebuild.

there will always be an incredibly low salary having rebuilding team that will take your good young players from you. You get sentimental about what is supposedly right and wrong, and start using irrelevant words like “should” and “deserve” all you get is a slammed shut window and a likely rebuild where you’re just hoping to draft another Maxey who will be as good as he is now…4 years from now.

You pay your good young players because if you don’t, there will always be somebody who will. The market is set by 30 billionaires who all want to beat the other 29. You’re in wonderland. We’re all mad here.

[90sgoat]

It's pretty crazy to me that the league minimum for a 10 year vet is 3 million but a 24 year old can potentially get a 40 million max contract.

That's not exactly equal.

Is Tyrese Maxey going to sell so many jerseys that its worth it?

Imagine if a team instead focused on building a brand around its team, its history, its values?

Then they didn't feel they needed to overpay whoever had some skills.

I'd like a league that paid lower max salaries and made it more dependent on games played, games won, qualifying for All Star, NBA Teams etc.

[Kblaze8855]

It's pretty crazy to me that the league minimum for a 10 year vet is 3 million but a 24 year old can potentially get a 40 million max contract.

That's not exactly equal.

Is Tyrese Maxey going to sell so many jerseys that its worth it?

Imagine if a team instead focused on building a brand around its team, its history, its values?

Then they didn't feel they needed to overpay whoever had some skills.

I'd like a league that paid lower max salaries and made it more dependent on games played, games won, qualifying for All Star, NBA Teams etc.

The league made 5 billion in 2016. They made 10 billion in 2022. They have to give 5 of it to the same(roughly) number of players. And that was with a 23 billion dollar rights deal. They’re working on one of at least 45 billion and shooting for 70.

there aren’t even enough expansion cities realistically available to build stadiums quick enough to have the kind of league you envision. There’s just too much money to go to too few
players. Either paying everybody halfway good 40 million or you’re giving 15 to 18 to people who just participate in practice. You may like that second idea better but it’s still “wasted”.

You would need a team in Vegas, Nashville, Seattle, London, Paris, and Austin to even slow it down. Just get comfortable with it.

[FultzNationRISE]

Your main problem here is the first word in your title. “Should” doesn’t mean shit. Get it out of your head. It doesn’t matter what “true” value is. Market value is whatever one team will pay. As long as the salary cap, and even more importantly, salary floor is as high as it is and climbing, there will always be a couple teams with nothing but young players falling incredibly short of it, so they are incentivized by the system to spend a tremendous amount of money to steal your good young players, because if they don’t, they’re gonna have to spend the same money, paying the players already on their roster.



Someone else offering a player x amount of money doesnt obligate you to also offer him that much money.

If he wants to go to another team... so what? Tyrese Maxey was the 21st pick of the draft. You can find another Tyrese Maxey out there.

Continue building through the draft until you get players who are legitimately worth max contracts. Trade for guys on good contracts you think can over perform in your system. Al Horford has been making 10 million per season the last couple years and he's outplayed TONS of players making way more money.

I just dont see it ever paying off for teams to max out Andrew Wiggins or Bradley Beal. It achieves nothing but wasting time on the treadmill. Again, if the fanbase is fine with that, everyone should just come out and say it. Fans and owners. "We dont care about winning, just sign the guy who scoreses the most poinstes no matter what it takes!!!"

[90sgoat]

The league made 5 billion in 2016. They made 10 billion in 2022. They have to give 5 of it to the same(roughly) number of players. And that was with a 23 billion dollar rights deal. They’re working on one of at least 45 billion and shooting for 70.

there aren’t even enough expansion cities realistically available to build stadiums quick enough to have the kind of league you envision. There’s just too much money to go to too few
players. Either paying everybody halfway good 40 million or you’re giving 15 to 18 to people who just participate in practice. You may like that second idea better but it’s still “wasted”.

You would need a team in Vegas, Nashville, Seattle, London, Paris, and Austin to even slow it down. Just get comfortable with it.

Just raise the league minimum and take it from the max, it's a rather simple idea, that most of the NBA fans, many of whom are socialist gen z'ers should get behind, but as always, once you make money you have a tendency to turn conservative.

In any case, if the league wants to share the proceeds, maybe not pay it all to the one star, maybe share it to those who made it possible, the high school, the college, the teachers, the G-league teams, where the role players are that get paid to rebound and play defense.

In Europe, or maybe it's FIFA, there's a rule that the previous team a player a plays for has to get a percentage of future sales.

Then then when Messi is sold for like a $150 million to PSG, then his youth team in Argentina pockets 5% of that transfer if they're the only youth team. And all teams that a star played for gets some solidary payments once he leaves.

https://www.parsalaw.com/fifa-player-transfers/

Now doesn't this make you feel like things are a bit more fair?

Mind you, I foresee in the US that the AAU hucksters would abuse this.

[Jasper]

It was just posted the Sixers may be putting off a contract to Maxey. And because he's a young player who's looked good scoring the ball at times the last couple seasons, I assume Maxey's position and the general sentiment on this board is he should get a max contract. I think people just assume by default at this point that Tyrese Maxey is a guy you give a max contract to. Anyone who shows a little bit of promise, "give him a max!"

Is he going to be any better than Bradley Beal? The Wizards just gave Beal a giant contract whereby he was paid 50 million dollars last season to do nothing, then was traded for Jordan Poole and Landry Shamet. That was what the Wizards got out of their 250 million dollar contact to Beal. One season of absolutely nothing, and a trade for Jordan Poole and Landry Shamet.

Maxey's a nice player, but do you offer him the maximum amount of money possible? Is he THAT valuable? He's not Lebron, or Joker, or Steph or Giannis. Even compared with guys in his generation, he's not Luka or Zion.

I feel like this is another one of the perpetual situations in the NBA where a guy shines even the tiniest bit, and his agent of course pushes for a max, and fans are just like "you gotta give him the max!!!! you cant let that guy walk, hes a star!!!! did you see when he scored points!!!! hes a star!!!! give him the max!!!!!!!!!!"

But it's really not an effective way to get anywhere. Ostensibly the mandate for each team is to compete for a championship. You cannot do that giving out bad contracts.

Thats why I dont understand when people say "You have to give Beal that money. You cant let him walk for nothing."

Ok, well then youre not competing for a championship. Simple as that. Which is fine, I guess, but isnt that the point of the game? Should the owner admit theyre not competing for a championship? If he says "we're just going for entertainment and revenue, this isnt about winning" the fans would riot.

But those same fans will flip out if you dont give Andrew Wiggins a max coming off his rookie deal when it was already clear he's not a max player, thereby forcing the owner's hand to pay a 'decent' player a huge chunk of the team's cap while other teams have elite players making the same amount.

Shit is just weird.

you hit the nail on the head ... IMO if you are worth 30mill you take 25 so Other role players can come in and just make your team BETTER

[Kblaze8855]

Someone else offering a player x amount of money doesnt obligate you to also offer him that much money. .


So don’t keep good players and just lose forever till you draft a hall of famer…maybe like Embiid…and give him no help because you only pay market value to guys like him and you only draft one every 20-30 years. Keep salary low forever till he either walks(while will happen soon) or you get lucky and another max player wants to be there. You then have two guys at about 55/60 million a year going forward…if you even stay gm that long. And you wont…because your owner doesn’t wanna wait 6 years of paying a 120 million salary floor to scrubs for your principals.

Just pay it or quit the league. Realistically those are the options. The player is getting the money. All your good players will get market value from you or someone else barring them being “loyal” which few are dumb enough to be on first big contracts.

You go ahead and lose. I’ll pay your young good player….still barely reach the salary floor….either keep him if he develops further or trade him to a contender for their picks.

Dude gets his money either way. You lose your job. I’m still eating good. Once you lose Harden and Maxey what’s the point of Embiid?

You sign these guys or tear down your team. You tear it down you’re telling your owner you couldn’t figure out a way to win with an mvp in his prime and hope he gives you what…8 years to find another one?

Nah. Just skip the hassle and quit now. Give that job to someone from the real world.

[FultzNationRISE]

So don’t keep good players and just lose forever till you draft a hall of famer…maybe like Embiid…and give him no help because you only pay market value to guys like him and you only draft one every 20-30 years. Keep salary low forever till he either walks(while will happen soon) or you get lucky and another max player wants to be there. You then have two guys at about 55/60 million a year going forward…if you even stay gm that long. And you wont…because your owner doesn’t wanna wait 6 years of paying a 120 million salary floor to scrubs for your principals.

Just pay it or quit the league. Realistically those are the options. The player is getting the money. All your good players will get market value from you or someone else barring them being “loyal” which few are dumb enough to be on first big contracts.

You go ahead and lose. I’ll pay your young good player….still barely reach the salary floor….either keep him if he develops further or trade him to a contender for their picks.

Dude gets his money either way. You lose your job. I’m still eating good.

Good. You pay Tyrese Maxey and keep drafting late and losing in the second round.

I'll pay David Robinson, Tim Duncan, and Victor Wembanyama after drafting them with top lotto picks. When I have a George Hill who wants a big contract, I'll trade him for Kawhi's draft rights.

We can compare titles won in a few years.

[Kblaze8855]

In any case, if the league wants to share the proceeds, maybe not pay it all to the one star, maybe share it to those who made it possible, the high school, the college, the teachers, the G-league teams, where the role players are that get paid to rebound and play defense.


Aaaaand from which pie does the cut come from to pay Kenny Smiths AAU coach brother money for what some kid does 12 years later? Players or owners?

The answer is neither because both sides laugh you out of the office and put you on a no trespass restraining order.

Why are you all trying to live in worlds that do not and will not exist?

[warriorfan]

So don’t keep good players and just lose forever till you draft a hall of famer…maybe like Embiid…and give him no help because you only pay market value to guys like him and you only draft one every 20-30 years. Keep salary low forever till he either walks(while will happen soon) or you get lucky and another max player wants to be there. You then have two guys at about 55/60 million a year going forward…if you even stay gm that long. And you wont…because your owner doesn’t wanna wait 6 years of paying a 120 million salary floor to scrubs for your principals.

Just pay it or quit the league. Realistically those are the options. The player is getting the money. All your good players will get market value from you or someone else barring them being “loyal” which few are dumb enough to be on first big contracts.

You go ahead and lose. I’ll pay your young good player….still barely reach the salary floor….either keep him if he develops further or trade him to a contender for their picks.

Dude gets his money either way. You lose your job. I’m still eating good.

You know you don’t have to bite on every contract while ignoring value and still hit the salary floor right?

If you aren’t going to realistically have a shot at winning now…Why **** up your flexibility going forward?

Your plan of “just spend money there’s a lot of it who cares if you aren’t getting a quality return” is the path to end up on the treadmill of mediocrity forever.

[FultzNationRISE]

Aaaaand from which pie does the cut come from to pay Kenny Smiths AAU coach brother money for what some kid does 12 years later? Players or owners?

The answer is neither because both sides laugh you out of the office and put you on a no trespass restraining order.

Why are you all trying to live in worlds that do not and will not exist?


You're acting like the Spurs dont exist.

They do.

Which makes it so weird that other teams can clearly see that and still somehow refuse to get it.

Cant wait to see what the LA Clippers pay Russell Westbrook in free agency.

[Kblaze8855]

Good. You pay Tyrese Maxey and keep drafting late and losing in the second round.

I'll pay David Robinson, Tim Duncan, and Victor Wembanyama after drafting them with top lotto picks. When I have a George Hill who wants a big contract, I'll trade him for Kawhi's draft rights.

We can compare titles won in a few years.


You won’t get a few years. The first star you draft won’t watch you let everyone worth a damn walk because the Kings play market rate and you don’t. Victor is signing his rookie super max and then complaining about you to WOJ to soften the ground for his trade demand to a team that wants to win.

The kinda players you wanna play aren’t staying on your loser cheap franchise. And there is nothing you can do in the real world to stop them leaving. You can fantasy land sit them till they bend the knee. In the real world you’re fired before it gets to that.

[FultzNationRISE]

You won’t get a few years. The first star you draft won’t watch you let everyone worth a damn walk because the Kings play market rate and you don’t. Victor is signing his rookie super max and then complaining about you to WOJ to soften the ground for his trade demand to a team that wants to win.

The kinda players you wanna play aren’t staying on your loser cheap franchise. And there is nothing you can do in the real world to stop them leaving. You can fantasy land sit them till they bend the knee. In the real world you’re fired before it gets to that.

I guess if that's what people wanna spend their time watching... a league full of guys being wildly overpaid relative to their ability, then load managing for half the season, then complaining and forcing a trade at the end of it... all those suckers can enjoy. And I'm sure they will.

Aint gonna be me.

[Kblaze8855]

You're acting like the Spurs dont exist.

They do.

Which makes it so weird that other teams can clearly see that and still somehow refuse to get it.

Cant wait to see what the LA Clippers pay Russell Westbrook in free agency.



Immediately after getting eliminated while he put a 16 on 38% shooting the spurs paid a non-All-Star Tony Parker the current cap hit equivalent of $33.6 million a season. Maxey has played better to this point than Tony Parker had at that point but as usual the big numbers that come with $134 million salary cap blind people because the old guy signed under $43 million salary cap. Avery Johnson at one point made the modern equal or 25 million dollars to give you 6/4 off the bench.

Theres always a Tyrese Maxey looking for 35 million dollars a year. The only way these mortified fans can carry on with their happy little lives is….


https://youtu.be/xHVE7L00v-E


…they do not know about it.

[Kblaze8855]

I guess if that's what people wanna spend their time watching... a league full of guys being wildly overpaid relative to their ability, then load managing for half the season, then complaining and forcing a trade at the end of it... all those suckers can enjoy. And I'm sure they will.

Aint gonna be me.


you know where the door is. People who bought in for 300 million can still sell it for 3 billion tomorrow because the people who complain about players salary are of no real consequence now that the Internet and gambling lets the league monetize previously unreachable corners of the world. just wait till we see what percentage of legalized sports betting revenue the NBA gets from all the sports books. They’re arguing for 1% of $1 trillion industry. All these leagues are gonna make so much money. Youll barely be able to get your head around it. They do not need you. They have degenerate gambler‘s and people buying league Pass in Korea. Them the NFL and DraftKings are all lobbying state legislatures to defeat Native American groups trying to prevent the spread of legalized gambling right now in states the “Indians” have the only legal ones right now. These people know what they’re doing. You over there in Wonderland arent even a speed bump.

[DMAVS41]

You know you don’t have to bite on every contract while ignoring value and still hit the salary floor right?

If you aren’t going to realistically have a shot at winning now…Why **** up your flexibility going forward?

Your plan of “just spend money there’s a lot of it who cares if you aren’t getting a quality return” is the path to end up on the treadmill of mediocrity forever.

Yes, tell us more about how the Wizards messed up their flexibility going forward.

You, still, can't grasp that most of these contracts allow for flexibility...not take it away. That doesn't mean there aren't contracts teams shouldn't sign...but generally it is the exact opposite of what you describe. Teams that don't have a shot at winning now...can sign guys without much consequence because the stakes aren't that high. Again, if you lived in reality...you would have learned that with the Beal situation.

You can't just keep calling all the contracts outside of a few "horrible" and "suicidal"...unless you are just trolling...which...we all know you aren't. So you are just either stupid...or playing stupid.

[90sgoat]

You have a point Kblaze, there's probably more about the actual absurd monies being paid, that the relative value of it.

36 million is an absurd amount of money, it makes you a top 1% rich person overnight.

Then people think, ok, this guy needs to be a superstar, sell jerseys, wear cool clothes, hook up with a Kardashian etc or they don't see the value.

It is what it is, I think they should share more with the lower paid.

[FultzNationRISE]

you know where the door is.

Absolutely right.

And frankly I SHOULDNT be spending so much of my time feeding whatever popularity-analyzing data the NBA combs the internet and sites like this for. Otherwise I'm part of the problem.

I'll pop back in for a brief hello in... 3 weeks or so.

Or maybe I wont. We'll see.

See yall later.

[Kblaze8855]

You know you don’t have to bite on every contract while ignoring value and still hit the salary floor right?


The salary floor today is 1 million off last years salary cap. The floor…is ten million more than the cap from 2022. The 2018 warriors with 5 max players….their roster was paid about what the salary floor will be in a year or two.

it has not set in yet to people the rate the salaries will have to increase just to cover it. With rookie scale deals capped so low teams with young players will have 2 choices….

Pay middling players 15 million more than KD made on the warriors…or write 30 million dollar checks as a bonus end of the year.

What do you think an owner favors when that good player they “overpay” just turns into an expiring deal or can be traded for picks?

The salary floor is the smartest thing the union ever got from the owners. The NFL has some flex because the floor works differently over periods of Fourseasons ad they can roll unused money over so they can choose when to spend the money. Baseball doesn’t even have a salary floor. The NBA has to pay these small rosters 90% of a cap there’s going to be $150 million even before the new CBA hits and explodes it further.

The number of “Well shit…sign somebody. Why write a 34 million dollar check for nothing?” deals you’ll see going forward will disgust you. But what you gonna do? The league won’t let you just not spend. A former executive a podcast i listen to mentioned you get a call for just not reaching the cap Much less when you hang around the floor for years. You know why JJ Reddick made $23 million one season when he never made anything like that before or after? because the 76ers payroll was being seen as a joke, and it was going to be an issue in the next round of negotiations with the union.

The worst team in the league is getting paid like a 3-5 max player champion of just 4-5 years ago. That’s the bare minimum. Yes….you do have to overpay by conventional standards to get there.

if you have a team full of developing players, how do you get to 123 million without doing what you would consider an overpay? How about 134? 144? 154? That’s where this is heading. Give the teams a break. There’s little to be done.

[warriorfan]

The salary floor today is 1 million off last years salary cap. The floor…is ten million more than the cap from 2022. The 2018 warriors with 5 max players….their roster was paid about what the salary floor will be in a year or two.

it has not set in yet to people the rate the salaries will have to increase just to cover it. With rookie scale deals capped so low teams with young players will have 2 choices….

Pay middling players 15 million more than KD made on the warriors…or write 30 million dollar checks as a bonus end of the year.

What do you think an owner favors when that good player they “overpay” just turns into an expiring deal or can be traded for picks?

The salary floor is the smartest thing the union ever got from the owners. The NFL has some flex because the flow works differently over periods of Fourseasons so they can choose win to spend the money. Baseball doesn’t even have a salary floor. The NBA has to pay these small rosters 90% of a cap there’s going to be $150 million even before the new CBA hits and explodes it further.

The number of “Well shit…sign somebody. Why write a 34 million dollar check for nothing?” deals you’ll see going forward will disgust you. But what you gonna do? The league won’t let you just not spend. A former executive a podcast i listen to mentioned you get a call for just not reaching the cap Much less when you hang around the floor for years. You know why JJ Reddick made $23 million one season when he never made anything like that before or after? because the 76ers payroll was being seen as a joke, and it was going to be an issue in the next round of negotiations with the union.

The worst team in the league is getting paid like a 3-5 max player champion of just 4-5 years ago. That’s the bare minimum. Yes….you do have to overpay by conventional standards to get there.

if you have a team full of developing players, how do you get to 123 million without doing what you would consider an overpay? How about 134? 144? 154? That’s where this is heading. Give the teams a break. There’s little to be done.

salary floor is 125ish million

would you rather spend that in a fashion where you are diversifying it across multiple shrewd contracts creating a balanced roster with lots of potential to outgrow their contracts and turn into cornerstone keepers/good trade value guys or do you be lazy and say **** it let’s just go all in and pay bradly beal 50 mil and see what happens?

You just are not being very smart about all this.

[DMAVS41]

salary floor is 125ish million

would you rather spend that in a fashion where you are diversifying it across multiple shrewd contracts creating a balanced roster with lots of potential to outgrow their contracts and turn into cornerstone keepers/good trade value guys or do you be lazy and say **** it let’s just go all in and pay bradly beal 50 mil and see what happens?

You just are not being very smart about all this.

Yea, he's not being "very smart"...

Says that clown that is still arguing that Wizards went all in on Bradley Beal and it was suicide. I legit don't think you understand the words you use.

Nobody is arguing that there aren't stupid or smart signings in specific circumstances...you just seem incapable of figuring out which is which.

[Kblaze8855]

Dude. Two years from now you’re going to have billionaires who have Accountants and cap experts who see numbers in their dreams paying 6th men 245 million dollars. All I can do is tell you why as they show you I’m right through their actions. It’s not like I’m calling you stupid or something because believe me, I spent years complaining about a whole lot of gigantic contracts. I was talking shit about Rashard Lewis and Joe Johnson, and all these people it was just not smart to pay such and such…

It’s not that I don’t get your concern. I just think you need to get out a calculator and Google the cap smoothing locked in revenue raises and see how insane all of this is going to be so you can stop talking about over paid players for a while. There is a reason these bean counters and businessman, don’t care about this money.

there is literally too much available. you have four or five teams that are going to flirt with the tax and a whole bunch who have to pay ridiculous money just to keep up with the mandated minimum. The good teams will literally lose every good player they allow to reach free agency because the bad teams have too much money to blow. If you’re fine with being garbage for ever or as long as it takes to draft an MVP while you’re a joke to the league that’s fine but consider this discussion is about a team that did just that. Eventually…you either decide to go back to sucking or you pay someone.

you aren’t going to win not paying anybody. Hell the Nuggets just won with Michael Porter Junior and I’m not sure anyone has ever accomplished less before signing a contract for that much money. Dude got the max for like 60 games of being a good role player. You pay or you rebuild every 3-4 years. But if you’re the gm you won’t be there to do it.

Even the guy who trusted the process got fired.

[warriorfan]

Dude. Two years from now you’re going to have billionaires who have Accountants and cap experts who see numbers in their dreams paying 6th men 245 million dollars. All I can do is tell you why as they show you I’m right through their actions. It’s not like I’m calling you stupid or something because believe me, I spent years complaining about a whole lot of gigantic contracts. I was talking shit about Rashard Lewis and Joe Johnson, and all these people it was just not smart to pay such and such…

It’s not that I don’t get your concern. I just think you need to get out a calculator and Google the cap smoothing locked in revenue raises and see how insane all of this is going to be so you can stop talking about over paid players for a while. There is a reason these bean counters and businessman, don’t care about this money.

there is literally too much available. you have four or five teams that are going to flirt with the tax and a whole bunch who have to pay ridiculous money just to keep up with the mandated minimum. The good teams will literally lose every good player they allow to reach free agency because the bad teams have too much money to blow. If you’re fine with being garbage for ever or as long as it takes to draft an MVP while you’re a joke to the league that’s fine but consider this discussion is about a team that did just that. Eventually…you either decide to go back to sucking or you pay someone.

you aren’t going to win not paying anybody. Hell the Nuggets just won with Michael Porter Junior and I’m not sure anyone has ever accomplished less before signing a contract for that much money. Dude got the max for like 60 games of being a good role player. You pay or you rebuild every 3-4 years. But if you’re the gm you won’t be there to do it.

Even the guy who trusted the process got fired.

nuggets can overspend because they are a true contender and it could put them over the top

if struggling teams try to operate in the same manner….good luck lol

[DMAVS41]

Dude. Two years from now you’re going to have billionaires who have Accountants and cap experts who see numbers in their dreams paying 6th men 245 million dollars. All I can do is tell you why as they show you I’m right through their actions. It’s not like I’m calling you stupid or something because believe me, I spent years complaining about a whole lot of gigantic contracts. I was talking shit about Rashard Lewis and Joe Johnson, and all these people it was just not smart to pay such and such…

It’s not that I don’t get your concern. I just think you need to get out a calculator and Google the cap smoothing locked in revenue raises and see how insane all of this is going to be so you can stop talking about over paid players for a while. There is a reason these bean counters and businessman, don’t care about this money.

there is literally too much available. you have four or five teams that are going to flirt with the tax and a whole bunch who have to pay ridiculous money just to keep up with the mandated minimum. The good teams will literally lose every good player they allow to reach free agency because the bad teams have too much money to blow. If you’re fine with being garbage for ever or as long as it takes to draft an MVP while you’re a joke to the league that’s fine but consider this discussion is about a team that did just that. Eventually…you either decide to go back to sucking or you pay someone.

you aren’t going to win not paying anybody. Hell the Nuggets just won with Michael Porter Junior and I’m not sure anyone has ever accomplished less before signing a contract for that much money. Dude got the max for like 60 games of being a good role player. You pay or you rebuild every 3-4 years. But if you’re the gm you won’t be there to do it.

Even the guy who trusted the process got fired.

MPJ really should hammer this home. Not only was he a huge risk for injuries, but he didn't even play well overall in the playoffs. Shot poorly, had serious defensive lapses...I guess he rebounded okay...but they still won the title paying 30 million a year for barely role player production.

You have to pay in most situations now...there are very few situations where it is just horrible. The Lakers, a few years back...paying Deng/Mozgov big contracts...that was dumb...it was dumb at the time for a variety of reasons...but those are becoming more rare.

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nuggets can overspend because they are a true contender and it could put them over the top

if struggling teams try to operate in the same manner….good luck lol

How'd it work out for the Wizards? GL turning him into a young player, first round pick, a bunch of 2nd rounders and pick swaps? Only a year after signing him?

The specifics will always matter....and one could argue that a team like the Nuggets risked more precisely because they were contenders....if MPJ doesn't work out, at all, it might be the difference in winning multiple titles or not. Real stakes...the Wizards didn't have real stakes....you still won't face reality.