Mavs ****ing up free agency again

[90sgoat]

"Nico", who every fan on the Mavs reddit sub know by first name, has once again come through as a shoe salesman.

Last year "Nico" gave us Javale McGee before losing Brunson and trading away picks for Christian Wood who is not going to be resigned.

This year, "Nico" has so far traded down to get some random lanky center and resigned the schizotypal lunatic Kyrie Irving.

As great candidates get signed elsewhere, we'll wait and see with excitement what "Nico" comes up with next.

It can't be as simple as signing Dillon Brooks and Mason Plumlee, no oh, that would be too simple.

Keep working that trade for Ayton that isn't going to happen "Nico", maybe have Cuban drive around in Phoenix begging for a phone call.

[NBAGOAT]

You simply get grant Williams and it’s a good offseason for Dallas. Didn’t give Kyrie full max, resigned powell for cheap, traded for Seth drafted a young big with potential. Traded bertans worse contract for Holmes and an asset

[90sgoat]

You simply get grant Williams and it’s a good offseason for Dallas. Didn’t give Kyrie full max, resigned powell for cheap, traded for Seth drafted a young big with potential. Traded bertans worse contract for Holmes and an asset

Lol.

This is why Mavs fans are the easiest in the league to deceive. Powell would be out of the league if not for Luka.

As for Seth, really? Now you have 4 guards that can't guard their own shadow. Incredibly incompetent.

[DMAVS41]

Lol.

This is why Mavs fans are the easiest in the league to deceive. Powell would be out of the league if not for Luka.

As for Seth, really? Now you have 4 guards that can't guard their own shadow. Incredibly incompetent.

You are right to criticize the Mavs overall, but this offseason has not been bad so far. They have made some decent moves given the state of the franchise.

Where they really ****ed up was not giving Brunson the extension...and then the Kyrie trade.

They had everything you'd need, other than a center, to contend for titles for years...they had Luka/Brunson/DFS/Widdie/THJ/Maxi/Bullock...with a promising Josh Green coming up. If they had just extended Brunson when he asked for it...both he and DFS would have been on 4/55 deals. They could have easily gotten Capela or Turner with some salary and future picks (hell, they gave up an unprotected to get Kyrie)...

So, that was the **** up. They took a young team just missing a decent center...that could have contended for years...and blew it the **** up because they were too stupid to just pay Brunson an insanely cheap contract.

Now? Kind of a shit hand to play no matter what. You can't just lose Kyrie...and the rest is just movement on the fringes...the Bertans dumping was good...and I guess you just hope Josh Green can give you like 35 minutes a night and somehow the rookie center or a trade happens with THJ that solidifies that position.

To be fair...Kyrie/Luka/Green/Bullock...and a center like Capela...with guys like Seth/Maxi/Hardy/Holmes is not far off from being a tough team you wouldn't want to face in the playoffs. The problem is...how do you get improved center play...it seems like they won't be able to do it...so it won't be a team with a real chance to contend I'm guessing.

[90sgoat]

It's extremely incompetent to not be able to get a serviceable center in 5 years.

Literally just get Mason Plumlee or even Cody Zeller.

Cuban is a complete retard, legit he really is. Has no ****ing idea what he's doing.

Trading away DFS was a total mistake, he was the soul of that team. Why sign Javale if you're not playing him?

Why is Kidd still coaching?

Luka will leave and go to Lakers. And well deserved.

[r0drig0lac]

at least they're not the Rockets

[Druckenmiller]

Lol.

This is why Mavs fans are the easiest in the league to deceive. Powell would be out of the league if not for Luka.

As for Seth, really? Now you have 4 guards that can't guard their own shadow. Incredibly incompetent.

Nico easily one of best GMs of all time. Pimp constructed a squad that kept a top 5 player out of the playoffs in a league that lets everyone with a pulse in the playoffs.

If Cuban was half as smart as he thinks he is, he would trade Nico for any garbage truck driver in the city. ThereÂ’s homeless people that canÂ’t even spell basketball that could do better.

[bison]

Welcome back Dante exum, you are a Mac :applause:

[DMAVS41]

It's extremely incompetent to not be able to get a serviceable center in 5 years.

Literally just get Mason Plumlee or even Cody Zeller.

Cuban is a complete retard, legit he really is. Has no ****ing idea what he's doing.

Trading away DFS was a total mistake, he was the soul of that team. Why sign Javale if you're not playing him?

Why is Kidd still coaching?

Luka will leave and go to Lakers. And well deserved.

Yea, if you haven't been paying attention...I've been hammering Cuban here for over a decade. In reality, I think he's done a shit job since the 2003 season. I think most of what you say is accurate...think odds are that Luka leaves as well. Cuban got lucky Dirk was so loyal...most guys would have left after the rosters they gave him in his true peak/prime from 04 through 10. Hell, Kobe was trying to get Dirk to the Lakers after 04 iirc. Takes a special all-time great to stay...and Cuban almost ****ed that up so badly that Dirk might not have ever had a title if not for going crazy in the 11 playoffs.

With Luka, I can't imagine...I hope...even though I have my issues with him...I hope he stays, but I don't think he will unless things take a positive turn.

All of what you said can be more or less true...and what I said as well...and it can also be true that this off-season is not a horrible disaster. Has it been great? No, of course not...we need a big...and still don't really have one. But the team could be quite competitive and they still have a few cards to play.

[DMAVS41]

at least they're not the Rockets

Why is everyone so down on the Rockets.

I legit don't think you guys know anything about the cap. They needed to spend some money. The FVV contract was and will be a complete nothing burger. I don't love Brooks for 4 years...but 20 million is nothing and somebody would take him if the Rockets need to shed him in a couple years.

FVV/Brooks...at least on the court...should help these young guys learn how to win...and it will help the Rockets see what they actually have with some of these young guys as they will be competitive enough to try and win some games.

You can't just...not pay anybody for years...that isn't how it works anymore...and I swear you guys have to learn that having big contracts for teams not going anywhere in the immediate future is more often than not a positive. If the Rockets just completely suck again...they can take on a playoff team's bad salary to get a pick or something.

[Xiao Yao You]

Welcome back Dante exum, you are a Mac :applause:

talk about being desperate! :roll:

[tpols]

Kyrie is an awesome signing. He averaged 27/6/5 on sniper % with Dallas.

But they need somebody in the middle. This is the same problem dirk had. He couldnt win until Cuban found a guy to play center. That same guy would go on to win DPOY the next year.

Kyrie + Luka is arguably much better than Dirk and Terry.

FIND SOME GOONS.

Is it that hard? Youre a billionaire mogul. Make it happen.

[Proctor]

Eric Gordon, Grant Williams, Torrey Craig, Mason Plumlee

[Xiao Yao You]

Kyrie is an awesome signing. He averaged 27/6/5 on sniper % with Dallas.

But they need somebody in the middle. This is the same problem dirk had. He couldnt win until Cuban found a guy to play center. That same guy would go on to win DPOY the next year.

Kyrie + Luka is arguably much better than Dirk and Terry.

FIND SOME GOONS.

Is it that hard? Youre a billionaire mogul. Make it happen.

take Terry over Kyrie anyday! Probably take Dirk too. Donic is great but the whining and flopping and not being in shape don't excite me

[Xiao Yao You]

Eric Gordon, Grant Williams, Torrey Craig, Mason Plumlee

any big can do it! Pretty sure Monroe and Whiteside are both available cheap!

[tpols]

take Terry over Kyrie anyday! Probably take Dirk too. Donic is great but the whining and flopping and not being in shape don't excite me

Terry was great (when they won) but he has nowhere near kyries ceiling.

Kyrie averaged 27/6/5 on elite efficiency. Terry was a max 20 ppg guy zero diming. And you can't even point to defense since both play little.

[MavAlbert]

"Nico", who every fan on the Mavs reddit sub know by first name, has once again come through as a shoe salesman.

Last year "Nico" gave us Javale McGee before losing Brunson and trading away picks for Christian Wood who is not going to be resigned.

This year, "Nico" has so far traded down to get some random lanky center and resigned the schizotypal lunatic Kyrie Irving.

As great candidates get signed elsewhere, we'll wait and see with excitement what "Nico" comes up with next.

It can't be as simple as signing Dillon Brooks and Mason Plumlee, no oh, that would be too simple.

Keep working that trade for Ayton that isn't going to happen "Nico", maybe have Cuban drive around in Phoenix begging for a phone call.


try understanding the CBA first.

[90sgoat]

Eric Gordon, Grant Williams, Torrey Craig, Mason Plumlee

Plumlee and Gordon would be enough.

[90sgoat]

try understanding the CBA first.

"Nico" literally just traded Bertans for Richaun Holmes.

Unless something else is coming up, clearly he understood getting a center, then why not go for a proven center?

[NBAGOAT]

"Nico" literally just traded Bertans for Richaun Holmes.

Unless something else is coming up, clearly he understood getting a center, then why not go for a proven center?

you werent getting anyone good for bertans. Getting a pick out of that trade is a huge win

[Xiao Yao You]

Terry was great (when they won) but he has nowhere near kyries ceiling.

Kyrie averaged 27/6/5 on elite efficiency. Terry was a max 20 ppg guy zero diming. And you can't even point to defense since both play little.

I'll take the guy that's not a cancerous piece of shit

[MavAlbert]

you werent getting anyone good for bertans. Getting a pick out of that trade is a huge win

100

and we got Lively at 12 too.

[Xiao Yao You]

Marc Stein: The Mavericks are signing former No. 5 overall pick Dante Exum on a one-year minimum deal (https://*********.com/social/) after he played last season for Partizan Belgrade, league sources say. Exum was drafted in Utah by new Dallas front office adviser Dennis Lindsey and played abroad the last two seasons.

– via Twitter TheSteinLine (https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine)




now it makes sense. Forgot that The Wizard was in Dallas now. Not only did he draft him but he gave him a huge 2nd contract instead of cutting his losses after Exum had shown little. Ended up giving up a bunch of 2nd rounders and getting stuck with The Bum just to get rid of that ugly 2nd contract of the bust. Has hit 3's in Europe though not on a lot of attempts so maybe he can be a 3 and D guy?

[coin24]

Don’t worry guys, the mavs just signed Dante Exum!!:lol

He’s a great defender, if he can just stop being a puss and shoot the ball he’ll be a solid backup

[Xiao Yao You]

Don’t worry guys, the mavs just signed Dante Exum!!:lol

He’s a great defender, if he can just stop being a puss and shoot the ball he’ll be a solid backup

he always looked like an athlete trying to be an NBA player not an NBA player that was athletic. The Wizard's love affair with him is hilarious now that it's not happening here! :roll:

[r0drig0lac]

Why is everyone so down on the Rockets.

I legit don't think you guys know anything about the cap. They needed to spend some money. The FVV contract was and will be a complete nothing burger. I don't love Brooks for 4 years...but 20 million is nothing and somebody would take him if the Rockets need to shed him in a couple years.

FVV/Brooks...at least on the court...should help these young guys learn how to win...and it will help the Rockets see what they actually have with some of these young guys as they will be competitive enough to try and win some games.

You can't just...not pay anybody for years...that isn't how it works anymore...and I swear you guys have to learn that having big contracts for teams not going anywhere in the immediate future is more often than not a positive. If the Rockets just completely suck again...they can take on a playoff team's bad salary to get a pick or something.

Dilon's contract makes no sense at all (neither value nor contract time), the fact that the franchise needs to spend a certain amount of money annually does not mean spending on this type of sign, which was probably a favor to his agent.

[DMAVS41]

Dilon's contract makes no sense at all (neither value nor contract time), the fact that the franchise needs to spend a certain amount of money annually does not mean spending on this type of sign, which was probably a favor to his agent.

Comments like..."it makes no sense at all"...are the things that are more inaccurate.

Of course it makes some sense...they are getting a tough defensive minded player that their new coach would want...and probably asked for. They needed to spend money...and 20 million a year isn't really relevant now for the Rockets or league...but certainly won't be hard to move in 2 years if the Rockets needed to. Can also be used in trades, again, to take back salary and get a future pick.

Hell, depending on how this season goes for the Mavs and how the defense looks (likely bad)...I bet they'd flip THJ for Brooks at the deadline if they have a decent regular season.

There are just too many options to trade a guy like Brooks and 20 million, even if you keep him for the duration...is simply a small enough number to get out of pretty easily outside of a major injury.

[r0drig0lac]

Comments like..."it makes no sense at all"...are the things that are more inaccurate.

Of course it makes some sense...they are getting a tough defensive minded player that their new coach would want...and probably asked for. They needed to spend money...and 20 million a year isn't really relevant now for the Rockets or league...but certainly won't be hard to move in 2 years if the Rockets needed to. Can also be used in trades, again, to take back salary and get a future pick.

Hell, depending on how this season goes for the Mavs and how the defense looks (likely bad)...I bet they'd flip THJ for Brooks at the deadline if they have a decent regular season.

There are just too many options to trade a guy like Brooks and 20 million, even if you keep him for the duration...is simply a small enough number to get out of pretty easily outside of a major injury.

"a tough defensive minded" that currently doesn't have that value and no team offers anything close to that, yes obviously it's a negotiable contract (all league contracts are) which doesn't change the fact that it's a overpay.

if the positive points of this contract are:

he's a though guy, it's an tradeable contract or the team needed to spend money somehow, it really doesn't make sense, none of that characterizes this type of contract for 4 years.

[DMAVS41]

"a tough defensive minded" that currently doesn't have that value and no team offers anything close to that, yes obviously it's a negotiable contract (all league contracts are) which doesn't change the fact that it's a overpay.

if the positive points of this contract are:

he's a though guy, it's an tradeable contract or the team needed to spend money somehow, it really doesn't make sense, none of that characterizes this type of contract for 4 years.

No, what you are saying is fair criticism...at least about the years...but saying it makes no sense at all goes way too far.

Of course it is an overpay...almost every single player other than the best of the best are going to be overpays. Bane just got 200 million. He's really ****ing good, but that is an overpay if Anthony Davis and Luka are making roughly the same per year.

Brooks is probably worth, in a vacuum, 12 to 15 million per year...I think he makes sense on the Rockets. Do you really think an extra 5 million a year on a team doing nothing of note for at least half of the contract...is going to matter?

Like, what are you claiming is this huge downside?

Clarkson just got over 18 million a year for the next 3. I mean, at some point you guys just have to realize that the going rate for a lot of the starter level role players is between 18 to 22 million per year...and I'd say a team that isn't going to contend for anything...for at least 2 more years...should load up on contracts like this for the very reason to give them flexibility for a trade in the future as landing big name guys in free agency, the real needle moving players, is a lot harder than fans realize.

[r0drig0lac]

No, what you are saying is fair criticism...at least about the years...but saying it makes no sense at all goes way too far.

Of course it is an overpay...almost every single player other than the best of the best are going to be overpays. Bane just got 200 million. He's really ****ing good, but that is an overpay if Anthony Davis and Luka are making roughly the same per year.

Brooks is probably worth, in a vacuum, 12 to 15 million per year...I think he makes sense on the Rockets. Do you really think an extra 5 million a year on a team doing nothing of note for at least half of the contract...is going to matter?

Like, what are you claiming is this huge downside?

yeah not a big deal, but in my personal opinion it was not possible to understand the path they took (or I just don't agree), maybe if they had gotten the BroLo sign I would have a slightly different thought, but apparently this deal with Dillon that theoretically should be a "let's buy low", turned out to be a "let's buy high".

[DMAVS41]

yeah not a big deal, but in my personal opinion it was not possible to understand the path they took (or I just don't agree), maybe if they had gotten the BroLo sign I would have a slightly different thought, but apparently this deal with Dillon that theoretically should be a "let's buy low", turned out to be a "let's buy high".

I agree with the "buying high" part, but in fairness...he's not going to a team like the Rockets unless they are paying him more than others. That was my point...the Rockets only advantage over other teams this off season was that they could pay more than most.

For me, I just don't see much of a risk in getting a guy like Brooks for 20 million a year...even though 4 years is long...as he's only 27 and you are getting him for most likely the best 4 years of his career in terms of his basketball impact.

Definitely agree about Brook. I'm sure that is what they wanted and would have been great.

[tpols]

I'll take the guy that's not a cancerous piece of shit

Having different opinions doesn't make somebody cancer. Just because you're a sheep doesn't mean everybody has to be.

There's nothing cancerous about 27/6/5. That's a Wade or Kobe line but with better efficiency. Which is ironic since you seem to be all into efficiency yet disregard it here.

[Xiao Yao You]

Having different opinions doesn't make somebody cancer. Just because you're a sheep doesn't mean everybody has to be.

There's nothing cancerous about 27/6/5. That's a Wade or Kobe line but with better efficiency. Which is ironic since you seem to be all into efficiency yet disregard it here.

cancerous is destroying teams that were expected to contend multiple times. Going to birthday parties instead of what you are getting paid for. You can have him. I would want nothing to do with the guy at any price

[90sgoat]

Luka will leave and go to Lakers. And well deserved.

Called it.

[bison]

Why is everyone so down on the Rockets.

I legit don't think you guys know anything about the cap. They needed to spend some money. The FVV contract was and will be a complete nothing burger. I don't love Brooks for 4 years...but 20 million is nothing and somebody would take him if the Rockets need to shed him in a couple years.

FVV/Brooks...at least on the court...should help these young guys learn how to win...and it will help the Rockets see what they actually have with some of these young guys as they will be competitive enough to try and win some games.

You can't just...not pay anybody for years...that isn't how it works anymore...and I swear you guys have to learn that having big contracts for teams not going anywhere in the immediate future is more often than not a positive. If the Rockets just completely suck again...they can take on a playoff team's bad salary to get a pick or something.

Good post in retrospect.