4 obvious max guys. 4 question marks.

[Kblaze8855]

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[Kblaze8855]

Murray, Giannis, Jaylen, and AD are all getting max offers. Whatever their max is they’ll get it at this point. Murray would normally be questionable but after that playoffs? He gets max.

That leaves Leonard, PG13, Demar, and Klay.

Demar is clearly past his max days. I assume Klay would accept he is as well but who knows what they offer?

You extending Leonard and George at all given injury history?

Im sure a team would pay them but I don’t know if it’s the Clippers.

Let’s assume for the moment you are the teams and you want all 4 guys back. What’s your opening offer for 3-4 years?

[Kblaze8855]

Giannis for the record probably won’t even take his. He can get 3 years 175 million or so but if he stays healthy for 2 years he’s gonna cash out for like 350 or something wild like that. He will never even spend what he’s made cheap as he’s supposed to be but he might still want it.

[NBAGOAT]

demar 3yrs 100, klay 4yrs 100, george i'll give 3yrs 140, 4 yrs 190(above 30% below supermax) type deal with games played incentives. kawhi gets full supemax with even stricter incentives

[Real Men Wear Green]

I would try to sign and trade both George as well as Leonard and if they can find someone willing to give them the supermax then bless them. But I wouldn't even offer the max for one year. What I would offer Leonard wouldn't be worth discussing it would just make them angry. I don't think he would sign anything with a bunch of games played incentives. He knows what's wrong with his body better than anyone.

[Jasper]

Giannis I feel will work with the Bucks.
He knows Lopez is on his last two years of his career, and Jrue will retire in 2 as well.
Draft is one thing , but he knows players have to come to Milwaukee, for him to get a possible 3 chip in 3-4 years.
He has to leave money on the table for that to happen.

I stated in Dame's thread that Bucks should consider trading to get Dame, and move Jrue.
Gains two years , and they could win a chip right now, then... and possibly in 3-4 years if Dame stays on board.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Giannis should not leave a dime on the table. Giannis should demand the full supermax plus a no trade clause plus a 15% trade kicker. And if the Bucks owner has a problem with that(he shouldn't) tell him to raise the cap and max on the next CBA. He is at worst the second most valuable player in the league. Guy like that should not be taking less than to dollar.

[tontoz]

If I'm the Lakers i don't offer AD anything this offseason. Injury prone with weak work ethic. Part time player in the playoffs. He has two years left on his deal. I say let him play next season then we can talk.

[Real Men Wear Green]

If I'm the Lakers i don't offer AD anything this offseason. Injury prone with weak work ethic. Part time player in the playoffs. He has two years left on his deal. I say let him play next season then we can talk.

Even if all of this is true he has big trade value. He's not at the Kawhi Leonard point where you just can't count on him at all. Some team close to contender level would absolutely bet the farm on his health.

[tontoz]

Even if all of this is true he has big trade value. He's not at the Kawhi Leonard point where you just can't count on him at all. Some team close to contender level would absolutely bet the farm on his health.

Yeah but that doesn't mean AD will get a max offer this offseason. OP seems to be saying that AD is a lock to get a max offer once he becomes eligible on August 4. I wouldn't be surprised at all if AD doesnt get an offer prior to the start of the season.

[Kblaze8855]

What I’m saying is there is no discussion on what to offer. You don’t go try to talk him down. He’s a max player or he plays for someone else and I think the whole league knows that. “Play for someone else” is an option but no team would think to haggle I wouldn’t figure. I don’t know if he’s THAT unreliable. You putting him on the Leonard level?

[90sgoat]

You just can't sign Leonard to a long contract, no way.

Honestly I think Leonard has known he is invalid since Toronto and has been milking Clippers unfairly.

I do think he is worth a gamble.

If I was a contender, I might offer him something like 30 mill + team option, so 2 year contract.

Not sure how it would work, but if the Clips blow it up, which they should, then Mavs should dangle a tank commander like THJ.

If Leonard could stay healthy for just half the games, 20-25 mins a game, he'd be a huge upgrade for Mavs.

[90sgoat]

Yeah but that doesn't mean AD will get a max offer this offseason. OP seems to be saying that AD is a lock to get a max offer once he becomes eligible on August 4. I wouldn't be surprised at all if AD doesnt get an offer prior to the start of the season.

AD is getting a max.

He played very well in the playoffs and stayed healthy.

He's not that risky a signing. He is playing in the playoffs.

[Clifton]

I'd offer Klay the Draymond contract. Keep it equal. It would be best if they expired at the same time.

If I had the cap space and I were a playoff team that is one guy away from being a contender, depending on personnel I would consider offering Demar the max but not for four years. I really think he could put some teams over the top. He can be so smooth and self-assured in clutch situations. He gets you the kind of shots you need, and he can get them whenever he wants. That's valuable. I'd rather have him than Jaylen Brown for the next two years. The problem is he's an aging asset and doesn't raise your floor much, so only a few teams would want him. I'd offer Demar a 2 year max if I were say... Philly. (Rather have him than Harden.)

Like someone else said, I'm not interested in PG or Kawhi at this point, and while I'd obviously take them on a one year deal, or for the midlevel or something, they'd just be insulted and they're going to get 30+ mil somewhere else, and I'm not willing to do that.

[tontoz]

AD is getting a max.

He played very well in the playoffs and stayed healthy.

He's not that risky a signing. He is playing in the playoffs.


He was ineffective in half the games in the playoffs. He would have a big game then follow it up with a dud over and over.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Yeah but that doesn't mean AD will get a max offer this offseason. OP seems to be saying that AD is a lock to get a max offer once he becomes eligible on August 4. I wouldn't be surprised at all if AD doesnt get an offer prior to the start of the season.
Lakers are not risking that he walks for nothing. Even if they are planning on rebuilding he represents too much value. If you don't want him you sign him anyway and let the league bid on his trade package. About the only thing that makes you think twice is if he tries to demand a no-trade clause. That might get you screwed. But other than that you give him everything. You even give him the clause of he refuses to sign without it because whatever you get in a trade will be better than getting nothing.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I'd rather have him than Jaylen Brown for the next two years.Jaylen Brown was AllNBA and as much as he gets crap for having a bad game 7 he has really been a netter playoff performer than Derozan. They're both midrange scoring wins with Derozan having an edge as a playmaker for others but Brown being a far superior defender, which is still half of the game.

[tontoz]

Lakers are not risking that he walks for nothing. Even if they are planning on rebuilding he represents too much value. If you don't want him you sign him anyway and let the league bid on his trade package. About the only thing that makes you think twice is if he tries to demand a no-trade clause. That might get you screwed. But other than that you give him everything. You even give him the clause of he refuses to sign without it because whatever you get in a trade will be better than getting nothing.


He has two years left on his deal. There is plenty of time to trade him if they decide that's the way they want to go. I don't see any sense of urgency to offer him anything now.

[Real Men Wear Green]

He has two years left on his deal. There is plenty of time to trade him if they decide that's the way they want to go. I don't see any sense of urgency to offer him anything now.

A year ago the Nets were forced to trade James Harden for Ben Simmons. Teams have been having a hard time dealing with stars near the end of their contract. If Davis is content then maybe you can wait a year to make a decision but I wouldn't want to risk it. The only way that extending him becomes a bad decision is if he suffered a career ending injury. Otherwise he's worth the max just for trade value even if you don't think he's a good long-term player.

[tontoz]

Western Conference executive says Lakers are ‘reluctant’ to give Anthony Davis contract extension

“They entered the summer with A.D. on the back-burner,” a Western Conference executive told Heavy.com. “They would like to keep it there, keep that extension on the back-burner. They do not need to do it right away. I’d say they’re reluctant and you can understand that at this point.”



https://lakersdaily.com/western-conference-executive-says-lakers-are-reluctant-to-give-anthony-davis-contract-extension/

In the last 3 seasons AD has played only 56, 40, 36 games. He hasn't played 70 games since 2018. Guys typically don't get healthier after they hit 30.

I think they would be smart playing hardball with him. Offer less than the max this offseason and see if he takes it. If he doesn't, wait it out.

Harden isn't a good example. The Nets were a dysfunctional mess.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Harden is an example of a player forcing his way out. Him Durant and Irving all showed the ability to move themselves. The Lakers were on the better end of this kind of thing when David forced his way onto their team a few years ago, not allowing the Pelicans to try and trade him anywhere else so they just had to take the Laker package. The Lakers can say they aren't in rush right now but let's see what happens if and when Davis applies pressure to them like he did to the Pels.

[Kblaze8855]

Even if you aren’t sure you want him for another 4 years you still offer him a couple more to not let it get to the last year. You always have less leverage when they can walk on you or the new team. There’s always a star ****ing big name hunting franchise like the Knicks or now suns who wants a guy like that. Who was the last big signing a team was actually stuck with? And most aren’t Anthony Davis.

[tontoz]

Playing 44 games per season over the last 3 seasons doesn't scream max player to me. This offseason i think the Lakers have the leverage to possibly pressure AD into signing a deal less than the max.

[Kblaze8855]

This offseason is one thing. He gets to free agency? Entirely another. He’s getting max offers no matter what. Guess it depends how much they care long term. They might figure once Lebrons gone the window is closed anyway.

[tpols]

Only guys worth it are Brown, Murray, AD, and Giannis.

[tpols]

If I'm the Lakers i don't offer AD anything this offseason. Injury prone with weak work ethic. Part time player in the playoffs. He has two years left on his deal. I say let him play next season then we can talk.

AD has outplayed everybody on that list the past few years except Giannis. But even that's a draw given how G has been getting bounced by 8 seeds. (multiple times)

Davis averaged 27/14 on 49/50/88 splits against Denver.... that's sniper efficiency and great volume. And to top it off he was easily the best defensive player. What more do you want?

You guys are spoiled. AD also carried them to the playoffs when lebron sat out the end of the regular season and they went on a run to bounce back from being a 12 seed.

[tontoz]

AD has outplayed everybody on that list the past few years except Giannis. But even that's a draw given how G has been getting bounced by 8 seeds. (multiple times)

Davis averaged 27/14 on 49/50/88 splits against Denver.... that's sniper efficiency and great volume. And to top it off he was easily the best defensive player. What more do you want?

You guys are spoiled. AD also carried them to the playoffs when lebron sat out the end of the regular season and they went on a run to bounce back from being a 12 seed.



In order to outplay someone you have to actually....play. Over the last 3 seasons Jaylen has played 60 more games than AD.

[tpols]

In order to outplay someone you have to actually....play. Over the last 3 seasons Jaylen has played 60 more games than AD.

Did AD not just play the whole playoffs and help carry them to it?

It just confounds me that you could look at his playoff production and not think he's worth it when guys much worse than him are getting 200+ million dollar deals.

Singling Davis out for injury history when kawhi and Paul george are on this list... literally don't play in the playoffs at all and have choked hard-core when they did. Doesn't make sense...

[tontoz]

Did AD not just play the whole playoffs and help carry them to it?

It just confounds me that you could look at his playoff production and not think he's worth it when guys much worse than him are getting 200+ million dollar deals.

Singling Davis out for injury history when kawhi and Paul george are on this list... literally don't play in the playoffs at all and have choked hard-core when they did. Doesn't make sense...


Recency bias much? AD's inability to stay on the floor almost caused the Lakers to miss the playoffs entirely this season. It actually did cause them to miss the playoffs last season.

I dont see anyone arguing that Kawhi or PG13 are a lock to get the max.