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https://twitter.com/populismupdates/status/1683157829224632321?s=46&t=03VMWS49WBcQFjNGjqNl6Q
Campaign retweeted this video (now deleted). Accuses Trump of being too left wing and features a literal Nazi symbol at the end. Desantis is undeniably a fascist.
BurningHammer
07-23-2023, 02:23 PM
It's so easy to smear anyone, just add anything Nazi into it. It works for Putin so why not DeSantis?
It's so easy to smear anyone, just add anything Nazi into it. It works for Putin so why not DeSantis?
No he wasn’t calling Trump as a Nazi he was using a Nazi symbol in support of himself. Watch the video.
iamgine
07-23-2023, 02:34 PM
Not sure what this is. Looks like a fan made video.
BurningHammer
07-23-2023, 02:37 PM
No he wasn’t calling Trump as a Nazi he was using a Nazi symbol in support of himself. Watch the video.
I guess DeSantis campaign manager is some random high schooler. :ohwell:
Real Men Wear Green
07-23-2023, 03:39 PM
Florida has some serious problems. Climate change has lead to horrible hurricanes and storms which on top of the property damage and danger has insurance companies refusing to cover the state. And his answer to everything apppears to be "**** gay people." I don't understand the obsession with trans. He is having the state investigate Bud Light parent company InBev. Like....why? Ok they have a can to the ladyboy. What does it matter? How will that deal with the rising sea level?
And of course he has the positive side of slavery as his side project.
No one that is voting for Trump is going to abandon Trump for this guy. And it seems like the more the rest of us learn about DeSantis agenda the less we want him anywhere near the presidency. He does make Trump look liberal but seriously that's not a good thing
Long Duck Dong
07-23-2023, 03:57 PM
Which side limits more free speech?
Which side wants to limit your right to bear arms?
Which side likes to limit your ability to gather?
Which side wants to control more of our everyday lives?
The left wins on abortion and... that's all I got. So who are the fascists again? :lol
"I choose the side that wants to control me more. If you don't control us more, you are a ****ing fascist!!! " :facepalm
Which side limits more free speech?
Which side wants to limit your right to bear arms?
Which side likes to limit your ability to gather?
Which side wants to control more of our everyday lives?
The left wins on abortion and... that's all I got. So who are the fascists again? :lol
"I choose the side that wants to control me more. If you don't control us more, you are a ****ing fascist!!! " :facepalm
I think retweeting a video using Nazi symbols is a good indication one is a fascist but then again I have a functional frontal lobe which is rare on ISH. You should probably look up the definition of fascism too any definition will tell you it’s a far right ideology.
Real Men Wear Green
07-23-2023, 04:09 PM
The overwhelming majority of Americans want more gun control. The AR-15 is a weapon of war and its used for fast mass killing not self-defense ibis you are planning to fight off an invasion by the Columbian drug cartel. And how do you in the same post talk about the left being more limiting of individual freedoms while acknowledging what the right had done on abortion? Passing laws to keep books out of libraries and limit the areas where a man can wear a skirt isn't limiting freedoms? Not making sense here.
JohnnySic
07-23-2023, 04:10 PM
Nothing wrong with being right wing. This country needs and extremely unkind and ungentle move to the right.
Long Duck Dong
07-23-2023, 04:41 PM
I haven't seen any news sources pick up on this so I'm assuming it's another nothingburger. Or at the very most a lazy staffer working on the weekend retweeting something he didn't fully vet and quickly realizing his or her mistake.
Blacks are fleeing blue states like crazy to go live in red states. Kinda points to who the real racists and fascists are. Even if you didn't know that places like Massachusetts, NJ and District of Colombia tend to always lead the nation in hate crimes.
I haven't seen any news sources pick up on this so I'm assuming it's another nothingburger. Or at the very most a lazy staffer working on the weekend retweeting something he didn't fully vet and quickly realizing his or her mistake.
Blacks are fleeing blue states like crazy to go live in red states. Kinda points to who the real racists and fascists are. Even if you didn't know that places like Massachusetts, NJ and District of Colombia tend to always lead the nation in hate crimes.
Who are you even arguing with? I’m not a democrat. You guys sound like bots programmed by Fox News.
Baller234
07-23-2023, 05:21 PM
I haven't seen any news sources pick up on this so I'm assuming it's another nothingburger. Or at the very most a lazy staffer working on the weekend retweeting something he didn't fully vet and quickly realizing his or her mistake.
Blacks are fleeing blue states like crazy to go live in red states. Kinda points to who the real racists and fascists are. Even if you didn't know that places like Massachusetts, NJ and District of Colombia tend to always lead the nation in hate crimes.
Ron Desantis is normal and says normal things so of course the left wing lunatics thinks he is an evil nazi.
If he were to somehow get the republican nomination, watch how quickly they would prop up Trump in attempt to paint DeSantis as the more dangerous villain.
The most current republican president is always "the most evil person ever" without exception. Liberals even love Bush now because he spoke out against Orange Face.
Ron Desantis is normal and says normal things so of course the left wing lunatics thinks he is an evil nazi.
If he were to somehow get the republican nomination, watch how quickly they would prop up Trump in attempt to paint DeSantis as the more dangerous villain.
The most current republican president is always "the most evil person ever" without exception. Liberals even love Bush now because he spoke out against Orange Face.
Thinking Trump is too left wing is “normal”. Retweeting pro nazi videos is “normal”.
This is “normal”: https://twitter.com/0hour/status/1681866765507149824?s=46&t=03VMWS49WBcQFjNGjqNl6Q
https://twitter.com/chrisjustice01/status/1680290199572496384?s=46&t=03VMWS49WBcQFjNGjqNl6Q
Just admit you love Hitler.
Baller234
07-23-2023, 05:29 PM
Thinking Trump is too left wing is “normal”. Retweeting pro nazi videos is “normal”.
This is “normal”: https://twitter.com/0hour/status/1681866765507149824?s=46&t=03VMWS49WBcQFjNGjqNl6Q
https://twitter.com/chrisjustice01/status/1680290199572496384?s=46&t=03VMWS49WBcQFjNGjqNl6Q
Just admit you love Hitler.
My entire family is jewish, buddy.
My entire family is jewish, buddy.
And yet you’re still defending Nazis.
Baller234
07-23-2023, 05:54 PM
And yet you’re still defending Nazis.
You posting a picture of a random person holding a nazi flag, who may or may not be an actual supporter of Desantis, means that Desantis himself is a nazi?
Even if they were, what's your point? There are only two political parties. The slimeballs are going to land wherever they may. Look at how many commies support democrat politicians.
This is really a low effort troll.
You posting a picture of a random person holding a nazi flag, who may or may not be an actual supporter of Desantis, means that Desantis himself is a nazi?
Even if they were, what's your point? There are only two political parties. The slimeballs are going to land wherever they may. Look at how many commies support democrat politicians.
This is really a low effort troll.
Communists and Nazis are not the same thing. You just get dumber and dumber with every post. I wonder whose alt you are.
Still pretending acting as if Trump is too left wing is normal?
Baller234
07-23-2023, 06:14 PM
Communists and Nazis are not the same thing. You just get dumber and dumber with every post. I wonder whose alt you are.
Still pretending acting as if Trump is too left wing is normal?
This is pure ignorance. Both regimes are responsible for mass murder. Stalin may have killed more people than Hitler.
This is pure ignorance. Both regimes are responsible for mass murder. Stalin may have killed more people than Hitler.
Stalin wasn’t a communist just because he said he was. Do you believe North Korea is democratic? They say they are: Democratic People’s Republic of Korea. Tell me how Stalin was communist. What principles of Marxism did he follow?
Even if we count Stalin as a communist, equating him with Hitler is ahistorical. Stalin was an evil bastard, no doubt, but the amount of people he intentionally executed was between 700k-1.2 million if I remember correctly. He also killed a large amount of people due to forced deportations (between 800k-1.5 million). Then there’s the Holodomor famine. It’s debated whether Stalin did that intentionally or not but even at best it wasn’t a good look for him as head of state. If you want him to give him credit for those deaths it was between 3.5 and 5 million. A lot of the deaths attributed to Stalin were soldiers killed in WW2. Stalin did not start WW2 so weird to attribute all those deaths to him. The only deaths in WW2 I would give Stalin blame for are the ones that occurred during the time he was allied with Hitler which were at most around a million (not something a communist would ever do in case you need more evidence of Stalin not being one). Up to 1.7 million people died in Stalin’s gulag system as well. That totals up to at most 10.4 million people Stalin killed. A horrible number to be sure but nowhere near Hitler.
Hitler not only killed upwards of 20 million people in the Holocaust, he started WW2, in which 73 million people died. That puts the deaths Hitler is responsible for at around 93 million. Btw I couldn’t even find records of people who died in prison for Hitler so the number is definitely even higher.
Even if we just count the Holocaust, Hitler killed around double the people Stalin did or more. And that was over a span of about half a decade while Stalin was in power from 1924-1953. Consider also that Hitler wanted to take over the world and exterminate everyone who wasn’t Aryan so his final death total would have been so much higher if he wasn’t stopped. They are not comparable.
BigKobeFan
07-23-2023, 06:49 PM
Which side limits more free speech?
Which side wants to limit your right to bear arms?
Which side likes to limit your ability to gather?
Which side wants to control more of our everyday lives?
The left wins on abortion and... that's all I got. So who are the fascists again? :lol
"I choose the side that wants to control me more. If you don't control us more, you are a ****ing fascist!!! " :facepalm
The democratic playbook. Accuse someone of being a fascist and a racist if they do not agree with you
Yet they are the ones taxing the shit outta you and limiting the free market
imdaman99
07-23-2023, 06:51 PM
He's gonna get shit on by trump anyway, so he doesn't matter.
He's gonna get shit on by trump anyway, so he doesn't matter.
He still governs an entire state and he’s a sign of how far right republicans are getting. Yes he will lose to Trump tho
j3lademaster
07-23-2023, 06:55 PM
This is pure ignorance. Both regimes are responsible for mass murder. Stalin may have killed more people than Hitler.there has never been a communist regime ever implemented. It’s a scary word because historically people who ran under it ultimately became some combination of fascist/totalitarian/dictatorship, but by that logic words like “nationalism” should be scary as well as it was historically used to the same end(Hitler and the Nazi party being the most famous example). Somehow it isn’t because dumb people aren’t trained to treat it as such.
j3lademaster
07-23-2023, 07:02 PM
The democratic playbook. Accuse someone of being a fascist and a racist if they do not agree with you
Yet they are the ones taxing the shit outta you and limiting the free marketA free market doesn’t exist. Corporations are chipping away at regulations that are supposed to keep them in check on an almost daily basis, and as they do, more and more of the wealth will flow towards the top, until the people are inconvenienced enough to revolt(for ex. French Rev). It’s basic economics, backed up by an ugly history plagued with real world evidence. See: serfdoms, slavery etc.
there has never been a communist regime ever implemented. It’s a scary word because historically people who ran under it ultimately became some combination of fascist/totalitarian/dictatorship, but by that logic words like “nationalism” should be scary as well as it was historically used to the same end(Hitler and the Nazi party being the most famous example). Somehow it isn’t because dumb people aren’t trained to treat it as such.
Holy shit someone who actually gets it :biggums:
A free market doesn’t exist. Corporations are chipping away at regulations that are supposed to keep them in check on an almost daily basis, and as they do, more and more of the wealth will flow towards the top, until the people are inconvenienced enough to revolt(for ex. French Rev). It’s basic economics, backed up by an ugly history plagued with real world evidence. See: serfdoms, slavery etc.
:bowdown:
One of the only politically literate people on here.
Patrick Chewing
07-23-2023, 08:05 PM
It's weird how that troglodytic OP says he's not a Liberal, but he sure as hell likes to make threads that bash Conservatives.
Patrick Chewing
07-23-2023, 08:07 PM
:bowdown:
One of the only politically literate people on here.
You forgot to log out of your account and log in to your alt didn't you?? Quoting the same poster within a minute.....highly suspect. :oldlol:
You forgot to log out of your account and log in to your alt didn't you?? Quoting the same poster within a minute.....highly suspect. :oldlol:
You can’t quote two posts at once genius. As usual the simple explanation eludes you. Unless you’re implying I’m j3lademaster :facepalm. I’m open about every account I’ve had on here, I don’t make alts unless they’re for a joke. Might make one mocking you if you don’t shut up.
It's weird how that troglodytic OP says he's not a Liberal, but he sure as hell likes to make threads that bash Conservatives.
Do you think anarchists like conservatives? :hammerhead:
bladefd
07-23-2023, 08:32 PM
Nothing wrong with being right wing. This country needs and extremely unkind and ungentle move to the right.
This country is already to the right. I don't think you have seen a real left winger if you think Bernie Sanders & Hillary Clinton are extreme left wingers lol.
Baller234
07-23-2023, 08:51 PM
Do you think anarchists like conservatives? :hammerhead:
Can you elaborate when you say that you are an anarchist?
What type of governmental system (or lack thereof) are you advocating for? How would the economy work?
Can you elaborate when you say that you are an anarchist?
What type of governmental system (or lack thereof) are you advocating for? How would the economy work?
Anarchists oppose all forms of authority. We are anti government and anti capitalist and believe people should all work together to build a society based around mutual aid where people are truly free.
Baller234
07-23-2023, 09:10 PM
Anarchists oppose all forms of authority. We are anti government and anti capitalist and believe people should all work together to build a society based around mutual aid where people are truly free.
How does the exchange of goods and services work if you are anti-capitalism?
Who pays for your house? HOW do you pay for your house? Do you even own your house?
Patrick Chewing
07-23-2023, 09:13 PM
How does the exchange of goods and services work if you are anti-capitalism?
Who pays for your house? HOW do you pay for your house? Do you even own your house?
Monetary systems have been around since the dawn of civilization, but for some reason, this genius thinks having no money and having things handed to you is the best way of life possible.
So therefore, if you grow food on your land, it's really not your food. Anyone can come and take it.
Patrick Chewing
07-23-2023, 09:15 PM
Do you think anarchists like conservatives? :hammerhead:
I can go back to the beginning of ISH and I have never once seen you make a thread that bashes Liberals.
Baller234
07-23-2023, 09:17 PM
Monetary systems have been around since the dawn of civilization, but for some reason, this genius thinks having no money and having things handed to you is the best way of life possible.
So therefore, if you grow food on your land, it's really not your food. Anyone can come and take it.
Right, not sure how land ownership even works in this so called anarchist society. How can you truly own a piece of a land without a governing authority declaring it legally yours?
The only way to secure your land would be to do so with force. Sounds like Mad Max.
I can go back to the beginning of ISH and I have never once seen you make a thread that bashes Liberals.
Everyone else on this board is either a liberal or conservative, I go after the group who's much worse. I have plenty of issues with liberalism but you guys are the Evil Empire.
Patrick Chewing
07-23-2023, 09:25 PM
Right, not sure how land ownership even works in this so called anarchist society. How can you truly own a piece of a land without a governing authority declaring it legally yours?
The only way to secure your land would be to do so with force. Sounds like Mad Max.
Exactly, this "Anarchist" society sounds like it would descend into "anarchy" in a matter of days. No laws, no order, no property, no way of maintaining order. This is why I don't understand RRR3's thinking here, unless he just likes to sound edgy and cool by saying he's an anarchist. We are typing on machines that send messages over the airways on this thing called the internet because of Capitalism. We live in the most technologically advanced country because of Capitalism. This so called anarchist society he cherishes may work in a doomsday scenario where you're just a small group of 50 people or less trying to rebuild, but in a modernized world of 8 billion people, it is nothing more than an insane dream that will only lead to chaos and disorder. If we have chaos and disorder now with laws and with law enforcement, imagine the hell it would be without it.
When RRR3 starts talking about this stuff, this is the mental picture I get...
https://media.tenor.com/IYXBj7rqfo4AAAAC/clown-makeup.gif
Right, not sure how land ownership even works in this so called anarchist society. How can you truly own a piece of a land without a governing authority declaring it legally yours?
The only way to secure your land would be to do so with force. Sounds like Mad Max.
No one can truly own a piece of land, it belongs to the earth. If you mean a house, that falls under personal property. Anarchy respects personal property. If someone tries to take your personal property under anarchy, you stop them. Some of you are unable to conceive of life without government, when such societies have actually existed.
Monetary systems have been around since the dawn of civilization, but for some reason, this genius thinks having no money and having things handed to you is the best way of life possible.
So therefore, if you grow food on your land, it's really not your food. Anyone can come and take it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_aid_(organization_theory)
Anarchism instills communal values. In an anarchist society, no one is going to take any food you grow in a garden, because there will be community gardens to provide for everyone.
Exactly, this "Anarchist" society sounds like it would descend into "anarchy" in a matter of days. No laws, no order, no property, no way of maintaining order. This is why I don't understand RRR3's thinking here, unless he just likes to sound edgy and cool by saying he's an anarchist. We are typing on machines that send messages over the airways on this thing called the internet because of Capitalism. We live in the most technologically advanced country because of Capitalism. This so called anarchist society he cherishes may work in a doomsday scenario where you're just a small group of 50 people or less trying to rebuild, but in a modernized world of 8 billion people, it is nothing more than an insane dream that will only lead to chaos and disorder. If we have chaos and disorder now with laws and with law enforcement, imagine the hell it would be without it.
When RRR3 starts talking about this stuff, this is the mental picture I get...
https://media.tenor.com/IYXBj7rqfo4AAAAC/clown-makeup.gif
Heard this all before. From everyone from fascists like you to liberals to Marxists. Don't expect anyone besides other anarchists to agree with me, you just asked for an explanation so you got it. Now you're crying about it because that's what you do. Funny you claim to believe in freedom but freak out when I suggest a completely free society though.
Baller234
07-23-2023, 09:31 PM
No one can truly own a piece of land, it belongs to the earth. If you mean a house, that falls under personal property. Anarchy respects personal property. If someone tries to take your personal property under anarchy, you stop them. Some of you are unable to conceive of life without government, when such societies have actually existed.
Your property is situated on land, genius. When you own a home, you also own the land that the home is built on.
What the hell are you even saying??? :oldlol:
j3lademaster
07-23-2023, 09:34 PM
No one can truly own a piece of land, it belongs to the earth. If you mean a house, that falls under personal property. Anarchy respects personal property. If someone tries to take your personal property under anarchy, you stop them. Some of you are unable to conceive of life without government, when such societies have actually existed.
Its just hard to fathom a society that you’ve never even seen let alone even seen work. Most humans are narrowminded, myself included in this regard. I just don’t see how you prevent, say, a group of dudes with a lot of guns taking everything and making it into a dictatorship or what have you.
Your property is situated on land, genius. When you own a home, you also own the land that the home is built on.
What the hell are you even saying??? :oldlol:
I said there would be respect for personal property under anarchy, because that value is instilled amongst anarchists. We do not respect private property or state property but people are obviously entitled to have a place to stay and food to eat. The concept of land ownership seems to fall under private property way too often, people aren't just using that concept for personal gardens.
Patrick Chewing
07-23-2023, 09:36 PM
Everyone else on this board is either a liberal or conservative, I go after the group who's much worse. I have plenty of issues with liberalism but you guys are the Evil Empire.
This is why I think you're just one of the dumber people on this board. In case you haven't been paying attention over the last few years, Conservatives have been preaching less government intrusion in our lives and less government regulations. Hell, there have been Conservatives who have pushed for the abolishment of the IRS completely. And here you are in a thread talking about no government whatsoever, but somehow (cause I know you're full of shit), you think Conservatives are worse than Liberals?? :roll:
When you're ready to grow up and crawl out of that cave you've been living in, let us know and we'll have a true discussion on American politics. If you want your little "Anarchism" Society, I'd be voting for Republicans if I were you.
Its just hard to fathom a society that you’ve never even seen let alone even seen work. Most humans are narrowminded, myself included in this regard. I just don’t see how you prevent, say, a group of dudes with a lot of guns taking everything and making it into a dictatorship or what have you.
Because the anarchists would have guns too and stop them? I don't claim to have all the answers, but no one else on this board has all the answers either, I can pick far more holes in the ideology of the people on this board than they can in mine. And anarchy is at least morally consistent and ethical. Can't say that for any other ideology, at least not to the same degree.
Baller234
07-23-2023, 09:39 PM
Its just hard to fathom a society that you’ve never even seen let alone even seen work. Most humans are narrowminded, myself included in this regard. I just don’t see how you prevent, say, a group of dudes with a lot of guns taking everything and making it into a dictatorship or what have you.
You said a house would fall under personal property, but a house is situated on land. If you own the house, that means you also own the land.
You aren't making a lick of fu*king sense right now.
Patrick Chewing
07-23-2023, 09:39 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_aid_(organization_theory)
Anarchism instills communal values. In an anarchist society, no one is going to take any food you grow in a garden, because there will be community gardens to provide for everyone.
If people cannot follow laws that put you in jail and take away your freedoms, how in the hell do you think people are going to follow "communal values". Humans are flawed by nature. There will always be someone who will take your shit or take more than their fair share. And when that person gets away with it, then someone else will do the same, and someone else will do the same after that, and before you know it...ANARCHY lol. What you're describing is literally the plot of The Walking Dead or some shit. It just doesn't exist in reality.
Patrick Chewing
07-23-2023, 09:42 PM
Because the anarchists would have guns too and stop them? I don't claim to have all the answers, but no one else on this board has all the answers either, I can pick far more holes in the ideology of the people on this board than they can in mine. And anarchy is at least morally consistent and ethical. Can't say that for any other ideology, at least not to the same degree.
Do you know what stops most people from taking your shit in today's world? LAWS. :lol
Cause what you're talking about looks like what I've been saying in this thread. Your little society would end up in wild shootouts and standoffs. In other words, anarchy. Gee, I wonder why no society or nation on Earth has tried this way of living.
Baller234
07-23-2023, 09:42 PM
Because the anarchists would have guns too and stop them? I don't claim to have all the answers, but no one else on this board has all the answers either, I can pick far more holes in the ideology of the people on this board than they can in mine. And anarchy is at least morally consistent and ethical. Can't say that for any other ideology, at least not to the same degree.
"A thriving civilization like the one I'm describing has never existed before, but trust me bro you need to listen to me it would totally work..."
This is why I think you're just one of the dumber people on this board. In case you haven't been paying attention over the last few years, Conservatives have been preaching less government intrusion in our lives and less government regulations. Hell, there have been Conservatives who have pushed for the abolishment of the IRS completely. And here you are in a thread talking about no government whatsoever, but somehow (cause I know you're full of shit), you think Conservatives are worse than Liberals?? :roll:
When you're ready to grow up and crawl out of that cave you've been living in, let us know and we'll have a true discussion on American politics. If you want your little "Anarchism" Society, I'd be voting for Republicans if I were you.
Did I not say that anarchists are anticapitalist? Republicans want to make capitalism even worse than it already is. Capitalism is an incredibly authoritarian and hierarchical ideology, and anarchists adamantly oppose all hierarchies. Furthermore, I'm not seeing how you think Republicans are the party of less intrusion into people's lives when they're super anti-drug, anti-LGBTQ (to the point that they want to inspect children's genitals) and anti-immigration. The vast majority of law enforcement and military is conservative as well. You're literally spouting off easily disprovable statements. Finally, another key tenet of anarchism is that everyone deserves to have their basic needs met. While liberals are quite bad at this, they are far less bad than republicans. For what it's worth, I voted green in 2020 so I'm not sure why you keep insisting I support Biden.
If people cannot follow laws that put you in jail and take away your freedoms, how in the hell do you think people are going to follow "communal values". Humans are flawed by nature. There will always be someone who will take your shit or take more than their fair share. And when that person gets away with it, then someone else will do the same, and someone else will do the same after that, and before you know it...ANARCHY lol. What you're describing is literally the plot of The Walking Dead or some shit. It just doesn't exist in reality.
Anarchists have a positive view of humanity. We believe they have been corrupted by society but are inherently good.
warriorfan
07-23-2023, 09:45 PM
I said there would be respect for personal property under anarchy, because that value is instilled amongst anarchists. We do not respect private property or state property but people are obviously entitled to have a place to stay and food to eat. The concept of land ownership seems to fall under private property way too often, people aren't just using that concept for personal gardens.
what the ****?
:roll:
Do you know what stops most people from taking your shit in today's world? LAWS. :lol
Cause what you're talking about looks like what I've been saying in this thread. Your little society would end up in wild shootouts and standoffs. In other words, anarchy. Gee, I wonder why no society or nation on Earth has tried this way of living.
A nation can't try anarchy, because anarchy is against nations. You are also unfamiliar with Makhnovia and Spanish Catalonia, clearly. Anarchy has been tried, it just gets violently suppressed by other ideologies. There are other anti-state ideologies like the PKK in Kurdistan and ELZN in Mexico that exist to this day. Neither of these societies are fully anarchist but they are heavily influenced by anarchist thought and share many similarities.
"A thriving civilization like the one I'm describing has never existed before, but trust me bro you need to listen to me it would totally work..."
Your idea for a thriving civilization didn't work, so why should we listen to you?
Patrick Chewing
07-23-2023, 09:50 PM
Did I not say that anarchists are anticapitalist? Republicans want to make capitalism even worse than it already is. Capitalism is an incredibly authoritarian and hierarchical ideology, and anarchists adamantly oppose all hierarchies. Furthermore, I'm not seeing how you think Republicans are the party of less intrusion into people's lives when they're super anti-drug, anti-LGBTQ (to the point that they want to inspect children's genitals) and anti-immigration. The vast majority of law enforcement and military is conservative as well. You're literally spouting off easily disprovable statements. Finally, another key tenet of anarchism is that everyone deserves to have their basic needs met. While liberals are quite bad at this, they are far less bad than republicans. For what it's worth, I voted green in 2020 so I'm not sure why you keep insisting I support Biden.
Your life is inherently better under Capitalism. Your life is better than any other citizen across the entire globe. Do you understand this? Drugs are bad and can kill you. We are not anti-LGBTQ. You can be as gay as you want, we just don't want any kind of sexuality being taught to school children, nor do we want children being mutilated by doctors. We are not anti-immigration. We are anti-illegal immigration. We are all the product of immigrants. But when immigrants cross this border unchecked and flood our streets with no place to put them, yes, it becomes a problem. Your entire narrative on Conservatives is lifted from the pages of the New York Times and CNN chyrons.
Patrick Chewing
07-23-2023, 09:51 PM
A nation can't try anarchy, because anarchy is against nations. You are also unfamiliar with Makhnovia and Spanish Catalonia, clearly. Anarchy has been tried, it just gets violently suppressed by other ideologies. There are other anti-state ideologies like the PKK in Kurdistan and ELZN in Mexico that exist to this day. Neither of these societies are fully anarchist but they are heavily influenced by anarchist thought and share many similarities.
Yes, I'm very unfamiliar with ideas that do not work. :lol
Baller234
07-23-2023, 09:52 PM
Your idea for a thriving civilization didn't work, so why should we listen to you?
If you can't thrive in America or the western world, it's because you're lazy or you're a fu*king retard. Immigrants travel to the U.S. with nothing but lint in their pocket and are able to make a life for themselves. Their families can become middle class in a single generation.
Tell us oh wise one, what other shining example of human civilization would you like to point to as an example? What nation (or people) throughout history past or present do you think we should emulate instead?
j3lademaster
07-23-2023, 09:55 PM
You said a house would fall under personal property, but a house is situated on land. If you own the house, that means you also own the land.
You aren't making a lick of fu*king sense right now.I didn’t say any of that.
Patrick Chewing
07-23-2023, 09:56 PM
If you can't thrive in America or the western world, it's because you're lazy or you're a fu*king retard. Immigrants travel to the U.S. with nothing but lint in their pocket and are able to make a life for themselves. Their families can become middle class in a single generation.
Tell us oh wise one, what other shining example of human civilization would you like to point to as an example? What nation (or people) throughout history past or present do you think we should emulate instead?
Imagine how quickly he and his anarchist society would boot me out of their little city or town if I started spouting off ideas of a Capitalist society and how better it would be. They'd probably hang me or shoot me too for being a traitor. Remember, there are no laws in his world. Just the communal code of ethics. Whereas in this society, he can say whatever crazy idea comes to his mind.
Honestly, they tried this little experiment in Seattle (CHAZ/CHOP) and someone was murdered within a week and it lasted like a month. All those green-haired freaks returned to their parents and their regular lives. :oldlol:
Your life is inherently better under Capitalism. Your life is better than any other citizen across the entire globe. Do you understand this? Drugs are bad and can kill you. We are not anti-LGBTQ. You can be as gay as you want, we just don't want any kind of sexuality being taught to school children, nor do we want children being mutilated by doctors. We are not anti-immigration. We are anti-illegal immigration. We are all the product of immigrants. But when immigrants cross this border unchecked and flood our streets with no place to put them, yes, it becomes a problem. Your entire narrative on Conservatives is lifted from the pages of the New York Times and CNN chyrons.
ALL drugs are bad? Who told you that, a cop? People should be able to do whatever they want, why do you care if someone wants to do heroin? Yes, it's bad for them and might kill them, but it doesn't affect you. I'm against the entire concept of school as we know it, so idgaf about arguing about that. Children should be taught acceptance of all types of people though. Children being mutilated by doctors isn't a thing, puberty blockers are reversible, and actual surgery is reserved for adults. Unless of course you mean circumcision but I don't see you railing against that. Legal and illegal discrimination is a dumb point to make to me because I don't respect the legality of any state. It's arbitrary nonsense. As for housing "illegal" immigrants, we could easily do that. Are you aware of how many abandoned houses exist in America?
If you can't thrive in America or the western world, it's because you're lazy or you're a fu*king retard. Immigrants travel to the U.S. with nothing but lint in their pocket and are able to make a life for themselves. Their families can become middle class in a single generation.
Tell us oh wise one, what other shining example of human civilization would you like to point to as an example? What nation (or people) throughout history past or present do you think we should emulate instead?
None. Every nation ever has sucked, you obviously aren't reading what I'm saying.
I was speaking to the nation thriving as a whole. America isn't thriving you obviously think it yourself or you wouldn't be complaining about it.
Imagine how quickly he and his anarchist society would boot me out of their little city or town if I started spouting off ideas of a Capitalist society and how better it would be. They'd probably hang me or shoot me too for being a traitor. Remember, there are no laws in his world. Just the communal code of ethics. Whereas in this society, he can say whatever crazy idea comes to his mind.
Honestly, they tried this little experiment in Seattle (CHAZ/CHOP) and someone was murdered within a week and it lasted like a month. All those green-haired freaks returned to their parents and their regular lives. :oldlol:
You'd be free to be annoying in an anarchist society, you just wouldn't make any friends. Just like your life under capitalism!
As for CHAZ, tons of people get murdered every single day under capitalism, so pretty bad point there.
Baller234
07-23-2023, 10:03 PM
I didn’t say any of that.
I quoted the wrong post, was meant for Anarchist Socrates.
Patrick Chewing
07-23-2023, 10:06 PM
ALL drugs are bad? Who told you that, a cop? People should be able to do whatever they want, why do you care if someone wants to do heroin? Yes, it's bad for them and might kill them, but it doesn't affect you. I'm against the entire concept of school as we know it, so idgaf about arguing about that. Children should be taught acceptance of all types of people though. Children being mutilated by doctors isn't a thing, puberty blockers are reversible, and actual surgery is reserved for adults. Unless of course you mean circumcision but I don't see you railing against that. Legal and illegal discrimination is a dumb point to make to me because I don't respect the legality of any state. It's arbitrary nonsense. As for housing "illegal" immigrants, we could easily do that. Are you aware of how many abandoned houses exist in America?
I rest my case, ladies and gents. This is complete and utter lunacy right here, folks.
Imagine having a good friend or a good relative on heroin and then reading this garbage. Why do I care if my relative does heroin? It doesn't affect me? You should tell the family members of a heroin addict or a fentanyl addict that their relative doing those drugs shouldn't affect them. See what they tell ya.
I rest my case, ladies and gents. This is complete and utter lunacy right here, folks.
Imagine having a good friend or a good relative on heroin and then reading this garbage. Why do I care if my relative does heroin? It doesn't affect me? You should tell the family members of a heroin addict or a fentanyl addict that their relative doing those drugs shouldn't affect them. See what they tell ya.
I meant in a legal sense. Yes I would be concerned if someone I cared about was doing heroin but I would try to help them, not throw them in prison.
Baller234
07-23-2023, 10:08 PM
None. Every nation ever has sucked, you obviously aren't reading what I'm saying.
I was speaking to the nation thriving as a whole. America isn't thriving you obviously think it yourself or you wouldn't be complaining about it.
Are you sure you're optimistic when it comes to humanity? You're essentially arguing that every human civilization throughout history has been terrible.
I may have my problems with government, but America is still an amazing country and I believe in it's values. I believe in private property rights and I believe in capitalism. I have a place to live and a loving family... and not even corrupt democrats can take that away from me.
If you aren't happy living in 21st century America, you aren't going to be happy anywhere. You are going to be miserable no matter what.
Are you sure you're optimistic when it comes to humanity? You're essentially arguing that every human civilization throughout history has been terrible.
I may have my problems with government, but America is still an amazing country and I believe in it's values. I believe in private property rights and I believe in capitalism. I have a place to live and a loving family... and not even corrupt democrats can take that away from me.
If you aren't happy living in 21st century America, you aren't going to be happy anywhere. You are going to be miserable no matter what.
You believe in America but yet you constantly whine about how bad it is :confusedshrug:
Baller234
07-23-2023, 10:13 PM
You believe in America but yet you constantly whine about how bad it is :confusedshrug:
No, we whine about how bad liberals are. At least current day liberals.
I love America. So much so that I respect your freedom to voice your asinine views and opinions. :oldlol:
No, we whine about how bad liberals are. At least current day liberals.
I love America. So much so that I respect your freedom to voice your asinine views and opinions. :oldlol:
America is LIBERAL :lol
So you love liberalism.
Patrick Chewing
07-23-2023, 10:18 PM
I meant in a legal sense. Yes I would be concerned if someone I cared about was doing heroin but I would try to help them, not throw them in prison.
And how do you help a drug user by making all drugs legal?
Baller234
07-23-2023, 10:22 PM
America is LIBERAL :lol
So you love liberalism.
"Liberal" as in team blue.
I am a registered independent, but for the sake of this argument I may as well be a conservative considering that I am rooting for team red to come out on top in this political and cultural reckoning we're currently undergoing.
You guys won't be happy until everyone else is as miserable as you guys are. That's why you advocate for an anarchist society.
You guys are batshit insane.
And how do you help a drug user by making all drugs legal?
People who are gonna do drugs that could kill them aren't gonna stop because it's illegal in case you haven't noticed. So it just ends up putting nonviolent offenders in prison. I don't see you calling for banning alcohol either so there's not even consistency here.
"Liberal" as in team blue.
I am a registered independent, but for the sake of this argument I may as well be a conservative considering that I am rooting for team red to come out on top in this political and cultural reckoning we're currently undergoing.
You guys won't be happy until everyone else is as miserable as you guys are. That's why you advocate for an anarchist society.
You guys are batshit insane.
Democrats are more left wing than Republicans, but they are still liberals. And there are plenty of parties called liberal that are the right wing party in their nation (in Australia for instance). You have a funny view of the word liberal.
Baller234
07-23-2023, 10:31 PM
Democrats are more left wing than Republicans, yes but there are plenty of parties called liberal that are the right wing party in their nation (in Australia for instance). You have a funny view of the word liberal.
Fine, call it whatever want.
Whatever you decide to call yourself (democrat, liberal, progressive)... it doesn't matter.
If you can't tell us the difference between a man and a woman, you are part of the problem.
Fine, call it whatever want.
Whatever you decide to call yourself (democrat, liberal, progressive)... it doesn't matter.
If you can't tell us the difference between a man and a woman, you are part of the problem.
Where did this even come from? :biggums:
Patrick Chewing
07-23-2023, 10:32 PM
People who are gonna do drugs that could kill them aren't gonna stop because it's illegal in case you haven't noticed. So it just ends up putting nonviolent offenders in prison. I don't see you calling for banning alcohol either so there's not even consistency here.
Right, but making all drugs legal only means more people doing drugs and ruining their lives and ruining society. So I can't see how this is a better vision for the collective. You and I were talking about Jesus the other day. You think Jesus would support drug use? You think God giving you free will means free will to destroy your body without consequence? Let's say you get your wish of anarchistic society, how well would your society function if everyone is high on whatever drug you can think of?? The world only functions on productivity. Productivity of the mind and the body and drug users are not productive at all. You want to legalize weed? Sure, I can support that. But to legalize all drugs? We'd all be zombies in no time. Unless that's what you want.
Right, but making all drugs legal only means more people doing drugs and ruining their lives and ruining society. So I can't see how this is a better vision for the collective. You and I were talking about Jesus the other day. You think Jesus would support drug use? You think God giving you free will means free will to destroy your body without consequence? Let's say you get your wish of anarchistic society, how well would your society function if everyone is high on whatever drug you can think of?? The world only functions on productivity. Productivity of the mind and the body and drug users are not productive at all. You want to legalize weed? Sure, I can support that. But to legalize all drugs? We'd all be zombies in no time. Unless that's what you want.
People still drank during prohibition, I don't think hard drug use should be encouraged, but throwing people in jail for making self-destructive decisions doesn't make much sense to me, even back when I believed in incarceration. Why would everyone be high? You think everyone wants to do drugs? :lol The types of people who would do dangerous drugs are already doing them. As for Jesus, no I don't think he would encourage the use of destructive drugs, but I don't think he would demonize people who did, he would try to help them.
Baller234
07-23-2023, 10:37 PM
Where did this even come from? :biggums:
You went on a tangent about LGBTQ+ rights and how republicans are trying to attack them or some bullshit, so I assumed you were one of those people.
You don't like it when I try and apply a label like liberal or progressive, so instead I'm describing you guys based on what you all believe.
- People who think Donald Trump is Satan.
- People who think republicans are evil for supporting him.
- People who are anti-capitalist
And yes, people who can't tell the difference between a man and a woman.
YOU are the ones looking to ruin America.
You went on a tangent about LGBTQ+ rights and how republicans are trying to attack them or some bullshit, so I assumed you were one of those people.
You don't like it when I try and apply a label like liberal or progressive, so instead I'm describing you guys based on what you all believe.
- People who think Donald Trump is Satan.
- People who think republicans are evil for supporting him.
- People who are anti-capitalist
And yes, people who can't tell the difference between a man and a woman.
YOU are the ones looking to ruin America.
1. There are worse people than Trump. DeSantis, for one, is much worse. Trump is a symptom of a problem not the cause.
2. I consider many Republicans evil for the policies and ideas they support, not necessarily for their support of individual people. Not all republicans are a lost cause, but it sure seems like most are to me. They didn't have to be, but society made them that way.
3. Very few people are anti-capitalist. What Democrats can you name who are anti-capitalist?
4. Don't care about your weird obsession with transgender people.
5. Who is "you"? Anarchists? We're a pretty small group, are you that worried about us?
Patrick Chewing
07-23-2023, 10:45 PM
People still drank during prohibition, I don't think hard drug use should be encouraged, but throwing people in jail for making self-destructive decisions doesn't make much sense to me, even back when I believed in incarceration. Why would everyone be high? You think everyone wants to do drugs? :lol The types of people who would do dangerous drugs are already doing them. As for Jesus, no I don't think he would encourage the use of destructive drugs, but I don't think he would demonize people who did, he would try to help them.
Answer me this question. You don't think that the legalization of all drugs would lead to more drug usage? And I'm in full support of helping drug users, but drug users should be demonized for destroying their lives and their families.
Answer me this question. You don't think that the legalization of all drugs would lead to more drug usage? And I'm in full support of helping drug users, but drug users should be demonized for destroying their lives and their families.
Drug use is already very rampant. Most people know it’s a bad idea to do heroin and meth regardless of legality. People who do are usually severely damaged or desperate in some way. I at least could see your logic if you were saying imprison drug dealers but drug users? Why?
Baller234
07-23-2023, 10:50 PM
1. There are worse people than Trump. DeSantis, for one, is much worse. Trump is a symptom of a problem not the cause.
2. I consider many Republicans evil for the policies and ideas they support, not necessarily for their support of individual people. Not all republicans are a lost cause, but it sure seems like most are to me. They didn't have to be, but society made them that way.
3. Very few people are anti-capitalist. What Democrats can you name who are anti-capitalist?
4. Don't care about your weird obsession with transgender people.
5. Who is "you"? Anarchists? We're a pretty small group, are you that worried about us?
1. What is a woman?
2. What is a man?
3. What is the difference?
Prove to us you aren't crazy and answer these simple questions then.
1. What is a woman?
2. What is a man?
3. What is the difference?
Prove to us you aren't crazy and answer these simple questions then.
This is truly unhinged behavior. We weren’t having a debate about that. Stay on topic.
Baller234
07-23-2023, 10:56 PM
This is truly unhinged behavior. We weren’t having a debate about that. Stay on topic.
It's relevant because it is a key issue that speaks to the derangement of people on your side of the aisle.
If we cannot even agree on what a man or a woman is, we definitely aren't going to agree on anything else.
Consider it a litmus test.
It's relevant because it is a key issue that speaks to the derangement of people on your side of the aisle.
If we cannot even agree on what a man or a woman is, we definitely aren't going to agree on anything else.
Consider it a litmus test.
It's not anymore relevant than me demanding you define what constitutes different types of clouds. You are trying to change the subject because you can't think of good replies to what I'm saying.
Patrick Chewing
07-23-2023, 11:01 PM
Drug use is already very rampant. Most people know it’s a bad idea to do heroin and meth regardless of legality. People who do are usually severely damaged or desperate in some way. I at least could see your logic if you were saying imprison drug dealers but drug users? Why?
I'm not so much concerned with the imprisonment aspect. Getting arrested for weed possession is silly. As I've said on here for years, I've been in jail and it's the worst experience ever. I think if you're a habitual user who gets arrested constantly, then something isn't working. But you also have to see how being imprisoned for a certain period of time can sober up a person. There is no easy answer to solve the drug problem, but legalizing everything certainly isn't it. You would have to look at how much does it cost to imprison a drug user versus creating more drug rehabilitation centers out there. I would assume building more halfway houses would cost more than keeping someone imprisoned.
Baller234
07-23-2023, 11:04 PM
It's not anymore relevant than me demanding you define what constitutes different types of clouds. You are trying to change the subject because you can't think of good replies to what I'm saying.
Your side is actively trying to rewrite the language and rewrite the science books. They wish to do away with female only spaces and female only sports. This is a major societal issue that if left unchecked is only going to get worse.
You're the one who brought up LGBTQ+ rights, so we're talking about them.
I'm not so much concerned with the imprisonment aspect. Getting arrested for weed possession is silly. As I've said on here for years, I've been in jail and it's the worst experience ever. I think if you're a habitual user who gets arrested constantly, then something isn't working. But you also have to see how being imprisoned for a certain period of time can sober up a person. There is no easy answer to solve the drug problem, but legalizing everything certainly isn't it. You would have to look at how much does it cost to imprison a drug user versus creating more drug rehabilitation centers out there. I would assume building more halfway houses would cost more than keeping someone imprisoned.
Prison doesn't "cure" criminals though, IIRC people who go to prison are extremely likely to go back at some point.
Your side is actively trying to rewrite the language and rewrite the science books. They wish to do away with female only spaces and female only sports. This is a major societal issue that if left unchecked is only going to get worse.
You're the one who brought up LGBTQ+ rights, so we're talking about them.
I said conservatives are anti-LGBTQ (amongst other things) as an example of why I criticize them TWO pages back. It was a very minor part of a long post and not at all the main point. Now you are attempting to get in an argument with me over what makes someone male or female when we were debating something completely different. You can keep saying "your side" all you want but I doubt you've ever talked to another anarchist so idk what you even mean. Save it for the Democrats on here.
Baller234
07-23-2023, 11:17 PM
I said conservatives are anti-LGBTQ (amongst other things) as an example of why I criticize them TWO pages back. It was a very minor part of a long post and not at all the main point. Now you are attempting to get in an argument with me over what makes someone male or female when we were debating something completely different. You can keep saying "your side" all you want but I doubt you've ever talked to another anarchist so idk what you even mean. Save it for the Democrats on here.
Modern day conservatives aren't anti-LGB though, it's mostly just the TQ+ that we take issue with.
You guys already won the culture war as far as gay acceptance goes. Nobody really cares anymore.
Modern day conservatives aren't anti-LGB though, it's mostly just the TQ+ that we take issue with.
You guys already won the culture war as far as gay acceptance goes. Nobody really cares anymore.
Conservatives are still pretty split down the middle on homosexuality, although it's definitely improved. 49% support gay marriage according to one article I found and 55% according to another. That's hardly a case of widespread acceptance, especially considering just being in favor of gay marriage doesn't mean you aren't homophobic. If you don't accept people because they're trans that's still bigotry. Transgender people aren't new you can find plenty of evidence of them existing throughout history. Why do they not deserve the same rights as other people? Because they make you uncomfortable? That logic has been used to excuse racism, sexism and homophobia.
j3lademaster
07-23-2023, 11:40 PM
1. What is a woman?
2. What is a man?
3. What is the difference?
Prove to us you aren't crazy and answer these simple questions then.
Well, theres sex and then theres gender. Sex is whatever you are naturally that, say, a dr has to have accurate for medical reasons. Gender is just a social construct. Its no different than someone who hates their first name and wants to go by their middle name instead. Refusing to oblige by someone’s preferred gender is the same as going “nah, your first name’s Dave, so Im going to keep calling you that even though you explicitly told me you prefer your middle name ‘Richard’”.
Hopefully, that wasn’t too hard to understand, but that’s the difference. A person’s sex is frankly none of your damn business(or mine), and as far as gender… just use your best judgement if you want to be rude or not.
Patrick Chewing
07-23-2023, 11:42 PM
Conservatives are still pretty split down the middle on homosexuality, although it's definitely improved. 49% support gay marriage according to one article I found and 55% according to another. That's hardly a case of widespread acceptance, especially considering just being in favor of gay marriage doesn't mean you aren't homophobic. If you don't accept people because they're trans that's still bigotry. Transgender people aren't new you can find plenty of evidence of them existing throughout history. Why do they not deserve the same rights as other people? Because they make you uncomfortable? That logic has been used to excuse racism, sexism and homophobia.
So many things to dissect here.
1. You can be accepting of homosexuality and not be accepting of gay marriage. It does not make you homophobic. I would argue that 90% of the American population nowadays does not care what sexual orientation you are. Gay people are not out there being hunted on a daily basis and none of their rights are being infringed upon. The same rights a straight person has are the same rights a gay person has as well.
2. The problem with transgenderism is that it is not a real thing. A man cannot become a woman and vice versa. The people that do not accept that delusion are not bigots or haters, they just do not agree with that delusion. They agree with the biological science that men are different than women and one cannot just decide one day that they are going to be a different sex or gender and then it just magically happens. The left just insanely goes to "bigotry" whenever someone disagrees with their stance. I mean, you can make the case that every human is bigoted towards another group of people. But in this case, just because a group of people refuse to believe that sexes and genders can be changed, it does not make them bigoted.
So many things to dissect here.
1. You can be accepting of homosexuality and not be accepting of gay marriage. It does not make you homophobic. I would argue that 90% of the American population nowadays does not care what sexual orientation you are. Gay people are not out there being hunted on a daily basis and none of their rights are being infringed upon. The same rights a straight person has are the same rights a gay person has as well.
2. The problem with transgenderism is that it is not a real thing. A man cannot become a woman and vice versa. The people that do not accept that delusion are not bigots or haters, they just do not agree with that delusion. They agree with the biological science that men are different than women and one cannot just decide one day that they are going to be a different sex or gender and then it just magically happens. The left just insanely goes to "bigotry" whenever someone disagrees with their stance. I mean, you can make the case that every human is bigoted towards another group of people. But in this case, just because a group of people refuse to believe that sexes and genders can be changed, it does not make them bigoted.
1. If you don't think gay people deserve the same rights as straight people, you are homophobic.
2. You can believe whatever you want. But so can other people. Not sure why you care so much.
Baller234
07-23-2023, 11:51 PM
Well, theres sex and then theres gender. Sex is whatever you are naturally that, say, a dr has to have accurate for medical reasons. Gender is just a social construct. Its no different than someone who hates their first name and wants to go by their middle name instead. Refusing to oblige by someone’s preferred gender is the same as going “nah, your first name’s Dave, so Im going to keep calling you that even though you explicitly told me you prefer your middle name ‘Richard’”.
Hopefully, that wasn’t too hard to understand, but that’s the difference. A person’s sex is frankly none of your damn business(or mine), and as far as gender… just use your best judgement if you want to be rude or not.
Okay, then if man and woman are just genders, what is the difference between them?
What separates a man from a woman? Be specific.
iamgine
07-23-2023, 11:53 PM
Regarding gay marriage, I think most Americans accept it nowadays. The ones that has a problem is more on the word 'marriage' and not on the idea itself.
Regarding trans, I think the problem with trans is the attempt from bad apples to use women's bathroom, get into women's sports, and influence other people's kids. Other than that, nobody cares if you're trans.
Baller234
07-23-2023, 11:53 PM
Conservatives are still pretty split down the middle on homosexuality, although it's definitely improved. 49% support gay marriage according to one article I found and 55% according to another. That's hardly a case of widespread acceptance, especially considering just being in favor of gay marriage doesn't mean you aren't homophobic. If you don't accept people because they're trans that's still bigotry. Transgender people aren't new you can find plenty of evidence of them existing throughout history. Why do they not deserve the same rights as other people? Because they make you uncomfortable? That logic has been used to excuse racism, sexism and homophobia.
Nobody is looking to strip trans people of their rights.
We simply don't want trans women to be classified as actual women in sports, in public society and under the law.
Because trans women aren't women, they are trans women.
Patrick Chewing
07-23-2023, 11:55 PM
1. If you don't think gay people deserve the same rights as straight people, you are homophobic.
2. You can believe whatever you want. But so can other people. Not sure why you care so much.
Read what I wrote carefully. I said you can be accepting of homosexuality and not accepting of gay marriage. Nowhere in what I wrote did I state or imply that gay marriage should not be a right.
I don't care what people think or do, but I do care when an entire group of people label us as bigots and demonize us for not buying into the delusion.
SATAN
07-23-2023, 11:55 PM
As I've said on here for years, I've been in jail and it's the worst experience ever.
We will never forget the brutal raping of Poopsie in the Trump threads
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Nobody is looking to strip trans people of their rights.
We simply don't want trans women to be classified as actual women in sports, in public society and under the law.
Because trans women aren't women, they are trans women.
Sports are games, they shouldn't be something you're taking this seriously. "Classified as women in public society and under the law" means what exactly? If someone calls a trans woman "she" and they list "female" on a trans woman's drivers license, that hurts society how?
Read what I wrote carefully. I said you can be accepting of homosexuality and not accepting of gay marriage. Nowhere in what I wrote did I state or imply that gay marriage should not be a right.
I don't care what people think or do, but I do care when an entire group of people label us as bigots and demonize us for not buying into the delusion.
People call you a bigot because you say bigoted things, dawg.
Baller234
07-24-2023, 12:05 AM
Sports are games, they shouldn't be something you're taking this seriously. "Classified as women in public society and under the law" means what exactly? If someone calls a trans woman "she" and they list "female" on a trans woman's drivers license, that hurts society how?
So then just say you don't think females are entitled to compete in sports then, or that females shouldn't be entitled to have female only spaces.
Serena Williams is a celebrated champion because she competes against other females. If she had to compete against males her whole career, you wouldn't even know who she is because she wouldn't have been able to compete.
Why are you trying to erase female sports? Sounds kind of bigoted to me.
What do you have against females?
So then just say you don't think females are entitled to compete in sports then, or that females shouldn't be entitled to have female only spaces.
Serena Williams is a celebrated champion because she competes against other females. If she had to compete against males her whole career, you wouldn't even know who she is because she wouldn't have been able to compete.
Why are you trying to erase female sports? Sounds kind of bigoted to me.
What do you have against females?
You’re putting a lot of words in my mouth and arguing with strawmen. Your point is also dumb because trans women are given drugs that increase estrogen and decrease testosterone so any physical advantage they would have is nullified.
SATAN
07-24-2023, 12:13 AM
Hey RRR3, why did you let these clowns deflect away from the actual topic? You know how they operate.
Hey RRR3, why did you let these clowns deflect away from the actual topic? You know how they operate.
It’s just evidence they can’t defend DeSantis :lol
Baller234
07-24-2023, 12:20 AM
You’re putting a lot of words in my mouth and arguing with strawmen. Your point is also dumb because trans women are given drugs that increase estrogen and decrease testosterone so any physical advantage they would have is nullified.
You didn't say it outright, but it's what you implied.
"Sports is just a game" you said. It's not important you said. Okay, well if that's the case, then that means you don't think it's important to preserve women's sports I guess.
Stand by what you said. Either you condone men competing against women or you don't. You can't have it both ways.
And LOLOLOL at their physical advantages being nullified.
https://scpr.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/7e376c6/2147483647/strip/true/crop/534x329+18+0/resize/880x542!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fa.scpr.org%2F57094_0d68e80c1923 1d980c2c367ca3bdd2e2_original.jpg
https://www.allsides.com/sites/default/files/FOIOOJxXMAwaqM_.jpg
Like I said, you guys have lost your fu*king minds.
:oldlol:
You didn't say it outright, but it's what you implied.
"Sports is just a game" you said. It's not important you said. Okay, well if that's the case, then that means you don't think it's important to preserve women's sports I guess.
Stand by what you said. Either you condone men competing against women or you don't. You can't have it both ways.
And LOLOLOL at their physical advantages being nullified.
https://scpr.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/7e376c6/2147483647/strip/true/crop/534x329+18+0/resize/880x542!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fa.scpr.org%2F57094_0d68e80c1923 1d980c2c367ca3bdd2e2_original.jpg
https://www.allsides.com/sites/default/files/FOIOOJxXMAwaqM_.jpg
Like I said, you guys have lost your fu*king minds.
:oldlol:
You guys are the ones who want to ban gender affirming healthcare, so ironic to complain about trans women who are still more masculine because they didn’t have access to that care.
Baller234
07-24-2023, 12:23 AM
Hey RRR3, why did you let these clowns deflect away from the actual topic? You know how they operate.
This is the most important topic there is.
This proves that you guys deny common logic for the sole purpose of not having to agree with the "evil" republicans.
If you can't admit what a man or a woman is, we have major problems. Far more dangerous than anything else going on. This is a sign of society gone mad.
Baller234
07-24-2023, 12:24 AM
You guys are the ones who want to ban gender affirming healthcare, so ironic to complain about trans women who are still more masculine because they didn’t have access to that care.
What is a man?
What is a woman?
Until you can actually answer these questions, you really shouldn't even weigh in.
This is the most important topic there is.
This proves that you guys deny common logic for the sole purpose of not having to agree with the "evil" republicans.
If you can't admit what a man or a woman is, we have major problems. Far more dangerous than anything else going on. This is a sign of society gone mad.
Pretty sure climate change is a more important topic than your crusade against trans people.
What is a man?
What is a woman?
Until you can actually answer these questions, you really shouldn't even weigh in.
Deflection because you can’t respond to what I said.
Baller234
07-24-2023, 12:26 AM
Deflection because you can’t respond to what I said.
We can't have a discussion about gender affirming care if you can't even explain what the genders are.
SATAN
07-24-2023, 12:29 AM
This is the most important topic there is.
This proves that you guys deny common logic for the sole purpose of not having to agree with the "evil" republicans.
If you can't admit what a man or a woman is, we have major problems. Far more dangerous than anything else going on. This is a sign of society gone mad.
I never commented on that actually. Control your emotions.
SATAN
07-24-2023, 12:30 AM
Pretty sure climate change is a more important topic than your crusade against trans people.
Hahaha
We can't have a discussion about gender affirming care if you can't even explain what the genders are.
The discussion was on transgender athletes in women’s sports. Gender affirming care refers to giving puberty blockers to young people who are transgender. Once they are adults they will get surgery and other medication as well. All this will remove any physical advantages. You know this but are being obtuse on purpose to try and hide the fact that I destroyed your argument. You should be supporting gender affirming care if you’re worried about trans people having unfair physical advantages in women’s sports.
Baller234
07-24-2023, 12:41 AM
The discussion was on transgender athletes in women’s sports. Gender affirming care refers to giving puberty blockers to young people who are transgender. Once they are adults they will get surgery and other medication as well. All this will remove any physical advantages. You know this but are being obtuse on purpose to try and hide the fact that I destroyed your argument. You should be supporting gender affirming care if you’re worried about trans people having unfair physical advantages in women’s sports.
"Puberty blockers"
I have never heard of something so sick. Listen to yourselves.
You can't even state what a man or a woman is yet you wish to deny a child their god-given right to experience healthy and natural human development.
You're all in a cult.
Patrick Chewing
07-24-2023, 12:46 AM
"Puberty blockers"
I have never heard of something so sick. Listen to yourselves.
You can't even state what a man or a woman is yet you wish to deny a child their god-given right to experience healthy and natural human development.
You're all in a cult.
You'll just go in circles with these two clowns. Time to ignore them and just walk away. Just thank God there aren't a lot of him around. They are in a cult.
"Puberty blockers"
I have never heard of something so sick. Listen to yourselves.
You can't even state what a man or a woman is yet you wish to deny a child their god-given right to experience healthy and natural human development.
You're all in a cult.
You can’t whine about trans women having an unfair advantage and then complain about steps being taken to eliminate those advantages. Puberty blockers are approved by medical doctors, they know a lot more than you do.
You'll just go in circles with these two clowns. Time to ignore them and just walk away. Just thank God there aren't a lot of him around. They are in a cult.
Still with the insults and trolling even though I’ve been civil the whole discussion. And then you whine when I troll and insult you. Truly amazing stuff.
You’ve earned yourself a parody account. Note I’m even telling you I’m making it (but Hurr Durr I have secret alts)
Patrick Chewing
07-24-2023, 12:52 AM
Still with the insults and trolling even though I’ve been civil the whole discussion. And then you whine when I troll and insult you. Truly amazing stuff.
You’ve earned yourself a parody account. Note I’m even telling you I’m making it (but Hurr Durr I have secret alts)
Sorry pal, you enter the clown realm when you give credence to anything "Trans". We can agree to disagree on the drugs and our Capitalist vs Anarchistic societies, but this Tranny shit is too much.
Baller234
07-24-2023, 12:54 AM
You can’t whine about trans women having an unfair advantage and then complain about steps being taken to eliminate those advantages. Puberty blockers are approved by medical doctors, they know a lot more than you do.
Those medical doctors make a lot of money to perform these transitions, and so do the pharma companies selling the drugs.
Plenty of "medical doctors" don't agree, and entire European countries have already reversed course. UK, France, Sweden... none of them are doing this anymore. Ultimately they concluded that children at a very young age don't have the wisdom or the insight to make these types of decisions, and couldn't differentiate between it being gender dysphoria or just a typical adolescent phase.
And these drugs definitely DO NOT eliminate physical advantages. A male is a still a male. They still have different bone structures and different skeletons.
https://www.daviddarling.info/images3/differences_between_male_and_female_skeleton.jpg
Nothing you can do is going to allow females to compete on an even playing field with males.
You are repeating something so absurd and ridiculous yet you can't even see it. Are you truly accepting this ideology or are you submitting to this ideology?
Because from the outside looking in, this is common sense stuff. You guys sound fu*king crazy.
Those medical doctors make a lot of money to perform these transitions, and so do the pharma companies selling the drugs.
Plenty of "medical doctors" don't agree, and entire European countries have already reversed course. UK, France, Sweden... none of them are doing this anymore. Ultimately they concluded that children at a very young age don't have the wisdom or the insight to make these types of decisions, and couldn't differentiate between it being gender dysphoria or just a typical adolescent phase.
And these drugs definitely DO NOT eliminate physical advantages. A male is a still a male. They still have different bone structures and different skeletons.
https://www.daviddarling.info/images3/differences_between_male_and_female_skeleton.jpg
Nothing you can do is going to allow females to compete on an even playing field with males.
You are repeating something so absurd and ridiculous yet you can't even see it. Are you truly accepting this ideology or are you submitting to this ideology?
Because from the outside looking in, this is common sense stuff. You guys sound fu*king crazy.
Puberty blockers are reversible. If it’s just a phase they will get over it and not transition fully.
SATAN
07-24-2023, 01:06 AM
You'll just go in circles with these two clowns. Time to ignore them and just walk away. Just thank God there aren't a lot of him around. They are in a cult.
You're an idiot.
Baller234
07-24-2023, 01:08 AM
Puberty blockers are reversible. If it’s just a phase they will get over it and not transition fully.
Puberty isn't something you can just turn on and off like a light switch. Lol.
There are all sorts of nightmare stories out there dude. People who are trying to de-transition and are fu*ked for life.
Baller234
07-24-2023, 01:13 AM
Still with the insults and trolling even though I’ve been civil the whole discussion. And then you whine when I troll and insult you. Truly amazing stuff.
You’ve earned yourself a parody account. Note I’m even telling you I’m making it (but Hurr Durr I have secret alts)
He's right though, you guys are in a cult. It's the cult of anti-Trump and the cult of anti-MAGA.
You are so thoroughly convinced that the other side is wrong, so convinced that they are "backwards"... that it informs your entire worldview. You don't even have to look into an issue. You simply see how the other side feels about it and then you take the opposite stance.
If the MAGA people aren't into the trans stuff, then by default you must take the opposite side. No matter how ridiculous it is.
If Tucker Carlson told you that water was wet and that the sky was blue, you would probably second guess that too. Your entire viewpoint is molded by your hatred of republicans.
Puberty isn't something you can just turn on and off like a light switch. Lol.
There are all sorts of nightmare stories out there dude. People who are trying to de-transition and are fu*ked for life.
Studies have shown they are reversible. You can find this info on wikipedia even. Those stories are about people who fully transitioned, not people who took puberty blockers. And they are tragic, but also very rare. I'm not saying it's good that those things happen, but those adults made the decision to get an operation, and have to live with the results.
He's right though, you guys are in a cult. It's the cult of anti-Trump and the cult of anti-MAGA.
You are so thoroughly convinced that the other side is wrong, so convinced that they are "backwards"... that it informs your entire worldview. You don't even have to look into an issue. You simply see how the other side feels about it and then you take the opposite stance.
If the MAGA people aren't into the trans stuff, then by default you must take the opposite side. No matter how ridiculous it is.
If Tucker Carlson told you that water was wet and that the sky was blue, you would probably second guess that too. Your entire viewpoint is molded by your hatred of republicans.
If this were true, I wouldn't be pro-gun. You just copy and paste stuff you usually write to liberals and think it applies to me.
Baller234
07-24-2023, 01:17 AM
If this were true, I wouldn't be pro-gun. You just copy and paste stuff you usually write to liberals and think it applies to me.
Okay you may not be a liberal as you claim, but you still have this very weird hang up about republicans.
Otherwise there would be no reason to pretend NOT to know what a man or a woman is.
Patrick Chewing
07-24-2023, 01:23 AM
I have echoed that on here about a few posters. Whatever the issue is, if a Republican has a stance on it, there are posters that no matter what, without even thinking about it for a second, will take the opposite stance. I can admit to having common ground with certain Liberals, that's why I like Libs like Tulsi Gabbard and RFK Jr. But the Left? You cannot find one Liberal out there and certainly not on this board that will have the same stance on an issue as a Republican. When you cannot even agree on a single thing with someone on the opposite end of you of the political spectrum, then you know you're in a cult.
Libs went full on Nazi to RFK Jr. on Capitol Hill the other day just because Conservatives agree with his opinions on the vaccine and freedom of speech. The Left went apeshit on a Kennedy of all people.
Okay you may not be a liberal as you claim, but you still have this very weird hang up about republicans.
Otherwise there would be no reason to pretend NOT to know what a man or a woman is.
I don't like republicans. Has nothing to do with being a liberal. You guys aren't exactly popular with anyone on the left.
SATAN
07-24-2023, 01:29 AM
Okay you may not be a liberal as you claim, but you still have this very weird hang up about republicans.
So many of them are pieces of shit is probably the reason. Always crying about something and saying hypocritical and/or ignorant garbage. Always looking for a reason to be negative and complain about something. Usually greedy as **** and morally bankrupt. Exhibiting the polar opposite of what they claim are their moral teachings.
Probably.
I have echoed that on here about a few posters. Whatever the issue is, if a Republican has a stance on it, there are posters that no matter what, without even thinking about it for a second, will take the opposite stance. I can admit to having common ground with certain Liberals, that's why I like Libs like Tulsi Gabbard and RFK Jr. But the Left? You cannot find one Liberal out there and certainly not on this board that will have the same stance on an issue as a Republican. When you cannot even agree on a single thing with someone on the opposite end of you of the political spectrum, then you know you're in a cult.
Libs went full on Nazi to RFK Jr. on Capitol Hill the other day just because Conservatives agree with his opinions on the vaccine and freedom of speech. The Left went apeshit on a Kennedy of all people.
Which liberals on here? Off the top of my head, Bladefd, imdaman99, eliteballer, Off the Court, Satan, Lakers Legend #32, Shawkfactory, Kblaze, Real Men Wear Green and Facepalm are the only people who have made it clear they are liberals. And as far as I can tell, every single one of them would agree with Republicans that capitalism is the economic system they would like to have. So no they don't disagree with Republicans on everything.
Baller234
07-24-2023, 01:37 AM
So many of them are pieces of shit is probably the reason. Always crying about something and saying hypocritical and/or ignorant garbage. Always looking for a reason to be negative and complain about something. Usually greedy as **** and morally bankrupt. Exhibiting the polar opposite of what they claim are their moral teachings.
Probably.
Or maybe you've just undergone too much woke brainwashing.
I mean if you can't even differentiate between man and woman, whose to say you can differentiate between right and wrong? How do we know your entire worldview isn't upside down?
Baller234
07-24-2023, 01:41 AM
Which liberals on here? Off the top of my head, Bladefd, Off the Court, Satan, Lakers Legend #32, Shawkfactory, Kblaze, Real Men Wear Green and Facepalm are the only people who have made it clear they are liberals. And as far as I can tell, every single one of them would agree with Republicans that capitalism is the economic system they would like to have. So no they don't disagree with Republicans on everything.
Fair enough. That's a plus I suppose. I'm a new member after all, I've only started interacting with you guys these last few weeks or so.
But like I said, the trans stuff still serves as an insightful litmus test. That to me is the ultimate sign of someone's woke credentials.
Usually if someone is the type of person to believe in 100 genders, they believe in all the other stupid shit too.
MrFonzworth
07-24-2023, 01:46 AM
I'm a new member after all
Sure you are guy:yaohappy:
Sure you are guy:yaohappy:
Can’t be fatrick or jstern, not clever enough to change their posting style. Long Duck Dong perhaps?
SATAN
07-24-2023, 02:00 AM
Or maybe you've just undergone too much woke brainwashing.
I mean if you can't even differentiate between man and woman, whose to say you can differentiate between right and wrong? How do we know your entire worldview isn't upside down?
Nope. Like I said, I've never even commented on this stuff. And you think it's ME that's brainwashed? :oldlol:
Thanks for proving my point.
SATAN
07-24-2023, 02:02 AM
Which liberals on here? Off the top of my head, Bladefd, imdaman99, eliteballer, Off the Court, Satan, Lakers Legend #32, Shawkfactory, Kblaze, Real Men Wear Green and Facepalm are the only people who have made it clear they are liberals. And as far as I can tell, every single one of them would agree with Republicans that capitalism is the economic system they would like to have. So no they don't disagree with Republicans on everything.
What? Because I don't like assholes?
When have I talked about capitalism?
Baller234
07-24-2023, 10:52 AM
Nope. Like I said, I've never even commented on this stuff. And you think it's ME that's brainwashed? :oldlol:
Thanks for proving my point.
Yea, you are.
When Desantis says he wants to keep TQ+ out of schools, you don't realize how crazy you sound when you come out against it. Most people don't want that stuff taught to their kids and they definitely don't want it in schools.
Only someone totally caught up in the cult would interpret this as some type of evil and bigoted scheme to harass trans people. Because that's what they need and want you to think.
What? Because I don't like assholes?
When have I talked about capitalism?
Idk I’ve never seen you give any indication you’re anti-capitalist. Most people aren’t even if they oppose conservatism.
Patrick Chewing
07-24-2023, 11:42 AM
Or maybe you've just undergone too much woke brainwashing.
I mean if you can't even differentiate between man and woman, whose to say you can differentiate between right and wrong? How do we know your entire worldview isn't upside down?
He did choose "Satan" as his username.
SATAN
07-24-2023, 11:46 AM
Yea, you are.
Stopped reading there. Thanks for proving my point again.
Baller234
07-24-2023, 11:59 AM
Stopped reading there. Thanks for proving my point again.
Of course, you don't want to listen.
This is why so many people just see Ron as a normal guy, and why you think he is the devil himself.
Of course, you don't want to listen.
This is why so many people just see Ron as a normal guy, and why you think he is the devil himself.
If “so many people” saw Ron as a normal guy he wouldn’t be getting destroyed by Trump.
Baller234
07-24-2023, 12:09 PM
If “so many people” saw Ron as a normal guy he wouldn’t be getting destroyed by Trump.
I wouldn't count him out until after there's been a few debates. We're in the regular season now, these polls don't really mean anything.
A lot of people on team red still feel obligated to support Trump, but they still like Desantis too. Trust me if Trump couldn't run for whatever reason, he would have the same level of support.
Only woke weirdos think he is Hitler.
Long Duck Dong
07-24-2023, 12:20 PM
The internet sleuths have had quite a while to verify if this was rt'd from a Desantis staffer or not. Where's the screenshot? Which staffer was it? Any proof at all of this actually happening other than on the word of a university student hired to promote the Biden campaign on social media?
Can’t be fatrick or jstern, not clever enough to change their posting style. Long Duck Dong perhaps?
I'm already all up in this thread. Why on earth would I need to create an alt to chime in? Besides that guy obviously has a LOT more time on his hands than I do.:lol I like to check in here periodically throughout the day and night as a much needed brief distraction from work.
I wouldn't count him out until after there's been a few debates. We're in the regular season now, these polls don't really mean anything.
A lot of people on team red still feel obligated to support Trump, but they still like Desantis too. Trust me if Trump couldn't run for whatever reason, he would have the same level of support.
Only woke weirdos think he is Hitler.
Idk considering he has literal Nazis supporting him I’d say it’s pretty reasonable to think he’s like that too
Baller234
07-24-2023, 12:34 PM
Idk considering he has literal Nazis supporting him I’d say it’s pretty reasonable to think he’s like that too
Right, and Jussie Smollet was attacked by two MAGA guys at 3am with rope and bleach.
Right, and Jussie Smollet was attacked by two MAGA guys at 3am with rope and bleach.
There are pictures of Nazis supporting DeSantis. Were there pictures of Smollett? You act like I’m basing this on hearsay and not actual photo evidence.
Baller234
07-24-2023, 12:40 PM
There are pictures of Nazis supporting DeSantis. Were there pictures of Smollett? You act like I’m basing this on hearsay and not actual photo evidence.
A picture doesn't prove anything.
There are plenty of documented incidents of lefties infiltrating right wing spaces and pretending to be nazis. They know you guys are defenseless against the "Look! A nazi flag!" technique.
ArbitraryWater
07-24-2023, 12:41 PM
https://twitter.com/populismupdates/status/1683157829224632321?s=46&t=03VMWS49WBcQFjNGjqNl6Q
Campaign retweeted this video (now deleted). Accuses Trump of being too left wing and features a literal Nazi symbol at the end. Desantis is undeniably a fascist.
How are you this dumb dude?
There is no way you even believe this stuff yourself.
Its so funny how all the news about the rights scandals are absolute pety shit, non-news.
But when the left operates corrupt on a major scale, its crickets.
A picture doesn't prove anything.
There are plenty of documented incidents of lefties infiltrating right wing spaces and pretending to be nazis. They know you guys are defenseless against the "Look! A nazi flag!" technique.
Plenty of “documented evidence” from breitbart sure. Then again you were downplaying the Desantis campaign retweeting nazi symbol videos so obviously deep down you know Nazis are on your side and are ashamed to admit it.
How are you this dumb dude?
There is no way you even believe this stuff yourself.
Its so funny how all the news about the rights scandals are absolute pety shit, non-news.
But when the left operates corrupt on a major scale, its crickets.
You support AFD, opinion discarded.
ArbitraryWater
07-24-2023, 12:45 PM
You support AFD, opinion discarded.
< straight out the liberal playbook
Thats basically what your entire ideology boils down to
being able to disregard opinions by labeling/identity politics
bladefd
07-24-2023, 12:46 PM
Which liberals on here? Off the top of my head, Bladefd, imdaman99, eliteballer, Off the Court, Satan, Lakers Legend #32, Shawkfactory, Kblaze, Real Men Wear Green and Facepalm are the only people who have made it clear they are liberals. And as far as I can tell, every single one of them would agree with Republicans that capitalism is the economic system they would like to have. So no they don't disagree with Republicans on everything.
Well, I do think capitalism needs some controls on it so it doesn't become runaway capitalism like it is right now. We have runaway capitalism that needs to be reined in a bit to the way it was a couple decades ago. We also need universal health care.
< straight out the liberal playbook
Thats basically what your entire ideology boils down to
being able to disregard opinions by labeling/identity politics
You support the rebranded German Nazi party I don’t care what you think.
Baller234
07-24-2023, 12:54 PM
Plenty of “documented evidence” from breitbart sure. Then again you were downplaying the Desantis campaign retweeting nazi symbol videos so obviously deep down you know Nazis are on your side and are ashamed to admit it.
They know you guys are ideologically captured, and they know they don't have to work hard to divert your attention.
Theoretically if the establishment were to feel threatened by a certain individual, all they would have to do is hire some random joe to attend a protest and take a picture of himself holding up a nazi flag. OR... just call them a racist. It triggers something inside your brains like zombies.
Notice these people are rarely doing it in large crowds full of actual Desantis supporters because they would probably get beat up or told to leave. These types of fake infiltrations happen all the time, here's one that happened last month:
https://twitter.com/zenoc_oshits/status/1673168866367741952
I can pull up other examples too. You are crazy and delusional if you think an actual nazi would be welcome at a Trump or Desantis rally.
They know you guys are ideologically captured, and they know they don't have to work hard to divert your attention.
Theoretically if the establishment were to feel threatened by a certain individual, all they would have to do is hire some random joe to attend a protest and take a picture of himself holding up a nazi flag. OR... just call them a racist. It triggers something inside your brains like zombies.
Notice these people are rarely doing it in large crowds full of actual Desantis supporters because they would probably get beat up or told to leave. These types of fake infiltrations happen all the time, here's one that happened last month:
https://twitter.com/zenoc_oshits/status/1673168866367741952
I can pull up other examples too. You are crazy and delusional if you think an actual nazi would be welcome at a Trump or Desantis rally.
Your “evidence” is a Twitter term search. Absolutely laughable :yaohappy:
Baller234
07-24-2023, 01:09 PM
Your “evidence” is a Twitter term search. Absolutely laughable :yaohappy:
It links to a video, moron.
Masked "nazis" were present at a right wing rally but got BTFO'd and unmasked, causing them to cover their faces and run away. Turns out they worked for the government.
But sure, this isn't really happening. Keep your head in the sand if you want, clearly you take comfort there.
It links to a video, moron.
Masked "nazis" were present at a right wing rally but got BTFO'd and unmasked, causing them to cover their faces and run away. Turns out they worked for the government.
But sure, this isn't really happening. Keep your head in the sand if you want, clearly you take comfort there.
Feds are targeting Desantis is your story now? The man’s a big a corporate stooge as they come.
tpols
07-24-2023, 01:19 PM
Is every 3rd word this dude types about nazis? Youre obsessed with that shit. Most of us here don't even think about it.
Sorry pal, you enter the clown realm when you give credence to anything "Trans". We can agree to disagree on the drugs and our Capitalist vs Anarchistic societies, but this Tranny shit is too much.
:roll:
Look at little Tpols fume. Shouldn’t you be gargling 3balls ****?
Long Duck Dong
07-24-2023, 01:28 PM
So 11 pages later.....is there any proof that this was retweeted by the Desantis campaign?
Baller234
07-24-2023, 01:30 PM
Feds are targeting Desantis is your story now? The man’s a big a corporate stooge as they come.
I'm saying it's common for government and left wing agitators to infiltrate right wing spaces and pretend to be a nazi.
tpols
07-24-2023, 01:34 PM
Look at little Tpols fume. Shouldn’t you be gargling 3balls ****?
Bro I'm chilling. :lol
You otoh seem furious and obsessive to the max my friend.
Long Duck Dong
07-24-2023, 01:46 PM
Funny that OP says he has no love for Biden, or bias towards Democrats, but went all in on this topic based solely on the word of a guy who's job is to promote the Biden campaign on social media
Patrick Chewing
07-24-2023, 07:06 PM
Bro I'm chilling. :lol
You otoh seem furious and obsessive to the max my friend.
That little nugget RRR3 is furious. Between the two or three topics at the top of this page, he's been posting in them non-stop for the last 24 hours trying to defend his ludicrous and insane positions. And if you point out how stupid he looks, he calls you a Nazi. The guy is a f'n lunatic.
Patrick Chewing
07-24-2023, 07:09 PM
There are pictures of Nazis supporting DeSantis. Were there pictures of Smollett? You act like I’m basing this on hearsay and not actual photo evidence.
A Nazi supporting DeSantis doesn't mean jack shit.
But a President holding the hand of a KKK grand wizard on the other hand....
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fvie38vXoAEfwch.jpg
A Nazi supporting DeSantis doesn't mean jack shit.
But a President holding the hand of a KKK grand wizard on the other hand....
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fvie38vXoAEfwch.jpg
Yeah Biden is racist too. You really thought you had something there like I care about Biden.
Patrick Chewing
07-24-2023, 08:47 PM
Yeah Biden is racist too. You really thought you had something there like I care about Biden.
The problem is you never talk about Biden or the Democrats until we point out that you never talk about Biden and the Democrats! :oldlol:
SATAN
07-24-2023, 09:57 PM
Of course, you don't want to listen.
This is why so many people just see Ron as a normal guy, and why you think he is the devil himself.
Funny how a new poster knows the thoughts of everyone here.
Post on your other account or shut the **** up.
SATAN
07-24-2023, 10:02 PM
I'm saying it's common for government and left wing agitators to infiltrate right wing spaces and pretend to be a nazi.
This doesn't go both ways at all!
These mouth breathing retards are are a laughing stock. :oldlol:
Baller234
07-24-2023, 10:25 PM
This doesn't go both ways at all!
These mouth breathing retards are are a laughing stock. :oldlol:
We don't have to infiltrate left wing rallies in an attempt to make them look bad. There are already enough purple haired weirdos and mentally confused individuals to laugh at and make fun of.
Baller234
07-24-2023, 10:31 PM
Funny how a new poster knows the thoughts of everyone here.
Post on your other account or shut the **** up.
I think it's hilarious that you guys are so convinced I am another user's alt. Why TF would another user create an alt that posts exactly like them? Lol.
Turns out that not everyone is a woke weirdo who thinks Donald Trump is Satan. Who would have thought.
But by all means, you are free to play internet sleuth and try to crack the case. Let us know what you find.
SATAN
07-24-2023, 10:54 PM
We don't have to infiltrate left wing rallies in an attempt to make them look bad. There are already enough purple haired weirdos and mentally confused individuals to laugh at and make fun of.
Interesting. Wonder who this could be.
Sad. :facepalm
SATAN
07-24-2023, 10:55 PM
I think it's hilarious that you guys are so convinced I am another user's alt. Why TF would another user create an alt that posts exactly like them? Lol.
Turns out that not everyone is a woke weirdo who thinks Donald Trump is Satan. Who would have thought.
But by all means, you are free to play internet sleuth and try to crack the case. Let us know what you find.
I'm onto the case, mark my words.
Patrick Chewing
07-24-2023, 10:59 PM
I'm onto the case, mark my words.
Don't hurt the only two brain cells you have left. :oldlol:
Baller234
07-24-2023, 11:04 PM
I'm onto the case, mark my words.
Go ahead.
If you can link me to another user here, I will give you a cookie.
Baller234
07-24-2023, 11:11 PM
Don't hurt the only two brain cells you have left. :oldlol:
It really is the weirdest fu*king thing. Like why are they so committed to this?
"I don't like this user! He must be an alt!"
The fact that their brain even jumps to this in the first place is strange as hell, as if proving I am an alt invalidates my argument somehow.
This is like peak autism.
The problem is you never talk about Biden or the Democrats until we point out that you never talk about Biden and the Democrats! :oldlol:
I shit on Biden and democrats plenty on my Twitter because my friends there are other leftists and it’s a public global forum. On this board there’s only liberals and you lunatics. You guys are the greater evil by far so you get the trolling.
Patrick Chewing
07-24-2023, 11:15 PM
It really is the weirdest fu*king thing. Like why are they so committed to this?
"I don't like this user! He must be an alt!"
The fact that their brain even jumps to this in the first place is strange as hell, as if proving I am an alt invalidates my argument somehow.
This is like peak autism.
Peak autism or peak mental retardation. I think the latter is definitely possible after these last couple of days of entering RRR3's mind and the people that like him.
Peak autism or peak mental retardation. I think the latter is definitely possible after these last couple of days of entering RRR3's mind and the people that like him.
The irony when you constantly accuse people you don’t like of having alts.
Patrick Chewing
07-24-2023, 11:17 PM
I shit on Biden and democrats plenty on my Twitter because my friends there are other leftists and it’s a public global forum. On this board there’s only liberals and you lunatics. You guys are the greater evil by far so you get the trolling.
Ohhhh you don't do it here, but you do it on Twitter. Yeah right. :roll:
Just fess up. Your political ideology aligns more with the Radical Left. The Radical Left is Antifa and ACAB and Defund the Police and you know damn well you support all of that nonsense.
You still haven't even explained why the Right is evil. Just another empty accusation out there.
Ohhhh you don't do it here, but you do it on Twitter. Yeah right. :roll:
Just fess up. Your political ideology aligns more with the Radical Left. The Radical Left is Antifa and ACAB and Defund the Police and you know damn well you support all of that nonsense.
You still haven't even explained why the Right is evil. Just another empty accusation out there.
When have I not claimed to be a radical leftist? :hammerhead: That’s exactly what I am. The point is Biden isn’t. Man’s as neoliberal as they come. I get that that’s still too left for you but he’s not a left winger by any reasonable standard. I recently read he has granted more oil and gas drilling permits than Trump in his first 2 years in office, what kind of leftist does that?
SATAN
07-24-2023, 11:26 PM
It really is the weirdest fu*king thing. Like why are they so committed to this?
"I don't like this user! He must be an alt!"
The fact that their brain even jumps to this in the first place is strange as hell, as if proving I am an alt invalidates my argument somehow.
This is like peak autism.
You're an alt.
Patrick Chewing
07-24-2023, 11:29 PM
Ahhhh and the truth is revealed. This is how RRR3 gets away with not criticizing the Left. The Left has become radicalized. The Radical Left is the Left. There are no Classical Liberals left within that Party. We've all seen what happened to RFK Jr., Kirsten Sinema, Tulsi Gabbard, Joe Manchin, Bill Maher, Tim Pool, etc. They stepped out of line and have been blasted by their Party. So of course RRR3 wouldn't dare criticize them because that Party has become what he believes in. So yeah, you criticizing the Left on Twitter is a flat out lie.
SATAN
07-24-2023, 11:31 PM
That doesn't make much sense tbh.
BurningHammer
07-25-2023, 12:02 AM
Ahhhh and the truth is revealed. This is how RRR3 gets away with not criticizing the Left. The Left has become radicalized. The Radical Left is the Left. There are no Classical Liberals left within that Party. We've all seen what happened to RFK Jr., Kirsten Sinema, Tulsi Gabbard, Joe Manchin, Bill Maher, Tim Pool, etc. They stepped out of line and have been blasted by their Party. So of course RRR3 wouldn't dare criticize them because that Party has become what he believes in. So yeah, you criticizing the Left on Twitter is a flat out lie.
That's a lot of "left"s in one post. :eek:
Ahhhh and the truth is revealed. This is how RRR3 gets away with not criticizing the Left. The Left has become radicalized. The Radical Left is the Left. There are no Classical Liberals left within that Party. We've all seen what happened to RFK Jr., Kirsten Sinema, Tulsi Gabbard, Joe Manchin, Bill Maher, Tim Pool, etc. They stepped out of line and have been blasted by their Party. So of course RRR3 wouldn't dare criticize them because that Party has become what he believes in. So yeah, you criticizing the Left on Twitter is a flat out lie.
I don’t think Bill Maher or Manchin are much different than Biden, so weird examples. The Democratic Party believes in anarchy? Since when?
BurningHammer
07-25-2023, 07:10 PM
https://twitter.com/dajosc11/status/1683914449986416640
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
Baller234
07-25-2023, 08:17 PM
https://twitter.com/dajosc11/status/1683914449986416640
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
Oh wow.
Are they seriously unable to differentiate between a wrestling show and a drag show? And why one might be a lot more inappropriate for small children?
Gotta wonder what's on that dude's hard drive.
SATAN
07-25-2023, 09:06 PM
I don’t think Bill Maher or Manchin are much different than Biden, so weird examples. The Democratic Party believes in anarchy? Since when?
Chewing lying as per usual.
Baller234
07-25-2023, 09:30 PM
I don’t think Bill Maher or Manchin are much different than Biden, so weird examples. The Democratic Party believes in anarchy? Since when?
I seem to recall the mayor of Seattle surrendering several city blocks to a group of anarchists and criminals during the summer of 2020, declaring it an autonomous zone beyond the purview of law enforcement.
https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/52142be8f321ef39d21d5d6c3d104a78
I also vividly remember the response from the democratic party as whole while it was happening in real time:
https://media.tenor.com/FDwYMy302gMAAAAC/tumbleweed-silence.gif
JohnnySic
07-25-2023, 09:36 PM
Ahhhh and the truth is revealed. This is how RRR3 gets away with not criticizing the Left. The Left has become radicalized. The Radical Left is the Left. There are no Classical Liberals left within that Party. We've all seen what happened to RFK Jr., Kirsten Sinema, Tulsi Gabbard, Joe Manchin, Bill Maher, Tim Pool, etc. They stepped out of line and have been blasted by their Party. So of course RRR3 wouldn't dare criticize them because that Party has become what he believes in. So yeah, you criticizing the Left on Twitter is a flat out lie.
Classical Liberalism is dead. If you're not a pandering woke fruitcake, they will crucify you.
ArbitraryWater
07-26-2023, 07:45 AM
So 11 pages later.....is there any proof that this was retweeted by the Desantis campaign?
This, too btw.
So far Ive just seen this "Populist" twitter page say it, but there isnt even a screenshot :lol
OP went straight into "NAZI" mode
BurningHammer
07-26-2023, 09:01 AM
So 11 pages later.....is there any proof that this was retweeted by the Desantis campaign?
Good amount of posts in this thread are about genders instead of Desantis. Nice detour right there :roll:
Baller234
07-26-2023, 10:24 AM
Good amount of posts in this thread are about genders instead of Desantis. Nice detour right there :roll:
How is it a detour? Desantis's policies on gender is one of the biggest reasons he's being attacked by the left. It's a noteworthy discussion.
I suppose you would much rather prefer 11 pages of everyone calling him Ron DeHitler and holding hands in a woke circle jerk.
Long Duck Dong
07-26-2023, 10:53 AM
This, too btw.
So far Ive just seen this "Populist" twitter page say it, but there isnt even a screenshot :lol
OP went straight into "NAZI" mode
Well it ended up being true. Desantis fired the staffer. He apparently not only retweeted it, he helped put the clip together. There was very little proof when the story made it's rounds, and it's still unclear to me where the actual proof was found. But Desantis firing the aid is absolute confirmation of guilt.
I had my doubts but I gotta accept the truth and move on :confusedshrug:
Well it ended up being true. Desantis fired the staffer. He apparently not only retweeted it, he helped put the clip together. There was very little proof when the story made it's rounds, and it's still unclear to me where the actual proof was found. But Desantis firing the aid is absolute confirmation of guilt.
I had my doubts but I gotta accept the truth and move on :confusedshrug:
Damn at least you can admit when you’re wrong. A shocking thing for an ISH conservative. You must be the first one.
Baller234
07-26-2023, 11:11 AM
Well it ended up being true. Desantis fired the staffer. He apparently not only retweeted it, he helped put the clip together. There was very little proof when the story made it's rounds, and it's still unclear to me where the actual proof was found. But Desantis firing the aid is absolute confirmation of guilt.
I had my doubts but I gotta accept the truth and move on :confusedshrug:
But if he fired the staffer, that means he didn't endorse it and is separating himself from it.
A lone staffer tweeting something out of ignorance isn't an indictment on DeSantis whatsoever. It just means the staffer did something stupid.
BurningHammer
07-26-2023, 11:20 AM
How is it a detour? Desantis's policies on gender is one of the biggest reasons he's being attacked by the left. It's a noteworthy discussion.
I suppose you would much rather prefer 11 pages of everyone calling him Ron DeHitler and holding hands in a woke circle jerk.
Isn't it the point of the thread? About the alleged Desantis' campaign tweet? :confusedshrug:
It's a usual political circle jerk on ISH with or without extra subjects, I know. Still.... :ohwell:
But if he fired the staffer, that means he didn't endorse it and is separating himself from it.
A lone staffer tweeting something out of ignorance isn't an indictment on DeSantis whatsoever. It just means the staffer did something stupid.
Fuming.
Baller234
07-26-2023, 12:29 PM
Fuming.
You mean you're fuming.
All this does is undermine your argument that DeSantis is a nazi. Unless of course you're arguing that the nazi governor fired his nazi staffer for being a nazi.
You tried though.
ArbitraryWater
07-26-2023, 12:43 PM
Well it ended up being true. Desantis fired the staffer. He apparently not only retweeted it, he helped put the clip together. There was very little proof when the story made it's rounds, and it's still unclear to me where the actual proof was found. But Desantis firing the aid is absolute confirmation of guilt.
I had my doubts but I gotta accept the truth and move on :confusedshrug:
this also removes any blame of DeSantis, though.
So its another nothing burger
Patrick Chewing
07-26-2023, 02:38 PM
I seem to recall the mayor of Seattle surrendering several city blocks to a group of anarchists and criminals during the summer of 2020, declaring it an autonomous zone beyond the purview of law enforcement.
https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/52142be8f321ef39d21d5d6c3d104a78
I also vividly remember the response from the democratic party as whole while it was happening in real time:
https://media.tenor.com/FDwYMy302gMAAAAC/tumbleweed-silence.gif
It's so easy to pick apart dummies like RRR3 when they get their weekly bouts of amnesia about Democrats and Liberals. The Left is the Party of Anarchy.
Patrick Chewing
07-26-2023, 02:42 PM
You mean you're fuming.
All this does is undermine your argument that DeSantis is a nazi. Unless of course you're arguing that the nazi governor fired his nazi staffer for being a nazi.
You tried though.
He calls his own mother a Nazi when she refuses to make him any more hot pockets.
You mean you're fuming.
All this does is undermine your argument that DeSantis is a nazi. Unless of course you're arguing that the nazi governor fired his nazi staffer for being a nazi.
You tried though.
More like Desantis is aware of optics. The fact that he had Nazis working for him says it all.
It's so easy to pick apart dummies like RRR3 when they get their weekly bouts of amnesia about Democrats and Liberals. The Left is the Party of Anarchy.
The democrats are the party of anarchy but you also say they’re big government. Which is it? You can’t have it both ways.
Baller234
07-26-2023, 07:50 PM
More like Desantis is aware of optics. The fact that he had Nazis working for him says it all.
It was probably a gen-Z intern who thought he was posting something for lolz and unknowingly shared a symbol that used to be linked to nazis. The overwhelming majority of people probably never even saw that symbol before and would have had no idea, myself included.
You're reaching like a motherfu*ker.
Again, you tried.
Baller234
07-26-2023, 07:53 PM
The democrats are the party of anarchy but you also say they’re big government. Which is it? You can’t have it both ways.
Depends.
When the democrats are in power, they're for big government. When they're not in power, they're for anarchy.
- CHAZ/CHOP
- BLM/Antifa riots
- "Defund the Police"
- Forced vaccinations
Real preservers of democracy. :oldlol:
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