Jaylen Brown signs for 304 million dollars.

[Kblaze8855]

https://www.hostpic.org/images/2307252117060379.jpeg




Highest paid player ever. Will make 70 million by the end of the deal.

But he will soon have the second biggest deal on his team because Tatum is up next and eligible for more.

[FireDavidKahn]

Ya, I know the Celtics had to do this but the only players that truly deserve this kind of money are top 5 players and that's it.

Brown is good but he isn't close to that.

[Kblaze8855]

It won’t be a top-five contract pretty soon. It’s the highest ever signed. It certainly won’t be anywhere even close to the highest ever paid to the players currently in the league. Guys who aren’t consistent all stars will be over 300 soon. You already have non All-Stars signing rookie extensions bigger than the biggest Supermax contract in history was when they got drafted.

It might be intended for elite players, but by the time you actually get the money, these contracts are never actually elite anymore. Giannis only got 228 and it was the biggest deal ever at the time. His contract is what a very good third-year player would be looking for going forward.

Giannis makes what the next Desmond Bane will make.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Ya, I know the Celtics had to do this but the only players that truly deserve this kind of money are top 5 players and that's it.

Brown is good but he isn't close to that.

How do you determine who deserves it? Every good team in the league is going to have 1 or more supermax player in the next few years. Just going by the market that's what he gets. Does he deserve that kind of money for playing basketball morally? No but in that case none of them do and the owners don't deserve what they get either. In the end the only reason he he "doesn't deserve it" because you just don't think he should be handed 300 mil. Ok then... prepare to be frequently outraged.

[Wally450]

It won’t be a top-five contract pretty soon. It’s the highest ever signed. It certainly won’t be anywhere even close to the highest ever paid to the players currently in the league. Guys who aren’t consistent all stars will be over 300 soon. You already have non All-Stars signing rookie extensions bigger than the biggest Supermax contract in history was when they got drafted.

It might be intended for elite players, but by the time you actually get the money, these contracts are never actually elite anymore. Giannis only got 228 and it was the biggest deal ever at the time. His contract is what a very good third-year player would be looking for going forward.

Giannis makes what the next Desmond Bane will make.

This will probably look like a bargain in 5 years.

[FireDavidKahn]

How do you determine who deserves it? Every good team in the league is going to have 1 or more supermax player in the next few years. Just going by the market that's what he gets. Does he deserve that kind of money for playing basketball morally? No but in that case none of them do and the owners don't deserve what they get either. In the end the only reason he he "doesn't deserve it" because you just don't think he should be handed 300 mil. Ok then... prepare to be frequently outraged.

OH I'm glad Brown can get all the money he can. I don't fault players for what they are able to get. I just don't think he is worth that much.

The supermax is turning into a mistake (from the owners perspective) and creating more problems then it intended to fix. The biggest losers in all of this are the players that aren't elite.

[Real Men Wear Green]

OH I'm glad Brown can get all the money he can. I don't fault players for what they are able to get. I just don't think he is worth that much.

The supermax is turning into a mistake (from the owners perspective) and creating more problems then it intended to fix. The biggest losers in all of this are the players that aren't elite.

Unfortunately it wasn't with the Celtics but Grant William signed for about 50 million. A player that may not even start can still get over 10 mil a year these days. I don't think any of them are losing.

[Kblaze8855]

This will probably look like a bargain in 5 years.


Run the numbers on a built-in Increase of 10% that’s already built into the CBA. The raises will absorb the entire yearly increase of his contract even if the next rights deal doesn’t increase revenue. And it will. Jalen will be on a $300 million deal while somebody on his same basic level signs one for 400.

[FultzNationRISE]

How do you determine who deserves it? Every good team in the league is going to have 1 or more supermax player in the next few years. Just going by the market that's what he gets. Does he deserve that kind of money for playing basketball morally? No but in that case none of them do and the owners don't deserve what they get either. In the end the only reason he he "doesn't deserve it" because you just don't think he should be handed 300 mil. Ok then... prepare to be frequently outraged.

Exactly.

RMWG gets a handwritten personal check for $300 at the end of the weekend for setting up sound equipment at the Boston Amphitheater. When he comes home he wants to see Jaylen Brown on that television, dammit. Pay the guy whatever it takes to keep him throwing basketballs. Hell, give him $500,000,000.

RMWG doesnt wanna sit and consider what an affront to his bottom-tier manhood everything in society is. He wants an escape. NEEDS an escape. If Jaylen Brown can provide it thru turnovers and woke tweets, send him a Brinks Truck IMMEDIATELY.

[Kblaze8855]

Exactly.

RMWG gets a handwritten personal check for $300 at the end of the weekend for setting up sound equipment at the Boston Amphitheater. When he comes home he wants to see Jaylen Brown on that television, dammit. Pay the guy whatever it takes to keep him throwing basketballs. Hell, give him $500,000,000.

RMWG doesnt wanna sit and consider what an affront to his bottom-tier manhood everything in society is. He wants an escape. NEEDS an escape. If Jaylen Brown can provide it thru turnovers and woke tweets, send him a Brinks Truck IMMEDIATELY.


So you’re selectively against capitalism and the free market deciding what something is worth? If 400 people can generate over $10 billion does it matter what their worth to society is? Where is the money supposed to come from to pay the people we assign more value? Higher taxes? Should we tax people like Jaylen Brown at 95% and distribute the wealth to nurses and public school teachers? What’s your solution or are you just complaining about the system without a better one in mind?

[Real Men Wear Green]

So you’re selectively against capitalism and the free market deciding what something is worth? If 400 people can generate over $10 billion does it matter what they’re worth to society eagles? Where is tso you’re selectively against capitalism and the free market deciding what something is worth? If 400 people can generate over $10 billion does it matter what their worth to society is? Where is the money supposed to come from to pay the people we assign more value? Higher taxes? Should we tax people like Jaylen Brown at 95% and distribute the wealth to nurses and public school teachers? What’s your solution or are you just complaining about the system without a better one in mind?

I almost applauds you for seeing some kind of meaning in his routine idiot trolling.

[DMAVS41]

So you’re selectively against capitalism and the free market deciding what something is worth? If 400 people can generate over $10 billion does it matter what they’re worth to society eagles? Where is tso you’re selectively against capitalism and the free market deciding what something is worth? If 400 people can generate over $10 billion does it matter what their worth to society is? Where is the money supposed to come from to pay the people we assign more value? Higher taxes? Should we tax people like Jaylen Brown at 95% and distribute the wealth to nurses and public school teachers? What’s your solution or are you just complaining about the system without a better one in mind?



I'd focus more on corporations and highlight how they get bailed out often when they **** up, but generally don't share the wealth, even with their employees...at the appropriate level when things are going well...but something does have to change in our society. It is still the best system I think, but we are going down a troubling path of wealth inequality.

I don't have the all the answers, but to your comment...I'd definitely want to pay nurses and public school teachers more in terms of the distribution of our wealth. One reason would be because it would naturally draw more qualified people to such important roles. For example, you simply aren't getting great teachers at 50 to 60 thousand a year today...you are selecting for types of people that we likely don't want around and teaching our kids.

If you haven't seen it...pretty good site that has a lot of information about these topics.

https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/

[bison]

If 400 people can generate over $10 billion does it matter what they’re worth to society eagles?

How the hell do 400 people generate $10 billion? Are these people wizards or something? Labor has value and we know this from the money it generates. No one makes a billion without robbing workers of their labor value. 400 people make $10 billion by underpaying millions.

[RRR3]

[/B]

I'd focus more on corporations and highlight how they get bailed out often when they **** up, but generally don't share the wealth, even with their employees...at the appropriate level when things are going well...but something does have to change in our society. It is still the best system I think, but we are going down a troubling path of wealth inequality.

I don't have the all the answers, but to your comment...I'd definitely want to pay nurses and public school teachers more in terms of the distribution of our wealth. One reason would be because it would naturally draw more qualified people to such important roles. For example, you simply aren't getting great teachers at 50 to 60 thousand a year today...you are selecting for types of people that we likely don't want around and teaching our kids.

If you haven't seen it...pretty good site that has a lot of information about these topics.

https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/
are you anti-capitalist? If not you should be.

[FultzNationRISE]

So you’re selectively against capitalism and the free market deciding what something is worth? If 400 people can generate over $10 billion does it matter what their worth to society is? Where is the money supposed to come from to pay the people we assign more value? Higher taxes? Should we tax people like Jaylen Brown at 95% and distribute the wealth to nurses and public school teachers? What’s your solution or are you just complaining about the system without a better one in mind?

Absolutely not. Im not suggesting anything isnt the way it’s entitled to be.

Im just clowning the people who make it so and then cant figure out why their class is always stuck behind.

[FultzNationRISE]

are you anti-capitalist? If not you should be.

^ This dude has National Billionaire Association league pass and eats at Amazon’s Whole Foods.

He’s anti capitalist!

:roll:

[DMAVS41]

are you anti-capitalist? If not you should be.

No, I'm not.

I'd just like to see the free market as everyone claims...actually be free. Not the rigged game certain people/corporations play where they get all the rewards when they succeed...but socialize the losses when they fail.

[Kblaze8855]

How the hell do 400 people generate $10 billion? Are these people wizards or something? Labor has value and we know this from the money it generates. No one makes a billion without robbing workers of their labor value. 400 people make $10 billion by underpaying millions.


As someone who has both been robbed and had a job paying like 3 dollars an hour I was free to decline let me assure you….they aren’t the same thing. People just get latched onto political narratives and repeat them all day. Employment of a lot of people at a rate they wish were higher but accepted for what it is isn’t inherently immoral nor is it theft.

[Manny98]

300 Million?

This Guy? Mr 8 turnovers 8/23 in a game 7?


https://youtu.be/mN5ZqFgBDfU

https://i.postimg.cc/bJcwkmfd/giphy-5.gif

[DMAVS41]

As someone who has both been robbed and had a job paying like 3 dollars an hour I was free to decline let me assure you….they aren’t the same thing. People just get latched onto political narratives and repeat them all day. Employment of a lot of people at a rate they wish were higher but accepted for what it is isn’t inherently immoral nor is it theft.

This is true mostly imo...

Inflation is the real theft or crime being committed on most of the working population. They don't get paid enough to invest much, if at all, and their wages often don't rise as much as true inflation actually is...so they have no real ability to navigate the economic landscape without going into debt and just seeing all of their money end up in the pockets of the top few percent...which just continues to widen the gap of wealth day after day after day.

I'd love to see a presidential candidate make some reform on required yearly salary increases meeting or beating yearly inflation for anyone making under 100k a year or something.

[tpols]

This is true mostly imo...

Inflation is the real theft or crime being committed on most of the working population. They don't get paid enough to invest much, if at all, and their wages often don't rise as much as true inflation actually is...so they have no real ability to navigate the economic landscape without going into debt and just seeing all of their money end up in the pockets of the top few percent...which just continues to widen the gap of wealth day after day after day.

I'd love to see a presidential candidate make some reform on required yearly salary increases meeting or beating yearly inflation for anyone making under 100k a year or something.

This is true.

Base office jobs have barely seen an increase in the last 5 years... maybe you'll get 65k instead of 55k... yet these athletes are seeing 100 million dollar raises. Because their owners are seeing even more.

Wealth is being funneled more than ever to the top of the food chain and its happening at an alarming rate.

[DMAVS41]

This is true.

Base office jobs have barely seen an increase in the last 5 years... maybe you'll get 65k instead of 55k... yet these athletes are seeing 100 million dollar raises. Because their owners are seeing even more.

Wealth is being funneled more than ever to the top of the food chain and its happening at an alarming rate.

Yep.

I know a lot of companies, school districts, office jobs...etc...that average like 1.5% a year on their wage increases. That is horrible in normal circumstances...but when you factor in the last 3 years of 20% inflation (probably more in reality)...and you realize these people have like a couple grand in their bank account...don't own a home...and have no investments.

They are getting destroyed. It literally makes my stomach turn just thinking about it.

[Kblaze8855]

All that happened is the Internet directly connected about a billion more people to corporations than they would have had access to in previous generations. They arent an acting any less ethically. They can just get six dollars from 95% of the planet instead of the tycoons of the past who had to get $1.50 from everyone locally. You can’t un ring that bell, but at some point the growth will slow as they run out of new ways to exploit the increased access.

[Airupthere]

300 Million?

This Guy? Mr 8 turnovers 8/23 in a game 7?


https://youtu.be/mN5ZqFgBDfU

https://i.postimg.cc/bJcwkmfd/giphy-5.gif

Going into his 8th season in the league and still a low IQ player. What Rick Barry said about Brown and Tatum being Westbrooks is not exactly a compliment.

[DMAVS41]

All that happened is the Internet directly connected about a billion more people to corporations than they would have had access to in previous generations. They arent an acting any less ethically. They can just get six dollars from 95% of the planet instead of the tycoons of the past who had to get $1.50 from everyone locally. You can’t un ring that bell, but at some point the growth will slow as they run out of new ways to exploit the increased access.

I don't really care much about the ethics of the situation as that is going to be millions of different variables based on specific circumstances.

It isn't just about the internet though...again, you should go to that website I listed. Compensation really started stagnating in the 70's and the workers in society have gotten less of a share of productivity increases over the last 50 years or so.

[Hoopexpert]

This will be the biggest mistake the celts make in the history of their franchise.

How can you pay this guy more than Tatum?

What about the 15-20 other players who are better than him?

[Kblaze8855]

I wonder how much the percentage of labor done directly by workers has changed in 50 years. Too obvious an example to pretend it’s like that in every sector of course but look at manufacturing. How much of a car was built by hand in 1970 as compared to now? And people were already complaining about robots taking their jobs, even then. The Simpsons had a joke, probably 30 years ago about the only job being left is building and maintaining the robots that take everybody’s job. But I think the robots build themselves now. And they’re probably used to designed themselves to remove inefficiencies Humans don’t notice.

The people who do the kind of specialized work with their hands that can’t currently be done by automation are still eating good. We’re probably a couple generations from not needing electricians and carpenters. Even a 3-D printed house has to be put together on site. For now.

[DMAVS41]

There are a ton of factors, of course...but the point, at least not my point, isn't really to blame or even explain why....it is that the average worker is getting less while the owners in society are getting more in a significant way over the last 50 years.

I read an article, have no idea if accurate, but it seemed legit...that the average CEO pay 40 years ago was 6 times average worker salary at a company...and it is now 350 times more.

My point is simply that something has to give at some point. I do a lot of work with people impacted by this... the recent 3 years of cost of living increase combined with limited wage growth has really ****ed up their lives...and these aren't minimum wage workers. These are workers making between 60 and 120 grand a year.

[RRR3]

No, I'm not.

I'd just like to see the free market as everyone claims...actually be free. Not the rigged game certain people/corporations play where they get all the rewards when they succeed...but socialize the losses when they fail.
So you would like a system like the Nordic model?

[Real Men Wear Green]

300 Million?

This Guy? Mr 8 turnovers 8/23 in a game 7?


https://youtu.be/mN5ZqFgBDfU

https://i.postimg.cc/bJcwkmfd/giphy-5.gif

It could be worse: he could be Ben Simmons.

[Manny98]

It could be worse: he could be Ben Simmons.

Didn't know Simmons was getting paid 300 million..

[DMAVS41]

So you would like a system like the Nordic model?

I’m not familiar with that.

What is it?

[FultzNationRISE]

I’m not familiar with that.

What is it?


It’s where small homogeneous countries are protected under the umbrella of a larger empire, and therefore invest more of their budget into social programs without the worry of keeping up with the world in military, industrial, or agricultural ingenuity, best developed thru free market.

It doesnt work on large, universal scales, but he doesnt know that.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Didn't know Simmons was getting paid 300 million..

No just 177. I'll take the AllNBA star SG over all-at home headcase thanks. You guys so concerned about Wyc Grousbeck's money are amusing. I assure you he's got plenty and can afford to pay what it costs to win championships. The Celtics make him all that money back and then some,JB's deal was dictated by the rise in cap wh8ch was in turn dictated by the rise in revenue. Celtics will be playing for the championship every year until Brown and Tatum are deep into their thirties and if you think three party is big now just wait until their next deals come out. They could both be billionaires by the time they're 50...

And as far as I'm concerned good for them. Why do you people care?

[Im Still Ballin]

[/B]

I'd focus more on corporations and highlight how they get bailed out often when they **** up, but generally don't share the wealth, even with their employees...at the appropriate level when things are going well...but something does have to change in our society. It is still the best system I think, but we are going down a troubling path of wealth inequality.

I don't have the all the answers, but to your comment...I'd definitely want to pay nurses and public school teachers more in terms of the distribution of our wealth. One reason would be because it would naturally draw more qualified people to such important roles. For example, you simply aren't getting great teachers at 50 to 60 thousand a year today...you are selecting for types of people that we likely don't want around and teaching our kids.

If you haven't seen it...pretty good site that has a lot of information about these topics.

https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYOg8EON29Y&ab_channel=Key%26Peele

[Kblaze8855]

A little history lesson I don’t think justifies another topic since we are already on it….

Highest paid player ever progression. In order.

Joe Fulks, George Mikan, Harry Boykoff, Cousy, Wilt who broke the 100K barrier, Russell(by a single dollar as Red agreed to always pay him one dollar more than Wilt), Bill Bradley, Wilt again, Kareem, Pistol Pete, Ernie DiGregiorio(diet Pistol Pete remembered these days only for this pass:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AcademicBareAntelope-size_restricted.gif

which people incorrectly attribute to Pistol Pete because they think all flashy white people from the 70s had to be Pistol Pete), Kareem again, David Thompson, Walton and Moses Malone who tied as the first 1 million dollar player, next year Doctor J, Kareem, and Otis Birdsong(you have no idea who that is) tied that. Then it’s Moses taking the crown back at 2 million. Then it’s Magic, Ewing(first to hit 3 and 4) and then Bird who hit 7. That was the record till Magic doubled that to 14 in his comeback season. Ewing took the crown back at 18.7, then Jordan got 30 and then 33 which was the record all the way up till Steph in 2018 who started what is now a 7 year run of increasing the record yearly which he will continue to do until Dame takes it in 2027 unless Steph demands another deal.

Jordan held the crown the longest followed by Steph. If we throw out Jordan’s outlier years KG, Kobe, and Lebron had good runs as well.


It started at 8000 a year for Joe Fulks which is about 110K today up to the 70 million Jaylen will get in a few years. It took 32 years to go from 8,000 to one million for a season. It took 2 years to get from 1 to 2. 9 years to get to 7. 2 years to get to 18. 3 more to get to 30. 15 years to get back to 30. 10 years to get from 30 to 50. It’s gonna take 5 years to get from 50 to 70.


At what point was it at a level society wasn’t disgusted?

It was considered disgusting Ernie D got 500K a year at the time despite being the worst defender in the league and getting the nickname “Ernie no D” which he claimed should be “Ernie Dollars” pissing of more people.

How much money would one have to take from these guys to not hear about the nurses and school teachers?

If they made 1 million in 2023….people would still be mad wouldnt they?

[Gudo]

LOL, big mistake by the Celtics. JB has already peaked. Him and Tatum are not that guy and yet being treated as such.

[Manny98]

No just 177. I'll take the AllNBA star SG over all-at home headcase thanks. You guys so concerned about Wyc Grousbeck's money are amusing. I assure you he's got plenty and can afford to pay what it costs to win championships. The Celtics make him all that money back and then some,JB's deal was dictated by the rise in cap wh8ch was in turn dictated by the rise in revenue. Celtics will be playing for the championship every year until Brown and Tatum are deep into their thirties and if you think three party is big now just wait until their next deals come out. They could both be billionaires by the time they're 50...

And as far as I'm concerned good for them. Why do you people care?
No don't get me wrong I'm happy for him

Just amusing how the Celtics are dumb enough to pay a player not even top 30 in the league that much money :oldlol:

[Kblaze8855]

No don't get me wrong I'm happy for him

Just amusing how the Celtics are dumb enough to pay a player not even top 30 in the league that much money :oldlol:

Being named all NBA is the compromise the NBA was willing to live with as a qualification to get Supermax. They have to be able to offer players who achieved something money to stay with their teams. The All-Star game would obviously be too low a hurdle but I bet that’s what the players asked for. All NBA makes sense to me. And I think defensive player of the year gets you eligibility too. Feels like the change to the all nba system they’re starting going forward that makes it positionless was designed to keep lesser players from sneaking in.

But at the same time the games played minimum removes a lot of guys like Steph, Leonard, AD, Lebron, Durant and so on who always miss games and it makes some worse players eligible to take their spots and get the Supermax options.

Its a give and take.

[Full Court]

Ya, I know the Celtics had to do this but the only players that truly deserve this kind of money are top 5 players and that's it.

Brown is good but he isn't close to that.

It's not a matter of deserve or not deserve, it's a matter of what the team is willing to pay and what the player is willing to accept. No more, no less.

[Real Men Wear Green]

No don't get me wrong I'm happy for him

Just amusing how the Celtics are dumb enough to pay a player not even top 30 in the league that much money :oldlol:

It's stupid but not all that amusing to see you saying he isn't top 30. If you actually tried to make a list of 30 better players you will be listing dudes like Tyrese Maxey and trying to act like it isn't stupid.

[Phoenix]

and you realize these people have like a couple grand in their bank account...don't own a home...and have no investments.



That's probably being generous. I've seen a few reports saying a large percentage of people have less than a grand saved

[SouBeachTalents]

Well if theyre vaxed up and spend their free time watching Jaylen Brown… what can ya do?
Well not everyone can spend their time making funny LeBron posts tens of thousands of times.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Well not everyone can spend their time making funny LeBron posts tens of thousands of times.

The simple joys of unemployment.

[FultzNationRISE]

Well not everyone can spend their time making funny LeBron posts tens of thousands of times.


Of course they can.

They just cant complain about a lack of opportunity if thats how they spend their time.

People can spend their time on whatever they want.

But if they shrugged at ten trillion (trillion with a T) dollars of global vax debt (hence inflation) and use their free time to cheer on woke athletes thru the TV… they just need to keep everything in perspective.

Which is usually not most peoples specialty.

[Manny98]

It's stupid but not all that amusing to see you saying he isn't top 30. If you actually tried to make a list of 30 better players you will be listing dudes like Tyrese Maxey and trying to act like it isn't stupid.
He's not top 30 I can name 30 players better than him off the top of my head

1. Jokic
2. Durant
3. LeBron
4. Curry
5. AD
6. Luka
7. Giannis
8. Butler
9. Embiid
10. Kawhi
11. Lillard
12. Tatum
13. Shai
14. Mitchell
15. Booker
16. Morant
17. Murray
18. Fox
19. PG
20. Harden
21. Adebayo
22. Holiday
23. Trae
24. Zion
25. Bridges
26. Edwards
27. Brunson
28. Siakam
29. Hailiburton
30. Kyrie

Then you have guys like Sabonis, Ingram, Beal, Demar,Garland, Towns

I don't want to hear about all NBA teams when a lot of that is based on team record ect. Gobert made all NBA 1st team 1 year ffs :oldlol:

[Norcaliblunt]

So youÂ’re selectively against capitalism and the free market deciding what something is worth? If 400 people can generate over $10 billion does it matter what their worth to society is? Where is the money supposed to come from to pay the people we assign more value? Higher taxes? Should we tax people like Jaylen Brown at 95% and distribute the wealth to nurses and public school teachers? WhatÂ’s your solution or are you just complaining about the system without a better one in mind?

It takes way more than 400 people for the NBA to generate 10 billion. It might take more than 400 people just to pull off one game. Lol. There are a lot of different roles to makes this industry go round. Shit the state builds the stadiums in some instances so no 400 basketball players and owners alone donÂ’t generate 10 billion in a vacuum. The whole society plays a role in generating that money.

[Carbine]

He's not top 30 I can name 30 players better than him off the top of my head

1. Jokic
2. Durant
3. LeBron
4. Curry
5. AD
6. Luka
7. Giannis
8. Butler
9. Embiid
10. Kawhi
11. Lillard
12. Tatum
13. Shai
14. Mitchell
15. Booker
16. Morant
17. Murray
18. Fox
19. PG
20. Harden
21. Adebayo
22. Holiday
23. Trae
24. Zion
25. Bridges
26. Edwards
27. Brunson
28. Siakam
29. Hailiburton
30. Kyrie

Then you have guys like Sabonis, Ingram, Beal, Demar,Garland, Towns

I don't want to hear about all NBA teams when a lot of that is based on team record ect. Gobert made all NBA 1st team 1 year ffs :oldlol:


That's one awful list of 30 players better than Brown.

He's definitely a top 25 guy and one of the very best #2 options in the NBA who can also be the #1 option in any given playoff series.

[bladefd]

I have a feeling the Celtics will be looking to off-load Jaylen contract a year or two in (after Tatum gets paid supermax) once they realize that most of their salary is going to Jaylen + Jayson Tatum. That is not a championship duo in my eyes, and I can't see them putting a championship team around those 2 when they are using up majority of the cap. In my opinion, they need to put Tatum next to an elite big man or perhaps an elite pg if they want to win a chip. I would be looking to trade Jaylen for Trae Young. I don't see Shai becoming available or Lillard going to Boston. If Embiid ever gets fed up & asks for a trade, he would be awesome to team up with Tatum in Boston too.

[Real Men Wear Green]

He's not top 30 I can name 30 players better than him off the top of my head

1. Jokic
2. Durant
3. LeBron
4. Curry
5. AD
6. Luka
7. Giannis
8. Butler
9. Embiid
10. Kawhi
11. Lillard
12. Tatum
13. Shai
14. Mitchell
15. Booker
16. Morant
17. Murray
18. Fox
19. PG
20. Harden
21. Adebayo
22. Holiday
23. Trae
24. Zion
25. Bridges
26. Edwards
27. Brunson
28. Siakam
29. Hailiburton
30. Kyrie

Then you have guys like Sabonis, Ingram, Beal, Demar,Garland, Towns

I don't want to hear about all NBA teams when a lot of that is based on team record ect. Gobert made all NBA 1st team 1 year ffs :oldlol:

Predictable stupidity. 2nd team AllNBA. Deal with it.

[Jasper]

I remember a Fab Five from Michigan getting a huge contract,, so the question is will he pull a career like that or a Harden career, blaming everyone else ??

I don't think so , Brown has been out performing Tatum in the clutch for some time now.

[Jasper]

Predictable stupidity. 2nd team AllNBA. Deal with it.
[QUOTE=Manny98;14815003]He's not top 30 I can name 30 players better than him off the top of my head

1. Jokic
2. Durant
3. LeBron
4. Curry
5. AD
6. Luka
7. Giannis
8. Butler
9. Embiid
10. Kawhi
11. Lillard
12. Tatum
13. Shai
14. Mitchell
giannis at 7

:facepalm

[Jasper]

bigger laugh Butler at 8

he is lucky if he is in my top 25

[Airupthere]

I remember a Fab Five from Michigan getting a huge contract,, so the question is will he pull a career like that or a Harden career, blaming everyone else ??

I don't think so , Brown has been out performing Tatum in the clutch for some time now.

In inconsistency?

[FultzNationRISE]

He's not top 30 I can name 30 players better than him off the top of my head

1. Jokic
2. Durant
3. LeBron
4. Curry
5. AD
6. Luka
7. Giannis
8. Butler
9. Embiid
10. Kawhi
11. Lillard
12. Tatum
13. Shai
14. Mitchell
15. Booker
16. Morant
17. Murray
18. Fox
19. PG
20. Harden
21. Adebayo
22. Holiday
23. Trae
24. Zion
25. Bridges
26. Edwards
27. Brunson
28. Siakam
29. Hailiburton
30. Kyrie

Then you have guys like Sabonis, Ingram, Beal, Demar,Garland, Towns

I don't want to hear about all NBA teams when a lot of that is based on team record ect. Gobert made all NBA 1st team 1 year ffs :oldlol:


I dont see any lies here.

Jrue is debatable depending on what a team needs. And Kyrie depending on how much you value availability. Ok and Harden who I flat out dont want because he wont even give effort when it counts.

Other than that Id max any of those guys over the guy getting rich off the work Al Horford and Derrick White do.

Edit: And AD as Im contractually prohibited from giving a LeTeammate credit.

[Kblaze8855]

I expected a lot more laughable picks in the 30 to be honest. I only laughed at Murray. It’s a lot more arguable than I expected it to be. A lot of them are just of unreliable health.

[Kblaze8855]

It takes way more than 400 people for the NBA to generate 10 billion. It might take more than 400 people just to pull off one game. Lol. There are a lot of different roles to makes this industry go round. Shit the state builds the stadiums in some instances so no 400 basketball players and owners alone donÂ’t generate 10 billion in a vacuum. The whole society plays a role in generating that money.


Forgive me for not including concessions and the parking lot staff. I’m talking about people who might conceivably make a difference if you replaced them with the 2 billionth best person in the world at what they do. Replace everyone in the NBA with someone like me and a month later you can’t sell a ticket or get apples to be in $1 billion to show it. The people you’re talking about are easily replaceable.

You could replace the nba players with other world class players but the people you reference? They could mostly quit before the season and be replaced with no impact on the leagues earning potential. Society being necessary to generate revenue, doesn’t mean nobody deserves credit for their success.

[AlternativeAcc.]

I expected a lot more laughable picks in the 30 to be honest. I only laughed at Murray. It’s a lot more arguable than I expected it to be. A lot of them are just of unreliable health.

You're laughing at a guy who averages 27/6/5 for his playoff career.. over 40% from 3, and just came off a dominant playoff run where he helped his team win a title... his playoff career averages are far better than any single run Brown has ever had.

That's not even getting into the eye test where Murray is a cold-blooded smooth killer and Brown is a clunky westbrick type.

Are you trolling?

[Kblaze8855]

I was thinking of

https://www.hostpic.org/images/2307260605490124.jpeg

[paksat]

it's kind of weird to see that kind of money being thrown at someone that shot 33% from 3 last year in a league that only shoots 3's

18 ppg, 2.2 assists per game for his career... 304 million dollars


rokay

[Real Men Wear Green]

it's kind of weird to see that kind of money being thrown at someone that shot 33% from 3 last year in a league that only shoots 3's

18 ppg, 2.2 assists per game for his career... 304 million dollars


rokay

Career stats mean nothing when players are coming into the league at 19 years old. He just averaged 26 points and 7 boards and is a good defender. And how do you somehow notice his career scoring average and assists where convenient but somehow don't notice that his career 3pt percentage is 36.5?

[tpols]

That's one awful list of 30 players better than Brown.

He's definitely a top 25 guy and one of the very best #2 options in the NBA who can also be the #1 option in any given playoff series.

Who would you knock off his list?

Guy didn't even name Middleton who is bona-fide All Star talent and the Bucks closer. Brown is nice but he doesn't particularly stand out between the other top 15-30 players in the league.

[Carbine]

Because agenda. You've been around long enough

[Real Men Wear Green]

Who would you knock off his list?

Guy didn't even name Middleton who is bona-fide All Star talent and the Bucks closer. Brown is nice but he doesn't particularly stand out between the other top 15-30 players in the league.
Middleton averaged 12 less points and played half as many games. It's weird how so many fans have no idea what numbers Brown put up this season for one of the best teams in the NBA.

[Kblaze8855]

Adding the few at the end and Middleton, there are at least 28ish people on that list that are either better than brown, or not different enough to have an argument about. I don’t think it’s true to say he isn’t top 30…but being real? There are WAY more comparable players than I’d have thought without listing them. The list of mid tier stars is long as ****.

[paksat]

Career stats mean nothing when players are coming into the league at 19 years old. He just averaged 26 points and 7 boards and is a good defender. And how do you somehow notice his career scoring average and assists where convenient but somehow don't notice that his career 3pt percentage is 36.5?

somehow?

I pointed out some things I saw that were rather obvious. 36.5 isn't worth 304 million dollars either, hell chris paul shoots that for his CAREER

here's some more obvious things: 68% free throw shooter in the playoffs last year, his ppg dropped down 22 as well, his boards fell to 5.5

the east is a joke, it's not like he's having to deal with prime wade out there. No I don't think he even remotely deserves that much and it's gonna blow up in the celtics face.

[Kblaze8855]

Middleton averaged 12 less points and played half as many games. It's weird how so many fans have no idea what numbers Brown put up this season for one of the best teams in the NBA.

Yea you could knock a lot off the list due to health and circumstance. You wouldn’t trade Jalen for Leonard because Leonard can’t stay healthy. But we don’t really remake the rankings Every time somebody gets hurt or heals up do we? Like Paul George doesn’t go from 8th to 34th he’s just unreliable at times. I would say that’s more an issue of relative value than how good you are outside extreme cases like say, grant hill in Orlando. If Middleton continues to be hurt like he was last year, I would obviously rather have brown. If he’s himself? It’s not an unreasonable discussion to have.

[Carbine]

Who would you knock off his list?

Guy didn't even name Middleton who is bona-fide All Star talent and the Bucks closer. Brown is nice but he doesn't particularly stand out between the other top 15-30 players in the league.

I'd rather have him over Ja for obvious reasons.

Zion because he's lazy and hurt all the time.

Siakam for sure.

Kyrie is a joke. Nobody would want him over Brown. Again, for obvious reasons.

Holiday ain't like that anymore. Butler cooked his ass. He's going on 34.

There's five. I'm not even mentioning how brittle Kawhi is, how old Harden looks and how inconsistent he is or how bad Trea is on defense. How injury prone PG has become....

[Real Men Wear Green]

Adding the few at the end and Middleton, there are at least 28ish people on that list that are either better than brown, or not different enough to have an argument about. I don’t think it’s true to say he isn’t top 30…but being real? There are WAY more comparable players than I’d have thought without listing them. The list of mid tier stars is long as ****.
No GM is taking Paul George over him. How many seconds options have ever averaged 26 points? Modern numbers are a bit inflated but the rarity of that is noteworthy. Which second option in the league today is doing more offensively? And then you add in that he almost averages 7 rebounds out of a guard spot and is a good defender.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Yea you could knock a lot off the list due to health and circumstance. You wouldn’t trade Jalen for Leonard because Leonard can’t stay healthy. But we don’t really remake the rankings Every time somebody gets hurt or heals up do we? Like Paul George doesn’t go from 8th to 34th he’s just unreliable at times. I would say that’s more an issue of relative value than how good you are outside extreme cases like say, grant hill in Orlando. If Middleton continues to be hurt like he was last year, I would obviously rather have brown. If he’s himself? It’s not an unreasonable discussion to have.

Middleton has never averaged as many points as Brown just did and we haven't seen him at his best in something like a year and a half. I don't have some set rule for how long it takes to downgrade a player due to injury but it's pretty clear who just had the better season.

[Kblaze8855]

I'd rather have him over Ja for obvious reasons.

Zion because he's lazy and hurt all the time.

Siakam for sure.

Kyrie is a joke. Nobody would want him over Brown. Again, for obvious reasons.

Holiday ain't like that anymore. Butler cooked his ass. He's going on 34.

There's five. I'm not even mentioning how brittle Kawhi is, how old Harden looks and how inconsistent he is or how bad Trea is on defense. How injury prone PG has become....


Listing 5 out of 30 something names and having several of them being first ballot hall of famers at actually playing basketball Kinda makes the point.

How many of them are just straight up stupid comparisons as basketball players?

It’s not…that many.

There isn’t one person of the 35ish you’d be shocked to see outplay Jaylen in a series is there?

I feel like the whole list like….wouldn’t be a shocker to see Jaylen play worse than. They aren’t all better. They’re all pretty similar though. A few are injured which obviously makes it easy to call out those picks but just talking ball?

I don’t know. A case could be made for him being the 25th best player in the league and you wouldn’t necessarily look stupid making it.

You could also argue he’s closer to 12-15. But that’s the point. There’s a lot of those guys.

[Kblaze8855]

No GM is taking Paul George over him. How many seconds options have ever averaged 26 points? Modern numbers are a bit inflated but the rarity of that is noteworthy. Which second option in the league today is doing more offensively? And then you add in that he almost averages 7 rebounds out of a guard spot and is a good defender.

Jaylen Brown and Paul George on the same floor…Jaylen is not on some different level. The issue is likelihood To be on it. Which is a factor in value. It’s not exactly a basketball playing trait.

The argument there isn’t about who plays basketball better. It’s about who plays it most.

A different though obviously fair question to ask.

[FultzNationRISE]

Middleton averaged 12 less points and played half as many games. It's weird how so many fans have no idea what numbers Brown put up this season for one of the best teams in the NBA.

This POST season he put up 23 pts on decent efficiency and averaged 3 assists and 3 turnovers per game.

Same as last year, with the numbers going lower each preceding year to that.

Is there something else we should know?

[AirBonner]

Luka fixing to get 6 years 1 billion :oldlol:

[FultzNationRISE]

Middleton has never averaged as many points as Brown just did and we haven't seen him at his best in something like a year and a half. I don't have some set rule for how long it takes to downgrade a player due to injury but it's pretty clear who just had the better season.

He averaged more in Milwaukee’s playoff run than Brown ever has in a playoffs - both as second options - while having a 5:3 assist/turnover ratio to Brown’s 3:3.

Shut your mouth up bitch.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Jaylen Brown and Paul George on the same floor…Jaylen is not on some different level. The issue is likelihood To be on it. Which is a factor in value. It’s not exactly a basketball playing trait.

The argument there isn’t about who plays basketball better. It’s about who plays it most.

A different though obviously fair question to ask.

The origin of all this is how allegedly overpaid Brown is. Which means that the difference in reliability is extremely important.

[Kblaze8855]

Middleton has never averaged as many points as Brown just did and we haven't seen him at his best in something like a year and a half. I don't have some set rule for how long it takes to downgrade a player due to injury but it's pretty clear who just had the better season.


It is clear who had the better season. One barely played it.

Far as the scoring….Middleton never even hit 16 shots a game. Jaylen shoots more than KD ever has outside 2014. Curry only has one season shooting that much. Pierce never shot that much. Or Leonard. Wade only got there once. He shot as much as mvp season Kobe.

Shooting first option attempts shouldn’t result in first option ppg shouldn’t it? If you shoot more than most of the HOF ever did I don’t know if you get extra “Look what he scored as a second option” credit.

Im not saying you shouldn’t rank him over Middleton. I don’t care about that. I’m saying…ppg is a natural result of shooting more than the guy who put up 33 a game this year.

[Real Men Wear Green]

He averaged more in Milwaukee’s playoff run than Brown ever has in a playoffs - both as second options - while having a 5:3 assist/turnover ratio to Brown’s 3:3.

Shut your mouth up bitch.
Milwaukee's "playoff run" was 5 games. Don't you have a father that cares about you why you constantly beg for my attention?

[Kblaze8855]

The origin of all this is how allegedly overpaid Brown is. Which means that the difference in reliability is extremely important.


It may have stemmed from that, but the question became is he a top 30 player and just evaluating basketball? It’s not a stupid question as I thought it was initially. I was just surprised when I started counting off names, and noticed how many of them would not drawn objection from me if a friend of mine preferred him. I may or may not agree but most of those names aren’t worth arguing about.

I don’t think even 5 of them would look like a stupid comparison to make basketball wise. Even less on the same court at the same time.

We aren’t talking a guy who pulls away from the pack. The contract is whatever. He’s an all nba player. Those cost 300 million these days. Nothing to get upset about. Pay it or have worse players.

[FultzNationRISE]

Milwaukee's "playoff run" was 5 games. Don't you have a father that cares about you why you constantly beg for my attention?


I meant CHAMPIONSHIP RUN!!!!!! :rant

[Real Men Wear Green]

It is clear who had the better season. One barely played it.

Far as the scoring….Middleton never even hit 16 shots a game. Jaylen shoots more than KD ever has outside 2014. Curry only has one season shooting that much. Pierce never shot that much. Or Leonard. Wade only got there once. He shot as much as mvp season Kobe.

Shooting first option attempts shouldn’t result in first option ppg shouldn’t it? If you shoot more than most of the HOF ever did I don’t know if you get extra “Look what he scored as a second option” credit.

Im not saying you shouldn’t rank him over Middleton. I don’t care about that. I’m saying…ppg is a natural result of shooting more than the guy who put up 33 a game this year.

Don't make the mistake of disregarding what it takes for a player to put up a lot of shots and still be reasonably efficient. I'm glad we won't get to see it but it's very much worth wondering what Brown would average if he didn't share the floor with Tatum. He is the most aggressive scorer the Celtics have ever had now that he's being given a freer reign with guys like Irving and Walker long gone. But we've seen enough of Ben Simmons types to know that such aggression is a good trait for a talented scorer. He can have a bad game sure but you never see a game where he just disappeared and he's going to get the most out of his talent. Many of the greatest players of all time reached their status in part because they were aggressive.

[Norcaliblunt]

Forgive me for not including concessions and the parking lot staff. IÂ’m talking about people who might conceivably make a difference if you replaced them with the 2 billionth best person in the world at what they do. Replace everyone in the NBA with someone like me and a month later you canÂ’t sell a ticket or get apples to be in $1 billion to show it. The people youÂ’re talking about are easily replaceable.

You could replace the nba players with other world class players but the people you reference? They could mostly quit before the season and be replaced with no impact on the leagues earning potential. Society being necessary to generate revenue, doesnÂ’t mean nobody deserves credit for their success.

Never said the players don’t deserve credit or the money. I’m just pointing out that your statement is not giving “credit” to not only the Average Joes who make the games run, but everything behind the scenes within the league, all the way on down to the tax payer who doesn’t even watch basketball. 400 freak athletes aren’t generating shit on their own and are easily replaceable as well. Plenty of stories of talented people getting blackballed, not catching breaks, or wanting to abide to the system so go nowhere. And the ones who do make it wouldn’t have if there wasn’t some sort of public school and park system to actually give kids an infrastructure to play basketball. Just way more to it than saying it’s only 400 people generating 10 billion.

[Carbine]

You're arguing talent not team fit.

Kyrie on the floor takes a back seat to nobody really. We just saw it with Luka. He basically came onto Lukas team and said step aside in the fourth quarters.

Doesn't mean he is who I want on my basketball team. I actually don't want him on my team. Just like I wouldn't want Westbrook on my team.

Brown creates no drama, is usually always reliable when it comes to playing games (for this era of stars) and is excellent at co existing with other great players. He doesn't take away from Tatum at all.

If we're just talking ability to play basketball we are talking a completely different thing. Which has little to do with team construction.

[Real Men Wear Green]

It may have stemmed from that, but the question became is he a top 30 player and just evaluating basketball? It’s not a stupid question as I thought it was initially. I was just surprised when I started counting off names, and noticed how many of them would not drawn objection from me if a friend of mine preferred him. I may or may not agree but most of those names aren’t worth arguing about.

I don’t think even 5 of them would look like a stupid comparison to make basketball wise. Even less on the same court at the same time.

We aren’t talking a guy who pulls away from the pack. The contract is whatever. He’s an all nba player. Those cost 300 million these days. Nothing to get upset about. Pay it or have worse players.

You probably know by now that I always factor in durability. If we don't then why not say Kawhi Leonard is a top 5 player?

[Kblaze8855]

Never said the players don’t deserve credit or the money. I’m just pointing out that your statement is not giving “credit” to not only the Average Joes who make the games run, but everything behind the scenes within the league, all the way on down to the tax payer who doesn’t even watch basketball. 400 freak athletes aren’t generating shit on their own and are easily replaceable as well. Plenty of stories of talented people getting blackballed, not catching breaks, or wanting to abide to the system so go nowhere. And the ones who do make it wouldn’t have if there wasn’t some sort of public school and park system to actually give kids an infrastructure to play basketball. Just way more to it than saying it’s only 400 people generating 10 billion.


So now we’re crediting the people cleaning up parks for the nba….

Look…if you wanna take issue with crediting the key people who keep a business afloat because they had baby sitters and inspirational people in childhood and got to drive on state owned roads to work you do that.

I’m not crediting the dudes who built the local bridges when a track star who trained by running on them makes it big. I’m just not.

All money coming from society at large staying afloat doesn’t mean important individuals aren’t the ones keeping companies going. Someone has to do…the thing…your company does.

people feeling a need to belittle professions they don’t respect doesn’t mean there is any more cause to credit society at large with their success.

[Full Court]

He's not top 30 I can name 30 players better than him off the top of my head

1. Jokic
2. Durant
3. LeBron
4. Curry
5. AD
6. Luka
7. Giannis
8. Butler
9. Embiid
10. Kawhi
11. Lillard
12. Tatum
13. Shai
14. Mitchell
15. Booker
16. Morant
17. Murray
18. Fox
19. PG
20. Harden
21. Adebayo
22. Holiday
23. Trae
24. Zion
25. Bridges
26. Edwards
27. Brunson
28. Siakam
29. Hailiburton
30. Kyrie

Then you have guys like Sabonis, Ingram, Beal, Demar,Garland, Towns

I don't want to hear about all NBA teams when a lot of that is based on team record ect. Gobert made all NBA 1st team 1 year ffs :oldlol:

Come on, dude. There are at least 8 players on your list who Brown is clearly better than. Brown's pretty comfortably in the top 20.

[Kblaze8855]

You're arguing talent not team fit.

Kyrie on the floor takes a back seat to nobody really. We just saw it with Luka. He basically came onto Lukas team and said step aside in the fourth quarters.

Doesn't mean he is who I want on my basketball team. I actually don't want him on my team. Just like I wouldn't want Westbrook on my team.

Brown creates no drama, is usually always reliable when it comes to playing games (for this era of stars) and is excellent at co existing with other great players. He doesn't take away from Tatum at all.

If we're just talking ability to play basketball we are talking a completely different thing. Which has little to do with team construction.


The fans need to play fantasy GM is one thing…ability to play basketball is another. I’m growing less and less interested in the Former. Fans have been shitting on Hall of Famer’s for at least the past 70 years. Not gonna change now. I’m not getting twisted up my fantasy hypotheticals and what would happen “if” while we give little weight to things that actually did if we don’t like what they suggest.

I’ve seen him not make the playoffs. I’ve seen him absolutely takeover finals games. I’ve seen him win the championship. I’ve seen him go missing for a week.


I’ve seen it all from him. I’ve also never seen anyone more skilled so I don’t k is what to do with that.

whatever fantasy games we are playing with team construction when you put the two on the same basketball court there isn’t much difference which is all I’m talking about

[Kblaze8855]

You probably know by now that I always factor in durability. If we don't then why not say Kawhi Leonard is a top 5 player?

Factor in what you want. 1000 centers have been more durable than Bill Walton. 1000 haven’t been better. We know the difference between those two things.

[RRR3]

I’m not familiar with that.

What is it?
Social democracy. Heavily regulated capitalism/welfare state.

[FultzNationRISE]

Factor in what you want. 1000 centers have been more durable than Bill Walton. 1000 haven’t been better. We know the difference between those two things.

So youre saying that a player who fulfills both criteria to an elite extent must surely be the LeGOAT?

[NBAGOAT]

The league has never been where every team has a supermax guy. 15 ish guys usually have it. Next year it will be 12, year after will be 14. a few young guys who deserve one but can’t get it because they’re on their first contract. Bradley Beal and Paul George were easily the worst guys on a supermax next season. Keep in mind George didn’t have as many injury issues when he signed his extension.

It’s usually not worth but Jazz negotiated a slight discount for gobert. He’s more one dimensional than brown and older but was perennially all-nba. Sabonis also made all nba team and makes closer to 30% max on his new extension. On other side towns did get full supermax extension last offseason tbf

[Manny98]

[QUOTE=Manny98;14815003]He's not top 30 I can name 30 players better than him off the top of my head

1. Jokic
2. Durant
3. LeBron
4. Curry
5. AD
6. Luka
7. Giannis
8. Butler
9. Embiid
10. Kawhi
11. Lillard
12. Tatum
13. Shai
14. Mitchell
giannis at 7

:facepalm

It's not in order just 30 guys off the top of my head

[Manny98]

Who would you knock off his list?

Guy didn't even name Middleton who is bona-fide All Star talent and the Bucks closer. Brown is nice but he doesn't particularly stand out between the other top 15-30 players in the league.
Shit I forgot Middleton who's definitely better than Mr 300 million

[Kblaze8855]

CBS Sports ran the numbers with the locked in salary cap increases in the new CBA and projected the first $400 million player will be SGA when he signs the deal he’s already eligible for now in the summer 2 years from now. When it begins this will be the likely terms



YEAR PROJECTED SALARY


2027-28
$69,701,921


2028-29
$75,278,074


2029-30
$80,854,228


2030-31
$86,430,382


2031-32
$92,006,535


Total
$404,271,140





but in the two years before that people will already be signing for about 376 million. Giannis could sign for like 324 in a few weeks but it’s expected he won’t because he could hold out and get the 376 or something like it. I’m not sure though. That guy is admittedly cheap and wants to guarantee himself as much money as possible so maybe he doesn’t want to risk injury keeping any of it from him.

Either way this deal won’t even be worth talking about in about a year.

Barring injury, both SGA and Jokić will sign for 400 million right after Luka and Trae Young sign for 376.

[Manny98]

CBS Sports ran the numbers with the locked in salary cap increases in the new CBA and projected the first $400 million player will be SGA when he signs the deal he’s already eligible for now in the summer 2 years from now. When it begins this will be the likely terms



YEAR PROJECTED SALARY


2027-28
$69,701,921


2028-29
$75,278,074


2029-30
$80,854,228


2030-31
$86,430,382


2031-32
$92,006,535


Total
$404,271,140





but in the two years before that people will already be signing for about 376 million. Giannis could sign for like 324 in a few weeks but it’s expected he won’t because he could hold out and get the 376 or something like it. I’m not sure though. That guy is admittedly cheap and wants to guarantee himself as much money as possible so maybe he doesn’t want to risk injury keeping any of it from him.

Either way this deal won’t even be worth talking about in about a year.

Barring injury, both SGA and Jokić will sign for 400 million right after Luka and Trae Young sign for 376.
That's crazy, wasn't long ago when the highest earner in the league was Kobe making 25 million a year back in 2013

We might see a billion dollar contract by the end of the decade

[Kblaze8855]

That's crazy, wasn't long ago when the highest earner in the league was Kobe making 25 million a year back in 2013

We might see a billion dollar contract by the end of the decade


Bradley Beals Supermax pay of 57 million will at its highest pay be less of the cap than Keith VanHorn, Michael Finley, Big Z, and Jalen Rose made in 2005. Right around what Brian Grant and Eddie Jones were making. A Supermax will pay like a 3rd or 4th option by the time it’s done.

Believe it or not if he so much as learn to go left Jaylen might be a deal before too long.

[SATAN]

Good work guys!

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[Jasper]

lets put into perspective : 50,000,000 bucks , 1400 shots a year equals 35,000 dollars per shot.

sorry I don't think any pro should take one shot and literally is a yearly income.

[Real Men Wear Green]

lets put into perspective : 50,000,000 bucks , 1400 shots a year equals 35,000 dollars per shot.

sorry I don't think any pro should take one shot and literally is a yearly income.
If it makes you feel any better by that math the rebounds are free.

[Kblaze8855]

I saw a supposed insider saying there were multiple executives around the league wondering why the Celtics didn’t try to talk him down a bit because he’s not even their second best player. One of them apparently believes he’s their fifth best player. I assume they mean Tatum, Porziņģis and Horford. Timelord the other one? A fan or two suggested White.

[Kblaze8855]

I could understand wanting Timelord at like 25 over Jaylen at 50-70 but that isn’t the same as “better”.

[FultzNationRISE]

I saw was supposed inside of saying there were multiple executives around the league wondering why the Celtics didn’t try to talk him down a bit because he’s not even their second best player. One of them apparently believes he’s their fifth best player. I assume they mean Tatum, Porziņģis and Horford. Timelord the other one? A fan or two suggested White.

Our minds are wired to want to order and arrange things, in reality there isnt always a definable difference. Sometimes there is, like comparing Lebron to some random ass player like Dillon Brooks. Then theres a clear better and worse.

But like when people try to compare KG, Dirk, Malone, Barkley etc. Theres no objective form of measuring it, and theyre all within the same general level. One guy might fit better in a certain era, or on a certain team, or with a certain coach. But when you just keep it as broad as “good at basketball” it’s futile to try and deduce a formula for separating them.

Same on a given team. You might have a clear cut most important player, a la Lebron, maybe even two most important players, but theres always a cluster of guys at some point you cant objectively separate in value. If we emphasize post season, Tatum himself has become somewhat overrated due to regular season production and a smattering of statistically good playoff games. But Boston’s success has definitely been about chemistry and depth. This obsession with defining who “the leaders” are and putting them on a pedestal is all too human, and the reason a guy like Jaylen Brown gets a mega deal while lower profile but equally valuable players get much less.

[Jasper]

I saw was supposed inside of saying there were multiple executives around the league wondering why the Celtics didn’t try to talk him down a bit because he’s not even their second best player. One of them apparently believes he’s their fifth best player. I assume they mean Tatum, Porziņģis and Horford. Timelord the other one? A fan or two suggested White.

I wish there was a stat that showed more consistence compared to shooting uneventful , and then when the game is all ready in hand , hits a few threes and looks like a hero= TATUM

Brown was carrying the Celtics most of the time(.)

[Real Men Wear Green]

I saw was supposed inside of saying there were multiple executives around the league wondering why the Celtics didn’t try to talk him down a bit because he’s not even their second best player. One of them apparently believes he’s their fifth best player. I assume they mean Tatum, Porziņģis and Horford. Timelord the other one? A fan or two suggested White.

I'm sure you could find someone that believes any jobs or random opinion. I figure there will be a few games where Porzingis looks like one of the two best players and there are a healthy number of Celtics with the ability to stand out but everyone except for Jasper knows the Celtics rankings at this point.

[nayte]

Good on Jalen. Players should get the most they can imo

[Wardell Curry]

Inflation aside, why are the salaries going up so rapidly? Yes, the TV deals might be getting bigger. But why?

NBA popularity alongside general TV viewing is also in decline.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Inflation aside, why are the salaries going up so rapidly? Yes, the TV deals might be getting bigger. But why?

NBA popularity alongside general TV viewing is also in decline.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-aiming-for-new-tv-deal-worth-75-billion-which-could-lead-to-large-increase-in-salary-cap-per-report/

Also the popularity may be getting misread. Streaming and YouTube vids are how a lot of fans consume their NBA not just cable TV.

[Kblaze8855]

Inflation aside, why are the salaries going up so rapidly? Yes, the TV deals might be getting bigger. But why?

NBA popularity alongside general TV viewing is also in decline.

so I don’t have to type this out again….






That’s what I’ve been trying to explain to people having a hard time understanding we’re all this money comes from and why owners don’t care for the last couple years. There’s a lot more money in 500 million people having the means to watch you through a paid subscription than you make having 20 million people watching commercials you don’t get the money from.

Abc doesn’t pay the nba ad dollars directly. It pays for the right to air games that hopefully generate ad dollars. Amazon and apple on the other hand eventually will pay for the right to air games…and support it through subscription fees. Don’t even need you to watch. Just need you to buy the option. And you could buy Apple TV to watch Ted Lasso. They’d never know why you have it. Just that you do.

Sports leagues are getting into that money. The NBA finals could do Super Bowl ratings and all it gives them is negotiating power on the next rate deal. They don’t get paid more for it at the moment. They stopped thinking the way fans thought they did a long time ago.

It’s a near bottomless well as long as everyone’s fighting for content to monetize a billion bored people who all stream shit. They don’t need your eyes anymore. They need you to give your debit card info to some app that doesn’t even care if you watch them play.




Long story short, there was more money than ever because the Internet lets them reach more people than ever. 20 million people don’t need to watch when 200 million pay for the OPTION to watch and 100 million more interact with your product digitally in some way.

The real money began when they realized ratings hardly matter at all and shifted to monetizing the internet and streaming platforms.

[FultzNationRISE]

so I don’t have to type this out again….






Long story short, there was more money than ever because the Internet lets them reach more people than ever. 20 million people don’t need to watch when 200 million pay for the OPTION to watch and 100 million more interact with your product digitally in some way.

The real money began when they realized ratings hardly matter at all and shifted to monetizing the internet and streaming platforms.


This is bullshit.

The real reason is that every year, more and more people around the world fall in love with Lebron. And that loyalty to His royalty is what sustains the NBA as a league in general.

Lebron James IS basketball.

[Charlie Sheen]

This is the NBA not soccer. Boston doesn't have the freedom to post JB for a transfer fee and turn around distributing those resources buying players to better complement Tatum.

The Celtics are championship contenders whether you like Jaylen Brown or not. 2 conference finals and 1 finals in the last 3 years is the reality. It would be foolish for Boston not to pay him.

[Lebron23]

He is now worth it

[Neal Romer]

He is now worth it


My ***** :applause:


Great to see you Louie.

[Norcaliblunt]

So now we’re crediting the people cleaning up parks for the nba….

Look…if you wanna take issue with crediting the key people who keep a business afloat because they had baby sitters and inspirational people in childhood and got to drive on state owned roads to work you do that.

I’m not crediting the dudes who built the local bridges when a track star who trained by running on them makes it big. I’m just not.

All money coming from society at large staying afloat doesn’t mean important individuals aren’t the ones keeping companies going. Someone has to do…the thing…your company does.

people feeling a need to belittle professions they don’t respect doesn’t mean there is any more cause to credit society at large with their success.

Lmao. You literally said it only takes 400 people for the NBA to generate billions. That’s just objectively and verifiably false.

[FKAri]

Paying money to watch OTHER people play basketball. Cuckoldry. smh

[90sgoat]

Lmao. You literally said it only takes 400 people for the NBA to generate billions. That’s just objectively and verifiably false.

What sets the NBA apart is objectively not the bball but the insane production quality. It turns the sport into a spectacle. NBA production value is just insanely much better than anything in the world not Champions League soccer perhaps.

This was always the issue with Euroleague etc, only nerds would pay to watch, because it just looked like tall people running around, there was no real sense of the spectacle.

[Norcaliblunt]

What sets the NBA apart is objectively not the bball but the insane production quality. It turns the sport into a spectacle. NBA production value is just insanely much better than anything in the world not Champions League soccer perhaps.

This was always the issue with Euroleague etc, only nerds would pay to watch, because it just looked like tall people running around, there was no real sense of the spectacle.

For real. The production and marketing teams alone are probably thousands of people deep working their asses off. No one watches the game and no one makes any money if no one produces or markets it lol. Hell without the technical and marketing side the NBA probably doesn't generate shit. While without the NBA the same producers and marketers can use their skills to generate money in other forms of media and entertainment.