MJ is at least 3 times richer than Lebron despite being out of public eye for 20 yrs

[3ba11]

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it's always been a fake debate.. If it was a real debate, we would be comparing Lebron's 3-peat(s) with the Cavs, Heat or Lakers to Jordan's 3-peats..

But instead, Lebron fans must make excuses for his vastly inferior winning and performance/accolade (half the ring or MVP frequency), or invent myths to inflate his greatness:



1) He makes everyone better (many teammates cratered alongside him and were reduced to spot-up roles, aka lower APG and higher assisted rate for most teammates - these spot-up roles never developed a single young player to significant producer in 20 years, aka zero teammate development in 2 decades)

2) He has all-time bball IQ (never played the best brand of ball like Spurs, Warriors, Nuggets, or Mavs and had bad fits with many teammates).

3) He "plays 5 positions" (bad fits with many teammates disprove this, along with a point guard hold-time and assisted rate)

4) He carries teams to the Finals (he only won 45 games in Year 5 before getting all-star spacing in 2009 that his stiff-arm needs - he still couldn't win East with homecourt in 09/10, so he gave up and teamed up with opponents thereafter.. Meanwhile, Kyrie played 12 of 14 games in 15' East Playoffs, while Love was a rare all-star sidekick in the 18' East, so the only time Lebron took a 1-star team to the Finals was when everyone else was doing it like Iverson, Kidd, or Dwight).

[Carbine]

Give Lebron another 20 years to build his wealth and he will eclipse Jordan easily.

[3ba11]

Give Lebron another 20 years to build his wealth and he will eclipse Jordan easily.


MJ has a 3 billion headstart to make that money work for him - it's called compound interest - Lebron can NEVER catch the GOAT... :oldlol:

And MJ did it all organically - set the trend and standard that everyone follows

[RRR3]

You've been reduced to comparing their incomes :lol

[Axe]

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[jlip]

Yeah. Sure. MJ is "out of the public eye".

[Real Men Wear Green]

If you manage to approach billionaire status before the age of 40 after growing up homeless you've done extremely well for yourself. I guarantee Lebron james has never made a thread about OP.

[3ba11]

You've been reduced to comparing their incomes :lol


Lebron's manufactured brand won't stand the test of time, while MJ's organic behemoth has an unshakeable foundation of lottery team to goat dynasty (rags-to-riches) - an authentic hard grind and overcoming obstacles - and underdog story - no team-ups to stack the deck and cheat code.. that's why MJ is considered a winner, while people don't refer to Lebron in the same way because he simply isn't associated with it

[RRR3]

Lebron's manufactured brand won't stand the test of time, while MJ's organic behemoth has an unshakeable foundation of lottery team to goat dynasty (rags-to-riches) - an authentic hard grind and overcoming obstacles - and underdog story - no team-ups to stack the deck and cheat code.. that's why MJ is considered a winner, while people don't refer to Lebron in the same way because he simply isn't associated with it
Guess LeBron will have to settle for being consensus top 2 all time.

[3ba11]

If you manage to approach billionaire status before the age of 40 after growing up homeless you've done extremely well for yourself. I guarantee Lebron james has never made a thread about OP.


Lebron moved into the community leader's house at 10 years old (coach's house) and was coddled thereafter and viewed as the chosen one - he wasn't even allowed to fight on the blacktop as his friends would jump in to protect the future star.. That's why we never saw him get in fisticuiffs for 20 years in the NBA - he's literally never been in a fight and expects to be coddled..

Like, I get that he didn't have a Dad or whatever, but being a generational athlete easily overcomes that by a mile.. My own Dad would be willing to give me up if he knew that I would have 1 billion and generational wealth - any sane Dad would want that for their seed and family tree.. If this was 1970, then maybe there's a small chance that he would be like Earl Manigault or something and never get discovered, but not in the modern era.

After being coddled throughout high school and given Hummers, Lebron was given generational wealth before having to prove himself on the professional court, so there was no real pressure - he was good either way and was able to set up his empire before taking a single NBA dribble...

Then he was allowed to brazenly team up with opponents (talent-based winning) after failing to win the conference with homecourt, aka he's just a talent-based winner (all-star team strategy) that never learned how to actually win and play effective basketball/chemistry, aka organic - it's a continuation of his AAU-deck-stacking days.

So he's the most coddled star ever and never reached expectation because no one expected rookie Lebron to eventually give up and team up with opponents thereafter.. Giving up on competing and simply teaming up with opponents or hand-picking the preseason favorite is the definition of failing expectation.. Certainly his perennial underdog status with superteams, or falling from the on-paper favorite (preseason favorite) to underdog once the weak chemistry is revealed, or never winning 60 games with super-teams from 2011-2017 except once - all of this is an underachievement of the expectation.

[3ba11]

Guess LeBron will have to settle for being consensus top 2 all time.


lol.. Numerous guys will win 3+ chips like KD, Joker, Giannis and Kawhi, so all of these guys will eventually be compared to Lebron and make his ranking vague, aka top 5 or 10 instead of #2

this is intuitive.. And his continued losing each year and statistical decline/getting carried won't help things.

[RRR3]

lol.. Numerous guys will win 3+ chips like KD, Joker, Giannis and Kawhi, so all of these guys will eventually be compared to Lebron and make his ranking vague, aka top 5 or 10 instead of #2

this is intuitive.. And his continued losing each year and statistical decline/getting carried won't help things.
No matter who surpasses LeBron in the future, he'll always be ahead of your real hero Kobe. And that tears you up inside.

[ShawkFactory]

Lebron's manufactured brand won't stand the test of time, while MJ's organic behemoth has an unshakeable foundation of lottery team to goat dynasty (rags-to-riches) - an authentic hard grind and overcoming obstacles - and underdog story - no team-ups to stack the deck and cheat code.. that's why MJ is considered a winner, while people don't refer to Lebron in the same way because he simply isn't associated with it

Every brand is manufactured. Literally.

The dictionary definition of “brand” is: a type of product manufactured by a particular company under a particular name.

[3ba11]

Every brand is manufactured. Literally.

The dictionary definition of “brand” is: a type of product manufactured by a particular company under a particular name.


Instead of persevering after failing to win the conference, Lebron put the top 3 first options in the conference on 1 team - that's the definition of manufacturing a resume and the brand follows the fake resume.. He literally failed to win and then teamed up with opponents - that's manufacturing a resume and brand.. MJ didn't do that and neither did Curry - these guys made their own brand out of nothing but organic winning and era-changing basketball (best brand of their era) - they didn't team up with opponents to manufacture a fake resume and brand.

[Kblaze8855]

Lebron has a good chance to be a major owner of the Vegas expansion. Entirely possible it drives his worth up similar to Jordan. Wouldn’t be shocking.

[3ba11]

Lebron has a good chance to be a major owner of the Vegas expansion. Entirely possible it drives his worth up similar to Jordan. Wouldn’t be shocking.


It wouldn't be shocking but he's still an underdog to do it if Jordan's great track record of investing continues to pad his solid headstart

And Lebron wouldn't even have the idea to own an NBA team if MJ didn't lay the foundation and be a ground-breaker for everything

[ShawkFactory]

Lebron has a good chance to be a major owner of the Vegas expansion. Entirely possible it drives his worth up similar to Jordan. Wouldn’t be shocking.

Sure but he teamed with other first options so would that really count?

[3ba11]

Sure but he teamed with other first options so would that really count?


his desire to own a team is from his desire to copy jordan - he thinks that he needs to own a team to match Jordan, instead of doing something else that's just as impressive and that's his own thing (not just a copycat of jordan)

Despite Lebron's efforts to copy Jordan, he can't develop a "pippen" like Hughes, Ingram, or Westbrook - Lebron didn't copy that from MJ because he lacked sufficient basketball skill to do it... Instead of developing "pippens", his skillset develops "dellys" by imposing spot-up roles - he produces at the expense of teammate development, teammate stats and team ceiling/Finals record.

it's sad that this intuitive reality is missed by so many hoops fans who learn their hoops knowledge from cable TV

[3ba11]

Lebron actually had a massive headstart by getting $100 million at 18 years old, while MJ didn't make that kind of money until he was 35 or so.. So Lebron sucks compared to MJ at hoops and money

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Does anyone deny Jordan has been a more popular player?

He’s the most marketable athlete of all time.

Who denies this? Is there actually a large contingent of people that do?

You’re talking about fake debates while literally peddling one LOL.

[Full Court]

I don't measure people by their wealth, so this is a silly discussion in my opinion.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Lebron actually had a massive headstart by getting $100 million at 18 years old, while MJ didn't make that kind of money until he was 35 or so.. So Lebron sucks compared to MJ at hoops and money

Why are you such a massive ****? Feel free to answer that question later.

[nayte]

This thread is beyond stupid mod above me. Just shut it down?

[90sgoat]

MJ bought a low profile club in his home state.

Just sat on it, didn't make himself the face of the franchise. Barely showed up for games.

Pocketed a couple billion in 10 years. Legit an investing masterpiece.

Unlike dumbass russian oligarchs or narcissistic rappers like Jay-Z.

MJ on that Donald Sterling program.

Probably all good that he sold now. If Charlotte had continued being that poorly run, the league would have given him the Sterling run around, probably some #metoo bs.

[Phoenix]

Does anyone deny Jordan has been a more popular player?

He’s the most marketable athlete of all time.

Who denies this? Is there actually a large contingent of people that do?

You’re talking about fake debates while literally peddling one LOL.

You've likely noticed that 3nutball likes to create threads arguing things that nobody was actually debating about.

[r15mohd]

Lebron actually had a massive headstart by getting $100 million at 18 years old, while MJ didn't make that kind of money until he was 35 or so.. So Lebron sucks compared to MJ at hoops and money

teenager, who sucks at bball, is gifted $100 mil by age 18. how horrendous!!

i wouldnt be surprised if your income views are just as bad as your bball takes - based on the few posts, yup, not surprised lol

[Hey Yo]

You've been reduced to comparing their incomes :lol

That's cause he thinks Peja can't destroy him again on this subject.

[Hey Yo]

It wouldn't be shocking but he's still an underdog to do it if Jordan's great track record of investing continues to pad his solid headstart

And Lebron wouldn't even have the idea to own an NBA team if MJ didn't lay the foundation and be a ground-breaker for everything

MJ layed the foundation for a 7-59 record in 2012.

[Axe]

This thread is beyond stupid mod above me. Just shut it down?
What a backfire lmao.

[Johnny32]

That's nice but on the court MJ is a worse/less efficient scorer than LBJ, a worse rebounder, a worse playmaker and passer, a worse/less versatile defender, a worse leader wIth lower basketball iq...who's also 4 inches shorter and 60 lbs lighter.

Not my goat.

[Full Court]

That's nice but on the court MJ is a worse/less efficient scorer than LBJ, a worse rebounder, a worse playmaker and passer, a worse/less versatile defender, a worse leader wIth lower basketball iq...who's also 4 inches shorter and 60 lbs lighter.

Not my goat.

"worse scorer..."

10 scoring titles to 1. Still holds the playoff game scoring record.

:roll:

Desperate Bronie fluffers are so cute. Keep showing off that low IQ of yours.

:lebroncry:

[Hey Yo]

LOL @ 10 stat padding titles.

[tontoz]

OP just a heads up, it probably isn't a good idea to bring up Charlotte.

[Full Court]

OP just a heads up, it probably isn't a good idea to bring up Charlotte.

He made a killing on the deal......I think the wealth discussion is just silly, but if you're going to go there, he did make a crap ton of money with Charlotte.

[SATAN]

Arguing about other people's money is not cool man.

[tontoz]

He made a killing on the deal......I think the wealth discussion is just silly, but if you're going to go there, he did make a crap ton of money with Charlotte.

He might have made more if it wasn't for his awful draft record.

[Real Men Wear Green]

It's wrong headed to even engage in this debate. The unimportant details to discussed:

Both men are fabulously wealthy.

Both men for that money off of being the most popular player in the NBA.

Because one guy is old enough to be the other guy's father he's had a longer time to accumulate wealth. Neither guy had anything to worry about financially.

If you insist in engaging in this beaten to death MJ vs Lebron debate this isn't the place to take it to. Accumulating wealth is a side effect of a player's greatness. It does not prove it. Making money has to do with a lot of factors that have nothing to do with how great a career someone had. Plenty of guys in the Hall of Fame had to sell things like championship rings later in life to get their grandkids through college or just put food on the table. Does anyone other than me point at the contract as a justification to say Jaylen Brown is greater than D Wade? Of course not. This thread is extremely petty. The OP... well I won't say what I really think about the OP because my true thoughts on how he should be dealt with are possibly illegal. But this thread is done of the worst crap you can post with a G rating.

[jlip]

Yeah. Sure. MJ is "out of the public eye".

I'm still trying to figure out when did this ever happen.

[Wardell Curry]

It's wrong headed to even engage in this debate. The unimportant details to discussed:

Both men are fabulously wealthy.

Both men for that money off of being the most popular player in the NBA.

Because one guy is old enough to be the other guy's father he's had a longer time to accumulate wealth. Neither guy had anything to worry about financially.

If you insist in engaging in this beaten to death MJ vs Lebron debate this isn't the place to take it to. Accumulating wealth is a side effect of a player's greatness. It does not prove it. Making money has to do with a lot of factors that have nothing to do with how great a career someone had. Plenty of guys in the Hall of Fame had to sell things like championship rings later in life to get their grandkids through college or just put food on the table. Does anyone other than me point at the contract as a justification to say Jaylen Brown is greater than D Wade? Of course not. This thread is extremely petty. The OP... well I won't say what I really think about the OP because my true thoughts on how he should be dealt with are possibly illegal. But this thread is done of the worst crap you can post with a G rating.

Yeah. This thread is weird. What is even the point here? lol. This isn't about basketball with this guy though. We all already knew though. It's likely not even a "real person."

[Phoenix]

Really pointless thread but Lebron being a billionaire before 40, it's not hard to figure he's gonna multiply that several times over by the time he gets to 60( MJ's age) once he transitions into his media mogul/team ownership phase, which is quite obviously what his post-NBA days will be.

[Axe]

He might have made more if it wasn't for his awful draft record.
This.

[3ba11]

That's nice but on the court MJ is a worse/less efficient scorer than LBJ, a worse rebounder, a worse playmaker and passer, a worse/less versatile defender, a worse leader wIth lower basketball iq...who's also 4 inches shorter and 60 lbs lighter.

Not my goat.


Shooting efficiency falls under the umbrella of efficiency per possession (ortg), where Jordan's is higher because Lebron can't take care of the ball (all-time turnover leader)..

And Lebron's shooting efficiency is based on a ball-dominant rim attack that sacrifices ball movement, team offense, and winning compared to Jordan's expert jumpshooting that yielded better chemistry, strategy and winning.. So efficiency doesn't really matter unless it's a significant gap, which it isn't..

And in addition to a bad brand of ball, Lebron's efficiency was also boosted by having equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention, while MJ had to defeat max defensive attention (carry scoring load).

Of course, Lebron wasn't all-defense in his 30's, so he wasn't required to be a good defender for half his chips - versatility doesn't equal good defense and Lebron's lack of all-defense in his 30's shows that he sucked on defense compared to Mike.. Regarding bball IQ, Lebron's ball-dominant skillset imposes spot-up roles (low IQ), so he doesn't know how to move the ball (play and facilitate ball movement (play off-ball) or fit with all player types and develop young players..

So you're wrong on every count.