The trans debate is the greatest cultural issue of our time

[Baller234]

At least 25-30% of the country, and a staggering percentage of Gen-Z, believe that gender is just something you choose you are. That there are no discernible differences between a man and a woman.

They have their hand in government, in education and in media. Institutional leverage which grants them the power to influence the masses. Especially the youth.

This is more than your standard political division. This is a debate over fundamental truth itself.

If we cannot agree on the meaning of language, and we cannot agree on what a man or a woman is, I just don't see how that society can co-exist peacefully. That sounds like it's going to be a major problem.

I would really not want to live in such a country. So yea, I have no problem with any politician (right or left) that decides to campaign on this issue and treat it like it's important. It's okay to chew gum and walk in a straight line.

[ShawkFactory]

At least 25-30% of the country, and a staggering percentage of Gen-Z, believe that gender is just something you choose you are. That there are no discernible differences between a man and a woman.

They have their hand in government, in education and in media. Institutional leverage which grants them the power to influence the masses. Especially the youth.

This is more than your standard political division. This is a debate over fundamental truth itself.

If we cannot agree on the meaning of language, and we cannot agree on what a man or a woman is, I just don't see how that society can co-exist peacefully. That sounds like it's going to be a major problem.

I would really not want to live in such a country. So yea, I have no problem with any politician (right or left) that decides to campaign on this issue and treat it like it's important. It's okay to chew gum and walk in a straight line.

You're thinking of sex, which you don't choose.

Gender focuses on cultural or social construction of sexes.

By definition.

[Baller234]

You're thinking of sex, which you don't choose.

Gender focuses on cultural or social construction of sexes.

By definition.

Okay then, if being a woman is different from being a female... then tell us what a woman is.

Tell us what makes a woman and a man different.

Be specific.

[ShawkFactory]

Okay then, if being a woman is different from being a female... then tell us what a woman is.

Tell us what makes a woman and a man different.

Be specific.

I think you think my views on this are different than they actually are. But if you're going to have an honest and productive discussion about the topic you should probably get the basics right and be open to seeing the other side.

It doesn't seem like you are, so there isn't really a point to having this conversation with you.

[Baller234]

I think you think my views on this are different than they actually are. But if you're going to have an honest and productive discussion about the topic you should probably get the basics right and be open to seeing the other side.

It doesn't seem like you are, so there isn't really a point to having this conversation with you.

You chose to reply to my post and insert yourself into the conversation all by yourself. Nobody forced you to engage with me.

You made a declarative statement. You said I was wrong about gender, therefore it is perfectly reasonable of me ask these questions. If you're going to say that we're wrong about gender, then you are obligated to correct us.

I say a woman and a female are one and the same. If you disagree with this, then you are free to explain why. Otherwise STFU and don't respond in the thread.

[ShawkFactory]

You chose to reply to my post and insert yourself into the conversation all by yourself. Nobody forced you to engage with me.

You made a declarative statement. You said I was wrong about gender, therefore it is perfectly reasonable of me ask these questions. If you're going to say that we're wrong about gender, then you are obligated to correct us.

I say a woman and a female are one and the same. If you disagree with this, then you are free to explain why. Otherwise STFU and don't respond in the thread.

It's different by definition. I don't need to make the argument..

But because you've asked, a female is someone who has the biological sexual organs/hormones/etc. of a female. A woman is someone who typically displays female characteristics biologically but also who also performs socially as someone we have deemed to be female, on top of having a self-identification of such constructs. Therefore there is more fluidity and nuance involved.

[Baller234]

It's different by definition. I don't need to make the argument..

So then you're saying a woman and a female are not the same thing then.

[Patrick Chewing]

Gender and sex are really one in the same because a man cannot become a woman and vice versa. If you have male genitalia, you are a man. If you have female genitalia, you are a woman.


This conversation really doesn't have to go beyond that. And yet, here we are.

[ShawkFactory]

So then you're saying a woman and a female are not the same thing then.

I made more of the post. I view it like the square is always a rectangle but a rectangle is not necessarily a square. Since we have developed both mentally and socially, there are more components to being a woman than being female even though there is obviously overlap.

[FultzNationRISE]

The Romans were polytheists and built a great civilization. Europeans were monotheists and built great civilizations.

By definition at least one of these society’s fundamental ‘truth’ had to be wrong. Yet neither was encumbered from achieving.

You can treat truth and narrative differently. You can let someone have a narrative even if you dont believe it’s the truth. It actually fosters better social cooperation.

Not everyone is gonna be a billionaire. Not everyone can do the things others do. If you publicly define happiness or success on narrow terms, objective or not, it leaves a lot of people out and creates tumult and instability. If some people can find happiness by pursuing life as a monk in a monastery or as a drag queen at a gay bar... so be it. That allows them to be satisfied, while you pursue whatever matters to you. And people can work together that way.

I agree with you in the scientific sense of the topic. But society probably functions BEST when every truth isnt foisted upon everyone (at least not at once), but rather left available to those who wish to pursue it, while others can pursue narratives that motivate them.

[crosstin]

The Romans were polytheists and built a great civilization. Europeans were monotheists and built great civilizations.

By definition at least one of these society’s fundamental ‘truth’ had to be wrong. Yet neither was encumbered from achieving.

You can treat truth and narrative differently. You can let someone have a narrative even if you dont believe it’s the truth. It actually fosters better social cooperation.

Not everyone is gonna be a billionaire. Not everyone can do the things others do. If you publicly define happiness or success on narrow terms, objective or not, it leaves a lot of people out and creates tumult and instability. If some people can find happiness by pursuing life as a monk in a monastery or as a drag queen at a gay bar... so be it. That allows them to be satisfied, while you pursue whatever matters to you. And people can work together that way.

I agree with you in the scientific sense of the topic. But society probably functions BEST when every truth isnt foisted upon everyone (at least not at once), but rather left available to those who wish to pursue it, while others can pursue narratives that motivate them.

Deep

[fsvr54]

if you believe in that shit you are a stupid fakkit, straight up.

It's nothing to be debated or understood. Shawk is a loser

[ShawkFactory]

The Romans were polytheists and built a great civilization. Europeans were monotheists and built great civilizations.

By definition at least one of these society’s fundamental ‘truth’ had to be wrong. Yet neither was encumbered from achieving.

You can treat truth and narrative differently. You can let someone have a narrative even if you dont believe it’s the truth. It actually fosters better social cooperation.

Not everyone is gonna be a billionaire. Not everyone can do the things others do. If you publicly define happiness or success on narrow terms, objective or not, it leaves a lot of people out and creates tumult and instability. If some people can find happiness by pursuing life as a monk in a monastery or as a drag queen at a gay bar... so be it. That allows them to be satisfied, while you pursue whatever matters to you. And people can work together that way.

I agree with you in the scientific sense of the topic. But society probably functions BEST when every truth isnt foisted upon everyone (at least not at once), but rather left available to those who wish to pursue it, while others can pursue narratives that motivate them.

Well you could argue that both instances in the example you've give are narratives rather than one or the other being a fundamental truth. But this applies to most things in life and I agree with your general sentiment that a harmonious society typically allows people to find happiness with whatever 'truths' work best for them. Of course there are limits to this, but this issue is not one of them to me.

[ShawkFactory]

if you believe in that shit you are a stupid fakkit, straight up.

It's nothing to be debated or understood. Shawk is a loser

:roll:

[crosstin]

You're thinking of sex, which you don't choose.

Gender focuses on cultural or social construction of sexes.

By definition.

Notation: by definition from the 1970s onward.

[ShawkFactory]

Notation: by definition from the 1970s onward.

If you want to argue that the definition is a modern contrivance then have at it. But that's a slippery slope that I would expect people who have this opinion to follow across all instances of this (but suspect that they wouldn't if the tables were turned).

[Lakers Legend#32]

Gender and sex are really one in the same because a man cannot become a woman and vice versa. If you have male genitalia, you are a man. If you have female genitalia, you are a woman.


This conversation really doesn't have to go beyond that. And yet, here we are.

Poopsie putting his GED education to work.

[FultzNationRISE]

Well you could argue that both instances in the example you've give are narratives rather than one or the other being a fundamental truth. But this applies to most things in life and I agree with your general sentiment that a harmonious society typically allows people to find happiness with whatever 'truths' work best for them. Of course there are limits to this, but this issue is not one of them to me.

From a scientific perspective there are things we can essentially consider “true” for all practical scientific purposes. Doctors, engineers, chemists etc all count on a number of things being objectively true to do their work. A heart drug that affects men and women differently doesnt care how someone identifies. And in that case people need to know what the truth is and whether they should take it.

Social views tend to be more subjective. When people bend a scientific truth to fit a social narrative, thats where you sort of have a divergence, and thats fine.

But again, in a way I think it’s good to have alternative narratives, and people pushing back on them respectively. It gives everyone a sense of pursuit of the truth as they see it. It keeps people going. A one-size-fits-all narrative wouldnt exactly do that, and it would likely lead to chaos. Ideological debate and evolution keep us occupied and distracted in ways we ultimately like to be. I think both sides should be free to voice opinions.

[ShawkFactory]

From a scientific perspective there are things we can essentially consider “true” for all practical scientific purposes. Doctors, engineers, chemists etc all count on a number of things being objectively true to do their work. A heart drug that affects men and women differently doesnt care how someone identifies. And in that case people need to know what the truth is and whether they should take it.

Social views tend to be more subjective. When people bend a scientific truth to fit a social narrative, thats where you sort of have a divergence, and thats fine.

But again, in a way I think it’s good to have alternative narratives, and people pushing back on them respectively. It gives everyone a sense of pursuit of the truth as they see it. It keeps people going. A one-size-fits-all narrative wouldnt exactly do that, and it would likely lead to chaos. Ideological debate and evolution keep us occupied and distracted in ways we ultimately like to be. I think both sides should be free to voice opinions.

Okay, and that's fine. But regarding this being the biggest social issue of our time...I believe that is completely invented. The harm that this actually causes pales in comparison to other issues we've had. If people like OP would STFU and let people do their thing, and people on the other side of the coin would realize that some people just aren't going to understand and STFU and just do their thing then this issue goes away completely. People wouldn't push the narrative if it wasn't opposed, and people wouldn't oppose the narrative if it wasn't pushed. And both sides predictably think that the other side "started it". The coals have already been loaded and who knows how to stop it but I really don't view it as a big deal fundamentally.

[Baller234]

It's different by definition. I don't need to make the argument..

But because you've asked, a female is someone who has the biological sexual organs/hormones/etc. of a female. A woman is someone who typically displays female characteristics biologically but also who also performs socially as someone we have deemed to be female, on top of having a self-identification of such constructs. Therefore there is more fluidity and nuance involved.

What do you mean "fluidity"? Either the distinction between man and woman is clear or it isn't.

This is why gender divorced from sex is total nonsense. The only differences between men and women ARE biological. In fact once you ignore our biological differences, we are mostly the same. We all share the same feelings and emotions. We all share similar hobbies and interests. It's not like there's one singular character trait that's exclusive to just men or women. There are men who enjoy sewing and knitting, there are women who enjoy beer and football.

If we ignore the biological differences between men and women, the labels themselves become utterly meaningless. There's not even a point in referring to someone as a man or a woman because the terms might as well be interchangeable.

[Baller234]

Okay, and that's fine. But regarding this being the biggest social issue of our time...I believe that is completely invented. The harm that this actually causes pales in comparison to other issues we've had. If people like OP would STFU and let people do their thing, and people on the other side of the coin would realize that some people just aren't going to understand and STFU and just do their thing then this issue goes away completely. People wouldn't push the narrative if it wasn't opposed, and people wouldn't oppose the narrative if it wasn't pushed. And both sides predictably think that the other side "started it". The coals have already been loaded and who knows how to stop it but I really don't view it as a big deal fundamentally.

Lol.

Nobody was debating the definition of the words "man" and "woman" until progressive weirdos started forcing the issue. You guys are clearly the ones who started this mess.

We were fine.

[ShawkFactory]

Lol.

Nobody was debating the definition of the words "man" and "woman" until progressive weirdos started forcing the issue. You guys are clearly the ones who started this mess.

We were fine.

Did they force the issue? The argument can be made that the matter wasn't an issue until someone who did or thought something was met with outrage. Again, you see if from your side and it looks like you (as predicted) blame the other side.

If you decided to not care about this then you would all still be fine.

[Media Moderator]

Gender dysphoria is a disease. All you people getting mad at trans people are barking up the wrong tree. You need to feel sorry for them. Anger only traumatizes them or worse, creates the victimhood many crave.

Worth noting
Mental illness by race in order
Hispanic
Black
White
Asian

Trans prevalence by race
Hispanic
Black
White
Asian

Mentally ill people are much more likely to become trans. Likewise trans people are much more likely to develop mental illness. Mental illness and trans people go hand in hand. Feel sorry for them, don't be mad, just feel how fortunate you are you aren't in their shoes. :(

[Baller234]

Did they force the issue? The argument can be made that the matter wasn't an issue until someone who did or thought something was met with outrage. Again, you see if from your side and it looks like you (as predicted) blame the other side.

If you decided to not care about this then you would all still be fine.

Yes, allowing men to compete in women's sports is forcing the issue.

Allowing men to serve their jail sentence in female prisons is forcing the issue.

[Dbrog]

Gender dysphoria is a disease. All you people getting mad at trans people are barking up the wrong tree. You need to feel sorry for them. Anger only traumatizes them or worse, creates the victimhood many crave.

Worth noting
Mental illness by race in order
Hispanic
Black
White
Asian

Trans prevalence by race
Hispanic
Black
White
Asian

Mentally ill people are much more likely to become trans. Likewise trans people are much more likely to develop mental illness. Mental illness and trans people go hand in hand. Feel sorry for them, don't be mad, just feel how fortunate you are you aren't in their shoes. :(

The comorbidity with various mental disorders is off the charts compared to non-trans groups. Here's a lit review of 37 studies from 2015-2020...it's pretty eye opening if you really have the time to read the study.

https://scholars.direct/Articles/psychiatry/jptr-3-007.php?jid=psychiatry

Not completely discussed in this, there is a lot of data stating significant numbers of trans people are either autistic or have borderline personality disorder

[Norcaliblunt]

This issue or debate isn’t anything new under the sun. People have been playing with the concept of gender and exploring sexuality forever. A lot of us were bumping “Dude Looks Like a Lady” hair band mofos wearing make up with frizzy hair in spandex. As children no less. Lol. Cross dressing and switching up gender aesthetics is old school. Goes way back.

What’s new is the drugs and medical science. That is the real “cultural issue” and “debate” of our lifetime. How much are we gonna let doctors mutate us? But this goes way beyond “genders”.

[Baller234]

This issue or debate isn’t anything new under the sun. People have been playing with the concept of gender and exploring sexuality forever. A lot of us were bumping “Dude Looks Like a Lady” hair band mofos wearing make up with frizzy hair in spandex. As children no less. Lol. Cross dressing and switching up gender aesthetics is old school. Goes way back.

What’s new is the drugs and medical science. That is the real “cultural issue” and “debate” of our lifetime. How much are we gonna let doctors mutate us? But this goes way beyond “genders”.

Uh, clearly we aren't talking about the same thing.

There is a stark difference between a man presenting himself as a woman on the outside, and a man being recognized as a woman both in the public eye and under the court of law.

[Norcaliblunt]

Uh, clearly we aren't talking about the same thing.

There is a stark difference between a man presenting himself as a woman on the outside, and a man being recognized as a woman both in the public eye and under the court of law.

You know I’ve never thought about the court stuff until now actually. Lol. And maybe trans people hold the key to personal sovereignty and breaking free from that all CAPITAL LETTER NAME that the state owns thus making you a slave. My mind is blown now.

Seriously. Real personal sovereignty libertarian mofos need to support trans people breaking the court system because it will set you free.

[ShawkFactory]

Yes, allowing men to compete in women's sports is forcing the issue.

Allowing men to serve their jail sentence in female prisons is forcing the issue.

See that's where I agree. I vehemently oppose trans women being allowed to compete in women's sports. The prison one is slightly less of an issue for me but I can certainly agree there.

These are minor topics (although large talking points) within the grander scheme of this though. Most trans people are not athletes.

If that part were to go away would you not care anymore?

[Baller234]

See that's where I agree. I vehemently oppose trans women being allowed to compete in women's sports. The prison one is slightly less of an issue for me but I can certainly agree there.

These are minor topics (although large talking points) within the grander scheme of this though. Most trans people are not athletes.

If that part were to go away would you not care anymore?

How is it a minor topic? If men are entitled to compete in women's sports, why wouldn't they be entitled to other rights and protections as well?

You're basically advocating for the erasure of female only spaces.

[ShawkFactory]

How is it a minor topic? If men are entitled to compete in women's sports, why wouldn't they be entitled to other rights and protections as well?

You're basically advocating for the erasure of female only spaces.

Did you even read what I said? You're arguing too emotionally about this.

[Baller234]

Did you even read what I said? You're arguing too emotionally about this.

Who's being emotional? I'm simply telling you what your words imply.

If we follow your train of thought to it's logical end, it would mean the end of female-only spaces. Male-only spaces too for that matter.

That's just a fact. That's why this issue is important.

[ShawkFactory]

Who's being emotional? I'm simply telling you what your words imply.

If we follow your train of thought to it's logical end, it would mean the end of female-only spaces. Male-only spaces too for that matter.

That's just a fact. That's why this issue is important.

How about my actual words:


See that's where I agree. I vehemently oppose trans women being allowed to compete in women's sports

People like you, and others with radical thoughts on the subject on the other end of the spectrum may think it's impossible the be pro-trans and anti trans in female sports. *Pro-trans meaning believing in their right to do what they will with themselves, and potentially learning and be sympathetic to what people like that are going through*

Trust me, it isn't black and white and believing both things is possible.

In my opinion, only when a happy medium from both ends is found will an actual harmonious and more importantly practical solution be implemented. People are more reasonable when they don't feel attacked. This is true across the board.

[Baller234]

How about my actual words:



People like you, and others with radical thoughts on the subject on the other end of the spectrum may think it's impossible the be pro-trans and anti trans in female sports. *Pro-trans meaning believing in their right to do what they will with themselves, and potentially learning and be sympathetic to what people like that are going through*

Trust me, it isn't black and white and believing both things is possible.

In my opinion, only when a happy medium from both ends is found will an actual harmonious and more importantly practical solution be implemented. People are more reasonable when they don't feel attacked. This is true across the board.

You're misrepresenting my argument entirely, as expected.

Trans people are free to live their lives and present themselves on the outside however they want. I couldn't stop them from doing that even if I wanted to, which I don't. The problem arises if and only if you force us to recognize them as something they aren't, especially under the court of law.

A trans woman should not have to the right to partake in female-only spaces, whether it is sports or otherwise. If you believe that is a "radical" opinion to hold, then maybe you're the extremist here.

[ShawkFactory]

You're misrepresenting my argument entirely, as expected.

Trans people are free to live their lives and present themselves on the outside however they want. I couldn't stop them from doing that even if I wanted to, which I don't. The problem arises if and only if you force us to recognize them as something they aren't, especially under the court of law.

A trans woman should not have to the right to partake in female-only spaces, whether it is sports or otherwise. If you believe that is a "radical" opinion to hold, then maybe you're the extremist here.

I've never said that that is the case, based on what you've cleared up. I've actually agreed with that take multiple times.

I don't think that our opinions on the matter really differ all that much then.

[Baller234]

I've never said that that is the case, based on what you've cleared up. I've actually agreed with that take multiple times.

I don't think that our opinions on the matter really differ all that much then.

I'm not sure. You came in here insisting that a woman and a female weren't the same thing.

[ShawkFactory]

I'm not sure. You came in here insisting that a woman and a female weren't the same thing.

I stand by that. There's heavy overlap but there are differences that have already been mentioned, and at times are worth noting. But it's honestly not all that important at this point because our general sentiment when it comes to legality is the same.

If your initial post was what you said in your previous one then you would have gotten no argument from me. But you didn't :confusedshrug:

[Baller234]

I stand by that. There's heavy overlap but there are differences that have already been mentioned, and at times are worth noting. But it's honestly not all that important at this point because our general sentiment when it comes to legality is the same.

If your initial post was what you said in your previous one then you would have gotten no argument from me. But you didn't :confusedshrug:

What's the difference between a female and a woman then?

Describe the type of woman that isn't a female. Be specific.

[iamgine]

Both sides are correct and wrong.

Biological sex can't be chosen. You're either male or female. Both sides agree on this.

Gender however, is indeed fluid. This is what one side got wrong. Gender IS subjective. No ifs and buts about it. You can be male, female, or the other 996,754 other genders in the universe.

However, this does not entitle you to enforce your subjectivity on others. Society has to work based on something. You can't be a 360 lbs male and feel like a female and enter girl's toilets. Or enter girl's boxing match. If you're a boy and feel like a girl and you want to join the girl's sleepover party, you can ask nicely. Not barge in and demand it is your right to join. This is what the other side got wrong.

By the way, I have seen the argument that if gender is subjective, then is age also subjective? The answer is yes it is. Biological age is not subjective but age is subjective. You can be 17 and feel 70. Doesn't give you the right to demand discount on senior buffet.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Desantis has made bashing the LGBTQ community the centerpiece of his campaign. Now he is barely hanging on in the race.

[Baller234]

Both sides are correct and wrong.

Biological sex can't be chosen. You're either male or female. Both sides agree on this.

Gender however, is indeed fluid. This is what one side got wrong. Gender IS subjective. No ifs and buts about it. You can be male, female, or the other 996,754 other genders in the universe.

However, this does not entitle you to enforce your subjectivity on others. Society has to work based on something. You can't be a 360 lbs male and feel like a female and enter girl's toilets. Or enter girl's boxing match. If you're a boy and feel like a girl and you want to join the girl's sleepover party, you can ask nicely. Not barge in and demand it is your right to join. This is what the other side got wrong.

By the way, I have seen the argument that if gender is subjective, then is age also subjective? The answer is yes it is. Biological age is not subjective but age is subjective. You can be 17 and feel 70. Doesn't give you the right to demand discount on senior buffet.

Gender can't be fluid because it is linked to sex.

Gender has never, ever been divorced from sex. There is no such thing a male woman or a female man.

[iamgine]

Gender can't be fluid because it is linked to sex.

Gender has never, ever been divorced from sex. There is no such thing a male woman or a female man.

That's where one side is mistaken. Meaning of a word can evolve in society.

[Baller234]

That's where one side is mistaken. Meaning of a word can evolve in society.

Okay, explain the new meaning then.

What is a woman?

[iamgine]

Okay, explain the new meaning then.

What is a woman?

To me it's an adult female.

[Baller234]

To me it's an adult female.

Right, I'm glad you agree.

But if people are going to insist we're wrong, or that a word can "evolve" and take new meaning, then they are obligated to provide that new meaning.

They cannot, because deep down they are aware that this is all nonsense.

[iamgine]

Right, I'm glad you agree.

But if people are going to insist we're wrong, or that a word can "evolve" and take new meaning, then they are obligated to provide that new meaning.

They cannot, because deep down they are aware that this is all nonsense. Well words do evolve though. Something subjective have different meaning for different people. Like marriage. Some say only man and woman. Some say it include gays.

[Baller234]

Well words do evolve though. Something subjective have different meaning for different people. Like marriage. Some say only man and woman. Some say it include gays.

Okay, but both sides have a clear case they are trying to make. One side insists marriage is a union between husband and wife, one side insists marriage is a union between two spouses of any kind. The arguments are loud and clear, they just happen to disagree.

When it comes to the issue of gender, one side says a woman is an adult human female... while the other side can't even form a coherent sentence. They can't even provide their own definition.

[iamgine]

Okay, but both sides have a clear case they are trying to make. One side insists marriage is a union between husband and wife, one side insists marriage is a union between two spouses of any kind. The arguments are loud and clear, they just happen to disagree.

When it comes to the issue of gender, one side says a woman is an adult human female... while the other side can't even form a coherent sentence. They can't even provide their own definition.

I think it's also a clear case on the issue of gender. One side says there's only one definition. The other says it's up to each individual. I like the Matt Walshian tactic as much as anybody to enforce my own view but he's playing semantics on those dumb crazy people.

[Baller234]

I think it's also a clear case on the issue of gender. One side says there's only one definition. The other says it's up to each individual. I like the Matt Walshian tactic as much as anybody to enforce my own view but he's playing semantics on those dumb crazy people.

If a word means something different to everyone, then the word is rendered meaningless.

That's not how language works. Language is shared. In order to communicate with each other, we need to agree on the meaning of the words we are using.

If you don't want anyone to know what you're talking about because you think it's more important to have your own special language that only you can understand, there are padded rooms for that.

[iamgine]

If a word means something different to everyone, then the word is rendered meaningless.

That's not how language works. Language is shared. In order to communicate with each other, we need to agree on the meaning of the words we are using.

If you don't want anyone to know what you're talking about because you think it's more important to have your own special language that only you can understand, there are padded rooms for that.

That's incorrect. As long as it's understood, agreement is not too important. Like gay marriage, maybe I don't agree there's such a thing. But as long as I understand it, the meaning is pretty clear when it's communicated to me.

[Baller234]

That's incorrect. As long as it's understood, agreement is not too important. Like gay marriage, maybe I don't agree there's such a thing. But as long as I understand it, the meaning is pretty clear when it's communicated to me.

But it's not understood. Nobody on that side of the fence can explain what a man or a woman is, or what makes them unique and different from one another. It's all just word salad.

[theman93]

Really it's a war on truth. I think we can all agree that truth is what corresponds with reality. So then that begs the question -- how do you know what is real? If it's mere empiricism, then your relying on your senses to validate your senses which is circular logic and reduces to absurdity.

[Patrick Chewing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xo0zH_9ido

When they try to explain what they believe in, all they do is fumble on their words. They have no idea what they believe in and why they believe in what they believe in. When you push back on these "there are a million" gender people, they all of a sudden forget how to talk and say "umm" a lot. It's quite comical.

[Norcaliblunt]

The problem arises if and only if you force us to recognize them as something they aren't, especially under the court of law.


The state and it’s courts are the ones forcing you to recognize yourself as something you are not which is a straw man. That all capital letter name on your ID isn’t really you.

What’s crazy to me is trans people might be doing more for self ownership conservatism than anybody ever has.




If a word means something different to everyone, then the word is rendered meaningless.

That's not how language works. Language is shared. In order to communicate with each other, we need to agree on the meaning of the words we are using.

If you don't want anyone to know what you're talking about because you think it's more important to have your own special language that only you can understand, there are padded rooms for that.

Dude the same words have all sorts of different meanings. Especially when it comes to law. That’s why they have a whole other dictionary. Literally their own language to manipulate shit. Lmao.

Homie you are really clueless to how much of this world is just made up. Law and that kind of language is straight word magick.

[Norcaliblunt]

What is interesting is you will commonly hear men say the phrase “you don’t become a man until you do x, y, or z”. Pretty much implying that a man is something you become and are not born being. I understand it is usually used in reference to a boy growing up in some way, but again that kind of language is very clear that a man is something more than just having the genitalia.

[Patrick Chewing]

What is interesting is you will commonly here men say the phrase “you don’t become a man until you do x, y, or z”. Pretty much implying that a man is something you become and are not born being. I understand it is usually used in reference to a boy growing up in some way, but again that kind of language is very clear that a man is something more than just having the genitalia.

Right, but only a boy can become a Man. You don't tell your little daughter one day that she's becoming more and more of a Man. Or, you don't tell her that you're proud of the Man she's become.


So a Man = Adult male

Woman = Adult female



Everything else is just a jumbled mess of our own creation.

[Baller234]

What is interesting is you will commonly hear men say the phrase “you don’t become a man until you do x, y, or z”. Pretty much implying that a man is something you become and are not born being. I understand it is usually used in reference to a boy growing up in some way, but again that kind of language is very clear that a man is something more than just having the genitalia.

Okay, prove it then.

Explain what makes someone a man and not a woman, without referring to biology or genitalia.

[Norcaliblunt]

Right, but only a boy can become a Man. You don't tell your little daughter one day that she's becoming more and more of a Man. Or, you don't tell her that you're proud of the Man she's become.


So a Man = Adult male

Woman = Adult female



Everything else is just a jumbled mess of our own creation.


https://youtu.be/1fr1iyhkyVs

[ArbitraryWater]

You're thinking of sex, which you don't choose.

Gender focuses on cultural or social construction of sexes.

By definition.


I know you like to play the neutral, reasonable role, but youre way out of your element here.

You cant actually expain this at all.

"cultural or social construction of sexes" how much of a ****ing dweeb are you to believe this shit?

[Norcaliblunt]

Okay, prove it then.

Explain what makes someone a man and not a woman, without referring to biology or genitalia.


I don’t believe in this notion you have to “become” a man. I’m just referring to a common theme a lot of straight laced people will promote. Which is men are made and not all males are men. This isn’t some trans agenda stuff. This is traditional thought processes for some people.

And we’ve all met male beyatches. You know what I’m talking about.

[ShawkFactory]

I know you like to play the neutral, reasonable role, but youre way out of your element here.

You cant actually expain this at all.

"cultural or social construction of sexes" how much of a ****ing dweeb are you to believe this shit?

Sure I can, and have. The self-identification and general social performance aspects of it are wrapped into the discussion. If you don't believe that they are then that is fine. You don't have to agree.

It's not that deep.

[Dbrog]

Right, I'm glad you agree.

But if people are going to insist we're wrong, or that a word can "evolve" and take new meaning, then they are obligated to provide that new meaning.

They cannot, because deep down they are aware that this is all nonsense.

I think the issue here is you can't or won't accept their meaning when they tell you. The irony is you have a bunch of people in this thread who actually have the same view as you on trans who are trying to show you the blindspots of your own argument and instead of exploring this, you double down and parrot words you've heard on youtube shorts about "WOKE LOSER GETS OWNED," something you get upset at that side for doing.

The real point here is there is a large percent of the population, which only appears to be growing, who believes it is suitable and reasonable to define gender as how someone defines themselves based on social factors relating to biological sex. You aren't going to change their position by trying to "reason" with them just as they aren't going to change yours by trying to "reason" with you. I get it though...it's hard to accept that the more traditional life we knew, is likely dead forever

[ArbitraryWater]

Sure I can, and have. The self-identification and general social performance aspects of it are wrapped into the discussion. If you don't believe that they are then that is fine. You don't have to agree.

It's not that deep.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CvmkEVau7S6/


Here, did she explain it for you?


lmao

[ArbitraryWater]

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cv4i-D9ukLu/


Ignorant Moroccoans

seem to not know this gender sex distinction

[Norcaliblunt]

So are you dudes really acting like you have never seen a man act like a bitch? Lmao.

[ShawkFactory]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CvmkEVau7S6/


Here, did she explain it for you?


lmao

So you post somebody who isn't even you parroting the bland version of the discussion from the other side that has already been had in this very thread...and you think this is like ownage or something?

We know how you feel on the subject, and based on your history you clearly aren't someone willing to consider anything ever unless perhaps it closely aligns with what you already think.

Is what it is. We can move on.

[ArbitraryWater]

Sure I can, and have. The self-identification and general social performance aspects of it are wrapped into the discussion. If you don't believe that they are then that is fine. You don't have to agree.

It's not that deep.


So you post somebody who isn't even you parroting the bland version of the discussion from the other side that has already been had in this very thread...and you think this is like ownage or something?

We know how you feel on the subject, and based on your history you clearly aren't someone willing to consider anything ever unless perhaps it closely aligns with what you already think.

Is what it is. We can move on.


It is that deep and we shoudnt move on at all just cause you feel silly for your opinion, because it affects all form of life and confuses chidren.

Because professions, job hirings and roles are based and linked to gender (what you refer to as "sex") and the various inherent physical and behaviour/abiity differences between men and women, so if you believe that "identifying" as the other gender is legitimate and erases/transmits those inherent differences, youre an idiot and contributing to this flawed society.

There is absolutely no relevance to what you identify as.

What significance is there to it?

It doesnt exist in any form of reality because it cant have any actual outcomes.

"Gender is this, sex is this, blah blah"

If you put 50 men and 50 trans women on an island, whats gonna happen?


None of your self-identification/general societal performance bullshit will matter. It isnt real. Its delusion.


You entertain this delusion and enable it by not taking a strong stance. Repent asap.

[ShawkFactory]

It is that deep and we shoudnt move on at all just cause you feel silly for your opinion, because it affects all form of life and confuses chidren.

Because professions, job hirings and roles are based and linked to various inherent physical and behaviour/abiity differences between men and women, so if you believe that "identifying" as the other gender is legitimate and erases/transmits those inherent differences, youre an idiot and contributing to this flawed society.

There is absolutely no relevance to what you identify as.

What significance is there to it?

It doesnt exist in any form of reality because it cant have any actual outcomes.

"Gender is this, sex is this, blah blah"

If you put 50 men and 50 trans women on an island, whats gonna happen?


None of your self-identification/general societal performance bullshit will matter. It isnt real. Its delusion.


You entertain this delusion and enable it by not taking a strong stance. Repent asap.

I don't feel silly about it. Trust me.

It's just everything I would say to you I've already said and I don't feel the need to repeat myself. Other than, there are so many aspects of humanity concocted in self-interest. Most of what we hold dear to us currently is based in delusion. You just want to pick and choose where the line is for yourself.

You'll never agree and I'm not torn up about it.

[Patrick Chewing]

So are you dudes really acting like you have never seen a man act like a bitch? Lmao.

Doesn't mean he can get pregnant.

[Norcaliblunt]

I think steroid abuse and bodybuilding actually have a lot in common with the transgender issue.

It is all a bunch of people using drugs to mutate themselves into something they are naturally not. People psychologically not satisfied with one’s own body, and pushing the boundaries of what is possible biologically and philosophically to achieve an inner peace.

[Norcaliblunt]

Doesn't mean he can get pregnant.

Yeah but I say that in context to the question of describing a man or woman without using biology.

We all know when a man is acting like a woman. Yeah he can’t have babies, isn’t wearing a dress, but we all know when a dude is being a bitch.

[tpols]

Trust me, it isn't black and white and believing both things is possible.


Uh... yes it is.

You're either born a male or female. Believing you're something you're blatantly not is a mental illness just like drug addiction, alcoholism, schizophrenia, bipolar etc. It's a mental disconnect from physical reality.

The difference is with the latter we recognize it and try to treat it, but with transgender ism aka extreme body dysmorphia the mental illness is somehow embraced and if you try to say or suggest otherwise you're demonized.

It honestly doesn't surprise me shawk is on the wrong side of almost every debate. :lol

[ShawkFactory]

Uh... yes it is.

You're either born a male or female. Believing you're something you're blatantly not is a mental illness just like drug addiction, alcoholism, schizophrenia, bipolar etc. It's a mental disconnect from physical reality.

The difference is with the latter we recognize it and try to treat it, but with transgender ism aka extreme body dysmorphia the mental illness is somehow embraced and if you try to say or suggest otherwise you're demonized.

It honestly doesn't surprise me shawk is on the wrong side of almost every debate. :lol

You mean the "side" that you aren't on? I said side in quotes because most of the debates you engage in are incoherent and you wander to places where no one even is.

[theman93]

Sure I can, and have. The self-identification and general social performance aspects of it are wrapped into the discussion. If you don't believe that they are then that is fine. You don't have to agree.

It's not that deep.

Well it's a discussion of objective vs subjective truth, which is a standard outside of what they believe. When you peel away objective truth from society it will crumble. Society can't operate in contradictions. It's logical absurdity.

[Norcaliblunt]

Uh... yes it is.

You're either born a male or female. Believing you're something you're blatantly not is a mental illness just like drug addiction, alcoholism, schizophrenia, bipolar etc. It's a mental disconnect from physical reality.

The difference is with the latter we recognize it and try to treat it, but with transgender ism aka extreme body dysmorphia the mental illness is somehow embraced and if you try to say or suggest otherwise you're demonized.

It honestly doesn't surprise me shawk is on the wrong side of almost every debate. :lol

It’s more complicated than that. Yeah the food, the schools, and the medical system have made everyone more mentally ill, but a lot of that weird unisex dual personality shit goes back to ancient times. What we would consider “trans” today were shamans and healers, because they could understand both sexes. Shits really deep actually. Lol.

[tpols]

You mean the "side" that you aren't on? I said side in quotes because most of the debates you engage in are incoherent and you wander to places where no one even is.

I mean you're just generally wrong on most things bro. You can't even differentiate between a male and a female and expect us to take you seriously elsewhere?


...lol

[tpols]

I think steroid abuse and bodybuilding actually have a lot in common with the transgender issue.

It is all a bunch of people using drugs to mutate themselves into something they are naturally not. People psychologically not satisfied with one’s own body, and pushing the boundaries of what is possible biologically and philosophically to achieve an inner peace.

Current body builders do suffer from big time body dysmorphia and the never ending addiction to getting bigger. I believe the term used to describe them is mega-rexia as opposed to anorexia which is the deadliest mental disorder by age and mortality rate.

The point though is it's all mental disorder. Body builders have gotten way more heat for their unhealthy lifestyle than trans have because its seen as easier for a 300lb hulk to defend himself than a dude that wears skirts and makeup and ties his hair in pig tails. One group is clearly more vulnerable than the other.

Bottom line trying to disfigure what your natural frame is to an extreme degree is a body dysmorphia mental illness.

[ShawkFactory]

Well it's a discussion of objective vs subjective truth, which is a standard outside of what they believe. When you peel away objective truth from society it will crumble. Society can't operate in contradictions. It's logical absurdity.

Happens ALL the time, my friend. This is a particularly tedious one and requires a line of thinking that some people don't have (and understandably so).

It's new and it's weird but there are far bigger issues at hand that will cause society to crumble.

[theman93]

Happens ALL the time, my friend. This is a particularly tedious one and requires a line of thinking that some people don't have (and understandably so).

It's new and it's weird but there are far bigger issues at hand that will cause society to crumble.

Ok, so is truth objective or subjective?

[ShawkFactory]

I mean you're just generally wrong on most things bro. You can't even differentiate between a male and a female and expect us to take you seriously elsewhere?


...lol

I'll give you this one, even though I've made my points. Care to describe any others? And if so, care to make a counter argument?

I mean a real one, not a rambling nonsensical one that you normally make and then dip out because you know you've not made sense.

[Spuddywebby]

It's different by definition. I don't need to make the argument..

But because you've asked, a female is someone who has the biological sexual organs/hormones/etc. of a female. A woman is someone who typically displays female characteristics biologically but also who also performs socially as someone we have deemed to be female, on top of having a self-identification of such constructs. Therefore there is more fluidity and nuance involved.

So you believe that a biological male that self identifies as a woman and performs socially as such should have access to biological female spaces (bathrooms/spas/lockers/sports etc) ?

[ShawkFactory]

Ok, so is truth objective or subjective?

It's an interesting question. By definition objective.

I'm taking this particular argument completely out of the equation here, but I think there are a lot of truths that we have developed and come to accept as objective over time that perhaps weren't always.

[ShawkFactory]

So you believe that a biological male that self identifies as a woman and performs socially as such should have access to biological female spaces (bathrooms/spas/lockers/sports etc) ?

No, I've never said that. I've said the opposite actually with a couple of those.

Accepting that people are going to do this is the first step in my eyes. The rules and restrictions (i.e stringent hormone checks for those competing in sports, separate bathrooms, etc.) will ideally be compromised on later.

[tpols]

It’s more complicated than that. Yeah the food, the schools, and the medical system have made everyone more mentally ill, but a lot of that weird unisex dual personality shit goes back to ancient times. What we would consider “trans” today were shamans and healers, because they could understand both sexes. Shits really deep actually. Lol.

I have heard of stuff like that in ancient India Hindu society or whatever. But let's face it.... trans people of today aren't shamans or healers. They're mentally disabled people screaming for attention with no spiritual or healing background whatsoever.

[theman93]

It's an interesting question. By definition objective.

I'm taking this particular argument completely out of the equation here, but I think there are a lot of truths that we have developed and come to accept as objective over time that perhaps weren't always.

Great. So what someone self-identifies as is irrelevant to objective truth.

So then what makes your definition of a woman you gave earlier in the thread objectively true? For convenience here was your definition - "someone who typically displays female characteristics biologically but also who also performs socially as someone we have deemed to be female, on top of having a self-identification of such constructs."

[ShawkFactory]

Great. So what someone self-identifies as is irrelevant to objective truth.

So then what makes your definition of a woman you gave earlier in the thread objectively true? For convenience here was your definition - "someone who typically displays female characteristics biologically but also who also performs socially as someone we have deemed to be female, on top of having a self-identification of such constructs."

Well now that the hole has fully been dug lol...what prevents that from being a truthful aspect of the term (being gender)? You can say it shouldn't be a subjective term, and that's fine. But that was literally all my initial argument was.

[theman93]

Well now that the hole has fully been dug lol...what prevents that from being a truthful aspect of the term (being gender)? You can say it shouldn't be a subjective term, and that's fine. But that was literally all my initial argument was.

Because gender is rooted in the objectivity of biology. According to you, gender isn't ultimately rooted in anything and is fluid. Yet somehow you're arguing truth is objective?

[Norcaliblunt]

I have heard of stuff like that in ancient India Hindu society or whatever. But let's face it.... trans people of today aren't shamans or healers. They're mentally disabled people screaming for attention with no spiritual or healing background whatsoever.

I agree it’s mostly mental and if people had proper nutrition / exercise a lot of this would go away.

The problem with labeling it as a mental illness or a disorder and telling people what they are experiencing isn’t real, is that you’re basically throwing them right back into the screwed up medical system that promotes this shit.

Yeah it may be a mental illness but the way they treat mental illness is messed up and counter productive. A lot of times skitzo’s are better left alone or allowed to believe what they are experiencing is real. It’s the drugs and medical manipulation that makes it worse.

[JohnnySic]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3oJoWgW0AAZ3kh?format=webp&name=small

[ArbitraryWater]

I'll give you this one, even though I've made my points. Care to describe any others? And if so, care to make a counter argument?

I mean a real one, not a rambling nonsensical one that you normally make and then dip out because you know you've not made sense.


How about you make a counter argument to this:


It is that deep and we shoudnt move on at all just cause you feel silly for your opinion, because it affects all form of life and confuses chidren.

Because professions, job hirings and roles are based and linked to gender (what you refer to as "sex") and the various inherent physical and behaviour/abiity differences between men and women, so if you believe that "identifying" as the other gender is legitimate and erases/transmits those inherent differences, youre an idiot and contributing to this flawed society.

There is absolutely no relevance to what you identify as.

What significance is there to it?

It doesnt exist in any form of reality because it cant have any actual outcomes.

"Gender is this, sex is this, blah blah"

If you put 50 men and 50 trans women on an island, whats gonna happen?


None of your self-identification/general societal performance bullshit will matter. It isnt real. Its delusion.


You entertain this delusion and enable it by not taking a strong stance. Repent asap.


?


A of a sudden asking for a counter argument.. lol

[Norcaliblunt]

Idk. If the biggest concern is SPORTS integrity that’s pretty hilarious IMO.

Number one. Sports are already rigged

Number two. Everyone is already pumping themself full of hormones for competitive advantage.


Oh and three, it is also just a freaking game. Lmao.

[HylianNightmare]

Just need to ask people what genitals they have at this ooint

[ShawkFactory]

Fine...


Because professions, job hirings and roles are based and linked to gender (what you refer to as "sex") and the various inherent physical and behaviour/abiity differences between men and women, so if you believe that "identifying" as the other gender is legitimate and erases/transmits those inherent differences, youre an idiot and contributing to this flawed society.

I am more than open to having conversations as it pertains to each of these, and I think it is important that we do so in the near future. I've already addressed this. You just haven't seen it because you don't want to.


There is absolutely no relevance to what you identify as.

Sure there is. That is if you want a truly harmonious society.


What significance is there to it?

It doesnt exist in any form of reality because it cant have any actual outcomes.

"Gender is this, sex is this, blah blah"

If you put 50 men and 50 trans women on an island, whats gonna happen?


None of your self-identification/general societal performance bullshit will matter. It isnt real. Its delusion.


Here's where it gets amusing to me. Your "if we were on an island" argument is complete folly as things stand within developed societies. Why is anything illegal then? Do you think 100 starving people on an island will care about theft, murder, rape, etc.?

If you want to use the "we're all animals after all" fine but be prepared to use it at all times and not just when you feel like it. Or risk being called a hypocrite.

[Baller234]

I think the issue here is you can't or won't accept their meaning when they tell you.

Bullshit.

Nobody in this thread who is on that side of aisle has yet to explain what separates a man from a woman. Either the two terms are interchangeable or they both refer to something different. You can't have it both ways.

Apples and oranges are both fruits, but we can easily describe what makes them unique. They both have their own set of distinct features ranging from color, shape, texture, taste, etc. Nobody is ever going to confuse an apple for an orange.

You guys insist that man and woman are both gender types, but you won't describe what makes them different. There are no "requirements" to being either a man or a woman according to you guys, so they become meaningless interchangeable labels.



Translation:

It's all bullshit. :oldlol:

[Baller234]

Idk. If the biggest concern is SPORTS integrity that’s pretty hilarious IMO.

Number one. Sports are already rigged

Number two. Everyone is already pumping themself full of hormones for competitive advantage.


Oh and three, it is also just a freaking game. Lmao.

No response necessary to this.

Just want all the libs on team blue to see who they're standing with.

[Spuddywebby]

Idk. If the biggest concern is SPORTS integrity that’s pretty hilarious IMO.

Number one. Sports are already rigged

Number two. Everyone is already pumping themself full of hormones for competitive advantage.


Oh and three, it is also just a freaking game. Lmao.

Nothing to do with rigged or not. Find a world record in any endurance/strength/speed sport that a woman holds over a man. Whatever social construct you assign to “gender”, biology is not subjective. Men’s hearts/chest/muscles etc are all larger them women.

In terms of it being just a freaking game, setting aside the 15 year old girl competing against a 15 year old boy in a physical sport and getting harmed or the high school girl that misses on a scholarship to a trans girl, once we allow that trans women are the same as biological women in sports, then it has to be allowed everywhere. Trans women then have to be allowed in all women’s spaces, they need to be considered in things like contracts that business/government hand out to women owned businesses and hundreds of other things that we haven’t even thought off. All the while, giving biological women zero voice in this decision. The same women whose mother’s/grandmothers fought for the women’s rights movements that teams want to now take over.

[theman93]

Nothing to do with rigged or not. Find a world record in any endurance/strength/speed sport that a woman holds over a man. Whatever social construct you assign to “gender”, biology is not subjective. Men’s hearts/chest/muscles etc are all larger them women.

In terms of it being just a freaking game, setting aside the 15 year old girl competing against a 15 year old boy in a physical sport and getting harmed or the high school girl that misses on a scholarship to a trans girl, once we allow that trans women are the same as biological women in sports, then it has to be allowed everywhere. Trans women then have to be allowed in all women’s spaces, they need to be considered in things like contracts that business/government hand out to women owned businesses and hundreds of other things that we haven’t even thought off. All the while, giving biological women zero voice in this decision. The same women whose mother’s/grandmothers fought for the women’s rights movements that teams want to now take over.

Why stop at gender identification though? Let's let people age identify too. Why not let 11 year olds identify as 40 year olds and get behind the wheel? What about race? Why not let a white man identify as a black man and give him the benefits of affirmative action. All just social constructs after all.

[Dbrog]

Bullshit.

Nobody in this thread who is on that side of aisle has yet to explain what separates a man from a woman. Either the two terms are interchangeable or they both refer to something different. You can't have it both ways.

Apples and oranges are both fruits, but we can easily describe what makes them unique. They both have their own set of distinct features ranging from color, shape, texture, taste, etc. Nobody is ever going to confuse an apple for an orange.

You guys insist that man and woman are both gender types, but you won't describe what makes them different. There are no "requirements" to being either a man or a woman according to you guys, so they become meaningless interchangeable labels.



Translation:

It's all bullshit. :oldlol:

You should look back at some pages then. People have given you their explanations but then you respond with something like "you still used the biological sex in their definition." You aren't seeing the nuance of what they are saying. My personal opinion is some people on that side WANT them to become meaningless interchangeable labels. You are already seeing it where there are "gender fluid" people who essentially "bring out" different genders for certain situations or for certain moods.

Again personal opinion is now outspoken people in that group who have large mental disorders like Borderline or Bipolar have HUGE audiences, especially gen z, that are eating this up on tiktok. We are now literally imitating mental disorders without being aware of it...pretty sad tbh but it would explain the meteoric rise in percentages for rare social dynamics or mental disorders. I'm actually a mental health counselor and the stats are quite clear and consistent that even a prominent mood disorder like Major Depressive Disorder only affects roughly 10-20% of people. When you are talking personality disorders, we are talking less than 3%, sometimes around 1%. There's no way other than socially that we could have shifted those numbers so profoundly in less than a decade.

[Spuddywebby]

Why stop at gender identification though? Let's let people age identify too. Why not let 11 year olds identify as 40 year olds and get behind the wheel? What about race? Why not let a white man identify as a black man and give him the benefits of affirmative action. All just social constructs after all.

One of the craziest things was the Rachel Do..whatever her name was. She was a white woman who had spent a years if not decades living as a black person, working in black organizations, dating black men etc etc. Yet progressives thought she was a huge joke/appropriator etc. But someone can be a man for 50 plus years, turns into a woman from one day to the next, and should be afforded all the rights/privileges of a woman.

[ArbitraryWater]

Fine...



I am more than open to having conversations as it pertains to each of these, and I think it is important that we do so in the near future. I've already addressed this. You just haven't seen it because you don't want to.



Sure there is. That is if you want a truly harmonious society.




Here's where it gets amusing to me. Your "if we were on an island" argument is complete folly as things stand within developed societies. Why is anything illegal then? Do you think 100 starving people on an island will care about theft, murder, rape, etc.?

If you want to use the "we're all animals after all" fine but be prepared to use it at all times and not just when you feel like it. Or risk being called a hypocrite.

I dont get it. You havent adressed or said a single thing here. You just said it would be right for a „harmonious“ society.



What benefit does your self-identified „gender“ serve?



How do you not see that your definition of gender is a completely made up, unnatural concept?

Why should it have the credence to interfere with actual events based on science (like sports, bath rooms, etc)?

[Baller234]

I dont get it. You havent adressed or said a single thing here. You just said it would be right for a „harmonious“ society.



What benefit does your self-identified „gender“ serve?



How do you not see that your definition of gender is a completely made up, unnatural concept?

Why should it have the credence to interfere with actual events based on science (like sports, bath rooms, etc)?

They know they can't make sense of their arguments. They haven't truly accepted this ideology, they are just comfortable submitting to it.

Disagreeing would suggest they're intolerant evil bigots, therefore they don't have to justify what they're saying. They just assume that the other side is wrong and work backwards from that.

[ShawkFactory]

I dont get it. You havent adressed or said a single thing here. You just said it would be right for a „harmonious“ society.



What benefit does your self-identified „gender“ serve?



How do you not see that your definition of gender is a completely made up, unnatural concept?

Why should it have the credence to interfere with actual events based on science (like sports, bath rooms, etc)?

That is very clear.

[ShawkFactory]

They know they can't make sense of their arguments. They haven't truly accepted this ideology, they are just comfortable submitting to it.

Disagreeing would suggest they're intolerant evil bigots, therefore they don't have to justify what they're saying. They just assume that the other side is wrong and work backwards from that.

Sure, thats what’s happening here.

[Baller234]

Sure, thats what’s happening here.

Of course it is.

Why else would you pretend to not know what a woman is? :oldlol:

[tpols]

Idk. If the biggest concern is SPORTS integrity that’s pretty hilarious IMO.

Number one. Sports are already rigged

Number two. Everyone is already pumping themself full of hormones for competitive advantage.


Oh and three, it is also just a freaking game. Lmao.

Tbh everything is rigged. Sports is just a small microcosm of it. But while we're living in this matrix it makes sense to achieve balance. Letting dudes compete against women in athletic endeavors just because they slap a wig on their heads and take some pills is kinda absurd.

[John8204]

This issue of man/woman sex versus gender issue is generally nonsense. Their is a biological basis for sex and a sociological basis for gender. Sociology is a science and transgenders exist in society I have two of them in my family (one MTF the other FTM). Ofcourse this issue always focuses on men who transition into becoming women and ignore the massive spectrum of women who live as men. But that is neither here nor there.

I don't really care about sports but I do care about a polictical side in this country that wishes to strip transgenders of their basic civil rights. And I also care about a health care system that is refusing gender affirming care because teenagers are "children".

As for the notion of "safe spaces" for women if you are referring to locker rooms and showers it's not a hard fix to put modesty standards. We did after all change bathrooms for handicapped people without issues. Sadly we are so divided in this country that basic competency is lost when ones can profit from hate.

[ArbitraryWater]

That is very clear.

Youre literally incapable of having a discussion about this :oldlol:

Never seen you take a "we wont agree anyway" stance so quickly and run. Try to actually defend your viewpoint.



What benefit does your self-identified „gender“ serve?



How do you not see that your definition of gender is a completely made up, unnatural concept?

Why should it have the credence to interfere with actual events based on science (like sports, bath rooms, etc)? Or even be allowed to be a complete annoyance to everday life?

[ArbitraryWater]

I like that were not seeing existence is pain here, even HE knows this more than 2 genders argument is retarded :lol

[Norcaliblunt]

Not that long ago women weren’t even competing in sports. Lol.

Women's athletics could end tomorrow and nothing significant would change in the world.

And y’all wanna base the “cultural issue” of our time on something as meaningless as woman’s sports? Lmao.

You can’t make this shit up. The greatest thing to happen to woman’s sports is probably men coming in to compete. Actually got y’all talking about it.

A lot more scary stuff than the “woman’s sports” aspect of this conversation. Lol.

[Baller234]

This issue of man/woman sex versus gender issue is generally nonsense. Their is a biological basis for sex and a sociological basis for gender.

Okay, then I will ask you what I ask everyone else.

Explain what a man and a woman is. Explain what makes them unique and different without referring to anything biological.

Back up this claim.

[Spuddywebby]

This issue of man/woman sex versus gender issue is generally nonsense. Their is a biological basis for sex and a sociological basis for gender. Sociology is a science and transgenders exist in society I have two of them in my family (one MTF the other FTM). Ofcourse this issue always focuses on men who transition into becoming women and ignore the massive spectrum of women who live as men. But that is neither here nor there.

I don't really care about sports but I do care about a polictical side in this country that wishes to strip transgenders of their basic civil rights. And I also care about a health care system that is refusing gender affirming care because teenagers are "children".

As for the notion of "safe spaces" for women if you are referring to locker rooms and showers it's not a hard fix to put modesty standards. We did after all change bathrooms for handicapped people without issues. Sadly we are so divided in this country that basic competency is lost when ones can profit from hate.


The issues focuses on the men that transition because those are the ones that are attempting to participate in women’s sports, access women’s private spaces. A question I would ask is, why aren’t their trans men looking to get into men’s sports?

What civil rights that heterosexuals have that people are looking to take away from transgender people?

Handicapped and transgender are obviously two very different issues. I am sure you are aware of the male genitila intact trans woman that exposed herself to a locker room full of biological woman in a YMCA if I recall. Complaints were lodged, she was arrested and released with no charges. Is it fair to the other women to be exposed to a trans woman’s male genitilia? Should those biological women have a voice in that matter? And if we go down that route, then shouldn’t we get rid of public indecency laws?

[John8204]

The issues focuses on the men that transition because those are the ones that are attempting to participate in women’s sports, access women’s private spaces. A question I would ask is, why aren’t their trans men looking to get into men’s sports?

What civil rights that heterosexuals have that people are looking to take away from transgender people?

Handicapped and transgender are obviously two very different issues. I am sure you are aware of the male genitila intact trans woman that exposed herself to a locker room full of biological woman in a YMCA if I recall. Complaints were lodged, she was arrested and released with no charges. Is it fair to the other women to be exposed to a trans woman’s male genitilia? Should those biological women have a voice in that matter? And if we go down that route, then shouldn’t we get rid of public indecency laws?

Locker rooms have to adjust and change to adhere to modesty standards. What the trans person did going into a lockerroom and being nude is not illegal. However if she was *********ing in the lockeroom that would be illegal. It would be illegal if you did it in the mens room. The laws still exist the issue is we have a bad faith argument in this country where trans people can't use the bathrooms. You are also arguing to strip individuals of the rights to their bodies when they are young. While you might take women's sports as a main issue it's really just a wedge issue...the more troubling aspects are the cival rights violations. Telling people that families, doctors and individuals are not allowed to have a say over their bodies,

[Spuddywebby]

Locker rooms have to adjust and change to adhere to modesty standards. What the trans person did going into a lockerroom and being nude is not illegal. However if she was *********ing in the lockeroom that would be illegal. It would be illegal if you did it in the mens room. The laws still exist the issue is we have a bad faith argument in this country where trans people can't use the bathrooms. You are also arguing to strip individuals of the rights to their bodies when they are young. While you might take women's sports as a main issue it's really just a wedge issue...the more troubling aspects are the cival rights violations. Telling people that families, doctors and individuals are not allowed to have a say over their bodies,


If you or I walk into a women’s locker/bathroom naked, we would get arrested.

Trans in womens sports is not a wedge issue, it’s the definition of misogyny. Once that is allowed, trans women have to be allowed in all women’s spaces, without any biological women having a say.

Elective surgery is not a civil right. I understand that you are coming to this from a place that I am not, as I do not have any trans family, but as a society there are many things which we prohibit minors from doing. I am not going to pretend I understand all the issues on the gender affirming thing but my opinion is that a minor should have to wait until at least 18 before having an elective mastectomy or other non reversible medical treatments.

[John8204]

If you or I walk into a women’s locker/bathroom naked, we would get arrested.

If anyone walked into a bathroom naked they would be arrested because they would have taken their clothes off in public at some point. This is not a process that you can legislate because transgenderism is a spectrum and a process. Creating laws that limit individuals basic biological needs is cruel and a violation of an individuals different freedoms.



Trans in womens sports is not a wedge issue, it’s the definition of misogyny. Once that is allowed, trans women have to be allowed in all women’s spaces, without any biological women having a say.

Organizations have the right to set their own rules.



Elective surgery is not a civil right. I understand that you are coming to this from a place that I am not, as I do not have any trans family, but as a society there are many things which we prohibit minors from doing. I am not going to pretend I understand all the issues on the gender affirming thing but my opinion is that a minor should have to wait until at least 18 before having an elective mastectomy or other non reversible medical treatments.

Gender affirming care can be surgical but it's most hormonal and in many cases it's critical that is occurs as early as possible. Because I don't know if you are aware of this or not or if you live in the real world but insurance companies love to screw around with people...and the older you get the better the coverage you are likely to have. Parents, doctors and individuals should have the right to get the treatment they wish not congressmen or you.

[ILLsmak]

Those are made up stats, haha. Can you imagine the sort of people who answer gender surveys? It's not a great cultural issue; it is a great elephant to block out what is actually happening. I feel bad for people who go as far as to mess up their body, but otherwise, I don't really care what they wanna do with their life. Just, as I said, make sure to leave room for when you want to come back.

On the other hand, let's worry about THE ACTUAL STATE OF OUR COUNTRY AND THE WORLD.

-Smak

[Baller234]

We are 8 pages in... and a total of ZERO users who claim to be on the "gender is sociological" side have been brave enough to identify the genders they're talking about.

https://i.gifer.com/A1xE.gif

[Patrick Chewing]

Just a quick reminder, there are only 2 genders. "Trans" people have a mental disorder.


Thank you and God Bless.

[theman93]

This issue of man/woman sex versus gender issue is generally nonsense. Their is a biological basis for sex and a sociological basis for gender. Sociology is a science and transgenders exist in society I have two of them in my family (one MTF the other FTM). Ofcourse this issue always focuses on men who transition into becoming women and ignore the massive spectrum of women who live as men. But that is neither here nor there.

I don't really care about sports but I do care about a polictical side in this country that wishes to strip transgenders of their basic civil rights. And I also care about a health care system that is refusing gender affirming care because teenagers are "children".

As for the notion of "safe spaces" for women if you are referring to locker rooms and showers it's not a hard fix to put modesty standards. We did after all change bathrooms for handicapped people without issues. Sadly we are so divided in this country that basic competency is lost when ones can profit from hate.

Why should we lean in to mental illnesses? Should we encourage those with BIID to explore that a little more and slice off their limbs?

[fsvr54]

Anyone who thinks "gender is a social construct" is a total fukkin idiot

[fsvr54]

Just a quick reminder, there are only 2 genders. "Trans" people have a mental disorder.


Thank you and God Bless.

Straight up facts, papi

[John8204]

Why should we lean in to mental illnesses? Should we encourage those with BIID to explore that a little more and slice off their limbs?

Well you have two major issues, the first being this is America and systemic marginalization of minorities is wrong. Transgender people are not mentally ill and it is a spectrum. The fear of transwomen which is what 99.99% of these arguments revolve around ignore the existence of the more common transmen

[theman93]

Well you have two major issues, the first being this is America and systemic marginalization of minorities is wrong. Transgender people are not mentally ill and it is a spectrum. The fear of transwomen which is what 99.99% of these arguments revolve around ignore the existence of the more common transmen

I’m not scared of anything, that’s just a silly projection on your end. So is trans-speciesism a mental illness? Just like transgenders, they feel they are a non-human species trapped in a human body. Is that absolutely true?

[Manny98]

Gender is made up bullshit that's not real

You go by the sex in which you were born as

[John8204]

I’m not scared of anything, that’s just a silly projection on your end. So is trans-speciesism a mental illness? Just like transgenders, they feel they are a non-human species trapped in a human body. Is that absolutely true?

My end is to take marginal people and not further marginalize them. People deserve to have happy healthy lives and not have their gender identity exploited for political gains.

As for your example I don't know how many of those people exist maybe you should make a thread about that.

[Manny98]

Well you have two major issues, the first being this is America and systemic marginalization of minorities is wrong. Transgender people are not mentally ill and it is a spectrum. The fear of transwomen which is what 99.99% of these arguments revolve around ignore the existence of the more common transmen

They're not mentally ill but we need to stop identifying them as women, they're just extremely feminine gay men and should be treated as any other man

[theman93]

My end is to take marginal people and not further marginalize them. People deserve to have happy healthy lives and not have their gender identity exploited for political gains.

As for your example I don't know how many of those people exist maybe you should make a thread about that.

Well we're talking in terms of categories. Whether you know how many of those people exist is irrelevant. I'm asking you to be consistent -- like a transgender person who believes they are stuck in the wrong body, if a human truly believes he is a cat stuck in a human body is it absolutely true he is a cat?

[Dbrog]

They're not mentally ill but we need to stop identifying them as women, they're just extremely feminine gay men and should be treated as any other man

I get you trying to give him an out, but it's factually untrue about them not being mentally ill. See my link to a lit review a few pages back about all the comorbidity of mental disorders and trans individuals

[Baller234]

John8204 can you please answer the question I posed to you earlier? I notice you still responding to other people's posts so in case you missed it I wanted to ask you again.

If gender is purely sociological and not biological, then please explain what makes men and women unique from one another without referring to anything biological. What makes them distinct from one another?

[Norcaliblunt]

Everyone who uses the mental illness argument has to realize all these disorders and diagnosis’ come from the same mofos who wanna cut genitals off. The modern medical system.

So by calling someone mentally ill all you are doing is throwing them right back into the system that creates this weird crap. Y’all would be better off saying it’s demonic possession or something. It might actually help these fools.

[Dbrog]

Everyone who uses the mental illness argument has to realize all these disorders and diagnosis’ come from the same mofos who wanna cut genitals off. The modern medical system.

So by calling someone mentally ill all you are doing is throwing them right back into the system that creates this weird crap. Y’all would be better off saying it’s demonic possession or something. It might actually help these fools.

Again, you may want to check your facts. The FACT is that the people who create and use the DSM are counselors and psychologists, NOT medical doctors. Psychiatrists take a class or two on it but again, they aren't trained like the former professions in that area. So no, it's absolutely not the same group that is cutting off genitals or prescribing drugs to minors

[Norcaliblunt]

Again, you may want to check your facts. The FACT is that the people who create and use the DSM are counselors and psychologists, NOT medical doctors. Psychiatrists take a class or two on it but again, they aren't trained like the former professions in that area. So no, it's absolutely not the same group that is cutting off genitals or prescribing drugs to minors


Psychology is as corrupt as anything, and counselors are just jerk offs who take orders from whatever libtard agenda is hip at the moment. Lmao. The DSM? Our you serious? Fifty million made up conditions just so someone with a liberal arts education can have a job? These people don’t have any more insight or authority than anyone. Taking your kid to one of these people is the worst thing you could do. They’ll steer you toward them physicians who prescribe and cut.

[Manny98]

I get you trying to give him an out, but it's factually untrue about them not being mentally ill. See my link to a lit review a few pages back about all the comorbidity of mental disorders and trans individuals

Interstate article, I agree that the ones that genuinely believe that they're women and "born in the wrong body" are mentally off, most trans people I have encountered seem like they are on the autistic spectrum

[Dbrog]

Psychology is as corrupt as anything, and counselors are just jerk offs who take orders from whatever libtard agenda is hip at the moment. Lmao. The DSM? Our you serious? Fifty million made up conditions just so someone with a liberal arts education can have a job? These people don’t have any more insight or authority than anyone. Taking your kid to one of these people is the worst thing you could do. They’ll steer you toward them physicians who prescribe and cut.

lol...well I guess this discussion is over. Hey everyone, there actually aren't any mental conditions. In fact mental health isn't even part of the human experience :lol

[Norcaliblunt]

lol...well I guess this discussion is over. Hey everyone, there actually aren't any mental conditions. In fact mental health isn't even part of the human experience :lol

Not a million different ones. Just like with any disease there really are only 2 things going on. Trauma and/or toxic exposure. And both of these things can be passed down through generations and gene degradation.

Bruh how many conditions they cured in the DSM? With all this knowledge of different mental disorders, and all the psychologist and councilors who went to school online, how is the world still so messed up? Lmao.

[John8204]

John8204 can you please answer the question I posed to you earlier? I notice you still responding to other people's posts so in case you missed it I wanted to ask you again.

If gender is purely sociological and not biological, then please explain what makes men and women unique from one another without referring to anything biological. What makes them distinct from one another?

Sex and Gender are two different things, sociology and biology intersect. I don't know what you want me to tell you because the grammar of your question is all messed up. Gender is neither purely biological or sociological, India has 10 million Hijra they recognize a third gender...other nations do this as well. African athletes get disqualified after gender tests


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiCftTLUzCI

[Baller234]

Sex and Gender are two different things, sociology and biology intersect. I don't know what you want me to tell you because the grammar of your question is all messed up. Gender is neither purely biological or sociological, India has 10 million Hijra they recognize a third gender...other nations do this as well. African athletes get disqualified after gender tests


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiCftTLUzCI

You said that gender was purely sociological and had nothing to do with sex, not that they intersect.

Either sex is linked to gender or it isn't. Pick one. It's a very simple question.

[John8204]

You said that gender was purely sociological and had nothing to do with sex, not that they intersect.

Either sex is linked to gender or it isn't. Pick one. It's a very simple question.

I don't believe I said that....


This issue of man/woman sex versus gender issue is generally nonsense. Their is a biological basis for sex and a sociological basis for gender. Sociology is a science and transgenders exist in society

Do you not know what the word "basis" means because that is different from absolute.

[theman93]

Sex and Gender are two different things, sociology and biology intersect. I don't know what you want me to tell you because the grammar of your question is all messed up. Gender is neither purely biological or sociological, India has 10 million Hijra they recognize a third gender...other nations do this as well. African athletes get disqualified after gender tests


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiCftTLUzCI

So then what are the biological aspects of gender?

[John8204]

So then what are the biological aspects of gender?

Chromosomes, reproductive organs, skeletal structure are biological aspects of sex and those tie into gender. But if a woman gets a hysterectomy they don't suddenly become not a woman

[Baller234]

If our side were to concede that gender is sociological, it is still ultimately linked to sex.

A woman would just refer to a female's identity and a man would refer to a male's identity. Gender divorced from sex is totally pointless because outside of biological differences men and women are mostly the same.

[Baller234]

Chromosomes, reproductive organs, skeletal structure are biological aspects of sex and those tie into gender. But if a woman gets a hysterectomy they don't suddenly become not a woman

So if biology determines your gender, how can a biological male possibly become a woman?

[theman93]

Chromosomes, reproductive organs, skeletal structure are biological aspects of sex and those tie into gender. But if a woman gets a hysterectomy they don't suddenly become not a woman

Then that refutes that a man can be stuck in a woman's body and vice versa which is what transgenderism is based upon. You've just agreed that gender is dependent on biology.

[theman93]

So if biology determines your gender, how can a biological male possibly become a woman?

The entire argument surrounding this issue is absurd on it's face. It's argued that gender is just a "social construct" but in order to transition to the other gender you have to attempt to change your....biology. Lol.

[John8204]

Then that refutes that a man can be stuck in a woman's body and vice versa which is what transgenderism is based upon. You've just agreed that gender is dependent on biology.

Gender is a factor in biology your body can be made up of water it doesn't make you water.

Zeke is a female who transitioned to being male

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzapNIPep6o

Blaire White is a man who transitioned to being a female

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLemEpoAH4w

Biology and sociology mix one is not perfect with the other. And you have nations in the world that recognize third genders and have for years.

[John8204]

The entire argument surrounding this issue is absurd on it's face. It's argued that gender is just a "social construct" but in order to transition to the other gender you have to attempt to change your....biology. Lol.

Once again you sound dumb by needing to speak in absolutes....is a ****** part of you biology? How about facial hair? Breasts are those part of your biology.

[theman93]

Gender is a factor in biology your body can be made up of water it doesn't make you water.

Zeke is a female who transitioned to being male

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzapNIPep6o

Blaire White is a man who transitioned to being a female

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLemEpoAH4w

Biology and sociology mix one is not perfect with the other. And you have nations in the world that recognize third genders and have for years.

That's a bad argument and also a category error. The determination of water is dependent on 2 hydrogen atoms and 1 oxygen atom which is amphoteric in nature. The determination of a male or female is dependent on chromosomes which is biological in nature. You can't change chromosomes. They are a part of every single cell and continue to be in the cell division process which ultimately determines all the things you mentioned - reproductive organs, bone structure, etc. You claimed biology is a necessity of gender which means it is dependent on it. Which means gender is impossible to change without changing your biology which is literally impossible.

[theman93]

Once again you sound dumb by needing to speak in absolutes....is a ****** part of you biology? How about facial hair? Breasts are those part of your biology.

Well of course I am speaking in absolutes because truth is absolute. Do you disagree?

[John8204]

Well of course I am speaking in absolutes because truth is absolute. Do you disagree?

What is the truth? That transgender people don't exist or shouldn't exist. Sex and Gender are different

[theman93]

What is the truth? That transgender people don't exist or shouldn't exist. Sex and Gender are different

Well you've already granted that gender is dependent on sex. As science has already proven you can't change your sex because you can't change your chromosomes and therefor it's impossible to change your gender. You can pretend you did, just like I can pretend I am Puff the Magic Dragon, but that doesn't make it so.

[ILLsmak]

Just a quick reminder, there are only 2 genders. "Trans" people have a mental disorder.


Thank you and God Bless.

It's not a mental disorder like you think, though. It's not gender dysphoria. It manifests as that, but I think it's a much deeper psychological issue. Some of them are actually bullied by their parents, though.

Some people might have gender dysphoria, but it's something much more complicated. It probably would have manifest at something else years ago. The problem is that THIS gives rights to people like letting dudes go into women's locker rooms, dudes compete against women, etc. It never should have gone there, even if it was a real thing.

I got love for people, but trans is dangerous. It's very dangerous to mess with your hormones. Anyone who won't admit that is INSANE. I can't believe anybody who understands the body and the mind would choose to put people on hormones/give them reassignment surgery when there are OTHER OPTIONS. It's totally OK if you wanna wear a dress, do it. I'd go out and kick it with someone who liked to dress like a woman if they were cool. What the hell does that matter? You want me to call you her? OK... why not, if we are cool, I can do that, but your life is going to end really poorly if you mess with your hormones. It's basically unsustainable. WHY would you EVER put yourself in a position that you need lifetime medical care, and make an irreversible choice?

Still, hug a transgender person and tell them they can do whatever they want short of damaging their body cuzzz... you gon need dat. Gotta live 70-80 years with that body.

It's like a weird form of population control cuz once you make that choice your only out is suicide and you are already out of the gene pool.

-Smak

[Manny98]

Once again you sound dumb by needing to speak in absolutes....is a ****** part of you biology? How about facial hair? Breasts are those part of your biology.

If you're born with the XY chromosome you're a male if you're born with the XX chromosome that makes you a female

It's really that simple everything else is irrelevant

[Baller234]

What is the truth? That transgender people don't exist or shouldn't exist. Sex and Gender are different

We obviously don't agree that sex and gender are different.

But even if we were to concede this ridiculous point, then by your own admission sex and gender are still linked. Gender divorced from sex is a totally made up concept.

[MrFonzworth]

Damn big up Johnny catching bodies itt

[ILLsmak]

Trans isnt politics.

-Smak

[imdaman99]

Holy shit, why do some of y'all obsess about trannies? I didn't realize they played such a major role in your lives

[Baller234]

Holy shit, why do some of y'all obsess about trannies? I didn't realize they played such a major role in your lives

Well, we're all here engaging each other on a sports message board. So it's safe to say that we all value sports and that it occupies a decent portion of our lives.

Men shouldn't be allowed to compete in women's sports, period. If you disagree then go ahead and make your case. Otherwise take this passive aggressive trolling somewhere else.

[Patrick Chewing]

Holy shit, why do some of y'all obsess about trannies? I didn't realize they played such a major role in your lives

Cause woke companies and woke Liberals are shoving them in our face 24/7 and we've about had enough of it.


You do realize that every TV show and movie nowadays has a gay character in it, right? A tranny character is next. What comes after trannies??

[RRR3]

Cause woke companies and woke Liberals are shoving them in our face 24/7 and we've about had enough of it.


You do realize that every TV show and movie nowadays has a gay character in it, right? A tranny character is next. What comes after trannies??
Tv shows and movies reflecting reality is bad? There’s a lot of gay people out there if you hadn’t noticed.

[Patrick Chewing]

Tv shows and movies reflecting reality is bad? There’s a lot of gay people out there if you hadn’t noticed.

There aren't that many, but they sure do make it seem as if it's 50% of the population that's gay. Gay people don't have to announce themselves. There doesn't need to be pride festivals and college courses on gay people. No one cares that you're gay, so stop blasting the rest of us 24/7 with your gayness.

[RRR3]

There aren't that many, but they sure do make it seem as if it's 50% of the population that's gay. Gay people don't have to announce themselves. There doesn't need to be pride festivals and college courses on gay people. No one cares that you're gay, so stop blasting the rest of us 24/7 with your gayness.
Hmm. You obviously care that people are gay. Look how riled up you are.

[Patrick Chewing]

Hmm. You obviously care that people are gay. Look how riled up you are.

You're riled up. You replied to me first. Calm down, Queen.

[Spuddywebby]

Well, we're all here engaging each other on a sports message board. So it's safe to say that we all value sports and that it occupies a decent portion of our lives.

Men shouldn't be allowed to compete in women's sports, period. If you disagree then go ahead and make your case. Otherwise take this passive aggressive trolling somewhere else.

I donÂ’t understand how people see this as a non issue or an issue that only affects those that transition. They are looking to literally change what a women is and they want everyone to agree with them and adjust societal norms for them, or suffer the consequences.

Lastly, when certain states banned gender affirming surgical procedures on minors, Trans activists and “Allies” shouted from the top of their lungs that surgeries are not performed on minors and yet here we have a 3 year study of 48k people who had surgeries such as “genital reconstruction” and breast removal. 3600 of them were aged 12-18. 3600 minors castrated/mutilated. Kiss that we wouldn’t allow to buy a drink or smoke a cigarette.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2808707?resultClick=3

In 10-15 years the reckoning on this will make the Sackler/Oxycontin people look like angels.

[Lakers Legend#32]

There aren't that many, but they sure do make it seem as if it's 50% of the population that's gay. Gay people don't have to announce themselves. There doesn't need to be pride festivals and college courses on gay people. No one cares that you're gay, so stop blasting the rest of us 24/7 with your gayness.

You opposed gay marriage, so yeah, you care.

[Nanners]

Trans debate is 100% a distraction from things that actually matter. The "debate" is entirely artificial and manufactured, the only reason trans is pushed so hard in mainstream culture is because every child who transitions is potentially worth millions of dollars to our parasitic medical industrial complex

[ArbitraryWater]

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[ArbitraryWater]

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@ShawkFactory



What do you make of this?


Youve been preaching how important it is for a harmonous society to let peope "identify" as what they want, I asked you what should take preference, actual gender or identity, you dodged the question.


So, whats your take on this?

[ShawkFactory]

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@ShawkFactory



What do you make of this?


Youve been preaching how important it is for a harmonous society to let peope "identify" as what they want, I asked you what should take preference, actual gender or identity, you dodged the question.


So, whats your take on this?

I haven't "preached" anything. I argued the definition of a word and then gave an opinion. That's it.

As for the ruling you've posted..is that something that is actually happening or something that has been "allowed" as a talking point to score points? I need more information.

I think I've made it very clear that I'm open to having a conversation about where the line should be drawn here. I don't view this as black and white as you do, and because of that the conversation gets muddled.

If a person has fully made the decision and committed to transitioning then I honestly have respect for it. Should a man-to-woman be able to participate in women's athletics? No. I can draw the line there for sure. And I think people who have made that decision should be open to the line as well.

Should a fully committed and respectful trans person be allowed to use a women's restroom? Sure. Almost everyone is just trying to piss or shit in peace and I don't really view this issue coming in to play there at all. You can feel differently if you want but it's also a situation you'll never find yourself in so listening to the people who would actually be involved might behoof you. Women tend to be fairly empathic and from conversations I've had most don't really care about this.

Of course it's different if a 12 year old boy all of a sudden goes "I'm a lady now!" No liberties should be granted for a spur of the moment decision of a child. But that's not the conversation I've been having.


I asked you what should take preference, actual gender or identity, you dodged the question

I didn't. I said, and continue to say, that there is nuance to it.

[Baller234]

I didn't. I said, and continue to say, that there is nuance to it.

Is there really though? Or are these people just mentally confused?

Fact of the matter is that a transgender person is going to be the odd person out no matter what bathroom or locker room they choose. They will never truly be amongst their own, and there will always be people who don't feel comfortable around them.

Instead of trying to disrupt the natural order, we should be trying to help these people acknowledge and accept reality. That requires telling them the truth, even if it means hurting their feelings.

[theman93]

I haven't "preached" anything. I argued the definition of a word and then gave an opinion. That's it.

As for the ruling you've posted..is that something that is actually happening or something that has been "allowed" as a talking point to score points? I need more information.

I think I've made it very clear that I'm open to having a conversation about where the line should be drawn here. I don't view this as black and white as you do, and because of that the conversation gets muddled.

If a person has fully made the decision and committed to transitioning then I honestly have respect for it. Should a man-to-woman be able to participate in women's athletics? No. I can draw the line there for sure. And I think people who have made that decision should be open to the line as well.

Should a fully committed and respectful trans person be allowed to use a women's restroom? Sure. Almost everyone is just trying to piss or shit in peace and I don't really view this issue coming in to play there at all. You can feel differently if you want but it's also a situation you'll never find yourself in so listening to the people who would actually be involved might behoof you. Women tend to be fairly empathic and from conversations I've had most don't really care about this.

Of course it's different if a 12 year old boy all of a sudden goes "I'm a lady now!" No liberties should be granted for a spur of the moment decision of a child. But that's not the conversation I've been having.



I didn't. I said, and continue to say, that there is nuance to it.

Why? Could it be because the man transitioning to a woman can never be a woman?

[ArbitraryWater]

Shawk, lets start to put the pieces together for you..


if you liked a girl, and she started identifying as a man,


are you gay?

[ArbitraryWater]

More food for thought for Shawk


https://i.gyazo.com/4c8809dac03578a84945c56cb57a87ba.jpg




can any problem be found?



Its his identity after all

[Patrick Chewing]

More food for thought for Shawk


https://i.gyazo.com/4c8809dac03578a84945c56cb57a87ba.jpg




can any problem be found?



Its his identity after all

Lettuce be real, the only way this fat ugly **** was ever going to get close to a woman and see a naked girl was by "transitioning". This is clearly a loophole for sick individuals such as this one to get away with their perversions.

I mean, there have been movies like this. Dude dresses up like a girl, and joins the girls team and falls in love with one of the girls. Only difference is that this man cow will never land one of these sorority girls.

[Spuddywebby]

More food for thought for Shawk


https://i.gyazo.com/4c8809dac03578a84945c56cb57a87ba.jpg




can any problem be found?



Its his identity after all


The actually bigger issue of this case (not that Heavy D being in a sorority isn’t a big issue) is that the reason the judge said he is allowed, is because the sorority’s bylaws do not define what a “women” is. Regardless of how stupid you may think the whole frat/sorority thing is, just think about the repercussions and how far reaching into society something like this is. Since we have allowed self identification and by definition have made the meaning of a woman fluid, any women’s organizations/spaces/awards etc which of course never thought of the need to have to define a “woman” are open to a judge saying “too bad, you should have thought of defining a woman, now you have to allow these guys in”.

On another important thing about this case, only 6 girls brought this suit, the other girls were afraid to attach their names to this because they didn’t want to deal with the backlash and the effects os their future employment. The national sorority also wanted nothing to do with this suit, the militant activists have shown (see JK Rowling) that if you go public with anything pro-biological woman, they will come to destroy you.

Same thing is happening right now with an Oberlin (!) women’s lacrosse coach right now.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2023/08/29/trans-rights-womens-sports-conflict-college-coaches-fear-cancelled/70699982007/

[ArbitraryWater]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CxeIBDOuypE/ From the Daily Show with Trevor Noah


Strong Lurk, what do you think?


What trumps? Biological sex or "chosen gender" ?


Does your logic hold up under scrutiny when the actual biology plays a role and not the identity?


Is it necessary to maintain a "harmonous" society?

[RRR3]

Lil arby up all night tossing and turning thinking about trans people :lol

[SaltyMeatballs]

Lettuce be real, the only way this fat ugly **** was ever going to get close to a woman and see a naked girl was by "transitioning"

:roll::roll:

[Lakers Legend#32]

Lil arby up all night tossing and turning thinking about trans people :lol

And collecting photos of them too.

[Baller234]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CxeIBDOuypE/ From the Daily Show with Trevor Noah

I would like RRR3's input on this well.

If you're reading this, you insist that gender and sex are different. You insist that being a woman is not the same as being a female. But here is a renowned trans woman and also trans activist using the term "woman" and "female" interchangeably and using both words to describe themselves.

How can this person claim they are a female if they are born biologically male?

What is your explanation?

[warriorfan]

Lil arby up all night tossing and turning thinking about trans people :lol

while you are up all night tossing their salads

[MrFonzworth]

Lil arby up all night tossing and turning thinking about trans people :lol

:lol

[ArbitraryWater]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?501450-Lia-Thomas-teammates-uncomfortable-being-exposed-to-her-male-genitalia


important for "harmonous society"

[ArbitraryWater]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1VQ-6EOVUR/


Isnt it crazy how ShawkFactory woud see this and say the Delta employee has to call this person by their prefered pronoun for a harmonous society?

[ShawkFactory]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1VQ-6EOVUR/


Isnt it crazy how ShawkFactory woud see this and say the Delta employee has to call this person by their prefered pronoun for a harmonous society?

I would? I didn't say anyone has to do anything.

Posting a video of someone being an asshole (whether real or not) doesn't prove or disprove any point anyone has made.

[Lakers Legend#32]

There is not trans debate without the Republicans hyping this to keep their bigoted base all foaming at the mouth.

[TeflonDonTrump]

There is not trans debate without the Republicans hyping this to keep their bigoted base all foaming at the mouth.

You are a fakkit

[ArbitraryWater]

I would? I didn't say anyone has to do anything.

Posting a video of someone being an asshole (whether real or not) doesn't prove or disprove any point anyone has made.

Wait, so what do you suggest should be done in this situation?


You did say pronouns should be obliged to


(Btw, whether real or not? The ****? lmao)

[ArbitraryWater]

There is not trans debate without the Republicans hyping this to keep their bigoted base all foaming at the mouth.


Its literally at every corner, cause dems push it there.


Its the dumbest thing.

Its like creating a random flag for a random cause that no one cared about before and then saying because people complain "see, you bigots, these people need support!"

[Lakers Legend#32]

Its like creating a random flag for a random cause that no one cared about before and then saying because people complain "see, you bigots, these people need support!"

Right was bullying and trying to stop marriage equality before this.

You lost.

So you needed a new marginalized community to beat up on.

[Baller234]

Right was bullying and trying to stop marriage equality before this.

You lost.

So you needed a new marginalized community to beat up on.

“I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian, it is also a sacred union. God’s in the mix."

- Barack Obama in 2008

[ShawkFactory]

Wait, so what do you suggest should be done in this situation?


You did say pronouns should be obliged to


(Btw, whether real or not? The ****? lmao)

I’d say what happened is about what should have. The person with the camera is in the wrong by escalating and being an asshole. It became no longer about the issue, but the reaction. If it bothered the person enough to say something then it should have been done politely. Were that the case then I imagine the person on the other end would have also been polite, apologized and obliged their request to be called whatever pronoun they like.

You seem to think that by me saying someone’s gender identity should simply be relevant, that I’m saying that all the extreme circumstances involving transgenderism should be adhered to, or even bowed down to. I have not said this. I’ve actually said the opposite.

[Baller234]

I’d say what happened is about what should have. The person with the camera is in the wrong by escalating and being an asshole. It became no longer about the issue, but the reaction. If it bothered the person enough to say something then it should have been done politely. Were that the case then I imagine the person on the other end would have also been polite, apologized and obliged their request to be called whatever pronoun they like.

You seem to think that by me saying someone’s gender identity should simply be relevant, that I’m saying that all the extreme circumstances involving transgenderism should be adhered to, or even bowed down to. I have not said this. I’ve actually said the opposite.

All circumstances involving transgenderism are extreme though. Hardly anyone on the right is against them dressing how they want, expressing themselves how they want or calling themselves what they want.

The problem only arises once they start making demands.

[Lakers Legend#32]

“I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian, it is also a sacred union. God’s in the mix."

- Barack Obama in 2008

Obama evolved in his thinking.

Right Wingers say, what does that mean?

[Baller234]

Obama evolved in his thinking.

Right Wingers say, what does that mean?

Lmao in 2008 he was 47 years old. Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden who were both older than Obama and they echoed the same sentiments. I'm pretty sure they didn't just magically change their opinion on such a thing that deep into adult lives. Regardless of their actual views, it's safe to say they were all just playing politics. They were against it when it was convenient and they supported it when it was convenient.

That means up until about 10-12 years ago, the democratic position on gay marriage was no bueno. How very progressive of them.

So don't pretend like it was just evil republicans who were against it.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Lmao in 2008 he was 47 years old. Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden who were both older than Obama and they echoed the same sentiments. I'm pretty sure they didn't just magically change their opinion on such a thing that deep into adult lives. Regardless of their actual views, it's safe to say they were all just playing politics. They were against it when it was convenient and they supported it when it was convenient.

That means up until about 10-12 years ago, the democratic position on gay marriage was no bueno. How very progressive of them.

So don't pretend like it was just evil republicans who were against it.

It was also the easiest thing in politics for Republicans to trash gay people.

[Patrick Chewing]

Trans people are demented mentally ill individuals. Anyone that perpetuates and defends Trans people are worse.

[Baller234]

It was also the easiest thing in politics for Republicans to trash gay people.

You totally ignored and deflected everything I said because you don't want to admit you said something stupid.

Democrats were not for gay marriage. That's just a fact. They aren't the progressive champions you're pretending they are. They have always been wolves in sheep clothing.

[ArbitraryWater]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IgzE1-dt3c


Shawk Factory be like he yeah! Exactly!

[Lakers Legend#32]

There are maybe a few thousand trans people in a country of 320 million.

FOX would have you believe in the tens of millions.

It's in FOX and the Republicans financial interests to overblow the situation to keep all you rubes scared.

[RRR3]

Shawkfactory has mentally destroyed lil arby :roll:

[ShawkFactory]

Shawkfactory has mentally destroyed lil arby :roll:

There are 3 hilarious parts of this to me:

1) He’s clearly trolling the web looking for trans content. Or is a part of a group that feeds it to him.
2) He’s thinking of me while doing it.
3) Best of all, he thinks he’s got this gotcha moment when my actual opinions align with Shaprio’s answer here far more closely than what it is he thinks I believe. Despite me being very clear.

Only on ISH does me saying that I believe struggling people doing something that might make them happier turn into me wanting give hormones to all of our kids :lol

[BurningHammer]

There are 3 hilarious parts of this to me:

1) He’s clearly trolling the web looking for trans content. Or is a part of a group that feeds it to him.
2) He’s thinking of me while doing it.
3) Best of all, he thinks he’s got this gotcha moment when my actual opinions align with Shaprio’s answer here far more closely than what it is he thinks I believe. Despite me being very clear.

Only on ISH does me saying that I believe struggling people doing something that might make them happier turn into me wanting give hormones to all of our kids :lol

:rockon:

[Baller234]

There are 3 hilarious parts of this to me:

1) He’s clearly trolling the web looking for trans content. Or is a part of a group that feeds it to him.
2) He’s thinking of me while doing it.
3) Best of all, he thinks he’s got this gotcha moment when my actual opinions align with Shaprio’s answer here far more closely than what it is he thinks I believe. Despite me being very clear.

Only on ISH does me saying that I believe struggling people doing something that might make them happier turn into me wanting give hormones to all of our kids :lol

Do you think we should be giving hormones and "puberty blockers" to children?

Yes or no.

[ShawkFactory]

Do you think we should be giving hormones and "puberty blockers" to children?

Yes or no.

No.

Perhaps there’s an extreme case you (well probably not you) could show me where I’d consider.

But generally speaking, no.

[Baller234]

No.

Perhaps there’s an extreme case you (well probably not you) could show me where I’d consider.

But generally speaking, no.

I'm glad to hear that.

But congratulations, that makes you a disgusting transphobe. Both in the eyes of RRR3 as well as the majority of the TQ+ activist community.

[ShawkFactory]

I'm glad to hear that.

But congratulations, that makes you a disgusting transphobe. Both in the eyes of RRR3 as well as the majority of the TQ+ activist community.

Probably not. I’m fairly staunch in what I believe, even if some on the extremes think I’m on the fence (I’ve been called shit by people on both sides of the aisle depending on the issue) but I don’t approach peoples opinions or feelings generally with hate or condescension.

I may act a certain way based on how someone conducts themselves but it has nothing to do with the actual opinion.

[Baller234]

Probably not. I’m fairly staunch in what I believe, even if some on the extremes think I’m on the fence (I’ve been called shit by people on both sides of the aisle depending on the issue) but I don’t approach peoples opinions or feelings generally with hate or condescension.

I may act a certain way based on how someone conducts themselves but it has nothing to do with the actual opinion.

Uh, I really don't know what you're trying to say here friend. The fact of the matter is that you are defending a group of people who would consider you a transphobe and an enemy.

You don't think children should be exposed to puberty blockers? That's basically heresy.

[ShawkFactory]

Uh, I really don't know what you're trying to say here friend. The fact of the matter is that you are defending a group of people who would consider you a transphobe and an enemy.

You don't think children should be exposed to puberty blockers? That's basically heresy.

Well ain’t that a bitch? Should I just change my views?

Most don’t actually view that opinion as heresy I don’t think. Other than perhaps those who have actually gone through it and I’m willing to give them a pass as long as they aren’t a dick to me.

[RRR3]

Well ain’t that a bitch? Should I just change my views?

Most don’t actually view that opinion as heresy I don’t think. Other than perhaps those who have actually gone through it and I’m willing to give them a pass as long as they aren’t a dick to me.
His goal in life is to try and get people he doesn't like on this board to fight with each other. He's continuously been disappointed he can't get me and saltymeatballs to fight so now he moved on to you.

[Baller234]

Well ain’t that a bitch? Should I just change my views?

Most don’t actually view that opinion as heresy I don’t think. Other than perhaps those who have actually gone through it and I’m willing to give them a pass as long as they aren’t a dick to me.

If you're going to weigh in on something, you should really educate yourself first.

Access to "gender affirming care" is one of the core tenants of the entire TQ+ movement.

[Baller234]

His goal in life is to try and get people he doesn't like on this board to fight with each other. He's continuously been disappointed he can't get me and saltymeatballs to fight so now he moved on to you.

You think anyone who doesn't support putting children on puberty blockers is a transphobe.

[RRR3]

You think anyone who doesn't support putting children on puberty blockers is a transphobe.
Bawler the Karl Malone fan thinks he knows what I think.

[Lakers Legend#32]

You totally ignored and deflected everything I said because you don't want to admit you said something stupid.

Democrats were not for gay marriage. That's just a fact. They aren't the progressive champions you're pretending they are. They have always been wolves in sheep clothing.

Obama never attempted to block or stop any pro gay legislation. He never worked actively against it.

Meanwhile, Dubaya ran for re-election on a campaign of preventing gays from marrying in 2004.

[Baller234]

Bawler the Karl Malone fan thinks he knows what I think.

I know you're a fictional storyteller who will say literally anything if it means having to avoiding admitting you're wrong. I.E. inventing imaginary transphobes to hate out of thin air.

I know you think a male and a female are the same thing because you saw it on Wikiepedia.

[diamenz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooOELrGMn14

[Baller234]

Elderly liberal woman says she would perfectly fine with her granddaughters ages 6 and 8 being given hormone blockers, but not tattoos because tattoos are permanent and hard to remove.

https://twitter.com/ClownWorld_/status/1766645311349690629

If by chance this was a planned comedy sketch, then shame on the left for creating this environment where no one can tell the difference. Personally I think this one is real.

[RRR3]

Do you ever stop thinking about trans people

[Baller234]

Do you ever stop thinking about trans people

Unlike you, our side cares about the well being of society and these children.

[RRR3]

Unlike you, our side cares about the well being of society and these children.
:roll:

[Baller234]

I don't know what you think you're gaining by admitting to the forum that you condone horrific child abuse.

[RRR3]

I don't know what you think you're gaining by admitting to the forum that you condone horrific child abuse.
Says the guy who cheers for the murder of Palestinian children :biggums:

[Baller234]

Says the guy who cheers for the murder of Palestinian children :biggums:

Yea, I've never once done that. I've never "cheered" for the death of innocent people. Pretty disgusting of you to insinuate. Then again you're also a disgusting human being who badly needs to re-examine his life.

Even if we were to put our differences aside when it comes to Israel and Palestine, it's extremely telling that simply talking about children being given hormone blockers bothers you a great deal.

[RRR3]

Yea, I've never once done that. I've never "cheered" for the death of innocent people. Pretty disgusting of you to insinuate. Then again you're also a disgusting human being who badly needs to re-examine his life.

Even if we were to put our differences aside when it comes to Israel and Palestine, it's extremely telling that simply talking about children being given hormone blockers bothers you a great deal.
Stop lying. You have made it clear you want Israel to bomb Palestine into the stone age :facepalm

Why do you love killing babies?

[Baller234]

Stop lying. You have made it clear you want Israel to bomb Palestine into the stone age :facepalm

Why do you love killing babies?

Nope, never said I wanted Israel to bomb Palestine into the stone age. I said Israel should do whatever it has to in order to bring Hamas to it's knees. They aren't the ones who started this fight.

That is beside the point, you are deliberately trying to change the subject. The fact of the matter is that this convo had nothing to do with Israel or Palestine. I highlighted a story involving potential child abuse, at which point you got hot and bothered.

Which leads me to believe that you do in fact condone child abuse.

[RRR3]

Nope, never said I wanted Israel to bomb Palestine into the stone age. I said Israel should do whatever it has to in order to bring Hamas to it's knees. They aren't the ones who started this fight.

That is beside the point, you are deliberately trying to change the subject. The fact of the matter is that this convo had nothing to do with Israel or Palestine. I highlighted a story involving potential child abuse, at which point you got hot and bothered.

Which leads me to believe that you do in fact condone child abuse.
Do you support what Israel is doing right now? If you do you admit you support killing children.

[Baller234]

Do you support what Israel is doing right now? If you do you admit you support killing children.

I don't ever want to be put in that position, but I too might be capable of killing an innocent child if I were literally being forced to choose between the child and myself. All humans act out of self preservation. It's survival instinct. Tragic to think about but I don't want to die.

It's clear you have no intention of arguing in good faith, as you blatantly admitted in that other thread. Since you are an admitted bad faith actor and there is zero chance of reaching a compromise, I think I'm done engaging with you directly. I will continue to mock your retarded posts from afar, of which I'm sure there will be many, but I can no longer enable your trolling and your shit tier posting. Not until you grow up and you're capable of having an adult conversation.

Until then I will leave you with this:

- Capitalism is awesome. If you're failing at capitalism it's because you're entitled and lazy.
- No you actually cannot purchase a home without purchasing the land it sits on.
- 10/7 was not an "armed resistance". It was a terrorist attack. There is nothing justifiable about raping, torturing and kidnapping innocent civilians.
- There are only two sexes and two genders.
- Donald Trump is not your enemy.

And most importantly:

- You are selfish, spoiled, entitled, immature, ignorant, foolish, prideful, stubborn, dishonest and sinful. You have a lot of growing up to do and while we've had our fair share of heated debates, I do hope you find God and find peace.

Until then, goodbye.

[RRR3]

Bawler talking about arguing in good faith :biggums:


Stupidest poster ever?

Nice meltdown btw. You must have been crying as you typed that essay.

[Norcaliblunt]

Just remember the 2 most famous cross dressing trans peeps in American History are conservatives.

Bruce Jenner and J Edgar Hoover.

[Nanners]

Nope, never said I wanted Israel to bomb Palestine into the stone age. I said Israel should do whatever it has to in order to bring Hamas to it's knees. They aren't the ones who started this fight.

Netanyahu is on record saying that the Israeli govt supports Hamas because they make it more difficult to achieve a 2 state solution... Not only did Israel start this fight, they are effectively controlling both sides in their campaign to ethnically cleanse every non-jew from the region.

[Baller234]

Puberty blockers will no longer be administered to children in the UK, citing safety concerns.

The tide is turning.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWDtkzeS42c


"It's the science" they said.

"Only hateful bigots and transphobes are against this" they said.


I tried to warn people like 3tard but they didn't want to listen. Now they have to live with the consequences. Time will not be kind to these people or anyone who went on record as having supported this.

[JohnnySic]

The trans thing is dying. Its time for the left to move on to their next abomination.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Only to MAGAS who are trying to find another repressed community to turn into a new boogie man.

[Patrick Chewing]

The trans thing is dying. Its time for the left to move on to their next abomination.


They're already starting on the normalization of pedophilia.

So I can foresee down the road the normalization by the Left on things such as:

-Beastiality
-Incest
-Assisted suicides

[Norcaliblunt]

They're already starting on the normalization of pedophilia.

So I can foresee down the road the normalization by the Left on things such as:

-Beastiality
-Incest
-Assisted suicides

The funny thing is it’s the hillbilly redneck republicans who bang sheep and their kinfolk. Lol. As degenerate as California libtard peeps are they aren’t screwing farm animals and their sisters like fools in the red states. Lmao.

[ShawkFactory]

They're already starting on the normalization of pedophilia.

So I can foresee down the road the normalization by the Left on things such as:

-Beastiality
-Incest
-Assisted suicides

Obviously ridiculous with the other ones but you really don't think this one has a certain place? Obviously not from a "I'm sad help me move on here" kind of thing, but in specific instances?

[Baller234]

The funny thing is it’s the hillbilly redneck republicans who bang sheep and their kinfolk. Lol. As degenerate as California libtard peeps are they aren’t screwing farm animals and their sisters like fools in the red states. Lmao.

I would rather be neighbors with a hillbilly cousin fukker than a deranged left wing lunatic who puts their children on puberty blockers and subjects them to "gender affirming" surgery.

One is a sick fukk, the other is a sick fukk who abuses and tortures children.

[Chick Stern]

I would rather be neighbors with a hillbilly cousin fukker than a deranged left wing lunatic who puts their children on puberty blockers and subjects them to "gender affirming" surgery.

One is a sick fukk, the other is a sick fukk who abuses and tortures children.
Since it’s all about the children, and you don’t want them to have surgery, you are all for banning circumcision until they are legal adults, right?

[Patrick Chewing]

Obviously ridiculous with the other ones but you really don't think this one has a certain place? Obviously not from a "I'm sad help me move on here" kind of thing, but in specific instances?

Uhhh suicide is terrible. Assisted or otherwise.

[ShawkFactory]

Uhhh suicide is terrible. Assisted or otherwise.

Right, that’s why I said in specific circumstances. Like for example someone is diagnosed with terminal cancer and has reached the stages of immobility and constant agonizing pain.

[Norcaliblunt]

I would rather be neighbors with a hillbilly cousin fukker than a deranged left wing lunatic who puts their children on puberty blockers and subjects them to "gender affirming" surgery.

One is a sick fukk, the other is a sick fukk who abuses and tortures children.

Redneck right wingers chemically castrate their young by giving them unlimited amounts of Mountain Dew filled with yellow 5 dye and feed them fried food that completely wrecks havoc on a child’s hormones and health. Then they force incestuous sex and beastiality onto them. Shit far right Mormons are polygamous mofos arranging marriages and abusing children daily.

[Rocket]

There is no actual trans debate. There are only male and female people and those who pretend to be the other. The debate starts with the pretenders demanding others play along with their fantasy.

[Norcaliblunt]

There is no actual trans debate. There are only male and female people and those who pretend to be the other. The debate starts with the pretenders demanding others play along with their fantasy.

The trans issue is the greatest and most important personal sovereignty debate of all time.

If conservatives wanna actually have a free voluntary stateless society where the court can’t judge what it is to be human and control you then you have to embrace this shit.

Trans peeps are systematically destroying the overarching state system you hate.

You are not the all capital name on your ID.

Know your straw man idiots.

[ArbitraryWater]

https://cdn.newsbusters.org/images/south_park_-_10_09_31_pm.jpg



ShawkFactory fully supports the Olympic debacle where men are beating up women in boxing.

Idiocracy has manifested.

[ShawkFactory]

ShawkFactory fully supports the Olympic debacle where men are beating up women in boxing.


I do?

[RRR3]

I do?
Funniest thing is the woman he's talking about isn't even trans. She's a woman by anyone's definition lmao. As in, she was born with female reproductive organs, and she gave birth to children, etc.

[warriorfan]

Funniest thing is the woman he's talking about isn't even trans. She's a woman by anyone's definition lmao. As in, she was born with female reproductive organs, and she gave birth to children, etc.

The issue isn’t really about having a ***** or not, it’s about testosterone levels.

[RRR3]

The issue isn’t really about having a ***** or not, it’s about testosterone levels.
So what does that have to do with trans people? Why did lil arby bump this thread? Even by the most MAGA definitions, this woman is a woman.

[John8204]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiCftTLUzCI

The boxer claims she was born a woman...she could infact be intersex and suffers/has a chromosone advantage

[Norcaliblunt]

For years yall have watched men pump themselves up with hormones to be more manly on some fake shit.

Now you idiots have to watch the opposite.

Lmao!!!!

[ShawkFactory]

Funniest thing is the woman he's talking about isn't even trans. She's a woman by anyone's definition lmao. As in, she was born with female reproductive organs, and she gave birth to children, etc.

Yea I love how I’m a super trans guy for making actual reasonable points but have already explained that I am completely against trans men competing in women’s sports. I even used the term “vehemently” twice.

But somehow I want men to beat the shit out of women in the Olympics. I hate to be cliche here but…you can’t make this shit up.