Why does the bible endorse slavery?

[1987_Lakers]

Ephesians 6:5-9

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.

[RRR3]

Theman93 gonna come here and claim slavery is good :roll:

[Lakers Legend#32]

Ron Desantis already claimed it was good for the slaves.

[Patrick Chewing]

That verse is not endorsing slavery, but referencing the slaves that existed within the Roman empire as slavery was endemic during that time period.

Here is a better explanation of that verse:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3CbM8JCQao

[Im Still Ballin]

That verse is not endorsing slavery, but referencing the slaves that existed within the Roman empire as slavery was endemic during that time period.

Here is a better explanation of that verse:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3CbM8JCQao

P-Chew coming in hot!

[Axe]

It's only a matter of time before this topic turns into race later on. :eek:

[ArbitraryWater]

That verse is not endorsing slavery, but referencing the slaves that existed within the Roman empire as slavery was endemic during that time period.

Here is a better explanation of that verse:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3CbM8JCQao


Thanks for the explanation

[Norcaliblunt]

Does public school not teach you the same exact thing? Just without using the words slaves or Jesus.

Get your ass to work. Not just to impress your boss, but your boss’s boss too.

[theman93]

Theman93 gonna come here and claim slavery is good :roll:

Your world view has no basis to call slavery objectively wrong. Mine does.

[theman93]

That verse is not endorsing slavery, but referencing the slaves that existed within the Roman empire as slavery was endemic during that time period.

Here is a better explanation of that verse:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3CbM8JCQao

John Piper is a great theologian.

[theman93]

When the Bible gives instructions on slavery it is not akin to 18th and 19th century slavery like we commonly think of today. If it were, then abuse would be condoned. But Paul instructs the slave masters to not even go as far as threatening his slave in verse 9 (only verses 5-7 were quoted). What the Bible does condone is a regulated indentured servitude. To answer the problem of poverty in those days there was no welfare system or if times got really hard the ability to file for bankruptcy. Either you lived in poverty and eventually starved to death, or chose to become a slave to a master in exchange for money. A master abusing his slave is condoned all over the Bible and does not endorse it in the way you and I think of slavery in 21st century context.

[Baller234]

Surely you jest OP.

Everyone knows white europeans invented slavery in the 1600's.

[Chick Stern]

John Piper is a great theologian.

Oxymoron

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INIa5819gPU

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCAlbtf94PI&t

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was getting people to worship him.

[RRR3]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCAlbtf94PI&t

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was getting people to worship him.
theman93 meltdown incoming.

[Patrick Chewing]

theman93 meltdown incoming.

You were wrong the first time, what makes you think you'll be right this time??

[RRR3]

You were wrong the first time, what makes you think you'll be right this time??
Another lonely night huh Chewy? Is me bullying you the only attention you get?

[Patrick Chewing]

Another lonely night huh Chewy? Is me bullying you the only attention you get?

You couldn't bully anyone even if you tried and even if the person was handicapped and stuck in a wheelchair and talked like Stephen Hawking. They would probably bully you.

[RRR3]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxLQdkdVSw0
:roll:

[Patrick Chewing]

"Existence is pain" - RRR3

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[RRR3]

Except that was because of a loss of a relationship, something you'll never even have.

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[Patrick Chewing]

Grow a pair of balls, son. When one relationship ends, move on to the next one. Don't post your sob story on ISH for everyone to laugh at you.


You're probably guilty of putting these hoes on a pedestal. That's your problem.

[1987_Lakers]

Deuteronomy 22:28–29

“If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and rapes her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days."

Marry the woman you raped, sick stuff.

For the record, I do believe in a higher power and believe the bible has some positive stuff in it as well, but I do not see it as the word of God. I believe it's been manipulated many times by powerful people in order to control the masses.

[theman93]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCAlbtf94PI&t

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was getting people to worship him.

I love talking me some Gnosticism. It really is self defeating when you examine it's origins. He wants to point the finger and say all these things in the Bible are bad (which he proof read and failed to dive in to the context and historical context), but at the same time he has no standard to call anything absolutely wrong given his gnosticism. Gnosticists believes the immaterial is good and the material is evil, but they have no basis for this claim. He also claims that everything is corrupted once man touches it, but holds the Nag Hammadi Scriptures to be true which is a self refutation.

[BurningHammer]

theman93 meltdown incoming.

Good call. :eek:

[theman93]

theman93 meltdown incoming.

Lol I just enjoy a dialogue made in good faith. Something you've shown you aren't really capable of tbh :confusedshrug:

[1987_Lakers]

I love talking me some Gnosticism. It really is self defeating when you examine it's origins. He wants to point the finger and say all these things in the Bible are bad (which he proof read and failed to dive in to the context and historical context), but at the same time he has no standard to call anything absolutely wrong given his gnosticism. Gnosticists believes the immaterial is good and the material is evil, but they have no basis for this claim. He also claims that everything is corrupted once man touches it, but holds the Nag Hammadi Scriptures to be true which is a self refutation.

What made you think he was Gnostic? He simply pointed out he agrees with some of their teachings. Billy Carson uses alot Emerald Tablets which are almost 40,000 years old to prove his points, which are also highly regarded by Muslims. I'm guessing that makes him a Muslim as well. :oldlol:

There is no context needed, if God is never changing like it states in the bible, then you are basically worshiping a God who endorses slavery and rape.

"But, but, it was different times back then, God didn't know any better."

:roll:

[theman93]

What made you think he was Gnostic? He simply pointed out he agrees with some of their teachings. Billy Carson uses alot Emerald Tablets which are almost 40,000 years old to prove his points, which are also highly regarded by Muslims. I'm guessing that makes him a Muslim as well. :oldlol:

There is no context needed, if God is never changing like it states in the bible, then you are basically worshiping a God who endorses slavery and rape.

"But, but, it was different times back then, God didn't know any better."

:roll:

Well I’m sure you watched his video you posted. He openly stated he is gnostic.

Addressing those points really is no issue, but first, by what standard do you call anything absolutely wrong?

[Axe]

Good call. :eek:
Lol. Poor coach.

[iamgine]

Context is important.

[1987_Lakers]

Leviticus 20:13

If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.

"But, but context is important" :roll:

[Jasper]

bible knows past ,present and future :

Slavery was justified , by all past , present and future slave holders.

[Long Duck Dong]

Leviticus 20:13

If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.

"But, but context is important" :roll:

That's Old Testament. I'm ignorant on the subject but are Christians required to still follow the Old Testament? Obviously the Jews are.

[1987_Lakers]

That's Old Testament. I'm ignorant on the subject but are Christians required to still follow the Old Testament? Obviously the Jews are.

Seems like they pick and choose what to follow in the old testament, which is hypocritical.

[theman93]

Leviticus 20:13

If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.

"But, but context is important" :roll:

1) You have no standard to call anything God commanded ultimately wrong

2) Yes it is very important

[iamgine]

These are the usual passages that people who are ignorant about the bible often cites.

Context is important.

[Baller234]

That's Old Testament. I'm ignorant on the subject but are Christians required to still follow the Old Testament? Obviously the Jews are.

Jews, Christians & Muslims all abide by the old testament.

I am no expert when it comes to the bible, but I have heard others argue that certain texts were mistranslated throughout time. So who really knows what the official stance on homosexuality really is.

I do find it interesting though that when it comes to criticizing religion in public, christians are the only ones you are allowed to condemn without fear of blowback. You can say practically whatever you want about christians, even though they hold a lot of the same beliefs as jews and muslims.

When you criticize jews it's anti-semitism. When you criticize muslims it's islamaphobia. There's no special no-no word when you criticize a christian.

[Long Duck Dong]

Jews, Christians & Muslims all abide by the old testament.



In that case why don't any of them perform animal sacrifice today?

[Baller234]

In that case why don't any of them perform animal sacrifice today?

Lol, who tf knows. People are religious to various degrees.

I would wager that the majority of those people don't actually take the bible literally. Not except for the hardcore religious.

[1987_Lakers]

2) Yes it is very important



Context is important.

Under what context is putting two men to death for homo acts acceptable?

[1987_Lakers]

Lol, who tf knows. People are religious to various degrees.

I would wager that the majority of those people don't actually take the bible literally. Not except for the hardcore religious.

Lots of Muslims take the Bible/Quran literally, aka extremists, which is a big reason why the middle east is such a dump.

[iamgine]

Just google if interested. There are other passages too. Not only these.

[theman93]

Under what context is putting two men to death for homo acts acceptable?

Under God's law given to the Israelites, which falls under a civil law that is not a requisite for Christians today due to Jesus' fulfillment of the Torah.

You didn't answer the question though. By what standard do you call anything objectively wrong?

[Patrick Chewing]

Seems like they pick and choose what to follow in the old testament, which is hypocritical.

Why is that hypocritical?

[theman93]

Why is that hypocritical?

Hypocrisy isn’t even objectively wrong in his world view. He has no basis to complain about any moral atrocity, let alone hypocrisy.