Reminder Westbrook was never a cancer, and won everywhere he went

[Duderonomy]

the soul exception being with Lebron and the Lakers.

A dedicated and hard working player who carries the load of often bad teams.

[bison]

He's a fantastic basketball player. I would still have wanted him on the Lakers if not for Lebron. You really can't pair Lebron with anyone because he's such an awful team player. But Westbrook has been slandered beyond belief. The guy has been the muscle on all the teams he's played for, but he has a knack for embellishing his mistakes. In other words, he makes the same mistakes other star players do (bad shot selection, turnover etc) but when he makes those mistakes, they are egregious, and that's like candy to our low IQ social media climate. Guy can have 20 straight productive games, but if he makes one turnover in those games then that's what social media ever talks about. Conversely, no one would care about lebron if social media didn't exist. He would be another Kendall Gill if he played in the 90s while Westbrook would have multiple MVPs

[Akeem34TheDream]

I mean he can be problematic at the end of the games sometimes but I was shocked that half of the posters here acted like he was the worst starter in the league. That was the proof to me that people don't actually believe in what they write. It is just a narrative thing.

[Johnny32]

I mean he can be problematic at the end of the games sometimes but I was shocked that half of the posters here acted like he was the worst starter in the league. That was the proof to me that people don't actually believe in what they write. It is just a narrative thing.

Worst starter in the league, probably not. One of the worse players in NBA history given his role and production, absolutely.

https://lakeshowlife.com/2022/03/18/russell-westbrook-stats-worst-season-nba-history/

[Johnny32]

They don't like to click links around here so...

Westbrook is averaging 34.3 minutes per game with a 27.2% usage rate (that is low compared to the rest of his career). Thus, the parameters were set. Players had to have a usage rate of at least 27% and had to play at least 32 minutes per game (exactly 75% or more of the overall minutes in a game).

We then filtered the results by Box Plus/Minus, which is a reliable stat for ranking players (for example, the top five players in the NBA this season in BPM are Nikola Jokic, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Joel Embiid, Luka Doncic and LeBron James, the five front-runners for MVP).

Westbrook’s -2.2 BPM is the seventh-worst in league history with those parameters set. To put that into perspective, there have been 670 individual seasons with those parameters set (Nikola Jokic’s current campaign is actually the best ever with these parameters).

Ranking 664/670 in NBA history is not something that Westbrook should be proud of. The six players that rank below him are:

Richard Hamilton, 2001-02, -2.2 BPM
Mike Mitchell, 1985-86, -2.3 BPM
Chris Kaman, 2009-10, -2.5 BPM
Anthony Edwards, 2020-21, -2.6 BPM
Darrell Griffith, 1980-81, -3.2 BPM
Pete Maravich, 1978-79, -3.7 BPM

[Akeem34TheDream]

Throw random stats all you want. Watch Westbrook next season, he will still be a net positive player despite getting older. He might have performed badly in Lakers but that was more Lakers fault. He was pretty good at Wizards before and Clippers after(although he didn't play that many games for Clippers yet). Also Lebron really can't play with some people. Putting a point guard next to him doesn't make sense. I've also seen people here saying Lebron and Draymond would have been a great duo. People either do not watch any games or they are just stupid.

[Full Court]

Lebron was the dead weight on the Lakers.

Westbrook was the scapegoat.

[ArbitraryWater]

the soul exception being with Lebron and the Lakers.

A dedicated and hard working player who carries the load of often bad teams.


soul exception, holy shit.


just when you thought youve seen it all


pre-madonna

[beasted]

Throw random stats all you want. Watch Westbrook next season, he will still be a net positive player despite getting older. He might have performed badly in Lakers but that was more Lakers fault. He was pretty good at Wizards before and Clippers after(although he didn't play that many games for Clippers yet). Also Lebron really can't play with some people. Putting a point guard next to him doesn't make sense. I've also seen people here saying Lebron and Draymond would have been a great duo. People either do not watch any games or they are just stupid.

They said the same things about Rose and Wade on Cleveland, they went to other teams (Knicks, Heat) and had bounce back seasons.

You wouldn't think this with his passing ability, but LeBron is definitely one of the most difficult players to build around in the top 10 players in NBA history.

He can basically only play with shooters, and most of the time (except for Miami) refused to post up, which would make him a crazy threat to get hockey assists, bully, out-quick, or shoot over the top of 95% of opponents.

[ArbitraryWater]

They said the same things about Rose and Wade on Cleveland, they went to other teams (Knicks, Heat) and had bounce back seasons.

You wouldn't think this with his passing ability, but LeBron is definitely one of the most difficult players to build around in the top 10 players in NBA history.

He can basically only play with shooters, and most of the time (except for Miami) refused to post up, which would make him a crazy threat to get hockey assists, bully, out-quick, or shoot over the top of 95% of opponents.

he won with Wade, Irving and Davis?


btw how would shooters be difficult to build for and what team hasnt won with shooting since 2011?

[SouBeachTalents]

he won with Wade, Irving and Davis?


btw how would shooters be difficult to build for and what team hasnt won with shooting since 2011?
Ironically I feel like only LeBron teams have won without shooting over that timeframe. The 2020 Lakers were a poor 3 point shooting team, the 2012 Heat weren't good either.

[90sgoat]

At this point he would be best suited as a high usage 6th man.

Any team with Westbrook as 6th man would be a contender.

[EllEffEll]

I would not describe him as a cancer per se. I like him, and hoped for years that he might find his way here. The problem was, that when he finally arrived, it wasn't a great fit. If Russ would have been more malleable, he could likely still be a Laker. Some players can do that. Russ isn't one of them, at least not yet.

[Johnny32]

he won with Wade, Irving and Davis?


btw how would shooters be difficult to build for and what team hasnt won with shooting since 2011?

2020 Lakers were 21st in 3pt% and 23rd in 3pta. 2007 cavs were also bad and one of the heat teams were middle of the pack. That's three different rosters with mediocre to bad 3pt shooting that LeGOAT led to the finals. I have that chick on ignore for a reason, she's clueless as ****.

[Full Court]

2020 Lakers were 21st in 3pt% and 23rd in 3pta. 2007 cavs were also bad and one of the heat teams were middle of the pack. That's three different rosters with mediocre to bad 3pt shooting that LeGOAT led to the finals. I have that chick on ignore for a reason, she's clueless as ****.

No matter how many bitch fits you throw, LeShrivel STILL led a super team to the lottery.

Ponder this deeply: he led a SUPER TEAM to the LOTTERY.

:lebroncry:

[RRR3]

Ironically I feel like only LeBron teams have won without shooting over that timeframe. The 2020 Lakers were a poor 3 point shooting team, the 2012 Heat weren't good either.
LeBron doesn't need good shooting, it's a ridiculous myth. It makes it easier for him, but that's true for everyone. He has probably been on bad shooting teams at least half of his career and he's been very successful anyways.

[beasted]

he won with Wade, Irving and Davis?


btw how would shooters be difficult to build for and what team hasnt won with shooting since 2011?

Are you talking about the same 39% career 3PT shooting Irving who shot 44% through that title run?

Or how about Davis who has his most makes and attempts of his career that year and shot 38% for that title run?

Or how about playing with Wade that forced Miami to go so small that Bosh was playing Center and Battier playing PF guys that through their entire career did not play those spots just to wring every last drop of shooting out of the 5 man units?

Face it. LeBron is a great player, but all the fanboys have to understand he's not perfect. Just like Jordan was a poor 3pt shooter, one of LeBron's criticisms is that he absolutely cannot play without multiple shooters in the lineup. It's largely due in part to his lack of post up ability.

[beasted]

No matter how many bitch fits you throw, LeShrivel STILL led a super team to the lottery.

Ponder this deeply: he led a SUPER TEAM to the LOTTERY.

:lebroncry:

He's also had arguably the worst Finals series ever for an MVP candidate. They love to cherry pick the crap out of his career to pretend losing in the Finals is some lifetime achievement.

[ArbitraryWater]

Ironically I feel like only LeBron teams have won without shooting over that timeframe. The 2020 Lakers were a poor 3 point shooting team, the 2012 Heat weren't good either.


Good point.

Not just is it mandatory to have shooting teams in order to win nowadays, LeBron has actually managed to win with the worst shooting teams of those championship teams.

[ArbitraryWater]

Are you talking about the same 39% career 3PT shooting Irving who shot 44% through that title run?

Or how about Davis who has his most makes and attempts of his career that year and shot 38% for that title run?

Or how about playing with Wade that forced Miami to go so small that Bosh was playing Center and Battier playing PF guys that through their entire career did not play those spots just to wring every last drop of shooting out of the 5 man units?

Face it. LeBron is a great player, but all the fanboys have to understand he's not perfect. Just like Jordan was a poor 3pt shooter, one of LeBron's criticisms is that he absolutely cannot play without multiple shooters in the lineup. It's largely due in part to his lack of post up ability.


Davis isnt a "shooter". Neither is Wade.

So yes, Im talking about them and your dumb myth about LeBron "needing shooters", when every team needs this, and in fact LeBron has needed it the least in order to win, since 2011. Newsflash, there isnt a single team in the NBA that doesnt have multiple shooters.

Lets see if this reaches that thick skull of yours.

[beasted]

Davis isnt a "shooter". Neither is Wade.

So yes, Im talking about them and your dumb myth about LeBron "needing shooters", when every team needs this, and in fact LeBron has needed it the least in order to win, since 2011. Newsflash, there isnt a single team in the NBA that doesnt have multiple shooters.

Lets see if this reaches that thick skull of yours.

Whatever dickhead. All teams need shooters, some players need shooters more than others. It's that simple, but hey, common sense isn't too common.

Players like Giannis cannot survive without shooters because teams would literally pack the paint and dare him to shoot all night and he'd literally have no answer.

LeBron isn't nearly as bad as Giannis in this regard, but is worse than others. His lack of consistent outside shooting and post game made him less effective and handicapped his teams if he didn't have shooters at almost every position. That's the point that your pea brain hasn't been able to understand. At this point I'll stop trying to teach a functioning idiot and leave it to the professional caseworkers.

[3ba11]

the soul exception being with Lebron and the Lakers.

A dedicated and hard working player who carries the load of often bad teams.


Lebron had horrific fits with spotty-shooting ball-handlers like Westbrook, Wade, Hughes or Ingram - it's laughable that people say he has high IQ and elevates teammates when most player types have weak fits and don't play to capacity alongside him..

He literally decreases teammate assists and increases their assisted rate (imposes spot-up roles), which never developed a single young player to meaningful producer and yields weaker team offense compared to other all-timers that didn't dominate the ball and were expert jumpshooters (Curry, MJ, Bird).. High IQ doh smh

[Manny98]

Westbrook will go down as one of the most underrated players in NBA history

PG,Beal,KD, Harden and LeBron all had there best scoring seasons playing next to Westbrook, his ability to make others around him better is absolutely amazing and doesn't get noted enough

Shame he was the scapegoat blame for KD not winning in OKC when reality KD choked against the Warriors back in 2016

[Full Court]

LeBron doesn't need good shooting, it's a ridiculous myth. It makes it easier for him, but that's true for everyone. He has probably been on bad shooting teams at least half of his career and he's been very successful anyways.

And yet, as he was leading a super team to the lottery, all his fan boys were constantly crying "Why won't the Lakers trade for some shooters?? Pelinka is the worst!!!"

You're just not very intelligent.

:lebroncry:

[John8204]

[QUOTE=Manny98;14822881]Westbrook will go down as one of the most underrated players in NBA history

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Yes he's not a cancer that's why no team wants him as a starting PG and he's getting bench money. He was very lucky he got an MVP and made the top 75....and he should thank Steven Adams every day for letting him pick up all those bs rebounds to pad his numbers and his bank account.

[BarberSchool]

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Yes he's not a cancer that's why no team wants him as a starting PG and he's getting bench money. He was very lucky he got an MVP and made the top 75....and he should thank Steven Adams every day for letting him pick up all those bs rebounds to pad his numbers and his bank account.and then some.

This emotionally explosive batty bwoy is quite literally the worst type of teammate to have. A low efficiency, dumb as bricks, DL, hyper athletic turnover machine. Played with one of them in AAU ball, and it’s a MF nightmare.

[imdaman99]

Westbrook was not good with the lakers but that's cuz it was a toxic environment. He wasn't allowed to be himself but at least he netted the lakers some players. LeBron fans always need a scapegoat, and Russ was the perfect one.

[Manny98]

[QUOTE=Manny98;14822881]Westbrook will go down as one of the most underrated players in NBA history

[QUOTE]

https://media0.giphy.com/media/1nDm900wgGU1O/200w.gif?cid=790b76115w586bzqqihum9tfsn4mvjphnbcod 956o33owud8&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.gif&ct=g

Yes he's not a cancer that's why no team wants him as a starting PG and he's getting bench money. He was very lucky he got an MVP and made the top 75....and he should thank Steven Adams every day for letting him pick up all those bs rebounds to pad his numbers and his bank account.
He's past his prime dumbass yet he still managed to do great on the Clippers, he's a great teammate and most people who have played with Russ have said nothing but the upmost positive things about him


https://youtu.be/ctZHjxVbPFM?si=OGe39k3DS8M5PzP3