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1987_Lakers
08-26-2023, 12:27 PM
Who was it?
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ILLsmak
08-26-2023, 12:47 PM
One of those three wasn't shot or shot at. It's not beyond rational thought to believe Trump is 'in on it,' too. This whole thing like... from 2000 on really, has been nutso, if you look at everything that happened and chart it out. Those other guys did their thing, but they faced actual shotz. Not just in the arm mirite.
There's nothing wrong with 'establishment,' anyway... it's just that ours is ridic corrupt, and I don't think we're gonna fix it through politics. I think we have to start by changing ourselves and what is around us.
That they are going after Trump now after he's pres for the whole j6 thing and the 'election' thing is just... aiye. Sad times for USA. I hope we can get it together. We need religion to make a comeback!!
-Smak
You are a sheep if you think any of those guys were anti-establishment. Kennedy being part of a political dynasty and a guy who was groomed for taking office practically from birth might make him the funniest choice though. Jackson was a ****ing genocide perpetrator btw no one should be looking up to that maniac.
1987_Lakers
08-26-2023, 01:08 PM
One of those three wasn't shot or shot at. It's not beyond rational thought to believe Trump is 'in on it,' too
Nah, Trump has his issues, but the establishment is for sure against him, the whole media hates him and he was doing interviews with Alex Jones at one point. Now he just got arrested right when the 2024 republican primaries started. Nothing fishy there. :lol
Andrew Jackson was another nut job, but hated by the bank and the establishment. Dude's inauguration party had random people in the steets celebrating inside the white house.
JFK was supposed to be an establishment president, but he went rogue at one point, hence the assassination.
1987_Lakers
08-26-2023, 01:09 PM
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Real Men Wear Green
08-26-2023, 02:17 PM
You are a sheep if you think any of those guys were anti-establishment. Kennedy being part of a political dynasty and a guy who was groomed for taking office practically from birth might make him the funniest choice though. Jackson was a ****ing genocide perpetrator btw no one should be looking up to that maniac.
Trump tried to overturn an election. He is definitely anti-establishment.
Patrick Chewing
08-26-2023, 02:34 PM
The one who the opposition had imprisoned because he beat one of their own in 2016.
diamenz
08-26-2023, 02:40 PM
maybe.. fdr? :confusedshrug:
Lakers Legend#32
08-26-2023, 03:44 PM
The establishment allowed Trump to remain president because he gave them a tax cut.
John8204
08-26-2023, 06:19 PM
It's tricky lot of good choices that Lakerfan didn't decide to list.
Grover Cleveland would be my pick
Nanners
08-27-2023, 05:36 AM
Probably William McKinley.... maybe JFK
TheMan
08-28-2023, 06:28 PM
JFK easily...he got whacked because of it.
Jasper
08-29-2023, 10:17 AM
JFK easily...he got whacked because of it.
TRump owns the whack jobs.
and Trump was never groomed to be a prez ... - His dad showed him how to make real estate money(.)
Lakers Legend#32
08-29-2023, 04:37 PM
His dad showed him how to make real estate money(.)
And how not to rent their apartment buildings to African Americans.
ArbitraryWater
08-29-2023, 04:50 PM
Gotta be Trump.
No other way really.
Bill Gates
08-29-2023, 06:14 PM
I have a better question. Why do so many Americans have the mindset of whatever goes against the establishment is best?
What happens when the party that you have supported for years wins and becomes the establishment? I mean, isn't that the overall goal?
For decades conservatives have been the establishment, while liberals protest and fought, raging against the machine. But now all the teens who grew up listening to Rage have become the establishment. It is weird that we now have conservatives on the outside looking in for once. But I can't help but to notice individuals such as Nanners who have switched teams based on the simple concept that the establishment is always wrong, no matter who it is.
What is even the point of rooting for the underdog only to leave them the moment they finally get power?
diamenz
08-29-2023, 06:17 PM
I have a better question. Why do so many Americans have the mindset of whatever goes against the establishment is best?
What happens when the party that you have supported for years wins and becomes the establishment? I mean, isn't that the overall goal?
For decades conservatives have been the establishment, while liberals protest and fought, raging against the machine. But now all the teens who grew up listening to Rage have become the establishment. It is weird that have conservatives on the outside looking in for once. But I can't help but to notice individuals such as Nanners who have switched teams based on the simple concept that the establishment is always wrong, no matter who it is.
What is even the point of rooting for the underdog only to leave them the moment they finally get power?
what's your definition of "the establishment"?
my definition, which i believe to be the proper definition, is any party or politician that is bought off and paid for by big $.
Bill Gates
08-29-2023, 06:23 PM
what's your definition of "the establishment"?
my definition, which i believe to be the proper definition, is any party or politician that is bought off and paid for by big $.
Maybe that is a proper way to view it, but like I said a lot of those rich CEOs and those with deep pockets are 40-50 year olds that were the teens who were raging against the machine back in the day when conservatives were the establishment. It took decades but the shift finally happened. Same with everyone in charge of our media, those are the angry teens of yesterday. We FINALLY have a left leaning establishment after all these years, only for many to jump ship based on the simple fact that they can't side with whatever the establishment is, no matter what they stand for.
diamenz
08-31-2023, 05:01 PM
Maybe that is a proper way to view it, but like I said a lot of those rich CEOs and those with deep pockets are 40-50 year olds that were the teens who were raging against the machine back in the day when conservatives were the establishment. It took decades but the shift finally happened. Same with everyone in charge of our media, those are the angry teens of yesterday. We FINALLY have a left leaning establishment after all these years, only for many to jump ship based on the simple fact that they can't side with whatever the establishment is, no matter what they stand for.
'the establishment' is economically conservative, socially liberal... for the most part.
Norcaliblunt
09-02-2023, 08:57 PM
To become president you are the establishment.
To become president you are the establishment.
They don’t get this. They honestly think any of these clowns care about them :oldlol:
And it’s both sides who don’t get it.
Patrick Chewing
09-02-2023, 10:19 PM
Uh oh, the anarcho-communists are multiplying. Now there's 2.
Fatrick simply can't stop following me around :facepalm
Baller234
09-03-2023, 10:38 AM
To become president you are the establishment.
Donald Trump is certainly backed by his own big money faction, but Stevie Wonder wearing a blindfold could see that he's not a member of the current club in Washington.
They aren't going after Trump because he's an existential threat to democracy, it's because he's an existential threat to their money making operation.
Norcaliblunt
09-03-2023, 11:32 AM
Donald Trump is certainly backed by his own big money faction, but Stevie Wonder wearing a blindfold could see that he's not a member of the current club in Washington.
They aren't going after Trump because he's an existential threat to democracy, it's because he's an existential threat to their money making operation.
Naw I don’t buy it. If they really feared Trump in any real way he would have been de-platformed, shadow banned, and the algorithm would have scrubbed him clean of the internet back in 2015 2016. CNN would have never brought him up.
But he made them a ton of money. Lmao.
Trump is the rights version of Obama. It’s comical because the bases of both are way similar in the overhype they give these dudes. Detractors too.
Baller234
09-03-2023, 11:37 AM
Naw I don’t buy it. If they really feared Trump in any real way he would have been de-platformed, shadow banned, and the algorithm would have scrubbed him clean of the internet back in 2015 2016. CNN would have never brought him up.
But he made them a ton of money. Lmao.
Trump is the rights version of Obama. It’s comical because the bases of both are way similar in the overhype they give these dudes.
Uh, they did de-platform him. It's why he started Truth Social.
Norcaliblunt
09-03-2023, 11:42 AM
Uh, they did de-platform him. It's why he started Truth Social.
Not in 2015. If he’s a real threat he doesn’t get this far.
And he is probably being discussed on Meet The Press right now. Lol. That’s establishment shit.
Baller234
09-03-2023, 11:45 AM
Not in 2015. If he’s a real threat he doesn’t get this far.
And he is probably being discussed on Meet The Press right now. Lol. That’s establishment shit.
He wasn't considered a threat because they didn't think he could win. Even now it's become common practice for CNN & MSNBC to cut away when Trump speaks.
I mean what are you saying here? That this is all a charade and Trump is in on it? That when the cameras aren't rolling, Trump and Biden are enjoying a cigar together?
Norcaliblunt
09-03-2023, 11:49 AM
He wasn't considered a threat because they didn't think he could win. Even now it's become common practice for CNN & MSNBC to cut away when Trump speaks.
I mean what are you saying here? That this is all a charade and Trump is in on it? That when the cameras aren't rolling, Trump and Biden are enjoying a cigar together?
Yeah I’m saying elections are rigged both ways, and this stuff really is some WWE shit.
Obama Stan’s act the same way. Like he was somehow above other politicians and the clown show. It’s pretty funny.
Baller234
09-03-2023, 11:56 AM
Yeah I’m saying elections are rigged both ways, and this stuff really is some WWE shit.
Obama Stan’s act the same way. Like he was somehow above other politicians and the clown show. It’s pretty funny.
So if elections are rigged, you're saying that the secret rulers of this country purposely let Trump win in 2016? This is sounds like an awfully big reach. What did they have to gain? Hillary was the definition of a team player and would have basically been a third term for Obama.
Like I said, Trump clearly wasn't part of the plan. Whatever faction he represents is clearly at odds with whatever faction currently holds power in Washington. Your theory here is kind of crazy.
Naw I don’t buy it. If they really feared Trump in any real way he would have been de-platformed, shadow banned, and the algorithm would have scrubbed him clean of the internet back in 2015 2016. CNN would have never brought him up.
But he made them a ton of money. Lmao.
Trump is the rights version of Obama. It’s comical because the bases of both are way similar in the overhype they give these dudes. Detractors too.
:applause: :applause: :applause:
So if elections are rigged, you're saying that the secret rulers of this country purposely let Trump win in 2016? This is sounds like an awfully big reach. What did they have to gain? Hillary was the definition of a team player and would have basically been a third term for Obama.
Like I said, Trump clearly wasn't part of the plan. Whatever faction he represents is clearly at odds with whatever faction currently holds power in Washington. Your theory here is kind of crazy.
They don’t like Trump because he’s horrible at optics. That’s literally it. They’re fine with his actual policies.
Also as for Trump and Biden smoking cigars behind the scenes together…you do know the Clintons were at Trump’s wedding right? They were personal friends of Trump. He even called Bill to ask if he should run for president.
Norcaliblunt
09-03-2023, 02:51 PM
So if elections are rigged, you're saying that the secret rulers of this country purposely let Trump win in 2016? This is sounds like an awfully big reach. What did they have to gain? Hillary was the definition of a team player and would have basically been a third term for Obama.
Like I said, Trump clearly wasn't part of the plan. Whatever faction he represents is clearly at odds with whatever faction currently holds power in Washington. Your theory here is kind of crazy.
Trump was a Hollywood hack celebrity before 2016. That’s establishment just so we are clear.
But what did they have to gain? Look at the world. Trump completely hi jacked alternative media on the right just like Obama hijacked alternative media on the left. They gave both sides an “outsider” to reel them back into the two mainstream parties.
The factions that are battling are new money vs old money. New media vs old media. And the oligarchs on both sides are cashing in on this WWE style entertainment while everyone else loses.
Baller234
09-04-2023, 12:16 AM
Trump was a Hollywood hack celebrity before 2016. That’s establishment just so we are clear.
But what did they have to gain? Look at the world. Trump completely hi jacked alternative media on the right just like Obama hijacked alternative media on the left. They gave both sides an “outsider” to reel them back into the two mainstream parties.
The factions that are battling are new money vs old money. New media vs old media. And the oligarchs on both sides are cashing in on this WWE style entertainment while everyone else loses.
So that powers that be wanted Trump to be president instead of Hillary?
Are you smoking crack?
Tell me you're smoking crack.
So that powers that be wanted Trump to be president instead of Hillary?
Are you smoking crack?
Tell me you're smoking crack.
They wanted Hillary but they would have made sure Trump didn't win if they were that concerned about him is his point. Which is true. Trump would have never got past the primaries if he was actually a threat to capital or American imperialism.
Baller234
09-04-2023, 08:48 AM
They wanted Hillary but they would have made sure Trump didn't win if they were that concerned about him is his point. Which is true. Trump would have never got past the primaries if he was actually a threat to capital or American imperialism.
They made sure Trump didn't win in 2020.
Covid, voting from home, ballot dumping... the "Safest Election Ever(TM)".
Norcaliblunt
09-04-2023, 10:38 AM
So that powers that be wanted Trump to be president instead of Hillary?
Are you smoking crack?
Tell me you're smoking crack.
Gotta agree to disagree on this one homie. If it can be rigged, it is rigged. Hilary was never meant to be president. Obama and his people literally proved that in 2008.
It is ok though I understand the need to want to believe that some antiestablishment hero is out there coming to save us. And Trump does say some funny shit you would not think a politician would say. But then again Obama titillated his groupies with crisp rhetoric about change. Lmao. It is all the same.
Baller234
09-04-2023, 10:57 AM
Gotta agree to disagree on this one homie. If it can be rigged, it is rigged. Hilary was never meant to be president. Obama and his people literally proved that in 2008.
It is ok though I understand the need to want to believe that some antiestablishment hero is out there coming to save us. And Trump does say some funny shit you would not think a politician would say. But then again Obama titillated his groupies with crisp rhetoric about change. Lmao. It is all the same.
Judging from this post I think even you realize how retarded your argument is. :oldlol:
Nobody in their right mind thinks that there was a secret deep state cabal that wanted Trump as president instead of Hillary. She clearly had the backing of the establishment as well as the establishment backed media. If they wanted Trump to win, they wouldn't have gone out of their way to portray him as the second coming of Hitler.
You aren't fooling anyone. You hate Trump BUT you've also adopted an anti-establishment identity, therefore in order to save face you have to lie and pretend that Trump was this pre-selected establishment pick from the beginning.
Now you want us to believe that the deep state was conspiring with Trump to win OVER Hillary???
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Norcaliblunt
09-04-2023, 11:13 AM
You aren't fooling anyone. You hate Trump BUT you've also adopted an anti-establishment identity, therefore in order to save face you have to lie and pretend that Trump was this pre-selected establishment pick from the beginning.
And you are just a Republican. Lmao
Baller234
09-04-2023, 11:21 AM
And you are just a Republican. Lmao
I am currently a registered independent.
I was raised in a liberal household. The first time I ever voted, it was for John Kerry. Then I voted for Obama twice. I was also young and naive and not fully informed. The first time I ever voted for someone with an R next to their name, it was Trump.
You don't have to like Trump, but to try and gaslight everyone into thinking that he was the establishment's real choice for president instead of Hillary is a whole new level of dishonesty.
Norcaliblunt
09-04-2023, 11:25 AM
I am currently a registered independent.
I was raised in a liberal household. The first time I ever voted, it was for John Kerry. Then I voted for Obama twice. I was also young and naive and not fully informed. The first time I ever voted for someone with an R next to their name, it was Trump.
You don't have to like Trump, but to try and gaslight everyone into thinking that he was the establishment's real choice for president instead of Hillary is a whole new level of dishonesty.
So you are confused. Lmao
Baller234
09-04-2023, 11:27 AM
So you are confused. Lmao
It's hard to take anything you say on this subject seriously when you're trying to make the case that Trump was the establishment pick instead of Hillary.
It would be like starting off a discussion by saying 2+2=7. Everything you say after that isn't going to matter.
Norcaliblunt
09-04-2023, 11:40 AM
It's hard to take anything you say on this subject seriously when you're trying to make the case that Trump was the establishment pick instead of Hillary.
It would be like starting off a discussion by saying 2+2=7. Everything you say after that isn't going to matter.
The feeling is mutual homie.
It’s ok though keep believing Trump a Hollywood hack is some rebel savior.
While you vote in the next election after openly admitting it’s rigged. Lmao. I’ll be voting with my dollars not tripping on any outcome.
Baller234
09-04-2023, 11:53 AM
The feeling is mutual homie.
It’s ok though keep believing Trump a Hollywood hack is some rebel savior.
While you vote in the next election after openly admitting it’s rigged. Lmao. I’ll be voting with my dollars not tripping on any outcome.
I never said he was a rebel savior, but he definitely isn't an establishment puppet. He definitely wasn't the choice over Hillary.
You're melting down right now because you said something ridiculously stupid.
Norcaliblunt
09-04-2023, 11:54 AM
I never said he was a rebel savior, but he definitely isn't an establishment puppet. He definitely wasn't the choice over Hillary.
You're melting down right now because you said something ridiculously stupid.
Ok I believe you.
bladefd
09-04-2023, 01:47 PM
Trump did what the swamp (aka the establishment) wanted. Things like tax cuts for the wealthy and putting establishment folks in his revolving cabinet, etc. He was all talk about draining the swamp, but the fact is he is part of that very swamp that Biden/Clinton/etc are. Full stop.
Trump did what the swamp (aka the establishment) wanted. Things like tax cuts for the wealthy and putting establishment folks in his revolving cabinet, etc. He was all talk about draining the swamp, but the fact is he is part of that very swamp that Biden/Clinton/etc are.
Incoming baller meltdown. “NOOOOOO my hero Trump is different”
bladefd
09-04-2023, 01:57 PM
Incoming baller meltdown. “NOOOOOO my hero Trump is different”
I have that moron blocked for a while now. I don't bother with his posts because they are all idiotic.
Baller234
09-05-2023, 01:51 PM
The genius posters on team blue have reached such a level of desperation that they are now trying to make the case that Donald Trump is in fact an establishment puppet, and that the campaign being levied against him is all just one giant charade. This way they still get to bash Orange Face AND retain their so called street cred by claiming to be anti-establishment.
Just further proof that they're mostly just trolls and bad faith actors, in case anyone in this thread was on the fence.
The genius posters on team blue have reached such a level of desperation that they are now trying to make the case that Donald Trump is in fact an establishment puppet, and that the campaign being levied against him is all just one giant charade. This way they still get to bash Orange Face AND retain their so called street cred by claiming to be anti-establishment.
Just further proof that they're mostly just trolls and bad faith actors, in case anyone in this thread was on the fence.
Trump was great friends with the Clintons. They were at his wedding and he called Bill to ask if he should run. Love how you ignore stuff like this. Yeah they’re sick of Trump now because he behaved stupidly optics wise and insulted a bunch of people but no one in the establishment fears his actual policies.
Baller234
09-05-2023, 01:59 PM
Trump was great friends with the Clintons. They were at his wedding and he called Bill to ask if he should run. Love how you ignore stuff like this. Yeah they’re sick of Trump now because he behaved stupidly optics wise and insulted a bunch of people but no one in the establishment fears his actual policies.
Just because they were associates in the past, doesn't mean they're still associates.
I've attended weddings and functions with all sorts of people I wasn't really friendly with. I've also taken pictures with people I wasn't really friendly with. I imagine it's the same for most of the people in Washington. None of them are really friends.
Sorry, your theory is still retarded.
Just because they were associates in the past, doesn't mean they're still associates.
I've attended weddings and functions with all sorts of people I wasn't really friendly with. I've also taken pictures with people I wasn't really friendly with. I imagine it's the same for most of the people in Washington. None of them are really friends.
Sorry, your theory is still retarded.
Noticed you dodged Trump calling Bill for advice on if he should run for president. Not friends tho!
Baller234
09-05-2023, 04:56 PM
Noticed you dodged Trump calling Bill for advice on if he should run for president. Not friends tho!
Didn't you accuse Orange Face of attempting a coup? Didn't you accuse him of trying to overturn the election and install himself as ruler? If you truly believe this, then how can you also accuse him of being an establishment puppet? If he's on the same team, then why didn't he gracefully bow out and just hand over the reigns to his successor? Isn't that what his establishment masters would have wanted?
Is Trump a traitor who's guilty of sedition... or is he an establishment shill? Pick one, it can't be both.
It's AMAZING how full of shit you are. :oldlol:
Norcaliblunt
09-05-2023, 05:05 PM
The genius posters on team blue have reached such a level of desperation that they are now trying to make the case that Donald Trump is in fact an establishment puppet, and that the campaign being levied against him is all just one giant charade. This way they still get to bash Orange Face AND retain their so called street cred by claiming to be anti-establishment.
Just further proof that they're mostly just trolls and bad faith actors, in case anyone in this thread was on the fence.
You know what you are right. I change my mind.
Trump is going to end the fed, tax Wall Street, dismantle the military industrial complex, dismantle the FDA, get rid of income tax, decriminalize all drugs, issue an executive order ending all regulations on guns, have public executions of pedophiles, secure the border, and build mag lev trains all across America.
I am ready. Go Trump.
Didn't you accuse Orange Face of attempting a coup? Didn't you accuse him of trying to overturn the election and install himself as ruler? If you truly believe this, then how can you also accuse him of being an establishment puppet? If he's on the same team, then why didn't he gracefully bow out and just hand over the reigns to his successor? Isn't that what his establishment masters would have wanted?
Is Trump a traitor who's guilty of sedition... or is he an establishment shill? Pick one, it can't be both.
It's AMAZING how full of shit you are. :oldlol:
Deflection is not helping your case. Respond to me first and then you can get a response.
Baller234
09-05-2023, 05:52 PM
You know what you are right. I change my mind.
Trump is going to end the fed, tax Wall Street, dismantle the military industrial complex, dismantle the FDA, get rid of income tax, decriminalize all drugs, issue an executive order ending all regulations on guns, have public executions of pedophiles, secure the border, and build mag lev trains all across America.
I am ready. Go Trump.
Oh wow, you're really ass blasted huh.
Your straw manning won't work. I didn't say he was a savior or that he was going to save the world, I simply said that whatever faction he represents is not the same establishment that's currently running Washington. Then you went off on some autistic tangent about how he was the REAL establishment choice for president and not Hillary, which of course is utterly ridiculous to anyone paying attention.
Baller234
09-05-2023, 06:03 PM
Deflection is not helping your case. Respond to me first and then you can get a response.
What does that have to do with you having two separate opinions that are on total opposite sides of the spectrum? Lol.
"Trump is a traitor against the government!..."
"Trump is an establishment government shill!..."
Just an utterly shameful display.
TheMan
09-05-2023, 06:05 PM
Oh wow, you're really ass blasted huh.
Your straw manning won't work. I didn't say he was a savior or that he was going to save the world, I simply said that whatever faction he represents is not the same establishment that's currently running Washington. Then you went off on some autistic tangent about how he was the REAL establishment choice for president and not Hillary, which of course is utterly ridiculous to anyone paying attention.
I'm not Team Blue nor Team Red but it's hilarious watching you defend Trump as if he's really some anti establishment hero looking out for the little guy :roll:
Every piece of legislation he championed, right down to the biggest tax cut awarded to the establishment speaks louder than words. He might not be the Establishment's favored puppet, but he did everything they wanted him to do.
What does that have to do with you having two separate opinions that are on total opposite sides of the spectrum? Lol.
"Trump is a traitor against the government!..."
"Trump is an establishment government shill!..."
Just an utterly shameful display.
You can't respond :lol
Sad!
I'm not Team Blue nor Team Red but it's hilarious watching you defend Trump as if he's really some anti establishment hero looking out for the little guy :roll:
Every piece of legislation he championed, right down to the biggest tax cut awarded to the establishment speaks louder than words. He might not be the Establishment's favored puppet, but he did everything they wanted him to do.
But he threw a tantrum and tried to stay in office so he's ackshually anti-establishment bro! Trump just wanted to stay in office, he wasn't going to change anything besides giving himself more power if he could get away with it. The establishment is neoliberal capitalism, Trump isn't against that. He's against himself losing, sure, but it's really rich to suggest someone trying to install themselves as President for life is some working class hero. I think anti-establishment should mean you actually care about the little guy, personally :confusedshrug:
Baller234
09-05-2023, 06:20 PM
I'm not Team Blue nor Team Red but it's hilarious watching you defend Trump as if he's really some anti establishment hero looking out for the little guy :roll:
Hey big brain, before you decide to respond you should learn to read first.
I didn't say he was a savior or that he was going to save the world, I simply said that whatever faction he represents is not the same establishment that's currently running Washington.
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Baller234
09-05-2023, 06:23 PM
But he threw a tantrum and tried to stay in office so he's ackshually anti-establishment bro! Trump just wanted to stay in office, he wasn't going to change anything besides giving himself more power if he could get away with it. The establishment is neoliberal capitalism, Trump isn't against that. He's against himself losing, sure, but it's really rich to suggest someone trying to install themselves as President for life is some working class hero. I think anti-establishment should mean you actually care about the little guy, personally :confusedshrug:
The amount of mental retardation in this post...
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Either Trump is a seditious traitor or he's an establishment puppet. You can't have both.
The amount of mental retardation in this post...
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Either Trump is a seditious traitor or he's an establishment puppet. You can't have both.
It's so funny you literally can't respond to your hero calling Bill Clinton for advice on running for President.
And if you want to claim Trump is anti-establishment because he wanted to make the establishment even worse than it already was by installing himself as president for life, sure I can concede that point. I generally assume people are using anti-establishment as a positive adjective though. Trump was never anti-establishment in terms of getting rid of neoliberal economic policies or imperialism though, I hope you realize that. I think if he achieved his goal of president for life, his government would have been much the same in many aspects, albeit with even more authoritarianism than we already have. Of course he could have gone full Pinochet.
Norcaliblunt
09-05-2023, 06:34 PM
Oh wow, you're really ass blasted huh.
Your straw manning won't work. I didn't say he was a savior or that he was going to save the world, I simply said that whatever faction he represents is not the same establishment that's currently running Washington. Then you went off on some autistic tangent about how he was the REAL establishment choice for president and not Hillary, which of course is utterly ridiculous to anyone paying attention.
I’m open to hearing what Trump policies you think are antiestablishment. Give some examples.
And CNN selling pharmaceutical ads using Trump outrage for ratings is not an example.
I’m open to hearing what Trump policies you think are antiestablishment. Give some examples.
And CNN selling pharmaceutical adds using Trump outrage for ratings is not an example.
I think the best argument he has is arguing that Trump tried to do a coup, ironically enough considering he'll never make that argument :lol Although trying to maintain power indefinitely doesn't necessarily signify you're going to make significant changes to the economic system or imperialism by any means.
Baller234
09-05-2023, 06:55 PM
I’m open to hearing what Trump policies you think are antiestablishment. Give some examples.
And CNN selling pharmaceutical ads using Trump outrage for ratings is not an example.
Was it the establishment's idea to withdraw from the Paris Climate Accord? What about the Iran Deal? Are you telling me that the establishment were the ones who made these arrangements and then instructed Trump to break them?
Who wanted to keep the economy running during Covid and have things open again by no later than Easter of 2020? Was that the establishment too?
TheMan
09-05-2023, 06:59 PM
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Simple question bro...did Trump or did Trump not push Establishment policies? I DGAF what he said, I care what he did. He pushed the biggest tax cut the rich ever received while doing nothing for the working class, that is not up for debate. Anti Establishment rulers worldwide push policies that help the general populace and not for the elite. If you want to see someone who is actually working for the little guy, look no further than south of the border. Mexican president Andres Lopez Obrador is actually doing something for the middle and lower classes, much to the chagrin of the elite, hence his enormous popularity, polls have him consistently at 65% or higher approval ratings. If Trump actually did what he said he was going to do for the working man, he would have been so popular that he would be essentially untouchable lest you want to provoke a revolution by the masses. He didn't do shit, he's supported by basically the same segment of American righties that support every GOP POTUS that ever existed.
bladefd
09-05-2023, 07:24 PM
But he threw a tantrum and tried to stay in office so he's ackshually anti-establishment bro! Trump just wanted to stay in office, he wasn't going to change anything besides giving himself more power if he could get away with it. The establishment is neoliberal capitalism, Trump isn't against that. He's against himself losing, sure, but it's really rich to suggest someone trying to install themselves as President for life is some working class hero. I think anti-establishment should mean you actually care about the little guy, personally :confusedshrug:
Trump is a part of the very establishment and he happens to be a major textbook narcissist who ultimately cares most about himself first & foremost. To a narcissist, even his friends and family come second behind only himself.
Norcaliblunt
09-05-2023, 07:26 PM
Was it the establishment's idea to withdraw from the Paris Climate Accord? What about the Iran Deal? Are you telling me that the establishment were the ones who made these arrangements and then instructed Trump to break them?
Who wanted to keep the economy running during Covid and have things open again by no later than Easter of 2020? Was that the establishment too?
The climate and Iran are both establishment politics. Being on one side or the other on those does not make you antiestablishment. Unless you are issuing the building of nuclear power plants and mag lev trains across America or lifting all sanctions on Iran. That would be antiestablishment.
As for 2020 this is when Trump showed how weak he really was. He wanted to keep the economy running and country open? Lmao. Wanting and not doing when you have executive power is the weakest shit ever. Lol. He did not keep the economy running and let the whole country shutdown. Straight despicable. And he got jabbed.
Baller234
09-05-2023, 09:06 PM
Do you guys not know what the word "establishment" means?
Nobody is denying that Donald Trump represents his own business partners first and foremost. That doesn't mean he's part of the government establishment. It means he's backed by his own money making faction separate from the one that currently has their claws in Washington.
It sounds like you guys want to accuse Trump of being an establishment puppet simply because he's rich and does things that benefit other rich people. Newsflash if he were really a member of the club they wouldn't be going this hard at him. It's not like all of the rich and powerful people in the world are on the same team. They have wars behind the scenes just like everyone else. Clearly whatever team Trump is on is at war with whatever team Biden is on.
If this still doesn't make sense to you, and you genuinely believe that Trump is secretly working in tandem with Biden and the democrats... then you just might be mentally retarded. In which case I'm sorry I insulted because I would never mock the handicapped.
Do you guys not know what the word "establishment" means?
Nobody is denying that Donald Trump represents his own business partners first and foremost. That doesn't mean he's part of the government establishment. It means he's backed by his own money making faction separate from the one that currently has their claws in Washington.
It sounds like you guys want to accuse Trump of being an establishment puppet simply because he's rich and does things that benefit other rich people. Newsflash if he were really a member of the club they wouldn't be going this hard at him. It's not like all of the rich and powerful people in the world are on the same team. They have wars behind the scenes just like everyone else. Clearly whatever team Trump is on is at war with whatever team Biden is on.
If this still doesn't make sense to you, and you genuinely believe that Trump is secretly working in tandem with Biden and the democrats... then you just might be mentally retarded. In which case I'm sorry I insulted because I would never mock the handicapped.
People in the establishment were going after Trump because he personally offended them in the past. Not because of his policies. Trump just has really awful interpersonal skills for a politician, and in Washington that’s a big no no. Then he just exacerbated that by trying to overturn an election and remain in power after getting voted out. So yes Biden and the Dems are against him but if he had just acted with any semblance of intelligence they wouldn’t be. Biden has no issue with Trump’s policies, he’s continued many of them. What he has issue with is Trump going after his family. Trump just is really bad at “playing the game” and he’s paying for it. But this isn’t because he’s some working class hero he’s just as much of a corporate stooge as Biden even if you could call him anti establishment for wanting to end whatever shamtastic semblance of democracy this country has.
Baller234
09-05-2023, 09:31 PM
People in the establishment were going after Trump because he personally offended them in the past. Not because of his policies. Trump just has really awful interpersonal skills for a politician, and in Washington that’s a big no no. Then he just exacerbated that by trying to overturn an election and remain in power after getting voted out. So yes Biden and the Dems are against him but if he had just acted with any semblance of intelligence they wouldn’t be. Biden has no issue with Trump’s policies, he’s continued many of them. What he has issue with is Trump going after his family. Trump just is really bad at “playing the game” and he’s paying for it. But this isn’t because he’s some working class hero he’s just as much of a corporate stooge as Biden even if you could call him anti establishment for wanting to end whatever shamtastic semblance of democracy this country has.
I'm sorry, I have to bring out the D-Wade gif for this one.
https://media2.giphy.com/media/J2DYCDA15pTau86IGr/giphy.gif
Are you really this dense and this naive? By that logic why doesn't Biden go after his own VP? During the primaries she insinuated that he had a hand in racist policies and that he was guilty of sexual abuse. If he's so easily offended, why on Earth would he choose her to be his VP after the fact?
You don't think the beef with Trump is over policy and money???? You don't think every power struggle at that level is over money???
https://media2.giphy.com/media/J2DYCDA15pTau86IGr/giphy.gif
Patrick Chewing
09-05-2023, 09:40 PM
Trump is a part of the very establishment and he happens to be a major textbook narcissist who ultimately cares most about himself first & foremost. To a narcissist, even his friends and family come second behind only himself.
How is Trump part of the establishment when he's never been a politician before and has never been part of D.C. politics?? Do you realize how stupid that sounds??
I'm sorry, I have to bring out the D-Wade gif for this one.
https://media2.giphy.com/media/J2DYCDA15pTau86IGr/giphy.gif
Are you really this dense and this naive? By that logic why doesn't Biden go after his own VP? During the primaries she insinuated that he had a hand in racist policies and that he was guilty of sexual abuse. If he's so easily offended, why on Earth would he choose her to be his VP after the fact?
You don't think the beef with Trump is over policy and money???? You don't think every power struggle at that level is over money???
https://media2.giphy.com/media/J2DYCDA15pTau86IGr/giphy.gif
Primaries are frequently vicious, it’s not considered out of the normal “decorum” to what Kamala did. Hillary was quite nasty to Obama during the 2008 primaries and he still gave her SOS. I don’t have to justify their standards because it’s not my standards. Sure they’re hypocrites and idiots and goons. I’m just telling you from their standard Trump “broke the code”. There’s certain ways they expect a politician to carry themselves and Trump didn’t do that. And then he made it so much worse with January 6. Even with all he went through with impeachments he would have come away relatively unscathed if he just conceded the election. I don’t know why you keep asking me to justify these idiots standards when I’m just explaining them to you and not saying they’re my standards. I think GWB was guilty of worse crimes than Trump but he “played the game” the way they wanted him to, hence why he’s still buddies with the Obamas.
How is Trump part of the establishment when he's never been a politician before and has never been part of D.C. politics?? Do you realize how stupid that sounds??
Thinking politicians are the only ones running the country is pretty naive. There’s very little argument that Trump was part of the establishment for most of his life. He’s managed to distance himself from the Democratic side and some republicans through his own personal behavior though so I can concede he’s CURRENTLY anti establishment by some definitions. But he’s not on the little guys side by any means.
warriorfan
09-05-2023, 10:04 PM
And if you want to claim Trump is anti-establishment because he wanted to make the establishment even worse than it already was by installing himself as president for life, sure I can concede that point. I generally assume people are using anti-establishment as a positive adjective though. Trump was never anti-establishment in terms of getting rid of neoliberal economic policies or imperialism though, I hope you realize that. I think if he achieved his goal of president for life, his government would have been much the same in many aspects, albeit with even more authoritarianism than we already have. Of course he could have gone full Pinochet.
lmao
what the ****
dude you could have saved a lot of words and went with your “trump is LITERALLY hitler” thing
Norcaliblunt
09-05-2023, 11:47 PM
Do you guys not know what the word "establishment" means?
Nobody is denying that Donald Trump represents his own business partners first and foremost. That doesn't mean he's part of the government establishment. It means he's backed by his own money making faction separate from the one that currently has their claws in Washington.
It sounds like you guys want to accuse Trump of being an establishment puppet simply because he's rich and does things that benefit other rich people. Newsflash if he were really a member of the club they wouldn't be going this hard at him. It's not like all of the rich and powerful people in the world are on the same team. They have wars behind the scenes just like everyone else. Clearly whatever team Trump is on is at war with whatever team Biden is on.
If this still doesn't make sense to you, and you genuinely believe that Trump is secretly working in tandem with Biden and the democrats... then you just might be mentally retarded. In which case I'm sorry I insulted because I would never mock the handicapped.
Your boy got the jab. Can’t be antiestablishment when you get the jab.
BOTTOM LINE END OF DISCUSSION. Now gtfoh.
Baller234
09-06-2023, 03:01 PM
Your boy got the jab. Can’t be antiestablishment when you get the jab.
BOTTOM LINE END OF DISCUSSION. Now gtfoh.
You said the powers that be wanted Donald Trump as president instead of Hillary Clinton.
YOU'RE RETARDED. BOTTOM LINE END OF DISCUSSION.
Norcaliblunt
09-06-2023, 05:26 PM
You said the powers that be wanted Donald Trump as president instead of Hillary Clinton.
YOU'RE RETARDED. BOTTOM LINE END OF DISCUSSION.
You worship a man who got the jab. Lmao.
bladefd
09-06-2023, 05:37 PM
How is Trump part of the establishment when he's never been a politician before and has never been part of D.C. politics?? Do you realize how stupid that sounds??
His policies/actions as president were very much pro-establishment. Including the massive tax cuts he pushed through for the wealthy/elite. He didn't even attempt to close tax loopholes. He also tried to slash benefits pertaining to medicare, medicaid, ss, but didn't get those through. He had wealthy special interests in his revolving cabinet.
And somehow you believe he was anti-establishment & looking out for the average Americans? :roll:
Baller234
09-06-2023, 10:47 PM
You worship a man who got the jab. Lmao.
Obviously that's not the case because I'm not jabbed. If I were truly a Trump cultist, I would be jabbed like he said I should.
Unlike democrats, my opinion regarding the vaccine doesn't change depending on who's president.
Baller234
09-06-2023, 10:50 PM
His policies/actions as president were very much pro-establishment. Including the massive tax cuts he pushed through for the wealthy/elite. He didn't even attempt to close tax loopholes. He also tried to slash benefits pertaining to medicare, medicaid, ss, but didn't get those through. He had wealthy special interests in his revolving cabinet.
And somehow you believe he was anti-establishment & looking out for the average Americans? :roll:
All corporations got a tax cut genius, that includes small business owners and independent contractors as well.
Like I told Retard Retard Retard 3, either Trump is an establishment puppet or he's a traitor who staged a coup. You aren't allowed to take both sides.
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