View Full Version : Kryie Finals 3 vs Ray Allen 3 - Which Shot Hurt the Most?
8Ball
08-30-2023, 07:02 PM
The 2 greatest shots in NBA finals history. Probably 1 and 2. The 2 most important shots in NBA history.
These 2 shots created the most amount of collective butt hurt in the history of the NBA. Which one hurt more?
Kyrie's shot:
- Game 7 NBA finals.
- 3 pointer over Curry.
- Tie game with 1 minute left.
- Neither team scored for last 4-5 minutes.
- Every player on the court was physically burnt out by that point.
- 73 win team potentially denied a championship.
Ray Allen's Shot:
- Game 6 NBA finals.
- Heat down 3.
- Ray Allen shoots if off running backwards and contested.
- 7 seconds left when he got a shot off.
- Spurs fans ready to celebrate a championship in seconds.
- LeBron haters with the most massive blue balls, seconds from exploding yet going home crying.
I remember watching at a sports bar. There were so many Bran haters and one of them had a Spurs jersey on. He was yelling all 4th quarter and when that shot hit the entire bar went absolutely ape shit and the Spurs fans were completely silent for the rest of the night. They knew the championship was over at that moment.
These 2 shots produced the most amount of butt hurt in the history of the NBA.
SouBeachTalents
08-30-2023, 07:16 PM
Ray’s shot hurt more, but 2016 was more painful for the haters than 2013.
From an objective standpoint, the shot by Ray Allen against the Spurs carries the weight of being the more painful. This is due to the Miami Heat's dire need for the right bounce following Lebron's miss, with a mere 6 seconds remaining on the game clock. The critical role that luck played cannot be underestimated. At that particular juncture the Spurs had essentially sealed their victory. Almost. While Kyrie Irving's against the Warriors unfolded within the context of an active play, with 55 seconds left in the game.
In terms of which shot I found more impressive, I would have to go with Ray Allen's. The sheer celerity with which he reacted, coupled with the impeccable precision he employed with his shot precisely when it held the utmost significance underscore its truly impressive nature.
L.Kizzle
08-30-2023, 07:39 PM
Rays hurts worse. If he misses, Spurs win the game and series.
If Kyrie misses, it's overtime at the worse.
3ba11
08-30-2023, 07:41 PM
Ray and it's not close
it's sad that half of Lebron's rings result from teammate bailout, luck and/or suspension.. he's literally a couple bounces away from 1/10, while MJ never even went to a 7th game, so his 6/6 is LEGIT - he really is a 6-ring guy, while Lebron is more of a one-off against the baby Thunder or a ring where Duncan led the NBA in playoff scoring. I mean AD
SouBeachTalents
08-30-2023, 07:44 PM
Ray and it's not close
it's sad that half of Lebron's rings result from teammate bailout, luck and/or suspension.. he's literally a couple bounces away from 1/10, while MJ never even went to a 7th game, so his 6/6 is LEGIT - he really is a 6-ring guy, while Lebron is more of a one-off against the baby Thunder or a ring where AD led the NBA in playoff scoring
Exhibit A of pain right here.
3ba11
08-30-2023, 07:47 PM
Exhibit A of pain right here.
yeah it hurt bad - smh, RAY is such a killer
(RAY is)
Ray's shot started 10 years of fake news about a guy being GOAT who had the biggest choke in sports history (b2b chokes including 2010) - a spotty-shooting, CHOKING ball-dominator and chemistry-killer.. it's amazing how dumb humans are and how easily swayed.. and evil - it was a fake debate for money and ratings
1987_Lakers
08-30-2023, 07:59 PM
In 2013, me and my friend made a bet on game 6, I had Miami winning. When it looked like the Spurs were gonna win in the final minutes he began to text me gloating over the bet he was about to win, then all of a sudden Miami comes back and wins. Shit was surreal. :oldlol:
In 2016 I was watching the game at a bar full of Warriors' fans, only like one black dude was rooting for LeBron. All I remember is how nervous most of the fans were at the bar, I saw one of them was shaking in fear, no joke. After Kyrie hit the shot, the LeBron fan just kept saying "LeBron's gonna do it!". :oldlol:
3ba11
08-30-2023, 08:11 PM
After Kyrie hit the shot, the LeBron fan just kept saying "LeBron's gonna do it!". :oldlol:
so the lebron fan was confirmed delusional, since Lebron didn't do anything - Kyrie hit the shot, not Lebron
Similar to Shaq, Lebron needs assassin closers like wade, kyrie or even AD hit the big shot vs joker.. so he needs far more help and therefore is inferior to MJ (vastly)
1987_Lakers
08-30-2023, 08:15 PM
so the lebron fan was confirmed delusional, since Lebron didn't do anything - Kyrie hit the shot, not Lebron
Similar to Shaq, Lebron needs assassin closers like wade, kyrie or even AD hit the big shot vs joker.. so he needs far more help and therefore is inferior to MJ (vastly)
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3ba11
08-30-2023, 08:29 PM
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Both Lebron and MJ had teammates make 2 big shots in the Finals, but the difference is that MJ has 4 game-winning or tying shots himself, compared to 0 for Lebron.. MJ is 4-8 on those opportunities (50%) compared to 0-10 for Lebron (0%)
So MJ was the clutch closer for his team, while Kyrie, Wade and AD were for Lebron's teams.
Furthermore, Pippen wasn't a clutch player or closer, while Wade and Kyrie were - Pippen had the worst 4th quarter or clutch stats ever, while Wade/Kyrie often matched or led Lebron in the clutch and 4th.. Kyrie, AD and Wade are elite producers and drafted to be franchise players, while Pippen was a secondary producer like Klay and not drafted to be a franchise palyer.
Full Court
08-30-2023, 08:35 PM
LeShrivel certainly needs someone to bail him out in the clutch. We all know he can't do it himself.
3ba11
08-30-2023, 08:36 PM
Is OP even a Lebron fan because this thread is weird... i.e. imagine thinking someone was goat....... but then bragging about his teammates hitting all the big shots on the championship level because the "goat" never made any.. it's almost like OP is trying to highlight how Lebron never made any big shots on the Finals level and needed franchise players to be "closers" for him like Wade, Kyrie or AD, while also needing a franchise player at 3rd option - it's arguably the most help anyone ever had (3 franchise players on 1 team who hit ALL the big shots in the championship level)
8Ball
08-30-2023, 08:58 PM
Is OP even a Lebron fan because this thread is weird... i.e. imagine thinking someone was goat....... but then bragging about his teammates hitting all the big shots on the championship level because the "goat" never made any.. it's almost like OP is trying to highlight how Lebron never made any big shots on the Finals level and needed franchise players to be "closers" for him like Wade, Kyrie or AD, while also needing a franchise player at 3rd option - it's arguably the most help anyone ever had (3 franchise players on 1 team who hit ALL the big shots in the championship level)
LeBron owns the greatest defensive play of all time in the finals and that will be his statue in Cleveland. LeBron's block >>>> ANY of Jordan's singular play in the finals.
8Ball
08-30-2023, 09:04 PM
Ray and it's not close
it's sad that half of Lebron's rings result from teammate bailout, luck and/or suspension.. he's literally a couple bounces away from 1/10, while MJ never even went to a 7th game, so his 6/6 is LEGIT - he really is a 6-ring guy, while Lebron is more of a one-off against the baby Thunder or a ring where Duncan led the NBA in playoff scoring. I mean AD
I voted 2016.
Jordan greenlighted his autobiography motion picture the day of Cleveland's parade.
LeBron led both teams in all major categories in the finals.
LeBron won FMVP against a 73 win team.
73 > 72 btw.
8Ball
08-30-2023, 09:08 PM
Ray and it's not close
it's sad that half of Lebron's rings result from teammate bailout, luck and/or suspension.. he's literally a couple bounces away from 1/10, while MJ never even went to a 7th game, so his 6/6 is LEGIT - he really is a 6-ring guy, while Lebron is more of a one-off against the baby Thunder or a ring where Duncan led the NBA in playoff scoring. I mean AD
If Ray Allen's shot is a 10/10 for you, where do you rank Kyrie's shot?
tpols
08-30-2023, 09:41 PM
As a non-Lebron fan Ray Allens shot was 1000× more back breaking. Because the spurs had it won.
If Manu or Kawhi hit 1 more free throw... it's over. And then even on Ray's shot it wasn't like it was some scripted genius play. LeBron basically bricked his attempt, Bosh got a rebound off the broken play, and somehow Ray happened to be right next to him for the dish and shot.
It was the luckiest sequence in sports I've ever seen. At least kyries shot was a direct takeover. Rays shot took the universe aligning in a billion ways to occur.
Yall are giving me basketball PTSD out here.....
SouBeachTalents
08-30-2023, 09:42 PM
As a non-Lebron fan Ray Allens shot was 1000× more back breaking. Because the spurs basically had it won.
If Manu or Kawhi hit 1 more free throw... it's over. And then even on Ray's shot it wasn't like it was some scripted genius play. Bron basically bricked his attempt, Bosh got a rebound off the broken play, and somehow Ray happened to be right next to him for the dish and shot.
It was the luckiest sequence in sports I've ever seen. At least kyries shot was a direct takeover. Rays shot took the universe aligning in a billion ways to occur.
Yall are giving me PTSD out here.....
You didn't even mention the craziest part of that ending sequence, when off LeBron's first missed 3 like 3-4 different Spurs got a hand on the ball, it somehow ended up to Miller, who dished it to LeBron for a 3.
SouBeachTalents
08-30-2023, 09:54 PM
Van Gundy before Allen's 3
"If I were Spo I would not put Bosh in the game" :lol
tpols
08-30-2023, 10:23 PM
You didn't even mention the craziest part of that ending sequence, when off LeBron's first missed 3 like 3-4 different Spurs got a hand on the ball, it somehow ended up to Miller, who dished it to LeBron for a 3.
True.... another layer to the improbability. And pop deciding to bench Duncan for small ball. Right up there with Pete Carroll calling a pass play instead of giving the ball to Marshawn lynch on the goal line to beat the Pat's. Even great coaches can be wrong. Nobody gets 100%.
SouBeachTalents
08-30-2023, 10:39 PM
True.... another layer to the improbability. And pop deciding to bench Duncan for small ball. Right up there with Pete Carroll calling a pass play instead of giving the ball to Marshawn lynch on the goal line to beat the Pat's. Even great coaches can be wrong. Nobody gets 100%.
Pete should have 100% run the ball, but to me, the criticism isn't that he called a pass, it was the play that he called. A quick slant throw to the middle of the field, to a nobody receiver, out of a shotgun formation, not even using a play action with Lynch. All these years later it really is inconceivable they would consider that call in that situation.
As for the luckiest sequence I've seen, I've gotta go with the Pats against the Falcons. Everything broke Miami's way for 30 seconds, but the Pats caught legitimately every break imaginable over the final 23 minutes + OT of that game. If literally one play goes differently, the Pats lose :lol HM to the Seahawks against the Packers in 2014, I also think that was a luckier sequence of events than even Miami got.
Spurs m8
08-30-2023, 10:41 PM
The 2 shots that saved his still weak legacy lmfao
The Ray one was the funniest as it came from an offensive rebound from a Bron brick...of course.
He could have had that moment...but as always....shrunk when it mattered
3ba11
08-30-2023, 11:51 PM
If Ray Allen's shot is a 10/10 for you, where do you rank Kyrie's shot?
Greatest shots in Finals history
1) Ray Allen
2) Game 6
3) Kyrie
nayte
08-31-2023, 04:45 AM
Op laid a trap and of course the usual suspects fell for it lol
True.... another layer to the improbability. And pop deciding to bench Duncan for small ball. Right up there with Pete Carroll calling a pass play instead of giving the ball to Marshawn lynch on the goal line to beat the Pat's. Even great coaches can be wrong. Nobody gets 100%.
Don't play percentages - play your best player(s) (instead of sitting him).
Op laid a trap and of course the usual suspects fell for it lol
Who specifically? The obsessed dick suckers who hate him? Lmao.
kawhileonard2
09-01-2023, 11:00 PM
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Jordan was up in both series, Lebron was either tied or down in his series.
8Ball
09-02-2023, 09:39 AM
Jordan was up in both series, Lebron was either tied or down in his series.
Which shot, Ray Allen or Kyrie's hurt you more?
8Ball
09-02-2023, 09:41 AM
The 2 shots that saved his still weak legacy lmfao
The Ray one was the funniest as it came from an offensive rebound from a Bron brick...of course.
He could have had that moment...but as always....shrunk when it mattered
It's the opposite.
Ray Allen scored 0 points in game 7 in 2013 whereas Bron had 37, also Bran had the most points in the 4th quarter of game 6. Bron saved the Miami Heat.
Bran led all teams and players in points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks in 2016 finals. Bran saved Kyrie's legacy from being a total trainwreck. At least Kyrie has a championship to his name.
kawhileonard2
09-02-2023, 10:10 PM
Which shot, Ray Allen or Kyrie's hurt you more?
Neither because GOATS don't get down 3-2 in series with HCA nor lose series with HCA nor win bronze medals for America in basketball.
ILLsmak
09-04-2023, 05:04 PM
Ray's hurt because there is just this overwhelming feeling that it shouldn't have happened. Kyrie just stepped up and put his nuts on Curry. That was good basketball. That's what you want to see. But not being able to get the rebound and dude sliding out to the 3 to wet it, that was definitely a moment that is like WHAT. Bill Walton voice, "Get a rebound!!"
-Smak
Neither because GOATS don't get down 3-2 in series with HCA nor lose series with HCA nor win bronze medals for America in basketball.
Stfu, you idiotic bot.
kyrie and ray ray
big dawgs :oldlol:
Ray and it's not close
it's sad that half of Lebron's rings result from teammate bailout, luck and/or suspension.. he's literally a couple bounces away from 1/10, while MJ never even went to a 7th game, so his 6/6 is LEGIT - he really is a 6-ring guy, while Lebron is more of a one-off against the baby Thunder or a ring where Duncan led the NBA in playoff scoring. I mean AD
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Ray’s shot hurt more, but 2016 was more painful for the haters than 2013.
facts
voted ray allen
his shot brought grown men to tears
they're still crying today :roll:
dankok8
09-06-2023, 10:01 AM
The worst thing is if Allen did miss that shot, Lebron loses yet another finals while playing poorly.
Through the first 6 games before OT, Lebron averaged 23.0/10.3/7.2 on -3.4 rTS with 2.5 topg. Through the first three games he looked outright passive. Strong flashbacks to 2011.
Lebron had a great Game 7 which erased the memory of his struggles prior to it but if Allen misses, Lebron never gets a chance to play that game.
If Kyrie misses in 2016, the Cavs were still in it and could have won. The impact of that shot is far smaller.
Manny98
09-06-2023, 10:35 AM
I wasn't around in 2013 but the meltdowns after the 2016 finals on here were the funniest thing ever :oldlol:
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