TRADE: Dame to the Bucks

[warriorfan]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1707096933708509295?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcam p%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet


Not confirmed on what the exact details of the trade are but Dame is going to be going to Milwaukee.



Edit:
https://i.postimg.cc/mg5v0q89/IMG-1335.jpg

[L.Kizzle]

I'm only playing in Miami tho ...

[SouBeachTalents]

From Woj

Lillard goes Milwaukee as part of a 3-team deal with Jrue Holiday, Deandre Ayton, Toumani Camara, a 2029 unprotected MIL 1st, and unprotected MIL swap rights in 2028 and 2030 to Blazers. Phoenix lands Jusuf Nurkic, Grayson Allen, Nassir Little and Keon Johnson.

[tpols]

That is sick but jrue was probably the best perimeter defender in the league. Interested to see the new dynamic.

Nurkic on Pheonix is dope.

[r0drig0lac]

no excuses for Dame/Giannis now

[jlip]

So the Bucks still get to keep Middleton?

[L.Kizzle]

no excuses for Dame/Giannis now

Well, Giannis already won bruh. Where you been at?

[Xiao Yao You]

That is sick but jrue was probably the best perimeter defender in the league. Interested to see the new dynamic.

yeah not sure I'd get rid of one the few two way point guards and take on Ayton at the same time. Looks like a good deal for the Suns. Gives them some depth and they're done with Ayton

[red1]

damn thats a deadly duo

[rawimpact]

Just goes to show how little 'NBA insiders' know...

I like Jrue, but the offensive upgrade the bucks get from this makes up for the defense
Phx... I don't know man.. they couldnt get anything better for Ayton?
Blazers did well, unprotected on those picks?? really unheard of these days.

Ayton and Jrue will be fun to watch. Reminds me of the Roy and Aldridge days

I think the bucks won the trade

With Giannis's recent statement they needed to do something, cant just sit back and let Lillard force his way to MIA.

[SouBeachTalents]

That is sick but jrue was probably the best perimeter defender in the league. Interested to see the new dynamic.
That's why I'd be conflicted on the trade, you're trading up the best defender at his position who also gave you 19/7 for a 30 ppg scorer. I will say Jrue's efficiency in the playoffs has been atrocious, he goes from a 59%TS shooter in the regular season to 48%TS in the playoffs.

I'm not saying the changes they made won't make them better, but I feel like Milwaukee really overreacted to how their season ended. They lost with Giannis missing most of the series to an "8 seed" that saw Jimmy Butler morph into Michael Jordan over the final 2 games that the Heat barely eeked out. I feel like the core they had was definitely capable of winning another championship, and frankly I think they would have had Middleton not gotten injured in 2022.

[red1]

we might even get that suns-bucks rematch, this time with kd and dame in the mix

[Wardell Curry]

I like Jrue, but the offensive upgrade the bucks get from this makes up for the defense

I don't believe this. But we'll see.

[Xiao Yao You]

Just goes to show how little 'NBA insiders' know...

I like Jrue, but the offensive upgrade the bucks get from this makes up for the defense
Phx... I don't know man.. they couldnt get anything better for Ayton?
Blazers did well, unprotected on those picks?? really unheard of these days.

Ayton and Jrue will be fun to watch. Reminds me of the Roy and Aldridge days

doubt teams were lining up for Ayton. Lucky to get rid of him and get something in return

[Xiao Yao You]

Adrian Wojnarowski: The Blazers remain engaged elsewhere on deals and will are expected to immediately engage contending teams on trade talks to move on Jrue Holiday, sources tell ESPN. Portland is committed to its young group of talented guards (https://*********.com/social/).

– via Twitter wojespn (https://twitter.com/wojespn)




figured. Get it done Danny!




Chris Haynes: In a Fresno barbershop called Phase II a few months ago, Giannis Antetokounmpo was asked of the one player he would like to play with. His response was Damian Lillard (https://*********.com/social/).

– via Twitter ChrisBHaynes (https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes)




looks like this all about keeping Giannis happy.

[warriorfan]

That is sick but jrue was probably the best perimeter defender in the league. Interested to see the new dynamic.

Nurkic on Pheonix is dope.

It’s going to be great for scoot. Jrue has won teammate of the year 3 out of the past 4 years, everyone loves him. Jrue can give him guidance plus bust his ass in practice every day, he’s still an absolute elite defender.

Practice vs the best and you will become the best. Iron sharpens iron.


Look out for scoot.

[Proctor]

I don't believe this. But we'll see.
You're correct.

He has stunk it up a few times offensively in the playoffs but his defensive impact is like Marcus Smart on steroids.

Bucks better find some ancillary pieces because the depth on that team is not looking great. The starting lineup is loaded though.

[Xiao Yao You]

You're correct.

He has stunk it up a few times offensively in the playoffs but his defensive impact is like Marcus Smart on steroids.

Bucks better find some ancillary pieces because the depth on that team is not looking great. The starting lineup is loaded though.

Greg Monroe and Hassan Whiteside I believe are both very available if you can somehow get them away from Puerto Rico

[hold this L]

Is it a wrap for the league? Depth lacking but Mid, Dame and the Freak is a crazy trio.

[bladefd]

figured. Get it done Danny!





looks like this all about keeping Giannis happy.

Yes! I would not mind jrue with the Lakers! D'lo, Vincent, 1st and a couple of our rookies

[Xiao Yao You]

https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=295teuv4

[insidehoops]

Damian Lillard Trail Blazers per-game stats last season: 32.2 points, 4.8 rebounds, 7.3 assists, 46% FG, 37% three-pointers

Jrue Holiday Bucks per-game stats last season: 19.3 points, 5.1 rebounds, 7.4 assists, 48% FG, 38% three-pointers

Both players are 33, born a few weeks apart

[warriorfan]

Damian Lillard Trail Blazers per-game stats last season: 32.2 points, 4.8 rebounds, 7.3 assists, 46% FG, 37% three-pointers

Jrue Holiday Bucks per-game stats last season: 19.3 points, 5.1 rebounds, 7.4 assists, 48% FG, 38% three-pointers

Thank you Jeff.

[beasted]

It’s going to be great for scoot. Jrue has won teammate of the year 3 out of the past 4 years, everyone loves him. Jrue can give him guidance plus bust his ass in practice every day, he’s still an absolute elite defender.

Practice vs the best and you will become the best. Iron sharpens iron.


Look out for scoot.

He's essentially an expiring contract. He has a player option that I'm certain he's not going to pick up to stay on a rebuilding team if he's healthy.

So do you hold onto him and ship him at the deadline just to get a few months of mentorship? Or flip him now? His value is highest now.

If they just want a mentor for Scoots, trade Jrue to the Heat for Lowry and get a haul of picks plus Caleb Martin.

[Hey Yo]

Jimmy Buckets cries tampering by Bucks.

video


https://twitter.com/ClutchPoints/status/1707103235457093956?t=GCX9DTVWPw3nv3VdjOZCFw&s=19

[Kblaze8855]

Got damn. I have some heat fans to troll

[Real Men Wear Green]

Portland just strengthened two contenders with this trade. I wonder if they're passed at Miami and did this to make sure they can't win? It's not a bad return though and does beat Tyler Herro and whatever. Speaking of Herro how mad is he at Miami over everything?

[rawimpact]

Jimmy Buckets cries tampering by Bucks.

video


https://twitter.com/ClutchPoints/status/1707103235457093956?t=GCX9DTVWPw3nv3VdjOZCFw&s=19

I'm surprised to see Jimmy act like this

Where are the players publicly criticizing Dame for his trade demands and how detrimental his actions are on player-owner negotiations?

[warriorfan]

Well apparently rumor has it Blazers are looking to flip Jrue Holiday to a contending team. I would keep him if I was Portland. He would be a great guy to have around with a group of young players.

[Xiao Yao You]

Sean Highkin: Was told earlier today that the Blazers and Heat still hadn’t talked directly, (https://*********.com/social/) fwiw.
– via Twitter highkin (https://twitter.com/highkin)

[Real Men Wear Green]

Jimmy Buckets cries tampering by Bucks.

video


https://twitter.com/ClutchPoints/status/1707103235457093956?t=GCX9DTVWPw3nv3VdjOZCFw&s=19

If anyone tampered it would be Butler and whoever else in the Heat that got Lillaird to demand a trade. Bucks just negotiated with Portland to get the deal done. Players have had so much power of late that Butler thought teams were no longer allowed to make the trades.

[Wally450]

I'm only playing in Miami tho ...

:lol

Gonna be loving those cold Milwaukee winters.

[Real Men Wear Green]

If Brogdon is still pissed the Celtics should see if him and a draft pick can bring in Holiday.

[beasted]

Well apparently rumor has it Blazers are looking to flip Jrue Holiday to a contending team. I would keep him if I was Portland. He would be a great guy to have around with a group of young players.

They can literally flip Jrue for multiple firsts and younger complimentary players. But instead you suggest they gamble that a 33 yr old will stay healthy and pick up his player option to continue on a rebuilding team? Doesn't make sense.

They aren't trying to compete for a playoff spot, they are trying to bottom out to rebuild. Why cost themselves a few extra wins and leave chance to injury for a mentor?

[Xiao Yao You]

They can literally flip Jrue for multiple firsts and younger complimentary players. But instead you suggest they gamble that a 33 yr old will stay healthy and pick up his player option to continue on a rebuilding team? Doesn't make sense.

They aren't trying to compete for a playoff spot, they are trying to bottom out to rebuild. Why cost themselves a few extra wins and leave chance to injury for a mentor?

if you didn't need minutes for Scoot and Simons it might make some sense

[beasted]

If Brogdon is still pissed the Celtics should see if him and a draft pick can bring in Holiday.

Salaries not even close. Celtics are over the 2nd apron and makes the matching much more challenging.

Is Jrue worth Brogdon + White? Even if so, Portland would have no need for two extra guards.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Salaries not even close. Celtics are over the 2nd apron and makes the matching much more challenging.

Is Jrue worth Brogdon + White? Even if so, Portland would have no need for two extra guards.

If Portland is willing to deal the Celtics could find a way to make the money work. Especially if Brogdon is as mad as he is rumored to be over the failed clipper trade.

[beasted]

if you didn't need minutes for Scoot and Simons it might make some sense
Even still, in an imaginary world where Simons and/or Sharpe were forwards, I'd only agree if they weren't a rebuilding team.

Their goal should be to tank for at least 1 more season to get another strong piece for this core. Fighting for the play-in would be useless.

[FultzNationRISE]

That's why I'd be conflicted on the trade, you're trading up the best defender at his position who also gave you 19/7 for a 30 ppg scorer. I will say Jrue's efficiency in the playoffs has been atrocious, he goes from a 59%TS shooter in the regular season to 48%TS in the playoffs.

I'm not saying the changes they made won't make them better, but I feel like Milwaukee really overreacted to how their season ended. They lost with Giannis missing most of the series to an "8 seed" that saw Jimmy Butler morph into Michael Jordan over the final 2 games that the Heat barely eeked out. I feel like the core they had was definitely capable of winning another championship, and frankly I think they would have had Middleton not gotten injured in 2022.

They already have Lopez, Giannis, Portis. These guys can all defend. The team only struggles when their outside shots dont fall basically. So this is a pretty huge upgrade IMO.

I see the logic for the Suns as well, Ayton wont get touches so you flip him for more depth.

I guess we’re left to assume this is the best deal Portland could find. Ayton, a first rounder six years from now, and whatever they get for Holiday at the trade deadline. It’s not bad, but not overly impressive either.

[FultzNationRISE]

Salaries not even close. Celtics are over the 2nd apron and makes the matching much more challenging.

Is Jrue worth Brogdon + White? Even if so, Portland would have no need for two extra guards.

Jrue and White are basically a wash, the latter being five years younger.

So in my opinion, no.

[Xiao Yao You]

Even still, in an imaginary world where Simons and/or Sharpe were forwards, I'd only agree if they weren't a rebuilding team.

Their goal should be to tank for at least 1 more season to get another strong piece for this core. Fighting for the play-in would be useless.

supposedly they wanted players that would help them compete still like the Jazz last year

[Xiao Yao You]

They already have Lopez, Giannis, Portis. These guys can all defend. The team only struggles when their outside shots dont fall basically. So this is a pretty huge upgrade IMO.

I see the logic for the Suns as well, Ayton wont get touches so you flip him for more depth.

I guess we’re left to assume this is the best deal Portland could find. Ayton, a first rounder six years from now, and whatever they get for Holiday at the trade deadline. It’s not bad, but not overly impressive either.

got rid of Ayton and his contract while adding much needed depth. They look like the big winners here

[Phoenix]

All my youtube sports feeds had the Raptors as the favorite like.....this morning.

[Wardell Curry]

All my youtube sports feeds had the Raptors as the favorite like.....this morning.

https://www.basketballnetwork.net/college/when-bob-knight-created-a-fictitious-prospect-from-yugoslavia-as-hoax

[WhiteKyrie]

Wow, good fit in Milwaukee.

[Axe]

And all this time, they had fans believing he'd end up in miami. Lmao.

[beasted]

supposedly they wanted players that would help them compete still like the Jazz last year
Well, their GM has reeked of incompetence with most of his moves, so I'm not shocked.

[Jasper]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38505763/sources-blazers-trading-damian-lillard-bucks-3-team-deal

giannis , dame, Middlton,lopez

My word I was hoping , and thought they would be giving up a bench player in a 5 = NOT
they give up Grayson Allen ... lmfao

[Xiao Yao You]

Well, their GM has reeked of incompetence with most of his moves, so I'm not shocked.

Worked out for the Jazz. Were a tough out last year and still got the most picks in the league including 2 lottery picks this past year

[Xiao Yao You]

Barry Jackson: And Heat never felt compelled to call and improve their offer for Damian Lillard. Last year’s playoff run left them feeling, well, not desperate (https://*********.com/social/).
– via Twitter flasportsbuzz (https://twitter.com/flasportsbuzz)

[theman93]

All this just to try and get past Franz and Paolo? LOL

[Naero]

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I didn’t expect this at all. I always wanted it, of course, but I didn’t even bother fantasizing about it (even though other Bucks fans have).

Giannis finally has a true costar. :rockon: Will be interesting to see how Dame handles his career-first second-fiddle role, though I doubt he’d embrace this trade without embracing that backseat.

I’m going to miss Jrue—especially for his perimeter defense—but Dame brings too much more to the table, not the least come playoff time. Moreover, we have more than enough capable defenders without Holiday and a robust defensive culture (which I doubt we’ll lose under Griffin).

[8Ball]

I wonder if Vegas odds now put the Bucks over Denver as the favorites to win championship.

4 days ago:

TEAM TITLE ODDS
Boston Celtics +475
Denver Nuggets +475
Milwaukee Bucks +650

[coin24]

As usual the “nba insiders” were full of shit..

Suns got even better and added depth. Ayton is fkn trash hasn’t anyone watched that fool play?

[Jasper]

Barry Jackson: And Heat never felt compelled to call and improve their offer for Damian Lillard. Last year’s playoff run left them feeling, well, not desperate (https://*********.com/social/).
– via Twitter flasportsbuzz (https://twitter.com/flasportsbuzz)

they have a prez (riley) that is old ... he is slow at the gun.

[Jasper]

As usual the “nba insiders” were full of shit..

Suns got even better and added depth. Ayton is fkn trash hasn’t anyone watched that fool play?

hoping Ayton plays for the bucks some day

[Xiao Yao You]

they have a prez (riley) that is old ... he is slow at the gun.

I guess. If they get Jrue out of it they'll be looking pretty good

[fourkicks44]

Damian Lillard Trail Blazers per-game stats last season: 32.2 points, 4.8 rebounds, 7.3 assists, 46% FG, 37% three-pointers

Jrue Holiday Bucks per-game stats last season: 19.3 points, 5.1 rebounds, 7.4 assists, 48% FG, 38% three-pointers

Both players are 33, born a few weeks apart

So Jrue is actually a better shooter from 3?

Ok, good luck Milwaukee. Going to be interesting how this turns out.

Now this is out the way Morey might be able to now trade Harden.

[sdot_thadon]

They will be the favorites for a week or 2 till the next deal happens.

[Naero]

So Jrue is actually a better shooter from 3?

Ok, good luck Milwaukee. Going to be interesting how this turns out.

Now this is out the way Morey might be able to now trade Harden.

Their 3P% is about neck-and-neck for the regular season, but in the playoffs?

Jrue: 33.1%

Dame: 36.9%

The disparity’s been even more pronounced the past-few seasons. This is also despite Dame being the first option all those years; it’s hard to imagine him faring any worse now with Giannis’s interior gravity, which’ll give him higher-percentage looks.

I’m just hoping he doesn’t start suffering from shooter’s block like most Bucks, which was endemic to us every postseason under Bud…

[beasted]

Worked out for the Jazz. Were a tough out last year and still got the most picks in the league including 2 lottery picks this past year

Last year didn't help the Jazz progress towards the goal of a contending team regardless of your personal "feelings" or bias.

Even the notion of avoiding a "losing culture" doesn't apply as the grand majority of players currently on the team won't be there in 2 years.

Losing more and getting a top 4 pick would have helped more than the "welp, we gave it or best" did.

[fourkicks44]

Their 3P% is about neck-and-neck for the regular season, but in the playoffs?

Jrue: 33.1%

Dame: 36.9%

The disparity’s been even more pronounced the past-few seasons. This is also despite Dame being the first option all those years; it’s hard to imagine him faring any worse now with Giannis’s interior gravity, which’ll give him higher-percentage looks.

I’m just hoping he doesn’t start suffering from shooter’s block like most Bucks, which was endemic to us every postseason under Bud…

Yeah there are obvious pros and cons of the deal for the Bucks, only time will tell how it will play out.

Losing Allan is a loss too, he has been a good piece for them.

Going to be an interesting season to watch tho.

[beasted]

This article came out JUST YESTERDAY!


Speaking to Jim Owczarski of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, Holiday said he wants to finish his career in Milwaukee.

"Would love to," he said. "Before I even won here I think I said I'm a Buck for life and I mean that like deep in my heart. I don't want to play for any other team. I think we have a chance to continue to do great things as the Bucks team and organization so I want to be in Milwaukee."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10090924-jrue-holiday-hopes-to-retire-with-bucks-i-dont-want-to-play-for-any-other-team

[Xiao Yao You]

Last year didn't help the Jazz progress towards the goal of a contending team regardless of your personal "feelings" or bias.

Even the notion of avoiding a "losing culture" doesn't apply as the grand majority of players currently on the team won't be there in 2 years.

Losing more and getting a top 4 pick would have helped more than the "welp, we gave it or best" did.

we'll see. George looked like one of the best players in summer league and Hendricks can play as well to along with Lauri, Kessler and Agbaji. Having a mix of vets and youngsters is the way to go. Now they just need to dump The Bum and all will be good

[Jasper]

Yeah there are obvious pros and cons of the deal for the Bucks, only time will tell how it will play out.

Losing Allan is a loss too, he has been a good piece for them.

Going to be an interesting season to watch tho.

a piece of shit....

he was in a game lighting it up, and everyone was astounded as well as himself.
we don't need a one game wonder.

[Jasper]

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I didn’t expect this at all. I always wanted it, of course, but I didn’t even bother fantasizing about it (even though other Bucks fans have).

Giannis finally has a true costar. :rockon: Will be interesting to see how Dame handles his career-first second-fiddle role, though I doubt he’d embrace this trade without embracing that backseat.

I’m going to miss Jrue—especially for his perimeter defense—but Dame brings too much more to the table, not the least come playoff time. Moreover, we have more than enough capable defenders without Holiday and a robust defensive culture (which I doubt we’ll lose under Griffin).

kind of hit the nail on the head.. I trust Dame's offense compared to Jrue. Jrue would go to often 1-10 ad in the 4th qtr would finally raddle off 6 buckets to keep his average on par.
That offense adds up to loses , Dame won't let that happen. I see a 60 win season for Milwaukee this year if not better.

[beasted]

we'll see. George looked like one of the best players in summer league and Hendricks can play as well to along with Lauri, Kessler and Agbaji. Having a mix of vets and youngsters is the way to go. Now they just need to dump The Bum and all will be good

Everything is in flux. I'm not saying this to hate on the Jazz, it's just the truth. If Lauri has a similar year to last and comes out after this season saying he wants a max even with the Jazz record continuing as a mediocre team, I'd wager that he immediately becomes tradeable as well. That's the nature of rebuilding teams that don't have a true franchise player or premier player on a rookie contract. There's no commitment to anyone in this core right now.

[NBAGOAT]

Dame is worth ofc. He and holiday aren’t in the same tier and bucks biggest
weakness was reliable offense outside Giannis in playoffs. They wont be one of the best defenses in league anymore but still will be a good one until Brook falls off. Grayson is nbd, not playable in playoffs and they have Connaughton and beasley at sg.

Edit: finishing lineup in playoffs will likely be khris at 2 Jae at 3 anyway

[Xiao Yao You]

Everything is in flux. I'm not saying this to hate on the Jazz, it's just the truth. If Lauri has a similar year to last and comes out after this season saying he wants a max even with the Jazz record continuing as a mediocre team, I'd wager that he immediately becomes tradeable as well. That's the nature of rebuilding teams that don't have a true franchise player or premier player on a rookie contract. There's no commitment to anyone in this core right now.

they have a franchise player. He's not Gobert but he sure beats Mitchell!

[Duderonomy]

no excuses for Dame/Giannis now
I'd a say if Giannis win another title he has a case for top 15 all-time especially if it's against KD.

[beasted]

they have a franchise player. He's not Gobert but he sure beats Mitchell!

Who is it?

[beasted]

I'd a say if Giannis win another title he has a case for top 15 all-time especially if it's against KD.

The only people who would put him top 15 are the same types that are like "Who's Hondo?" and "Didn't Jerry West lose a bunch of times?"

[tontoz]

WOW that is a blockbuster!

[bison]

This was good for Ayton. He was never going to thrive in phoenix and now gets to be a main offensive piece in Portland with young teammates. Nurk is a much better fit for phoenix but question remains if he can stay healthy. This was a really good deal for all 3 teams.

[BurningHammer]

Solving both Blazers and Suns' problems in one. Good trade.

[bison]

Yes! I would not mind jrue with the Lakers! D'lo, Vincent, 1st and a couple of our rookies

Lakers aren’t trading anyone any time soon. Rules state any player who signed a new contract this summer isn’t eligible for trade until dec 15. That’s basically everyone on the lakers outside lebron, ad, max Christie and their rookies

[SaltyMeatballs]

Bucks are ****ing stacked

[Jasper]

interesting take on the trade :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOnj35AOEMw

Salty - As long as Middleton comes back into true form , I would say confirmed.
Bobby Portis, Conny , even Robin Lopez as benchers ... they have a hell of a team in Giannis , dame , Middleton, Lopez and a SG from lakers... lol

[Hoopexpert]

Superteams galore baby

[Full Court]

I'm not sure the Bucks will be better with Lillard than with Holiday....

[Im Still Ballin]

Damian's elite isolation scoring should provide substantial situational value. The Lillard-Antetokoumpo pick-and-roll will be absolutely lethal.

[warriorfan]

Damian's elite isolation scoring should provide substantial situational value. The Lillard-Antetokoumpo pick-and-roll will be absolutely lethal.

Pretty savage inside/out combo. They will be a fun team to watch. Unless they are playing yours.

[Im Still Ballin]

I wouldn't be surprised if they become a worse team though. Or at least no better or worse.

Being a championship-level team is about meeting a threshold level of performance. Milwaukee has clearly been at that mark for five seasons. Losing Jrue might hurt their point-of-attack defense to a degree that makes Dame's superior offense advantage a negligible benefit.

Nobody defended more on-ball attacks on the perimeter than Jrue.

They should be better on paper. I guess we'll see what happens.

[warriorfan]

I wouldn't be surprised if they become a worse team though. Or at least no better or worse.

Being a championship-level team is about meeting a threshold level of performance. Milwaukee has clearly been at that mark for five seasons. Losing Jrue might hurt their point-of-attack defense to a degree that makes Dame's superior offense advantage a negligible benefit.

Nobody defended more on-ball attacks on the perimeter than Jrue.

They should be better on paper. I guess we'll see what happens.

Hopefully for the bucks that Dame can relieve some of the scoring load from giannis and he can focus a bit more on the defensive end. Still doesn’t solve the perimeter defense or make up for losing a force like holiday but it could mitigate some of their possible defensive woes.

[Full Court]

I wouldn't be surprised if they become a worse team though. Or at least no better or worse.

Being a championship-level team is about meeting a threshold level of performance. Milwaukee has clearly been at that mark for five seasons. Losing Jrue might hurt their point-of-attack defense to a degree that makes Dame's superior offense advantage a negligible benefit.

Nobody defended more on-ball attacks on the perimeter than Jrue.

They should be better on paper. I guess we'll see what happens.

Yeah, that's pretty much my take on it too. I like the Bucks, so I hope it works out, but I probably wouldn't have made that trade if I were the Bucks' GM.

[Xiao Yao You]

Who is it?

Lauri. Who else?

[Im Still Ballin]

These pages kind of put Jrue's point-of-attack defense into perspective:

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/ball-handler?PerMode=PerGame&TypeGrouping=defensive&dir=D&sort=POSS
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/ball-handler?PerMode=Totals&TypeGrouping=defensive&dir=D&sort=POSS

Nobody defended more "PnR ball-handler" possessions. Way out ahead regarding volume; and his efficiency defending those possessions was good too. Jrue's ability to switch those screens was invaluable to slowing down an offensive attack.

[90sgoat]

It was a good decision for Bucks to gamble on Dame I think.

He's on a clear contender now, that plays hard and has a former MVP that is all business. If he doesn't play hard, it will look bad on him.

A lot can go wrong, but this season will show what Dame is really about. He should find it easy to fit in and dominate with such a strong team. You'd want him to get like 25-8 on good efficiency.

[FultzNationRISE]

I'm not sure the Bucks will be better with Lillard than with Holiday....

It will come down to chemistry, but in theory this should be a big upgrade. Shooting consistency in the playoffs has been their biggest issue from what Ive seen, and now they have a certified clutch sniper.

Theyll need to maintain their same level in other facets without Jrue, but if they can, Lillards shooting will make them deadlier. Altho it will probably take some time for their three main scorers to figure out the best way to play together. I dont think theyre a sure thing but I think their ceiling definitely got higher.

[j3lademaster]

no excuses for Dame/Giannis nowGreat post from a high iq poster. :applause:

Giannis will never be the best player on a championship team.

[j3lademaster]

So Jrue is actually a better shooter from 3?

Ok, good luck Milwaukee. Going to be interesting how this turns out.

Now this is out the way Morey might be able to now trade Harden.lol, you actually think Jrue is a better shooter than Dolla? Because of fg%?

They don’t see close to the same type of defensive attention, and Dame attempts almost twice as many. I’m not saying Lillard will magically become a 45%er playing with Giannis, but I promise you Jrue in Lillard’s situation where he’s asked to score 30 with mediocre help he’s hovering 30% from 3.

Jrue is good. Very good, and I like the guy; but comparing the two as shooters… is like me pulling some random defensive metric where Lillard is slightly better and calling them comparable defenders.

[tomtucker]

so, will he report to them?

he only wanted Miami right?

[Xiao Yao You]

so, will he report to them?

he only wanted Miami right?

Marc J. Spears: Sources to @andscape: With Miami talks going nowhere, agent Aaron Goodwin privately told the Bucks and Nets 10 days ago that Dame would be interested in a deal there. (https://*********.com/social/) The Raptors were a real contender to land the ex-Blazers star, but ultimately Bucks got it done per Woj report.
– via Twitter MarcJSpears (https://twitter.com/MarcJSpears)

[bdonovan]

That's why I'd be conflicted on the trade, you're trading up the best defender at his position who also gave you 19/7 for a 30 ppg scorer. I will say Jrue's efficiency in the playoffs has been atrocious, he goes from a 59%TS shooter in the regular season to 48%TS in the playoffs.

I'm not saying the changes they made won't make them better, but I feel like Milwaukee really overreacted to how their season ended. They lost with Giannis missing most of the series to an "8 seed" that saw Jimmy Butler morph into Michael Jordan over the final 2 games that the Heat barely eeked out. I feel like the core they had was definitely capable of winning another championship, and frankly I think they would have had Middleton not gotten injured in 2022.

Good points. It seems this was as much of a playoff-strength decision more than anything else by the Bucks.

The odd thing is that series (Bucks-Heat 2023 playoffs) was a very high scoring affair in general. Just glancing at the #'s now, looks like both teams averaged in the 110 range/game.

[Im Still Ballin]

Hopefully for the bucks that Dame can relieve some of the scoring load from giannis and he can focus a bit more on the defensive end. Still doesn’t solve the perimeter defense or make up for losing a force like holiday but it could mitigate some of their possible defensive woes.

Yeah, exactly. At the team level, all it takes is one aspect changing for it to create larger systemic issues. Does the interior defense hold up as well without a robust point-of-attack defense? Will they be able to generate stops and turnovers that allow Giannis to get out in transition?

They should be better in the half-court offense but they might also be worse everywhere else. And to what degree will the half-court offense have to compensate for the decline in defense and its transition game?

[Wally450]

so, will he report to them?

he only wanted Miami right?

Imagine the scenes if he didn't report. :roll:

[Jasper]

here's a take that I was proven wrong - Dame is basically a 42% shooter except for last year.

Jrue is a 46% shooter over his career.

* but as I stated before - I would see Jrue go for 1-10 in 3 qtrs and then be impactful in the 4th with 6-8 buckets in a row.
That 1-10 stat IMO has been glaring for sometime now , because if he is wasted from playing defense those 6-8 buckets may not come ..
Dame is more consistent even though lower percentage , and if the Bucks can make him a better stopper , he doesn't have to carry the offensive load , cause he has Giannis , Chris , and Lopez.
I think it is a win over all.
People say as well as I have that Jrue was an ultimate stopper... he made production for his opponent harder , but most of the time his opponents got theirs no matter what.

[ILLsmak]

My posts not goin down!!

Remm i said id like to see lillard get a shot at contending, here we goo. Yall saying its not a huge upgrade are on some team usa gm level over thinking. If dude doesnt get injured, the way hes gonna score on kick outs and get giannis on cuts / pnr gonna be nasty. Dude put up 70. Hes gonna make a ton of shots on the kick out once he finds the spots and gets reps, and in situations of good d, hell be able to score against scrambling help d w giannis crashing. If this fails its on dame or giannis shittin, on paper or basically in any reality that they dont get injured or have an ego conflict, they got considerably better. Its like people are underrating dame as a scorer and more importantly underrating how much giannis will also benefit. I aint a bettor but dudes sayin i dono if bucks improved loool. And im not one of those guys who underrates pg d. U guys like dood got 17 w good d i dono if 32 is gonna be enough haha. Like i said playin yasef. Look for dame to be all time wet this year and have a ton of great opportunities to fry close outs.

-Smak

[Axe]

It will come down to chemistry, but in theory this should be a big upgrade. Shooting consistency in the playoffs has been their biggest issue from what Ive seen, and now they have a certified clutch sniper.

Theyll need to maintain their same level in other facets without Jrue, but if they can, Lillards shooting will make them deadlier. Altho it will probably take some time for their three main scorers to figure out the best way to play together. I dont think theyre a sure thing but I think their ceiling definitely got higher.
He's too braindead to comprehend this. :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

My posts not goin down!!

Remm i said id like to see lillard get a shot at contending, here we goo. Yall saying its not a huge upgrade are on some team usa gm level over thinking. If dude doesnt get injured, the way hes gonna score on kick outs and get giannis on cuts / pnr gonna be nasty. Dude put up 70. Hes gonna make a ton of shots on the kick out once he finds the spots and gets reps, and in situations of good d, hell be able to score against scrambling help d w giannis crashing. If this fails its on dame or giannis shittin, on paper or basically in any reality that they dont get injured or have an ego conflict, they got considerably better. Its like people are underrating dame as a scorer and more importantly underrating how much giannis will also benefit. I aint a bettor but dudes sayin i dono if bucks improved loool. And im not one of those guys who underrates pg d. U guys like dood got 17 w good d i dono if 32 is gonna be enough haha. Like i said playin yasef. Look for dame to be all time wet this year and have a ton of great opportunities to fry close outs.

-Smak
Ain’t nobody reading that shit GimmeThat

[warriorfan]

Ain’t nobody reading that shit GimmeThat

I did. He’s saying that he’s not a guy who devalues point guard defense but thinks the large offensive gap that Dame has over Jrue will overcome what they lost defensively.

[tontoz]

I did. He’s saying that he’s not a guy who devalues point guard defense but thinks the large offensive gap that Dame has over Jrue will overcome what they lost defensively.

Let's not forget that Holiday got merked by Butler in the playoffs.

[ILLsmak]

Ain’t nobody reading that shit GimmeThat

Yo stop bein a ho. U dunno the diff between phone short hand and word salad heh. This is the second bitch boi comment u have made. I dono if i lolled at someone clowning you or what but sry bud. Got no love for the dude of the month that is rubbed the wrong way by me. Get well soon.

-Smak

[Xiao Yao You]

Yo stop bein a ho. U dunno the diff between phone short hand and word salad heh. This is the second bitch boi comment u have made. I dono if i lolled at someone clowning you or what but sry bud. Got no love for the dude of the month that is rubbed the wrong way by me. Get well soon.

-Smak

no one wants to read that shit

[Xiao Yao You]

Now, Antetokounmpo is eligible for a three-year, $186.6 million extension with the Bucks before the start of regular season, or a commitment for up to four years and $260 million next offseason. The Bucks delivered the max, three-year extension to Antetokounmpo in recent days, (https://theathletic.com/4908586/2023/09/28/damian-lillard-trade-how-it-happened-bucks-suns-blazers/) league sources say, and it is immediately unclear how he and his representatives will reconsider a potential deal now versus waiting to evaluate after the season.
– via Shams Charania, Sam Amick, Shams Charania and Sam Amick @ The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/4908586/2023/09/28/damian-lillard-trade-how-it-happened-bucks-suns-blazers/)

[warriorfan]

no one wants to read that shit

no one wants to read 90+% of your posts about rudy gobert as well but yet here we are

[FireDavidKahn]

Bucks now preseason title favorites.

Hopefully this ends Dame's tantrum

[beasted]

Lauri. Who else?

So nearly every franchise player in the league is getting the max. Are you comfortable with Lauri getting the max?

[jayfan]

Put up or shut up time for Dame. Finally. Let's see if this cat can play team ball in May.


.

[Xiao Yao You]

no one wants to read 90+% of your posts about rudy gobert as well but yet here we are

if the trolls quit bringing him up you won't have to but they won't because they can't

[Xiao Yao You]

So nearly every franchise player in the league is getting the max. Are you comfortable with Lauri getting the max?

too early to say. He's on one of the best contracts in the league now. He might not be their best player for long

[ILLsmak]

no one wants to read that shit

I'm not asking anyone to press their mental capacity. haha. You can skip over. People don't realize they are putting it on themselves (inability to process information,) but I ain't mad. Not at you. That other dude someone's alt. Ankle biting alts are slightly annoying. BUT WE GOOD.

If you want the fresh off the press Smak hot takes, you get them short hand. Others might be better served to wait until I get to a keyboard.

-Smak

[Xiao Yao You]

I'm not asking anyone to press their mental capacity. haha. You can skip over. People don't realize they are putting it on themselves (inability to process information,) but I ain't mad. Not at you. That other dude someone's alt. Ankle biting alts are slightly annoying. BUT WE GOOD.

If you want the fresh off the press Smak hot takes, you get them short hand. Others might be better served to wait until I get to a keyboard.

-Smak

glad you were able to find a keyboard :cheers:

[ILLsmak]

glad you were able to find a keyboard :cheers:

It's still fun to bust into ish, stamp out the pop ups, and post from a phone, tho. Downtime is espn ---> then it's like... oh shit this is def ish material.

Can't stay away whenever news happens. Dono why dudes are talking about other shit when this thread is about DAME going to the BUCKS. I don't even like him that much, but I think that team is gonna be killer. Might be a team that is actually FUN TO WATCH.

Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7n0cDhb_hA

-Smak

[Real Men Wear Green]

Infinitely worse nightlife and weather but a chamois is more likely and he's a better fit with Giannis than Butler. Plus there's no way Milwaukee sends him to Miami. He'll report.

[Jasper]

it comes down to playing bball, and a rook coach making the right plays.

Please move this thread to the Bucks forum.

[tomtucker]

Marc J. Spears: Sources to @andscape: With Miami talks going nowhere, agent Aaron Goodwin privately told the Bucks and Nets 10 days ago that Dame would be interested in a deal there. (https://*********.com/social/) The Raptors were a real contender to land the ex-Blazers star, but ultimately Bucks got it done per Woj report.
– via Twitter MarcJSpears (https://twitter.com/MarcJSpears)

good... i did not want the heat to part ways with tyler herro anyway.

[tomtucker]

isn't this guy a bit like allen iverson.... a egocentric ball hog?

i question if they will win a chip!

[Xiao Yao You]

isn't this guy a bit like allen iverson.... a egocentric ball hog?

i question if they will win a chip!

I wouldn't put him with AI. Westbrook is more like AI but he actually accepted a bench role last year which is something AI's ego couldn't handle

[Xiao Yao You]

The view around the league is the Blazers see Deandre Ayton in the vein of a top-five center in the league, (https://sports.yahoo.com/deandre-ayton-trail-blazers-seeking-warmth-trust-and-patience-in-new-partnership-045533732.html) and a valuable asset particularly at his age. Lopez and Nikola Vučević may beg to differ on the top-five list, and certainly Anthony Davis would if he classified himself as a center (he doesn’t).

– via Yahoo! Sports (https://sports.yahoo.com/deandre-ayton-trail-blazers-seeking-warmth-trust-and-patience-in-new-partnership-045533732.html)




top 5 talent. If he was a top 5 center the Suns wouldn't have moved him

[Axe]

When people think about it, this is how milwaukee gets their last laugh after losing horribly against a play-in team in the p/s months ago.

[Full Court]

When people think about it, this is how milwaukee gets their last laugh after losing horribly against a play-in team in the p/s months ago.



That "play-in team" happened to be who LeShrivel beat for his Mickey Mouse ring. :roll:

[Full Court]

good... i did not want the heat to part ways with tyler herro anyway.

Overall, he's been pretty disappointing since his rookie year.

[Axe]

good... i did not want the heat to part ways with tyler herro anyway.
Fair enough. Kid is still young and has a bright future ahead. (https://i.ibb.co/g4tnXnv/IMG-20230626-052542.jpg)

[Jasper]

dame shows up at rally in Milwaukee.

24 in , Patsy spotted after his electric shock treatment. :oldlol::bowdown::oldlol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLCQ1T8XXI8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLCQ1T8XXI8

[Full Court]

dame shows up at rally in Milwaukee.

24 in , Patsy spotted after his electric shock treatment. :oldlol::bowdown::oldlol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLCQ1T8XXI8



Well, at least he made it to the correct city.

[Jasper]

Well, at least he made it to the correct city.

Patsy most definitely looking good , with shaved sides

[Axe]

dame shows up at rally in Milwaukee.

24 in , Patsy spotted after his electric shock treatment. :oldlol::bowdown::oldlol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLCQ1T8XXI8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLCQ1T8XXI8
:roll: (https://i.ibb.co/g4tnXnv/IMG-20230626-052542.jpg)

[highwhey]

top 5 talent. If he was a top 5 center the Suns wouldn't have moved him

he peaked against the bucks. got his money and began coasting since. even if he did have a disagreement with monty, he never played at 100% ever.

his high school coaches nicknamed him "Tall for nothing"...they weren't entirely wrong.

[SATAN]

It's gonna be hilarious when Giannis and Dame choke in the playoffs.

[Full Court]

he peaked against the bucks. got his money and began coasting since. even if he did have a disagreement with monty, he never played at 100% ever.

his high school coaches nicknamed him "Tall for nothing"...they weren't entirely wrong.

:roll:

[WhiteKyrie]

isn't this guy a bit like allen iverson.... a egocentric ball hog?

i question if they will win a chip!

Iverson wasn’t a ball hog. Jesus people don’t know a lot about basketball or bball history on these boards.

[Xiao Yao You]

Iverson wasn’t a ball hog. Jesus people don’t know a lot about basketball or bball history on these boards.

for someone that likes to throw retard around you sure are pretty clueless. If AI wasn't a ball hog no one ever has been :facepalm

[Jasper]

for someone that likes to throw retard around you sure are pretty clueless. If AI wasn't a ball hog no one ever has been :facepalm

AI had a team set for himself... He had to carry the load , cause no one else could fill the bucket.

[Xiao Yao You]

AI had a team set for himself... He had to carry the load , cause no one else could fill the bucket.

You're either a gunner or your not. Stockton wouldn't be throwing up prayers against triple teams no matter how weak the talent around him was

[Kblaze8855]

https://www.hostpic.org/images/2310012151240279.jpeg

[Kblaze8855]

Probably stil isn’t done because why would they keep Brogdan?

They probably end up with another pick from the Suns, Lakers, or even the Heat to be assholes to unload him.

[Xiao Yao You]

Probably stil isn’t done because why would they keep Brogdan?

They probably end up with another pick from the Suns, Lakers, or even the Heat to be assholes to unload him.

I could see them keeping Brogdan until the trade deadline at least. Having some vets around is a good thing

[highwhey]

now this makes me mad...rober williams would have been a GREAT fit on the Suns. tthey didn't have to throw Ayton as fodder.

[Xiao Yao You]

Shams Charania: Free agent guard Cameron Payne has agreed on a one-year deal with the Milwaukee Bucks, (https://*********.com/social/) sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. pic.twitter.com/va0ErtdVve
– via Twitter ShamsCharania (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)

[highwhey]

Shams Charania: Free agent guard Cameron Payne has agreed on a one-year deal with the Milwaukee Bucks, (https://*********.com/social/) sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. pic.twitter.com/va0ErtdVve
– via Twitter ShamsCharania (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)

good pickup for their depth

[Jasper]

Cam is an excelllent pickup for the Bucks ... he played really well in the playoffs and adds youth to an older team.

[Jasper]

dame interviewed 52.02
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7ja79oEwVU

[SATAN]

How much help does Giannis need?

[Jasper]

How much help does Giannis need?

not enough trying to collude w/bronny

[Jasper]

giannis has risen ..

He looks taller than Lopez !!

[Street Hunger]

How much better do you guys think this trade will actually make the Bucks? Now that we've all had time to think about it for a while

[Jasper]

How much better do you guys think this trade will actually make the Bucks? Now that we've all had time to think about it for a while

As giannis has stated it will take time , but I have already seen little changes to defenses that will make Giannis game easier , and Dame's as well. Playoff time watch out.

[Manny98]

Lillar sucks, he's not a winning basketball player who who will finish his career ringless

You guys get fooled by his regular season performances, his impact is shit couldn't even get Portland to the playoffs last season

[Jasper]

Lillar sucks, he's not a winning basketball player who who will finish his career ringless

You guys get fooled by his regular season performances, his impact is shit couldn't even get Portland to the playoffs last season

your an idiot. You talk like the bucks are out of the playoff race after 4 games.
you do not know bball.. w/a new coach.

[Wardell Curry]

Just goes to show how little 'NBA insiders' know...

I like Jrue, but the offensive upgrade the bucks get from this makes up for the defense

...

I think the bucks won the trade

Nope.

[ArbitraryWater]

Is it a wrap for the league? Depth lacking but Mid, Dame and the Freak is a crazy trio.

Crazy how this never came close to panning out.

Although they were very injured throughout.

Not sure if Dame wants to stay.

[tontoz]

I really thought this would be a good pairing. It seems like Dame never really wanted to be there. Or maybe he just couldn't adjust to playing more off ball

[Wardell Curry]

I really thought this would be a good pairing. It seems like Dame never really wanted to be there. Or maybe he just couldn't adjust to playing more off ball

He's bad at defense and he was a downgrade from Jrue for this particular team. And yes, that aside, he seemed unhappy.

[Manny98]

Lillar sucks, he's not a winning basketball player who who will finish his career ringless

You guys get fooled by his regular season performances, his impact is shit couldn't even get Portland to the playoffs last season
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[1987_Lakers]

Even when Lillard & Giannis were both healthy it never seemed like a good fit.

[1987_Lakers]

I really thought this would be a good pairing. It seems like Dame never really wanted to be there. Or maybe he just couldn't adjust to playing more off ball

I think this might be a reason. He performed pretty bad on the Olympic USA team a few years ago while being paired with other stars.

[Jasper]

Dame was not shooting open jumpers when he first brought the ball down the floor.

In Portland , any thing open , he let her fly.

His layup ratio was probably the highest in his career 2023-24.
Don't need that from Giannis stand point.

It'll work out 2024-25 season.

[AlternativeAcc.]

We learned nothing. Giannis literally missed the entire series and Dame missed multiple games himself.

Healthy Bucks were the only team that could've pushed Celtics to the brink. We were robbed.

[SouBeachTalents]

We learned nothing. Giannis literally missed the entire series and Dame missed multiple games himself.

Healthy Bucks were the only team that could've pushed Celtics to the brink. We were robbed.
Hell, I felt like this last year when Giannis missed most of the series and they lost due to Butler morphing into MJ over the final 2 games. I felt like the front office overreacted and prematurely broke up a championship core.

But this time, with Giannis not playing at all and Dame missing games too, it's just retarded to try to make any kind of definitive statement about this team based off this result.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Hell, I felt like this last year when Giannis missed most of the series and they lost due to Butler morphing into MJ over the final 2 games. I felt like the front office overreacted and prematurely broke up a championship core.

But this time, with Giannis not playing at all and Dame missing games too, it's just retarded to try to make any kind of definitive statement about them based off this result.

Exactly. If jokic tears his acl in game 1 and Murray misses multiple games, will we pretend the nuggets were never contenders?

Dudes coming in here on some I told you so type shit is 3ball level reaching

[Axe]

Hell, I felt like this last year when Giannis missed most of the series and they lost due to Butler morphing into MJ over the final 2 games. I felt like the front office overreacted and prematurely broke up a championship core.

But this time, with Giannis not playing at all and Dame missing games too, it's just retarded to try to make any kind of definitive statement about this team based off this result.
They could have done better. But once doc rivers took over the head coaching, they were already screwed af.

[beasted]

Hell, I felt like this last year when Giannis missed most of the series and they lost due to Butler morphing into MJ over the final 2 games. I felt like the front office overreacted and prematurely broke up a championship core.

But this time, with Giannis not playing at all and Dame missing games too, it's just retarded to try to make any kind of definitive statement about this team based off this result.

I think what's clear to everyone with eyes and understanding is that Doc and the way this team was playing had no chance at a Finals run. Sure, they were probably better than a 1st round exit.

[bluechox2]

Doc rivers happened

[BarberSchool]

^Shiiiieeeeeet.

Adrian happened first.

Adrian happened to Dame’s former head coach, Terry Stotz.
Adrian insecurity and paranoia ROBBED the Bucks players (and himself) of what Terry could have helped Dame with, to incorporate and smooth things out MUCH FASTER.

Doc certainly didn’t pick up up the pieces yet tho. They still a mess no doubt.

[warriorfan]

Seems like a combo of lots of things. One of the biggest is the underrating of Jrue Holiday.

[1987_Lakers]

We learned nothing. Giannis literally missed the entire series and Dame missed multiple games himself.

Healthy Bucks were the only team that could've pushed Celtics to the brink. We were robbed.

Yeah, but even when they were healthy, Dame was having one of his worse seasons of his career, the defense overall also fell off a cliff & to top it off they had inadequate coaching all year. Literally had their main assistant coach Terry Stotts step down before the season started due to Griffin's ego, I don't think Lillard was happy with that either.

Overall this team is pretty up there in age, Middleton & Lopez are not what they used to be. They need to retool most of their role players & fix their coaching. They had Beverley & Crowder playing significant minutes during the year, Beverley was playing more than 30 mpg in the postseason. :lol

[1987_Lakers]

^Shiiiieeeeeet.

Adrian happened first.

Adrian happened to Dame’s former head coach, Terry Stotz.
Adrian insecurity and paranoia ROBBED the Bucks players (and himself) of what Terry could have helped Dame with, to incorporate and smooth things out MUCH FASTER.

Doc certainly didn’t pick up up the pieces yet tho. They still a mess no doubt.

Preach.

Edit: Just realized Beverley played 40 minutes tonight. Wtf is Doc Rivers doing???

[Wardell Curry]

Just such incredible takes in this thread as well. I know I can always count on ISH to spit facts.

[Real Men Wear Green]

If Brogdon is still pissed the Celtics should see if him and a draft pick can bring in Holiday.
Sometimes I amaze me.

[Wardell Curry]

Sometimes I amaze me.

Yeah, sometimes you amaze me too.


I don't like trading Williams at all. I may be alone in this but thinking long term I wouldn't trade him for Holiday one for one. Healthy Brogdon isn't that far behind Holiday just by himself. If Brogdon was still posed then sure. Jim and some firsts. But including Williams? I hope I'm wrong.

Great take. Thanks for the insight. You are a positive here.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Yeah, sometimes you amaze me too.



Great take. Thanks for the insight. You are a positive here.
Williams got hurt. Really unfortunate situation there. You seem upset. Cheer up.

[warriorfan]

Yeah, sometimes you amaze me too.



Great take. Thanks for the insight. You are a positive here.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[NBAGOAT]

Williams got hurt. Really unfortunate situation there. You seem upset. Cheer up.

Wat about saying brogdon isn’t far behind holiday?

[Real Men Wear Green]

Wat about saying brogdon isn’t far behind holiday?
What about saying the Celtics shouldn't have paid Jaylen Brown? I was going to let a lot of stuff go but you guys are asking for it. Yes, Holiday did better. That had a lot to do with health though. Brogdon is a very good player, has been a 20ppg scorer and was good for the Celtics until he got hurt.

[NBAGOAT]

What about saying the Celtics shouldn't have paid Jaylen Brown? I was going to let a lot of stuff go but you guys are asking for it. Yes, Holiday did better. That had a lot to do with health though. Brogdon is a very good player, has been a 20ppg scorer and was good for the Celtics until he got hurt.

I stand by that though yes winning a title means you can be ok with almost any overpay. However if Sixers had somehow won a title the last few years idc, Tobias is overpaid. Jaylen isn’t near that cutoff and proved me wrong at least by having a career year and outplaying Tatum. I’m fine getting my takes get called out on. I’ll just say we will see how their roster rounds out the next few years. No guarantee it becomes a dynasty and that’s when you might wish for a deeper bench(see denver)

No health isn’t the main factor. Brogdon was a 6moy lvl guy who’s mediocre defensively, holiday was an all star who was an all-nba defender. The 2 weren’t in same stratosphere at the time. That was just your Boston bias coming through. Holiday doesn’t do nearly as much as he did last year he’s still much better than brogdon who started this year

[Real Men Wear Green]

I stand by that though yes winning a title means you can be ok with almost any overpay. However if Sixers had somehow won a title the last few years idc, Tobias is overpaid. Jaylen isn’t near that cutoff and proved me wrong at least by having a career year and outplaying Tatum. I’m fine getting my takes get called out on. I’ll just say we will see how their roster rounds out the next few years. No guarantee it becomes a dynasty and that’s when you might wish for a deeper bench(see denver) If he leads the Celtics to a championship your dithering over a few million dollars is a joke.


No health isn’t the main factor. Brogdon was a 6moy lvl guy who’s mediocre defensively, holiday was an all star who was an all-nba defender. The 2 weren’t in same stratosphere at the time. That was just your Boston bias coming through. Holiday doesn’t do nearly as much as he did last year he’s still much better than brogdon who started this year Brogdon absolutely was not a bad defender. He's just not Jrue Holiday.

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If he leads the Celtics to a championship your dithering over a few million dollars is a joke.

Brogdon absolutely was not a bad defender. He's just not Jrue Holiday.

He’s neutral impact wise and mediocre. Would be the worst defender in their rotation if he was still on the team. if he was on the court Luka would be hunting him a bunch of possessions. Sure 1 ring cancels out everything but you kinda discount that over time. Denver fans are already considering trading mpj and complaining about his contract they’re 1 yr removed from a title

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He’s neutral impact wise and mediocre. Would be the worst defender in their rotation if he was still on the team. if he was on the court Luka would be hunting him a bunch of possessions. Sure 1 ring cancels out everything but you kinda discount that over time. Denver fans are already considering trading mpj and complaining about his contract they’re 1 yr removed from a titleJB is five levels above Porter so that comparison is silly. Replace him with a random 15ppg wing and Denver is just as good. The list of players that could do what Brown is doing is sort and anyone mentioned would get supermax.

Brogdon being an inferior defender to All-D candidates doesn't mean his defense sucks. You don't seem to know what you're talking about here. And I've always said that Holiday is the better player.

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JB is five levels above Porter so that comparison is silly. Replace him with a random 15ppg wing and Denver is just as good. The list of players that could do what Brown is doing is sort and anyone mentioned would get supermax.

Brogdon being an inferior defender to All-D candidates doesn't mean his defense sucks. You don't seem to know what you're talking about here. And I've always said that Holiday is the better player.

Mpj makes a lot less money too so I can compare the situations. If Celtics are passed by some other team in a couple years, people will nitpick their salaries. What you said about porter seems obvious now but last year nuggets fans thought he was a core piece and going be the 3rd guy on a title team and didn’t entertain trades for him. Jaylen makes 50% more money than mpj and is instead the 2nd guy on a title team(ik he’s winning fmvp but still a fair assessment)

I do know wat I’m talking about with brogdon. I didn’t say he sucked I just said he wasn’t a good defender. His defense was always a bit overrated people assume he’s a 2 way guy but he’s not. Won’t hurt your defense or help it during RS. In the late stages of playoffs, those guys are now the weak link on court. The only worse defenders getting playing time are superstars. You said brogdon wasn’t far behind holiday, that was very wrong too.

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The whole JB thing you are talking about is silly. MPJ has nothing to do with his situation and nothing you are talking about there makes any sense.

Not particularly interested in your opinion on Brogdon either.

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Trying to say Brogdon is comparable to Jrue Holiday is absurd

Stop going clown mode and doubling down and just admit it wasn’t a good take

Jesus

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Pritchard/Hasuer/Kornet being underrated as your 7-9 guy is all

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The whole JB thing you are talking about is silly. MPJ has nothing to do with his situation and nothing you are talking about there makes any sense.

Not particularly interested in your opinion on Brogdon either.

The mpj parallel is very simple. After denver won a title no one was saying mpj was overpaid, a title makes you not worry about anything. A year removed and things can change quickly is all I’m saying. I will ofc agree I was wrong brown isn’t overpaid after the title run. We’ll just see what people say in 1-2 years.

You being not interested in my opinion doesn’t mean it doesn’t have validity. Saying you’re not interested in my opinion is a clever way to end an argument I’ll have to steal that one lol. Btw brogdon has never been a positive by defensive epm in his entire career. I’m not basing my opinion off nothing. There’s evidence statistically I’ve seen him get blown by enough by quick pgs and it’s a common opinion with bucks and pacers and Celtics fans who watched him

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The mpj parallel is very simple. After denver won a title no one was saying mpj was overpaid, a title makes you not worry about anything. A year removed and things can change quickly is all IÂ’m saying.

you have most certainly cemeted your legacy in drunk driving without actually injuring someone.

now enjoy all the smoke you can, until you've paralyzed your body enough to tell yourself "gotta learn how to count before I tell myself I know addition, subtraction, and multiplication. gotta learn how to count you worthless piece of sh*t".