The migrants aren't victims, refugees, or threats but raw human energy

[Atlantis]

Read this poem by Walt Whitman
Pioneers! O Pioneers! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneers!_O_Pioneers!)



Come my tan-faced children,
Follow well in order, get your weapons ready,
Have you your pistols? have you your sharp-edged axes?
Pioneers! O pioneers!

For we cannot tarry here,
We must march my darlings, we must bear the brunt of danger,
We the youthful sinewy races, all the rest on us depend,
Pioneers! O pioneers!

O you youths, Western youths,
So impatient, full of action, full of manly pride and friendship,
Plain I see you Western youths, see you tramping with the foremost,
Pioneers! O pioneers!

Have the elder races halted?
Do they droop and end their lesson, wearied over there beyond the seas?
We take up the task eternal, and the burden and the lesson,
Pioneers! O pioneers!

All the past we leave behind,
We debouch upon a newer mightier world, varied world,
Fresh and strong the world we seize, world of labor and the march,
Pioneers! O pioneers!


There are two portrayals of migrants in the mainstream media: (1) as "victims", refugees fleeing poverty, corruption, crime (2) as threats, people who are taking American jobs and are replacing whites.

I don't disagree with these portrayals of migrants because I think they're offensive.

I disagree with them because I think they're just flat out wrong.

In my opinion the migrants are just like the pioneers from the 19th century United States. What drives them is an abundance of energy, a passionate drive to explore and to seek a new life.

But the thing is, the migrant isn't going to explain this to you like this. Even if you asked an American pioneer in the 19th century why they were moving West, they wouldn't really be able to explain. It was just like this internal drive that is hard to express using prose. The poem by Walt Whitman is illuminating - the poet gives concrete expression to the "spirit of the age."

Whites, Asians, and Blacks are the "elder races" whose energies have been sapped. We are comfortable with what we have and want to preserve it.

The Hispanic and Latin races are the new pioneers, who seek worlds beyond their own, driven by a spiritual energy that defies rational comprehension. This spiritual energy will naturally lead to their cultural expansion. It's a force of nature.

This it the uncomfortable truth of the "migrant crisis" that neither party is willing to speak up on. These aren't victims or threats, they're confident explorers who won't be stopped by a wall. You can't solve a problem unless you understand it. They're not threats because the kid who jumps around and can't sit still isn't trying to hurt you - they just have so much energy that they can't help themselves.

Why have Hispanic people suddenly acquired this spiritual energy? It comes and goes in every race/culture. But they have it now.

[iamgine]

Legal migrants are great.

Illegal migrants on the other hand...

[diamenz]

it's simple - they're illegal. that's the issue.

[highwhey]

it's simple - they're illegal. that's the issue.

you're illegal. unless you're a native, you're illegal. :D

[diamenz]

you're illegal. unless you're a native, you're illegal. :D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkF2iYuKOeg

[highwhey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkF2iYuKOeg

at the current moment i cannot further influence my youtube algorithm as i have reached the ideal one. can you summarize the video textually?

[Lakers Legend#32]

You're asking the board MAGAs to read poetry?

BWAWAWAHAHAHAHA!

[rmt]

Read this poem by Walt Whitman
Pioneers! O Pioneers! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneers!_O_Pioneers!)



There are two portrayals of migrants in the mainstream media: (1) as "victims", refugees fleeing poverty, corruption, crime (2) as threats, people who are taking American jobs and are replacing whites.

I don't disagree with these portrayals of migrants because I think they're offensive.

I disagree with them because I think they're just flat out wrong.

In my opinion the migrants are just like the pioneers from the 19th century United States. What drives them is an abundance of energy, a passionate drive to explore and to seek a new life.

But the thing is, the migrant isn't going to explain this to you like this. Even if you asked an American pioneer in the 19th century why they were moving West, they wouldn't really be able to explain. It was just like this internal drive that is hard to express using prose. The poem by Walt Whitman is illuminating - the poet gives concrete expression to the "spirit of the age."

Whites, Asians, and Blacks are the "elder races" whose energies have been sapped. We are comfortable with what we have and want to preserve it.

The Hispanic and Latin races are the new pioneers, who seek worlds beyond their own, driven by a spiritual energy that defies rational comprehension. This spiritual energy will naturally lead to their cultural expansion. It's a force of nature.

This it the uncomfortable truth of the "migrant crisis" that neither party is willing to speak up on. These aren't victims or threats, they're confident explorers who won't be stopped by a wall. You can't solve a problem unless you understand it. They're not threats because the kid who jumps around and can't sit still isn't trying to hurt you - they just have so much energy that they can't help themselves.

Why have Hispanic people suddenly acquired this spiritual energy? It comes and goes in every race/culture. But they have it now.

The pioneers of the 19th century weren't under laws where we have to provide free education and free health/ER care (not to mention free phones). If this continues, our social service systems will collapse. Open borders and welfare states are not compatible - no wonder NYC and Chicago are straining under the weight of dozens of thousands - how do they think Texas and Arizona manage with the millions who come into their states?

Here in Miami, we added 14k students to MDCPS from year to year - at least, here, most speak Spanish - how do the teachers in northern states cope? The more illegal migrant students who come into the system, the less resources, money, teacher time/attention YOUR kids have.

There seems to be more cars on the roads everyday. And don't get sick - the wait in ERs are long.

[RRR3]

The pioneers of the 19th century weren't under laws where we have to provide free education and free health/ER care (not to mention free phones). If this continues, our social service systems will collapse. Open borders and welfare states are not compatible - no wonder NYC and Chicago are straining under the weight of dozens of thousands - how do they think Texas and Arizona manage with the millions who come into their states?

Here in Miami, we added 14k students to MDCPS from year to year - at least, here, most speak Spanish - how do the teachers in northern states cope? The more illegal migrant students who come into the system, the less resources, money, teacher time/attention YOUR kids have.

There seems to be more cars on the roads everyday. And don't get sick - the wait in ERs are long.
The US isn't even close to a welfare state, shut up grandma.

[rmt]

The US isn't even close to a welfare state, shut up grandma.

Can any school-age child be turned away from public schools or any injured/sick turned away from the ER? Don't you believe in free speech?

[bladefd]

The pioneers of the 19th century weren't under laws where we have to provide free education and free health/ER care (not to mention free phones). If this continues, our social service systems will collapse. Open borders and welfare states are not compatible - no wonder NYC and Chicago are straining under the weight of dozens of thousands - how do they think Texas and Arizona manage with the millions who come into their states?

Here in Miami, we added 14k students to MDCPS from year to year - at least, here, most speak Spanish - how do the teachers in northern states cope? The more illegal migrant students who come into the system, the less resources, money, teacher time/attention YOUR kids have.

There seems to be more cars on the roads everyday. And don't get sick - the wait in ERs are long.

The quality of life & life expectancy was also much sh!ttier in the 19th century. And population was largely uneducated except for the rich. Is that what you long for??

What open borders? As for 'welfare state', you do realize that illegals can't apply for medicaid/Medicare/ss/public education, right? At least not in my state (medicare/ss are federal so illegals can't apply across the nation). Medicaid requires proof of permanent residency (or citizenship) and several proofs of identification (like photo id, birth certificate, etc).

Public education requires permanent address and might require identification - this one I'm not too certain about as far as requirements go. It probably varies from state to state and county to county.

[bladefd]

Can any school-age child be turned away from public schools or any injured/sick turned away from the ER? Don't you believe in free speech?

ER can't turn you away, true. Public schools can require proof of identification and permanent address.

[rmt]

ER can't turn you away, true. Public schools can require proof of identification and permanent address.


Permanent address? Homeless children are required to go to school too - we can't just have them roaming the streets. Please note the bolded about migratory children.

5111.01 - HOMELESS STUDENTS



The District Project UP-START program serves children and youth who are identified as meeting the Federal definition of "homeless". Homeless children and youth, including those who are not currently enrolled in school due to homelessness, shall have equal access to the same free appropriate public education (FAPE) in public schools and preschool education programs in the same manner as all other District students.



Additionally, homeless students shall have access to other services needed to ensure an opportunity to meet the same challenging State academic standards to which all students are held and to fully participate in the DistrictÂ’s academic and extra-curricular activities for which they meet relevant eligibility criteria. To that end, homeless students shall not be stigmatized or segregated on the basis of their status as homeless. The District shall establish safeguards that protect homeless students from discrimination on the basis of their homelessness and shall remove barriers identifying homeless children and youth.



The District shall regularly review and revise its policies, including school discipline policies that impact homeless students, including those students who may be a member of any of the protected classes (See Policy 2260, Nondiscrimination and Access to Equal Educational Opportunity). No School Board policy, administrative procedure, or practice will be interpreted or applied in such a way as to inhibit the enrollment, attendance, or success of homeless children and youth in school.



Definition of Homeless Students and Youth

Homeless children and youth are defined as individuals who lack a fixed, regular, and adequate nighttime residence, and include children and youth who meet any of the following criteria:

share the housing of other persons due to loss of housing, economic hardship, or similar reason;

live in motels, hotels, trailer parks, or camping grounds due to a lack of alternative adequate accommodations;

live in emergency or transitional shelters;

are abandoned in hospitals;

have a primary night time residence that is a public or private place not designed for, or ordinarily used as, a regular sleeping accommodation for human beings;

live in a car, park, public space, abandoned building, substandard housing, bus or train station, or similar setting; or

are migratory children who are living in circumstances described above.


Pursuant to the McKinney-Vento Act, the definition of homeless students and youth includes an unaccompanied youth or child who is not in the physical custody of a parent or guardian, including a youth who has run away from home, who has been forced to leave his/her home, or whose parents have left the area and left the youth behind. Under State law, an unaccompanied homeless youth, who is sixteen (16) years of age or older and found to be unaccompanied homeless youth eligible for services under Federal law, shall be issued a card documenting homeless status by the DistrictÂ’s Liaison for Homeless Children that includes information on the rights and benefits for such youth, the contact information for the DistrictÂ’s Liaison for homeless children and youths, and all of the information required by F.S. 1001.42(28).



Services to Homeless Children and Youth

The District and each school shall provide services to homeless students that are comparable to other students in the District, including, but not limited to:

transportation services to the school of origin;

public preschool programs administered by the LEA;

counseling services for unaccompanied youth to prepare and improve their readiness for postsecondary education;

other educational programs and services for which the homeless student meets eligibility criteria including, but not limited to:

programs for children with disabilities;

programs for English Language Learners (ELL) (i.e. students with Limited English Proficiency (LEP));

programs in career and technical education;

programs for gifted and talented students;

school nutrition programs; and

Title I programs; and

before and after school programs.
 

The Superintendent shall appoint a District Liaison for homeless children and youth who will perform the duties required by the McKinney-Vento Act. Additionally, the Liaison will coordinate District programs and collaborate with the State Coordinator for the Education of Homeless Children and Youth, as well as with community and school personnel responsible for the provision of education and related services to homeless children and youth. The Liaison will coordinate and collaborate with local social services and other community agencies to provide support to homeless students and their families, with other school districts regarding homeless student-related transportation, transfer of school records, and other inter-district activities, as needed, and with housing authorities, and with Exceptional Student Education (ESE) programs.


https://go.boarddocs.com/fl/sbmd/Board.nsf/goto?open&id=CNGLNW57615B#



ALL children who have attained the age of six (6) years by February 1st of any school year but have not attained the age of sixteen (16) years, are required to attend school regularly during the entire school term. (the dates and age probably vary from county to county)

https://attendanceservices.dadeschools.net/#!/fullWidth/689

[bladefd]

Permanent address? Homeless children are required to go to school too - we can't just have them roaming the streets. Please note the bolded about migratory children.

5111.01 - HOMELESS STUDENTS



The District Project UP-START program serves children and youth who are identified as meeting the Federal definition of "homeless". Homeless children and youth, including those who are not currently enrolled in school due to homelessness, shall have equal access to the same free appropriate public education (FAPE) in public schools and preschool education programs in the same manner as all other District students.



Additionally, homeless students shall have access to other services needed to ensure an opportunity to meet the same challenging State academic standards to which all students are held and to fully participate in the DistrictÂ’s academic and extra-curricular activities for which they meet relevant eligibility criteria. To that end, homeless students shall not be stigmatized or segregated on the basis of their status as homeless. The District shall establish safeguards that protect homeless students from discrimination on the basis of their homelessness and shall remove barriers identifying homeless children and youth.



The District shall regularly review and revise its policies, including school discipline policies that impact homeless students, including those students who may be a member of any of the protected classes (See Policy 2260, Nondiscrimination and Access to Equal Educational Opportunity). No School Board policy, administrative procedure, or practice will be interpreted or applied in such a way as to inhibit the enrollment, attendance, or success of homeless children and youth in school.



Definition of Homeless Students and Youth

Homeless children and youth are defined as individuals who lack a fixed, regular, and adequate nighttime residence, and include children and youth who meet any of the following criteria:

share the housing of other persons due to loss of housing, economic hardship, or similar reason;

live in motels, hotels, trailer parks, or camping grounds due to a lack of alternative adequate accommodations;

live in emergency or transitional shelters;

are abandoned in hospitals;

have a primary night time residence that is a public or private place not designed for, or ordinarily used as, a regular sleeping accommodation for human beings;

live in a car, park, public space, abandoned building, substandard housing, bus or train station, or similar setting; or

are migratory children who are living in circumstances described above.


Pursuant to the McKinney-Vento Act, the definition of homeless students and youth includes an unaccompanied youth or child who is not in the physical custody of a parent or guardian, including a youth who has run away from home, who has been forced to leave his/her home, or whose parents have left the area and left the youth behind. Under State law, an unaccompanied homeless youth, who is sixteen (16) years of age or older and found to be unaccompanied homeless youth eligible for services under Federal law, shall be issued a card documenting homeless status by the DistrictÂ’s Liaison for Homeless Children that includes information on the rights and benefits for such youth, the contact information for the DistrictÂ’s Liaison for homeless children and youths, and all of the information required by F.S. 1001.42(28).



Services to Homeless Children and Youth

The District and each school shall provide services to homeless students that are comparable to other students in the District, including, but not limited to:

transportation services to the school of origin;

public preschool programs administered by the LEA;

counseling services for unaccompanied youth to prepare and improve their readiness for postsecondary education;

other educational programs and services for which the homeless student meets eligibility criteria including, but not limited to:

programs for children with disabilities;

programs for English Language Learners (ELL) (i.e. students with Limited English Proficiency (LEP));

programs in career and technical education;

programs for gifted and talented students;

school nutrition programs; and

Title I programs; and

before and after school programs.
 

The Superintendent shall appoint a District Liaison for homeless children and youth who will perform the duties required by the McKinney-Vento Act. Additionally, the Liaison will coordinate District programs and collaborate with the State Coordinator for the Education of Homeless Children and Youth, as well as with community and school personnel responsible for the provision of education and related services to homeless children and youth. The Liaison will coordinate and collaborate with local social services and other community agencies to provide support to homeless students and their families, with other school districts regarding homeless student-related transportation, transfer of school records, and other inter-district activities, as needed, and with housing authorities, and with Exceptional Student Education (ESE) programs.


https://go.boarddocs.com/fl/sbmd/Board.nsf/goto?open&id=CNGLNW57615B#



ALL children who have attained the age of six (6) years by February 1st of any school year but have not attained the age of sixteen (16) years, are required to attend school regularly during the entire school term. (the dates and age probably vary from county to county)

https://attendanceservices.dadeschools.net/#!/fullWidth/689

Without at least a birth certificate, how would the school verify your age and what grade to put you into? Or even immunization record. Some vaccines are required for kids by federal law.

[rmt]

Without at least a birth certificate, how would the school verify your age and what grade to put you into? Or even immunization record. Some vaccines are required for kids by federal law.

Do you really think that the majority of migrant kids have the required vaccines (with required spacing between doses) much less immunization records? Lots of vaccines are required by state law to attend school - unless you homeschool. They are usually given 30 days to start/get the required vaccines, but is there follow-up on that after the expiration date? There are also religious (here in MDCPS, they are not allowed to question anyone requesting religious exemptions) and philosophical exemptions in some states. My brother's son got his shots in Jamaica - unfortunately the dosing (months between doses) was too close and not valid here - he requested a religious exemption so he would not have to give son extra shots to get him in school.

As far as ID, whatever document got the child into the country is what they would use (unless they're smuggled in and God forbid the child labor/trafficking they endure) - and who knows if it really belongs to THAT child or not - it's not like kids don't grow fast or that there's a picture on your birth certificate.

I wonder how many "sixteen/seventeen" year olds have gotten in as children. Not to mention, some of these migrants get to travel via plane without the ID/("star" Driver License that we citizens/permanent residents must have to get on a plane.

[rmt]

Meanwhile, your kids are sitting next to kids who might or might not be vaccinated.

[rmt]

The quality of life & life expectancy was also much sh!ttier in the 19th century. And population was largely uneducated except for the rich. Is that what you long for??

What open borders? As for 'welfare state', you do realize that illegals can't apply for medicaid/Medicare/ss/public education, right? At least not in my state (medicare/ss are federal so illegals can't apply across the nation). Medicaid requires proof of permanent residency (or citizenship) and several proofs of identification (like photo id, birth certificate, etc).

Public education requires permanent address and might require identification - this one I'm not too certain about as far as requirements go. It probably varies from state to state and county to county.

One of the biggest immigrant-spending items is government benefits, which some Democratic states expanded during the Trump years to cover illegal immigrants and asylum seekers. Those costs are rising as the numbers of migrants increase. Medicaid is a subsidized health-care program for low-income people, with payments shared by the federal government and states. Federal law prohibits funding for illegals, so states like New York, California, and Illinois have decided to finance the entire cost of providing for them. California began covering young adults through Medicaid in 2019, and then extended the program to adults over 50 earlier this year. Next year, the state will give coverage to all illegals in California, with an estimated price of $2.6 billion.

The bill could go much higher, as states discover that their initial estimates understate the price for offering benefits to illegals. Illinois began expanding Medicaid coverage to illegals during the pandemic, with an estimated 2023 price of about $223 million. But the state and its auditors wildly underestimated actual enrollment and costs—the projected bill for 2024 was $1 billion. Facing that unexpected burden, the state trimmed its plan, but the price will still more than double this fiscal year, to $550 million, with enrollment 90 percent higher than predicted. Republican critics argue that the much higher outlays result from the incentives that benefits create for immigrants to come illegally to the U.S. and head to states with the most generous packages, like Illinois. “The sad fact is Illinois has become a sanctuary state for undocumented immigrants,” one of the state’s Republican legislative leaders told the press earlier this year. “All I can say is, ‘If you build it, they will come.’ ”

“By June 2024, New York City anticipates, as many as 70,000 migrants will be receiving services, at a cost over the next two years of several billion dollars. ”

Some states, worried about the burgeoning costs, have cut back ambitious plans to expand programs to illegals. Nevada Democrats initially proposed giving Medicaid to all migrants, but the bill turned out to be about $300 million annually; they have since offered a more modest expansion, estimated at $90 million. Democrats in Connecticut, where children of illegal immigrants are covered up to the age of eight, wanted to raise the age limit to 26, with an extra outlay of $15 million a year. That idea has since been limited to include only younger kids, at $3 million a year more. Still, 13 largely Democratic states provide at least some Medicaid benefits to illegals already. At the rate that migrants are arriving and getting benefits, those states are looking at significant new spending for a program that already consumes a major part of most of their budgets.

https://www.city-journal.org/article/illegal-immigrations-terrifying-cost

Border and Republican states should send all these illegals to CA, IL and NY - good luck with providing Medicaid to all of them.

[rmt]

On average across the United States, the study found, immigrant households generated a net deficit—that is, they used more in state and local government services than they generated in revenues—of about $1,600 per household annually. The deficit varies substantially by state. In California, the study put it at $2,020 per household; in Massachusetts, $2,250; in Arizona, about $1,350. Those numbers, when multiplied by the number of immigrant households in each state, add up to huge drains on public treasuries—nearly $19 billion in California, $8 billion in Texas, and $6 billion in New York. And those numbers are surely higher today, given the surge of migrants of the last two years—many not working—and the expansion of benefits in places like California and New York.

These numbers should not be surprising, considering the demographics of much of the legal and illegal migration flowing across the southern border. Studies have demonstrated that these newcomers are predominantly people with less than a high school education, who tend to work in low-wage service industries. Heritage’s 2010 study, for example, found that the heads of illegal immigrant households typically have a tenth-grade education. And these migrants, even when they become legal, tend to consume far more in government services than the average American household. A 1998 National Research Council report to the U.S. Commission on Immigration Reform determined that more than 30 percent of California’s foreign-born were on Medicaid, compared with 14 percent of native-born households. Legal immigrants were also more than twice as likely to be on welfare as households headed by those born in the U.S.

Another argument for giving new arrivals government benefits is that the U.S. economy desperately needs new workers. Indeed, many industries report a hard time in finding skilled workers—particularly in manufacturing, health care, and construction. But encouraging waves of asylum seekers, as the Biden administration has done, is no answer to that shortage. Instead, the United States should reform its immigration policies to attract skilled workers, following the approach of many other countries, including Canada and Australia. By a large polling margin, Americans say that they would welcome more skilled immigrants.

But skilled workers seeking entry to America are frustrated by the immigration system’s low levels of work permits. In May, despite a nationwide shortage of trained health workers, the State Department announced that it was putting a freeze on visas for foreign nurses coming into the country, blaming a huge backlog of applications for work visas. Skilled immigrants applying for U.S. work permits have grown so discouraged that many have tried to immigrate to other countries. Recognizing the opportunity, Canada recently began trying to lure immigrants who hold specialized U.S. work visas by offering them easy entry and the promise of a smoother path to permanent residency than they face in America

[rmt]

Just 2k migrants in NYC have applied to work — with none approved to earn a paycheck

https://nypost.com/2023/10/18/just-2k-migrants-in-nyc-have-applied-to-work-with-none-approved/

So much for OP's raw human energy - certainly not going toward applying to get approval to work.