How do you clean up the Middle East?

[AirBonner]

Clearly it isn’t working there. What do you do? Pretend the whole area doesn’t exist like Antarctica? Wipe the slate clean?

[highwhey]

why do you have to clean it in the first place? do you go to random houses and feel the need to tidy up their house? no? why not?

[Bawkish]

Burn all the oil fields and sources

[AirBonner]

why do you have to clean it in the first place? do you go to random houses and feel the need to tidy up their house? no? why not?

It’s not a random house. It’s more like a tenant that hasn’t paid rent in a really long time. It’s time to be evicted

[highwhey]

It’s not a random house. It’s more like a tenant that hasn’t paid rent in a really long time. It’s time to be evicted

so a sovereign nation owes us rent? for what? what contract have they signed with the US that makes them tenants? is the middle east a dwelling the US owns? i was not aware it is our land.


how about americans learn to mind their fcking business for once?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhF6BdPE_WU

[AirBonner]

so a sovereign nation owes us rent? for what? what contract have they signed with the US that makes them tenants? is the middle east a dwelling the US owns? i was not aware it is our land.


how about americans learn to mind their fcking business for once?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhF6BdPE_WU
They owe the rest of the world rent. They’ve had it longest to get their shit together. Also Mexico pretty much handed over their land to the Spanish without a fight. I’d be mad too about my soft countrymen

[highwhey]

oh no, a dig at my ethnicity...i am so upset. how ever will i get over this? i'm 31 but this insult has me so distraught i may have to miss work tomorrow and cancel my weekend plans to deal with this insult. my emotions are all over the place right now. gee willikers.

[AirBonner]

oh no, a dig at my ethnicity...i am so upset. how ever will i get over this? i'm 31 but this insult has me so distraught i may have to miss work tomorrow and cancel my weekend plans to deal with this insult. my emotions are all over the place right now. gee willikers.

Get a job first then you can call out bud

[SATAN]

Why is OP pretending not to be trolling with this thread when it's so obvious he's fishing for attention?

[HighFlyer23]

Just leave it

It's always been a battlefield as it's a crossroad for the world

Since the days of the Sumerians and Akkadians and even prior to them

[Long Duck Dong]

People have been trying to figure this out for over 2000 years. Good luck to anyone who thinks they know the answer :lol

[Baller234]

edit:

deleted the post because i was quoting and responding to the wrong user.

apologies.

[SouBeachTalents]

I’m sure a resolution to this 60 year old conflict will finally be established on this troll filled, dying basketball forum.

[n00bie]

Take away religion.

[HighFlyer23]

Take away religion.

Was already a battlefield before the 3 religions involved there now

[Baller234]

oh no, a dig at my ethnicity...i am so upset. how ever will i get over this? i'm 31 but this insult has me so distraught i may have to miss work tomorrow and cancel my weekend plans to deal with this insult. my emotions are all over the place right now. gee willikers.

you mean you're not aryan?

[HighFlyer23]

you mean you're not aryan?

The real Aryans are the iranic tribes

The wide shouldered horsemen with the shiny black hair and heavy facial hair

[Nanners]

People have been trying to figure this out for over 2000 years. Good luck to anyone who thinks they know the answer :lol

Aside from the crusades (foreign invaders), the middle east has been relatively peaceful for the past 2000 years... or at least it was up until the early 1900s - when the brits wrote the balfour declaration and gave palestine to rabidly tribal and militant european ethnic group, created the modern borders for the middle east in a way that would intentionally cause conflict (divide and conquer 101), and did a coup on Irans first democratically elected government simply because the Iranian people wanted to use Iranian oil for the benefit of Iran instead of BP shareholders.

[HighFlyer23]

Aside from the crusades (foreign invaders), the middle east has been relatively peaceful for the past 2000 years... or at least it was up until the early 1900s - when the brits wrote the balfour declaration and gave palestine to rabidly tribal and militant european ethnic group, created the modern borders for the middle east in a way that would intentionally cause conflict (divide and conquer 101), and did a coup on Irans first democratically elected government simply because the Iranian people wanted to use Iranian oil for the benefit of Iran instead of BP shareholders.
Ehh

Was a battlefield during the Iranian roman wars and during the expansion of Islam and afterwards... Turks ... Mongols .... Timur .... Ottomans .... Various Muslim Iranian empires .....

[Nanners]

Ehh

Was a battlefield during the Iranian roman wars and during the expansion of Islam and afterwards... Turks ... Mongols .... Timur .... Ottomans .... Various Muslim Iranian empires .....

Of course there were battles in the middle east during those years, thats why I said "relative" in my post.

No doubt there have been battles in every corner of the planet ever since people existed... in the ~1500 years between the end of the romans and the end of WW2, Europe was an insanely violent place with endless massive wars. During that same period (500ad-1920ish), the middle east was basically Mr Rogers neighborhood compared to Europe.

[HighFlyer23]

Of course there were battles in the middle east during those years, thats why I said "relative" in my post.

No doubt there have been battles in every corner of the planet ever since people existed... in the ~1500 years between the end of the romans and the end of WW2, Europe was an insanely violent place with endless massive wars. During that same period (500ad-1920ish), the middle east was basically Mr Rogers neighborhood compared to Europe.

The battles waged in the middle east during that time period were at grander scale than anything that happened in Europe

The Romans and Persians had the man power to field massive armies and they did

As did the Ottomans

The Mongols wrecked extreme bloody havoc upon the middle east so much so that the sack of Baghdad may have been the bloodiest massacre of a city in history

Europe was the backwater of the world until the 16th and 17th centuries

Europe was not important after the fall of the western Roman empire and the focus shifted back east toward the middle east

[Nanners]

The battles waged in the middle east during that time period were at grander scale than anything that happened in Europe

The Romans and Persians had the man power to field massive armies and they did

The **** are you talking about. The Roman empire fell in 470 AD and the Persian empire was done by 370 BC... Like I said in the post you just quoted (but seemingly did not actually read), I am mainly referring to the period from 500ad-1920ish.



As did the Ottomans

The middle east was largely peaceful under Ottoman rule, there was not the constant fighting between ethnic factions that we see today.


The Mongols wrecked extreme bloody havoc upon the middle east so much so that the sack of Baghdad may have been the bloodiest massacre of a city in history

Like I said in my earlier post, aside from foreign invaders the middle east has been relatively peaceful for the past 2k years. Scroll up in this discussion and recall that we are talking about whether middle eastern people or the region itself is inherently violent.


Europe was the backwater of the world until the 16th and 17th centuries

Bullshit. You might be able to argue that Europe was a backwater prior to the renaissance/enlightenment (an argument that is easily debunked by comparing the architectual and cultural masterpieces of medieval europe with works created during the same period by the residents of any other civilization on the globe during this time... FFS, during the 1600s Europeans were conquering the rest of the globe (including the middle east).


Europe was not important after the fall of the western Roman empire and the focus shifted back east toward the middle east

lol sure it was ... no doubt thats why Europe is plastered with castles and other great feats of architecture built after the fall of the roman empire, while most of the great architectural wonders of the middle east are much more ancient.

[HighFlyer23]

The **** are you talking about. The Roman empire fell in 470 AD and the Persian empire was done by 370 BC... Like I said in the post you just quoted (but seemingly did not actually read), I am mainly referring to the period from 500ad-1920ish.




The middle east was largely peaceful under Ottoman rule, there was not the constant fighting between ethnic factions that we see today.



Like I said in my earlier post, aside from foreign invaders the middle east has been relatively peaceful for the past 2k years. Scroll up in this discussion and recall that we are talking about whether middle eastern people or the region itself is inherently violent.



Bullshit. You might be able to argue that Europe was a backwater prior to the renaissance/enlightenment (an argument that is easily debunked by comparing the architectual and cultural masterpieces of medieval europe with buildings during the same period by the residents of any other civilization on the globe during this time... FFS, during the 1600s Europeans were conquering the rest of the globe (including the middle east).



lol sure it was ... no doubt thats why Europe is plastered with castles and other great feats of architecture built after the fall of the roman empire, while most of the great architectural wonders of the middle east are much more ancient.

Eastern Roman empire vs Sassinid Iranian empire

Ottomans and Iranians had a host of conflicts as did the Ottomans and Mamluks

The most bloody sacking of a city occured in the middle east not to mention the mongol destruction of Iran and you are saying it was peaceful?

What architecture? Post da Vinci time? Ottoman empire was in the heart of Europe until the last 1600s early 1700s

Europe itself was backwater with nothing worth to conquer or hold except Constantinople

[Nanners]

Eastern Roman empire vs Sassinid Iranian empire

The eastern fake romans destroyed the last of the Sassinids by ~620ish.


Ottomans and Iranians had a host of conflicts as did the Ottomans and Mamluks

Nobody said they didnt have conflicts... what I said was that this period was relatively peaceful for them compared to areas like Europe. Unlike the middle east, Europe from ~500-1920ish was in a virtually constant state of war. One of these wars lasted 30 years, another one was 100 years (which was like 3 or 4 generations of people back then). When exactly were the Ottomans in a state of war against one foe for 100+ years?


The most bloody sacking of a city occured in the middle east not to mention the mongol destruction of Iran and you are saying it was peaceful?
Most bloody according to what? How exactly do you know which city sacking during this era was the most bloody?


What architecture? Post da Vinci time? Ottoman empire was in the heart of Europe until the last 1600s early 1700s

Funny that the ottomans would use enormous numbers of architects and craftsmen and enormous quantities of building materials to create magnificent cathedrals all over England/Germany/France/Italy during this period, instead of using these people/resources to build things back home around Constantinople.


Europe itself was backwater with nothing worth to conquer or hold except Constantinople

What exactly does "backwater" mean in this context... I assume it must mean a place that suddenly experienced an inexplicable proliferation of incredible architecture/engineering that would be incredibly difficult to replicate even with modern technology today

btw - youre clearly a regular around here, why are you hiding behind an alt instead of posting on your main account? Are you going to make us guess your true identity Patrick?

[HighFlyer23]

The eastern fake romans destroyed the last of the Sassinids by ~620ish.



Nobody said they didnt have conflicts... what I said was that this period was relatively peaceful for them compared to areas like Europe. Unlike the middle east, Europe from ~500-1920ish was in a virtually constant state of war. One of these wars lasted 30 years, another one was 100 years (which was like 3 or 4 generations of people back then). When exactly were the Ottomans in a state of war against one foe for 100+ years?


Most bloody according to what? How exactly do you know which city sacking during this era was the most bloody?



Funny that the ottomans would use enormous numbers of architects and craftsmen and enormous quantities of building materials to create magnificent cathedrals all over England/Germany/France/Italy during this period, instead of using these people/resources to build things back home around Constantinople.



What exactly does "backwater" mean in this context... I assume it must mean a place that suddenly experienced an inexplicable proliferation of incredible architecture/engineering that would be incredibly difficult to replicate even with modern technology today

btw - youre clearly a regular around here, why are you hiding behind an alt instead of posting on your main account? Are you going to make us guess your true identity Patrick?

Holy shit you are retarded

Eastern Roman empire was the actual Roman empire

They fought the sassinids from your own timeline until the Muslims conquered them both

Eastern Romans didn't destroy them ... Their last war was essentially mutual destruction and lasted nearly 3 decades


Those ****ing cathedrals and shit didn't pop up until later and what does that have to do with how bloody the time period was? Europe didn't field massive armies and their style of warfare was different ... Clearly you are too uneducated to make sense of anything

There were no professional armies in Europe aside from the Romans and then the Ottomans were the first tonhage professional armies ... They couldn't field massive numbers of men ...

What wars are you referring too? All of the major conflicts took place in the east

What happened in Europe that was as bloody as the mongol invasion of the middle east?

Timur e Langs conquests in the middle east may have caused up to 5% of the world population to perish ... 17 million people by some estimates ... Wtf ever happened in Europe alone that was equivalent to that

[Nanners]

Yeah no doubt the "Romans" of turkey were the same as the romans of Italy... and the Holy Roman Empire was a real empire that was roman and holy. :oldlol:

The caliphate might have finished off the sassanids but they were effectively defeated by your so-called "romans"

Those cathedrals started popping up around 1100, and since you cant remember what you said a couple posts ago, this fact is relevant to our discussion because your stupid ass recently claimed that Europe was the backwater of the world until 1600 or 1700 (scroll up if you cant remember).

Sure there were no professional armies in europe other than the romans until the Ottomans... LMAO tell that to Charlemagne or the Normans. Why exactly do you think they call it the dark ages anyway?

The mongols only ever conquered the upper 3rd of the middle east, baghdad was the southern limit of their conquest...ffs they conquered more of eastern europe than they did the middle east... which btw is irrelevant to my point - like I said earlier, the middle east was largely peaceful ASIDE FROM FOREIGN INVADERS. Learn to read, idiot.

[JohnnySic]

Nobody said they didnt have conflicts... what I said was that this period was relatively peaceful for them compared to areas like Europe. Unlike the middle east, Europe from ~500-1920ish was in a virtually constant state of war. One of these wars lasted 30 years, another one was 100 years (which was like 3 or 4 generations of people back then). When exactly were the Ottomans in a state of war against one foe for 100+ years?




You cant be serious. Sure, the Ottomans didn't have one single war last that long, but from about 1450-1650 they were involved in an almost constant string of offensive wars on all fronts. It was only when Europe clearly pulled ahead (which was demonstrated during the Great Turkish War of the late 1600's) that they finally stopped harassing Central Europe.

[Nanners]

You cant be serious. Sure, the Ottomans didn't have one single war last that long, but from about 1450-1650 they were involved in an almost constant string of offensive wars on all fronts. It was only when Europe clearly pulled ahead (which was demonstrated during the Great Turkish War of the late 1600's) that they finally stopped harassing Central Europe.

did you read the post you have quoted here? its not clear how your response is relevant.

one could claim that virtually all of the colonial powers of europe were involved in constant wars from ~1500-1880ish, and technically it would be true - simply as a product of colonialism, England, France and Spain were all involved in several armed conflicts throughout that entire era...

[HighFlyer23]

Yeah no doubt the "Romans" of turkey were the same as the romans of Italy... and the Holy Roman Empire was a real empire that was roman and holy. :oldlol:

The caliphate might have finished off the sassanids but they were effectively defeated by your so-called "romans"

Those cathedrals started popping up around 1100, and since you cant remember what you said a couple posts ago, this fact is relevant to our discussion because your stupid ass recently claimed that Europe was the backwater of the world until 1600 or 1700 (scroll up if you cant remember).

Sure there were no professional armies in europe other than the romans until the Ottomans... LMAO tell that to Charlemagne or the Normans. Why exactly do you think they call it the dark ages anyway?

The mongols only ever conquered the upper 3rd of the middle east, baghdad was the southern limit of their conquest...ffs they conquered more of eastern europe than they did the middle east... which btw is irrelevant to my point - like I said earlier, the middle east was largely peaceful ASIDE FROM FOREIGN INVADERS. Learn to read, idiot.

You are a stupid mother ****er

Aside from foreign invaders?

Thats like saying heart disease doesnt kill the most if you take the elderly out the equation ... It's ****ing stupid and randomly conditional to say .... I'm sure when the Europeans fought other Europeans they saw the others as FOREIGN INVADERS you stupid **** ... You are comparing a continent in Europe to a arbitrarily defined region that is the middle east

****ing cathedrals and shit have nothing to do with any of that

The middle east is at the forefront of conflict since day one as almost all of the ancient great empires have gone through the middle east as did the conquerors of latter days and other empires and polities of latter days

Europe never saw that scale until later

The Mongols conquered everything until the Mamluks halted them and that was at Ain Jalut you stupid **** ...