2023-24 NBA Season

[Xiao Yao You]

https://thejnotes.com/posts/3-types-of-players-the-utah-jazz-need-in-order-to-compete-for-the-playoff-01hmmfcg4cwy


A defensive minded center off the bench

start Kessler. Olynyk behind him


A more physically gifted power forward to compliment the starting five

Lauri with Collins behind him if they can't trade him. If they do Simone or Hendricks



Simone Fontecchio has shown to be a viable starter. There are better options than him, but not at the price that they'd cost to get. Behind him, however, you have Ochai Agbaji (https://thejnotes.com/posts/benching-ochai-agbaji-for-jordan-clarkson-was-a-major-mistake-for-the-utah-jazz-01hh7pbdbc4c), who has not been that good this season. His shot isn't falling as we'd hope, and while his defense is solid, if you can find someone who can shoot better than Agbaji can while playing defensively as well as he can, you have got to make that move.



Need Agbaji's defensive energy. Hendricks is the guy and they already have him.

I'd look to move Collins, Simone and The Bum ideally for some wing depth which they really lack. More Kessler, Dunn, Hendricks and Agbaji and maybe Talen if he's not moved too. I think he could be a 6th man type. Hardy proof the roster and see what they can really do!

[Xiao Yao You]

https://thejnotes.com/posts/quentin-grimes-has-potential-for-the-utah-jazz-but-he-may-not-be-the-player-the-team-needs-01hmmb09e4fb

they want The Bum supposedly. Get it done! :cheers:

[Xiao Yao You]

https://thejnotes.com/posts/the-new-york-knicks-may-want-jordan-clarkson-and-there-could-be-a-trade-to-be-had-01hmsccanzde


The move works for the Knicks, as they get better on offense with Clarkson and Collins while retaining some defense with Horton-Tucker, and the Jazz get out from two bad defensive players while remaking their defense in the process. Not only that, but gives the Jazz a second big off the bench to back up Kessler, and someone behind Simone Fontecchi with Hart just in case.



What about Olynyk? Hart is better than Simone which doesn't mean Hardy would agree of course

[Xiao Yao You]

https://thejnotes.com/posts/the-utah-jazz-should-only-make-trades-if-it-improves-the-roster-this-year-01hn1248r9r5


The Utah Jazz should only make trades if it improves the roster this year

wrong. You make trades for short and long term benefits. They aren't winning a title this year even if they got someone like Murray. In the future they could win with the right moves now

[Xiao Yao You]

https://thejnotes.com/posts/the-utah-jazz-should-consider-trading-the-rookies-if-the-right-deal-comes-along-01hn122hvjbg


The rookies are not untouchable and shouldn't be seen as such.


obviously when you trade the 3rd best player in franchise history no one is untouchable but these are the 3 guys that Danny has hand picked so they aren't likely going anywhere



The folks in and around the Jazz seem to be high on these three rookies, with a lot of people wanting to see John Collins or Kelly Olynyk moved just so we see if Hendricks can play productive NBA minutes. That's a solid request because you'll never know until you try. The only problem is that the Jazz are both a team rebuilding and competing at the same time. They're both trying to make the playoffs and see if their young talent has it in them to be starters or stars at the next level.



from what I've seen Hendricks should be in the rotation possibly starting at the 3. So yes I'd be looking to move Collins, Simone, The Bum to make that happen. Olynyk is tough to let go of

[Xiao Yao You]

https://thejnotes.com/posts/the-wizards-game-proved-that-kelly-olynyk-should-get-more-minutes-01hn25smafgw


Collins had a good game but George went 1-6, and so we have to wonder why Olynyk and Collin Sexton, constantly take back seats to guys like George when they're struggling so much to be a positive player on the team.



not too familiar with Coach Hardy I take it? George is at least young. The Bum otoh... :facepalm

[Xiao Yao You]

https://thejnotes.com/posts/if-ben-simmons-gets-bought-out-the-utah-jazz-would-be-wise-to-add-him-01hn8ekkzvpg

God no! :facepalm

Next stop for him will be Australia I'd think

[Xiao Yao You]

https://thejnotes.com/posts/bleacher-report-once-again-underestimates-who-and-what-the-utah-jazz-need-at-the-trade-deadline-01hn8g76k3nt


Yet, Bleacher Report's Zach Buckley (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10106204-every-nba-teams-top-3-trade-deadline-targets)continues to believe the Jazz are sellers at the deadline, and whatever trade they make will be a low-impact one. In this recent article, Buckley suggests the Jazz target the New York Knicks' Quentin Grimes, the Atlanta Hawks' AJ Griffin, and draft picks. Buckley buys into the concept that everyone can be "developed" and fails to realize that Griffin is a flat-out bad player who hurts the Jazz and takes up a valuable roster spot, while Griffin is all defense and no offense.





Griffin is 20 and a former mid 1st round pick. When he got playing time last year he shot 39% on 4 3's a game. He's also a wing which is where the Jazz need guys more than anywhere else. :facepalm


Grimes may be a guy you can invest some time in, but only if you decide to give up on the year and decide to give a guard who has no real scoring ability a lot of minutes. He shot barely over 40% from the floor in college and yet now we believe he can turn into a competent offensive player? No, that's really not how it works. Sure, there are outliers but for the most part, if you're not a good shooter before the NBA, you don't become a great one just by practicing.



another young wing than can shoot. 38% on 5 3's for career. I'd take anything the Knicks had to offer if it means they take The Bum!

Sometimes trades are addition by subtraction.

[Xiao Yao You]

https://thejnotes.com/posts/the-utah-jazz-need-to-upgrade-their-bench-if-they-hope-to-compete-01hn8f121xhd


The bench is in shambles right now and it needs to be re-worked if you want a better chance at winning games and avoiding collapses. It's time to take George out of the rotation and trade Agbaji and Clarkson. Move Kessler to the starting rotation, and move John Collins to the bench.



Simone isn't a starter. Collins should be on the bench if they can't trade him. Hendricks could help I think. I wouldn't be giving up on Agbaji unless they're bringing in something a lot better. Athletic defender with energy. He looked like a shooter last year. I think the biggest problem this year is he hardly plays. Talen would be better than The Bum and George as much as you hate him. Play your best players more. Dunn starts and plays garbage time just so his minutes don't look as bad I think while The Bum plays starter minutes and more than Sexton. Kessler should play more. Olynyk could play more. In other words fix the roster and/or get a new coach that has a clue!

[Xiao Yao You]

https://thejnotes.com/posts/3-players-from-every-losing-team-that-would-improve-the-utah-jazz-01hkzs88rg6j/2


Clint Capela



Kessler hardly plays now and Hendricks doesn't play :facepalm


Spencer Dinwiddie



rather have Dunn playing


Gordon Hayward



I'd love it just because of the idiotic fans still booing him. Injuries are concern


Andre Drummond



Okynyk anyday. Yurtseven for that matter :facepalm


Alec Burks



wouldn't mind his return


Jeff Green



again?


Luke Kennard



like him


Malcolm Brogdon



rather have Dunn


Gary Trent Jr.



sure. Need wings

[Xiao Yao You]

https://www.deseret.com/2024/1/30/24054785/utah-jazz-new-york-knicks-inside-the-numbers


Worst performance: Jordan Clarkson and Keyonte George combined for five turnovers and went 2-of-10 from deep.



but the coach loves them. Fix it Danny please!

[Xiao Yao You]

Former Hornets player Scottie Lewis signed with G League team Salt Lake City Stars for the remainder of the 2023-24 season (https://*********.com/lists/international-and-g-league-transactions-log-2023-24-where-are-former-nba-players-going/).
– via Alberto De Roa @ ********* (https://*********.com/lists/international-and-g-league-transactions-log-2023-24-where-are-former-nba-players-going/)

[Xiao Yao You]

https://thejnotes.com/posts/don-t-speed-up-the-timeline-how-the-jazz-should-navigate-the-trade-deadline-01hnk1e81500


Selling could be a good idea for Utah. It would allow the Jazz to focus on developing George, Hendricks, Agbaji, and other young talent. Their youth is their future, and by the time those players are ready to compete in the playoffs, older players like Clarkson and Olynyk may be out of the picture anyway. I like the idea of selling for the Jazz, but only if the return is enough to support the team's future aspirations. Draft picks and young players with potential should be the target return. Clarkson and Olynyk are good players though, and great culture guys. If a good offer isn't available, retaining these players is the right move.

Agbaji and Hendricks definitely need more time. Improves the D. Hard to part with Olynyk. I'd get rid of Collins if I could and probably Simone and The Bum. Open up Kessler to start again. Hendricks gets the 4th big and wing minutes. Agbaji gets more wing minutes. Hopefully Dunn starts getting big minutes with The Bum gone. George needs to start earning them. Possibly Talen or Sensabaugh getting minutes now too depending on what comes back in those trades and moves that follow? Need wings most it would seem. I think Talen could be a 6th man off the bench still but if they aren't going to play him they might as well get rid of him.



With the recent resurgence of Collin Sexton and the promising performance of Keyonte George, giving up future draft capital to bring in a player like Murray could be detrimental to each point guard who would lose minutes to make space for Murray. Why make a veteran addition when that seems to work against their current trajectory? The Jazz have shown interest in another veteran: Hornets forward, Miles Bridges, per Yahoo Sports. (https://sports.yahoo.com/how-the-terry-rozier-trade-has-reset-the-point-guard-market-163709399.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADg9t24QBPkZY9elV6EmU3FLQu4o T_wt4liYW2Ye5MUmsHdvzy6L_n5TOkiHlo0oPBjQbsEIQQ7gfg diEexoS_YaXHIeDl-BHxAaD9-T3A0aA8A7k-Gi9jwxv-kjh8rQtNgCJsWW9S7ihdBGwvRKNhvSL3eR9cCWHtHrV8K2K6bk&guccounter=2)



Lauri, Murray and Sexton makes them one of the better teams in the league. Might have to get rid of Dunn if you get him or relegate him back to 3rd pg. George learns behind him and Sexton until he earns their job. He's the guy I'd be after. COTM would love to have The Bum and maybe Simone, Dunn, Sensabaugh, Samanic, Yurtseven, etc, picks, cash. swaps?

[Xiao Yao You]

https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2djpmaym

(https://myespn.com/s/conversations/show/story/3894776)
Looks like The Bum straight across or with Samanic only way it works. Got the picks to make it happen

[Xiao Yao You]

all but two guys supposed to be available for Hawks.

https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2cge4z97

Get a third team to take Collins maybe. Hawks certainly can throw in more players to make something work?
(https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2cge4z97)

[Xiao Yao You]

Start Murray, Sexton, Hunter, Lauri and Kessler

Okynyk, Agbaji, Mills, George, Hendricks, with Matthews, Sensabaugh, 3rd or 4th team players fighting it out for scraps. Could also open up roster spaces for buyouts. Get better defensively even if you lose some overall depth which actually might be good. Hard for Hardy to screw that up right?

[Xiao Yao You]

Jake Fisher on Dejounte Murray: The only teams I’ve really heard actual offers about has been from the Lakers and from Utah (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-saturday-stein-line-with-marc-stein-february-3-2024-full/id1696632485?i=1000644056688).

– via Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-saturday-stein-line-with-marc-stein-february-3-2024-full/id1696632485?i=1000644056688)




get it done Danny. Lakers certainly can't offer as much

[Xiao Yao You]

The latest comes from Jazz beat writer Tony Jones of The Athletic, who was asked if Jordan Clarkson would be open to the idea of being traded to the New York Knicks when he joined ESPN 700’s The Drive with Spence Checketts. “I can tell you just from my conversations with people around the situation, I think that Jordan [Clarkson] would welcome a trade [to the Knicks] if that’s how it would go down. (https://www.si.com/nba/jazz/news/utah-jazz-new-york-knicks-trade-deadline) There’s another team out west he would welcome a trade to. I’m not going to say the name of that team and the reason why I’m not going to say the name of that team is because there’s very little chance of that trade happening.”

– via Sports Illustrated (https://www.si.com/nba/jazz/news/utah-jazz-new-york-knicks-trade-deadline)




Lakers? Make it happen please Danny!!! :cheers:

[Xiao Yao You]

Zach Lowe: There’s definitely teams that are interested in Fontecchio. I don’t know what the Jazz’s plans with Fontecchio (https://open.spotify.com/episode/0b3FzW8CpNik8KnA90ukdd?si=xbn16VkuTPyHEIVfPo-4QQ).

– via Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/episode/0b3FzW8CpNik8KnA90ukdd?si=xbn16VkuTPyHEIVfPo-4QQ)




I'm not as impressed with him as everyone else. He's been a lot better this year but he's no starter. Maybe a backup? I'd certainly be looking to move him so Hendricks and Agbaji can play

[Xiao Yao You]

https://saltcityhoops.com/sc7-trade-likelihood-50-40-90/


Of all the young guys in the Jazz’s employ, George and Kessler have shown themselves most capable of contributing to winning both now and later, making them extremely valuable to a team that’s rebuilding but also desires to be competitive soon (https://x.com/epp_jay/status/1754567710531629452?s=20). Again, neither guy is literally untouchable, but there’s a reason you just haven’t heard their names in the rumor mill.



I think Hendricks has more to offer than George and if the coach won't play Kessler how valuable is he?


Sexton’s explosion as a starter has been one of the coolest things about the 2023-24 Jazz season. You hear vague mention of him being gettable, but I have yet to hear him connected to any specific rumored deal. My guess is that’s a reflection that the dialogue on him hasn’t made it that far. Which makes sense: he’s the current co-second leading scorer (victory lap (https://saltcityhoops.com/group-scoring-trades-brigde/) time), he’s barely 25, and he’s on a really reasonable contract. (There was a time when $17 to $19M felt a little rich for Young Bull, but not anymore.) Only eight guards are averaging 17ppg or more on at least 60% true shooting, and the rest are established stars2 (https://saltcityhoops.com/sc7-trade-likelihood-50-40-90/#note-2).



should be looking to build around him and Lauri


Collins at this point is a negative asset, and that’s not even a slam on the Jazz. They got him for free, and taking swings on physically exceptional 26-year-olds is exactly what a team in the Jazz’s situation should be doing. But with defensive issues, just-OK shooting, and $53 million still owed after this season, he’s someone the Jazz would have to attach an asset to move (unless he’s salary filler in a huge buyer trade that it doesn’t sound like is currently out there). Based on where the Jazz are at today, it just doesn’t make sense to attach stuff to move on from him. Which is why I foresee he’ll be a Jazzman at 1:01 MST on Thursday.



that sucks. Needs to come off the bench at least but he's still blocking Hendricks and taking minutes from Kessler and Olynyk


Clarkson is clearly attracting more attention than that on the open market, but the big question there is whether offers for the dynamic scorer will be better in the offseason, when his cap number is $14M instead of $23M and change. There’s persistent Knicks-Clarkson chatter, although Bleacher Report’s Dan Favale speculates (https://twitter.com/danfavale/status/1753254631268884989) New York might want something closer to traditional playmaking as opposed to Clarkson’s mercurial dribble-probing. The Jazz have the luxury of waiting if they can’t get full value out of Clarkson at his current cap number; he’ll be an absolute steal for someone next season at just over $14M.



can't imagine Thibs liking him or anyone for that matter. Steal! :roll:


The Jazz absolutely love what they’ve gotten from part-time starters Simone Fontecchio and Kris Dunn. At the same time, the former was an off-the-radar signing and the latter was not on an NBA team a year ago today. At some point, if you can turn those types of bargain-basement signings into even second-round capital, you should consider it. (Utah is also light on second-rounders, which would be helpful if they want to include some of their extra 1sts in future deals but want a backstop so they can protect them on the high end… i.e. “You can have one of the Wolves’ picks, but if it’s top 4, you get this 2nd instead,” similar to what the Lakers did with their 2027 1st currently owed to the Jazz.)



Who cares how they got Dunn. He's their best defender and playmaker. Again the coach not playing him is the only problem with Dunn


Kelly Olynyk has become really important to how the Jazz play. He’s their best passer at any position, and he’s a hell of a shooter when he’s actually willing to let fly. He’s also about to be a 33-year-old free agent, which is why the consensus out there is that the Jazz will likely move on (https://x.com/AJ3Jazz/status/1754598040701460858?s=20).



I'd want to keep him especially if you can somehow move Collins


None of Talen Horton-Tucker, Omer Yurtseven, Luka Samanic or Brice Sensabaugh has played more than 53 minutes since December 21, a 15-8 span for Utah. Sensabaugh’s rookie contract and Yurtseven’s fully non-guaranteed 2024-25 probably allow the Jazz to be a little choosy with them. The other two, though, will be unrestricted free agents after 30ish more games, which means the Jazz would likely be willing, but also that they’re unlikely to draw much value.



Talen could help some teams I think including the Jazz. Yurtseven and Samanic wouldn't be bad pickups for someone either. Can't see Brice going unless they get someone like Murray or Bridges


“I wish Lauri was named to the All-Star team… He gives us the opportunity every night, no matter who we’re playing or how they’re guarding us, he’s going to give us an opportunity to create some advantages for our team because of his wide-ranging skill set…

maybe if his coach saw him as the teams best player instead of The Bum

[Xiao Yao You]

Tony Jones: Utah’s starting small forward has emerged as a serious trade target for two contending teams, according to multiple league sources: the Phoenix Suns and the Boston Celtics. (https://theathletic.com/5256215/2024/02/07/utah-jazz-nba-trade-deadline/) Both teams need to strengthen their respective second units, and Fontecchio has an easy salary number for Phoenix and Boston to get to as he is in the final year of a contract that pays him $3.1 million annually.
– via The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/5256215/2024/02/07/utah-jazz-nba-trade-deadline/)




Tony Jones: He remains a likely trade candidate, according to multiple league sources. Olynyk has registered widespread interest, particularly among likely playoff teams, (https://theathletic.com/5256215/2024/02/07/utah-jazz-nba-trade-deadline/) because of his status as an expiring contract, but more importantly his versatility on offense.
– via The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/5256215/2024/02/07/utah-jazz-nba-trade-deadline/)






Tony Jones: Clarkson is less likely than Olynyk to be traded at this point. Between now and Thursday anything can certainly happen, but the winds are swaying toward Clarkson staying with the Jazz through the deadline. (https://theathletic.com/5256215/2024/02/07/utah-jazz-nba-trade-deadline/) This would probably be a surprise to some. There is interest in Clarkson. And we reported last week that the New York Knicks have registered interest in Clarkson and Olynyk. Unlike Olynyk, Clarkson’s contract isn’t currently as easy for other teams to handle, which is why Clarkson could stay in Salt Lake City.
– via The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/5256215/2024/02/07/utah-jazz-nba-trade-deadline/)

[Xiao Yao You]

The Jazz have two players that could fit the bill on that front as the team has kicked the tires on 6-foot-7 Italian forward Simone Fontecchio and former lottery pick Kris Dunn (https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2024/02/celtics-showing-trade-interest-in-multiple-jazz-players-before-deadline.html) per league sources.
– via Booth Newspapers (https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2024/02/celtics-showing-trade-interest-in-multiple-jazz-players-before-deadline.html)

[Xiao Yao You]

https://kslsports.com/510923/what-are-jazz-getting-in-gabriele-procida/

some upside

[Xiao Yao You]

https://saltcityhoops.com/keys-for-keyonte-george-as-stretch-run-nears/

I'm for playing your best guys and that has always been Dunn and Sexton

[Xiao Yao You]

https://www.slcdunk.com/2024/2/14/24073143/utah-jazz-should-udonis-haslem-kris-dunn-nba-lauri-markkanen-will-hardy-collin-sexton-keyonte-george

rather see him go somewhere that he is appreciated. That's not Utah. He's more like Millsap or many others that the jazz just didn't realize what they had

[Xiao Yao You]

https://www.deseret.com/2024/2/14/24072197/utah-jazz-could-look-to-use-kris-dunn-in-some-new-ways-as-they-work-through-post-trade-growing-pains

Why even talk about it? He's at best their 4th guard. He won't be playing. Who wants D and playmaking when you can have Lauri standing around watching guards dribble and throw up bricks?

[Xiao Yao You]

https://thejnotes.com/posts/brice-sensabaugh-may-be-the-only-rookie-who-deserves-minutes-for-the-utah-jazz-01hpqjtg1s2s

I'm sure we''ll see him. Don't think he offers as much as Hendricks. Need D

[Xiao Yao You]

https://thejnotes.com/posts/should-the-utah-jazz-consider-drafting-bronny-james-01hpg26e8bwy

no thanks! I could see drafting him as a chip to trade to someone that wants Lebron

[Xiao Yao You]

https://thejnotes.com/posts/the-utah-jazz-should-not-be-playing-talen-horton-tucker-over-brice-sensabaugh-01hpwsbe20ge


The Utah Jazz should not be playing Talen Horton-Tucker over Brice Sensabaugh

don't play the same position. Why not just play 5 bigs!

[Xiao Yao You]

https://www.slcdunk.com/2024/2/18/24068881/utah-jazz-nba-draft-cooper-flagg-danny-ainge-lauri-markkanen-offseason


All signs are pointing to the Jazz looking to pair a star like Cooper Flagg with Lauri Markkanen



seems more likely they'll eventually look to move Lauri. The age gap will be too great between him and Ainge's young guns


June 28, 2022 - Utah Jazz hire Will Hardy (https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2022/6/28/23186928/utah-jazz-hire-will-hardy-as-new-head-coach-nba-free-agency-boston-celtics)

bad move


July 6, 2022 - Rudy Gobert traded to the Wolves (https://www.slcdunk.com/2022/7/1/23191914/rudy-gobert-traded-to-the-minnesota-timberwolves-for-multiple-players-first-round-picks-free-agency)

would be one of the top teams with him, Lauri, Conley. O'Neale and Sexton :cry:


Utah Jazz received - Ochai Agbaji, Lauri Markkanen, Collin Sexton, a 2025 1st round pick (CLE own), a Swap 2026 1st round picks, a 2027 1st round pick (CLE own), a Swap 2028 1st round picks and a 2029 1st round pick (CLE own).

:bowdown:


Pistons received - Bojan Bogdanovic

Utah Jazz received - Saben Lee, Kelly Olynyk, cash, and a TPE.



:cheers:


Having players like Kris Dunn on the team helps the team's culture, even if they’re losing games. It would be a real surprise to see the Jazz let him go because Dunn can be a valuable part of the team in whatever direction they take. If the Jazz find a big trade they can make for a star this offseason, Dunn can help. Dunn can also be a great mentor if the Jazz decide to go with a complete youth movement and hope for luck in the Cooper Flagg draft.



The coach is clueless about Dunn :facepalm


July 7, 2023 - Utah Jazz trade for John Collins (https://www.slcdunk.com/2023/6/26/23774291/breaking-utah-jazz-trade-rudy-gay-and-a-second-round-pick-for-john-collins-atlanta-hawks-2022-2023)

stuck with him now. Rather have Olynyk and Agbaji

[Xiao Yao You]

https://thejnotes.com/posts/what-young-utah-jazz-player-has-the-most-potential-01hpz3480mh4

Hendricks for sure

[Xiao Yao You]

https://thejnotes.com/posts/former-utah-jazz-coach-reveals-why-he-thinks-the-players-are-upset-about-the-trades-01hpz2qhfrfq


If the franchise isn't able to capitalize on guys like Lauri Markkanen and Collin Sexton and end up trading them, then this will be seen as one of the moments in time in which the franchise fumbled this era of Jazz basketball.



they've fumbled every era