Warriors Chris Paul

[tpols]

I didn't see a gamethread for it but is anybody watching these games?

If you thought iggy and dray were good passers and playmakers an almost 40 year old Chris Paul makes them look like amateurs. He just put up a double double with 12 dimes while curry played off ball and dropped 40. But it was Paul's passing at the end of the 3rd quarter that blew the game up vs the Kings. Somebody with his level of patience, passing, and intelligence on a high brand of ball team like Golden State is flat out dangerous.


https://youtu.be/EPvQlQgs9VI?si=1KJaZBZWCDNYJbiY

Every time the warriors got a stop and rebound the bigs knew to give the ball to Chris Paul and then with curry and klay running off ball spacing and Wiggins and Sario and looney and GP and Kuminga cutting to the rim, it's just an unstoppable attack. I never seen warriors offense look this potent.

[Xiao Yao You]

Wasn't much doubt he'd fit. Rather they have anything left when it counts is the question

[highwhey]

he's been injured in 4 out of the last 5 playoffs lol. GL.

[FultzNationRISE]

Yeah he’s an all time ceiling raiser, for most of his career he’s also been the guy expected to score in crunch time and the knock has been he does it well right up until the last possession or two then goes inexplicably AWOL.

With GS already having clutch shooters like Dray, Klay, and Wiggins (albeit no Iggy anymore) it could be the perfect fit.

Wasnt sure what CP’s physical ability is at this point so couldnt gauge the signing, but in terms of playstyle I had no doubt hed fit well.

[warriorfan]

I hate to say it but he’s looked good. Even in very advanced age he just has insane ball iq and feel for the game. I still wish there was somehow we were able to land Jrue Holiday for him and Kuminga and picks but if Paul can be load managed to stay healthy come playoffs and Kuminga takes the step people have been waiting for it could work out

[1987_Lakers]

Yeah he’s an all time ceiling raiser, for most of his career he’s also been the guy expected to score in crunch time and the knock has been he does it well right up until the last possession or two then goes inexplicably AWOL.

With GS already having clutch shooters like Dray, Klay, and Wiggins (albeit no Iggy anymore) it could be the perfect fit.

Wasnt sure what CP’s physical ability is at this point so couldnt gauge the signing, but in terms of playstyle I had no doubt hed fit well.

I see what you did there

[warriorfan]

I see what you did there

Looks like you don’t have any sort of catastrophic brain damage. Congrats.

[1987_Lakers]

Looks like you don’t have any sort of catastrophic brain damage. Congrats.

Meltdown

[tpols]

Wasn't much doubt he'd fit. Rather they have anything left when it counts is the question

That's why they got to rest him more. They have depth to play him less minutes once dray is back.

[tpols]

Yeah he’s an all time ceiling raiser, for most of his career he’s also been the guy expected to score in crunch time and the knock has been he does it well right up until the last possession or two then goes inexplicably AWOL.

With GS already having clutch shooters like Dray, Klay, and Wiggins (albeit no Iggy anymore) it could be the perfect fit.

Wasnt sure what CP’s physical ability is at this point so couldnt gauge the signing, but in terms of playstyle I had no doubt hed fit well.

Saying dray is a clutch shooter is a bannable offense lol.

The thing is the warriors outside Curry never had a player as good as Chris Paul except for Durant. They literally won the most games ever with one true star. I can't even fathom what it would be like if it was prime CP3 on this team. It would be a cheat code just like KD on them was.

[bdonovan]

He also makes some terrible decisions. One simple example was the inbound pass towards the end of the game. Granted, the game was already effectively over but he could've passed to someone in the back court, made a risky pass and turned the ball over. I also think anyone trying to assume Chris Paul is a great defender because of his past has not been paying attention recently. His defense has fallen off significantly and was exposed in playoff series with Mavs where they attacked him specifically because he could not keep up. So there are pluses and minuses. We will just have to see.

[tpols]

He also makes some terrible decisions. One simple example was the inbound pass towards the end of the game. Granted, the game was already effectively over but he could've passed to someone in the back court, made a risky pass and turned the ball over. I also think anyone trying to assume Chris Paul is a great defender because of his past has not been paying attention recently. His defense has fallen off significantly and was exposed in playoff series with Mavs where they attacked him specifically because he could not keep up. So there are pluses and minuses. We will just have to see.

Saying Chris Paul is a terrible decision maker is one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard on this site. He's literally one of if not the best decision making players of all time.

[Xiao Yao You]

That's why they got to rest him more. They have depth to play him less minutes once dray is back.

not just him. They are old.

[bdonovan]

I'm re-reviewing some of his passes:

* In one Offensive Possession, he hands it off to Klay beyond the arc and runs off. Huh? That doesn't sound like a good offensive idea. Klay is not the best ball handler and doesn't "create" that often. (Nor does he pass- so not going to get team offense)

* Again, passes to a Klay Thompson who is not set, and not positioned for an open shot. Klay of course hurls it. This time he makes it but it's not a good offensive set.

However, it does show that Paul has respect for GSW's established players, which I could not say of Durant, who both avoided passing to Klay and also didn't emphasize team offense.

* Another case where he drives against two defenders and gets blocked.

* Dishes it off to Klay behind the arc (without a set shot), Klay travels (Klay not the best ball handler)

* He does make a number of solid passes; penetrating and passing to Saric for 3 (misses it but it was a wide open shot/good-look), good at getting his own shot.


Overall- I think his great passes linger in our mind, but mixed in there were some questionable decisions. Once Draymond is back, Paul needs to come off the bench and I would keep his minutes to around 20.

[bdonovan]

Saying Chris Paul is a terrible decision maker is one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard on this site. He's literally one of if not the best decision making players of all time.

Those kind of blanket statements are not useful. I just posted a list of his poor decisions in running the offense. Deal in substance, not in vague generalities. Also we are talking about the Chris Paul of today not whatever your memory of him is.

[warriorfan]

I'm re-reviewing some of his passes:

* In one Offensive Possession, he hands it off to Klay beyond the arc and runs off. Huh? That doesn't sound like a good offensive idea. Klay is not the best ball handler and doesn't "create" that often. (Nor does he pass- so not going to get team offense)

* Again, passes to a Klay Thompson who is not set, and not positioned for an open shot. Klay of course hurls it. This time he makes it but it's not a good offensive set.

However, it does show that Paul has respect for GSW's established players, which I could not say of Durant, who both avoided passing to Klay and also didn't emphasize team offense.

* Another case where he drives against two defenders and gets blocked.

* Dishes it off to Klay behind the arc (without a set shot), Klay travels (Klay not the best ball handler)

* He does make a number of solid passes; penetrating and passing to Saric for 3 (misses it but it was a wide open shot/good-look), good at getting his own shot.


Overall- I think his great passes linger in our mind, but mixed in there were some questionable decisions. Once Draymond is back, Paul needs to come off the bench and I would keep his minutes to around 20.

to be honest it seems like an issue with him figuring things out with klay. there’s not many SG’s/SF who can’t really dribble at all nor pass. this is interesting because many people see klay thompson as this piece that can get put into any team and work seamlessly, maybe this will show it’s not quite the case

[tpols]

Anybody can cherry pick a couple possessions. Guy has 21 dimes and 4 TOVs on the year and those are discount numbers since the warriors are masters at the hockey assist and a lot of his passes led to another pass that finished the play. You've just got some wierd hatred nitpicking fetish for some of these guys.

Calling a Chris Paul a bad decision maker and Durant a scrub is just beyond moronic. You may as well tell us Yao Ming was short and Shaq is the best shooter ever. It's crazy were even debating this. :oldlol:

[Axe]

Just around two games into the season and we see a funny thread like this lmao.

Anyway, sorry to burst your bubble but dub dynasty is already over buddy. The warriors have become an aging team at this point.

[bdonovan]

to be honest it seems like an issue with him figuring things out with klay. there’s not many SG’s/SF who can’t really dribble at all nor pass. this is interesting because many people see klay thompson as this piece that can get put into any team and work seamlessly, maybe this will show it’s not quite the case

Yeah I agree that some of these errant decisions come from him needing to come up to speed on the Warrior's personnel. Pretty much all the rest know to wait for Klay to get positioned before throwing him the ball. Because he will ask for the ball all the time and try to score all the time otherwise, and it's usually not a good possession.

I think in one case he dishes to Kevon Looney attacking the basket but there were two defenders and Looney was blocked. He saw Looney come to the basket and thought he was cutting whereas Looney was just ready to crash the boards in case the expected Paul layup missed.

Overall I'm not sold on Paul as a starter at his age and defensive issues. They are also too small with 3 guards in the lineup.

[bdonovan]

Anybody can cherry pick a couple possessions. Guy has 21 dimes and 4 TOVs on the year and those are discount numbers since the warriors are masters at the hockey assist and a lot of his passes led to another pass that finished the play. You've just got some wierd hatred nitpicking fetish for some of these guys.

Calling a Chris Paul a bad decision maker and Durant a scrub is just beyond moronic. You may as well tell us Yao Ming was short and Shaq is the best shooter ever. It's crazy were even debating this. :oldlol:

I think if you can't have a sensible discussion about pros and cons of a player without getting emotional, you're not adding to the conversation. Sorry but you've done this a few too many times without adding to the discussion in a meaningful way. Added to my Ignore List.

[bdonovan]

Just around two games into the season and we see a funny thread like this lmao.

Anyway, sorry to burst your bubble but dub dynasty is already over buddy. The warriors have become an aging team at this point.

Hard to say. They have the same starting lineup that won the championship two seasons ago. The main bench loss was Jordan Poole but Jonathan Kuminga is capable of scoring as many points as Poole. He is the real deal, will be an All Star in this league, and is ready. It's not experimental like it was last year. They have a healthy GP2 back. And Chris Paul.

The players are two years older but Curry is one of the best conditioned athletes in the game. I expect him to age in Tom Brady did in the NFL. Klay and Dray are just 33.

Last year was a mess due to chemistry issues- no other reason. With Poole gone, that's resolved.

I wouldn't put them in the top 3 likely teams (Nuggets, Celtics, Bucks) but just after them.

All that said, you can't judge them until Draymond returns.

[Axe]

Hard to say. They have the same starting lineup that won the championship two seasons ago. The main bench loss was Jordan Poole but Jonathan Kuminga is capable of scoring as many points as Poole. He is the real deal, will be an All Star in this league, and is ready. It's not experimental like it was last year. They have a healthy GP2 back. And Chris Paul.

The players are two years older but Curry is one of the best conditioned athletes in the game. I expect him to age in Tom Brady did in the NFL. Klay and Dray are just 33.

Last year was a mess due to chemistry issues- no other reason. With Poole gone, that's resolved.

I wouldn't put them in the top 3 likely teams (Nuggets, Celtics, Bucks) but just after them.

All that said, you can't judge them until Draymond returns.
I get what you're saying but i still stand by my point. The core feels old and feeble now even if they remain capable. Not sure if they can outrun the rising young guns of other rival teams in their conference tho. I think they'll still be able to get a playoff or play-in spot later on but without a tall big to provide them some protection down under, it will remain an issue for them. They struggled against wemby earlier so for sure it's a sign. But yes, without that immature donkey on the floor, the team is going nowhere too. Something that op should realize as well.

[warriorfan]

Yeah I agree that some of these errant decisions come from him needing to come up to speed on the Warrior's personnel. Pretty much all the rest know to wait for Klay to get positioned before throwing him the ball. Because he will ask for the ball all the time and try to score all the time otherwise, and it's usually not a good possession.

I think in one case he dishes to Kevon Looney attacking the basket but there were two defenders and Looney was blocked. He saw Looney come to the basket and thought he was cutting whereas Looney was just ready to crash the boards in case the expected Paul layup missed.

Overall I'm not sold on Paul as a starter at his age and defensive issues. They are also too small with 3 guards in the lineup.

I’m in the same boat. I’m trying to stay optimistic but i’ve been skeptical from the get go about the fit, especially defensively. Warriors are super small and super old, not a good combo.

[NBAGOAT]

Making a swing pass to klay isn’t a bad decision. Klay is the one making a bad decision chucking it up. It’s just not a helpful pass either. Cp3s defense isn’t good but he’s better than Poole all the warriors were expecting from him. He should Definitely be finishing games vs smaller teams he’s one of their 5 best players. His main problem since end of last year is he’s not making shots but I think he’s too good for that to last even if his legs are old. He’ll make catch and shoot 3s and that midrange pull-up more consistently soon

[ShawkFactory]

Yes Chris Paul is very good at basketball. This is not news.

Regardless of his shortcomings in big moments, there has never been a team he’s been on that hasn’t been significantly better with him.

He and the Warriors are kind of a strange fit bit they’ll figure it out and will be formidable.

[hold this L]

I'm re-reviewing some of his passes:

* In one Offensive Possession, he hands it off to Klay beyond the arc and runs off. Huh? That doesn't sound like a good offensive idea. Klay is not the best ball handler and doesn't "create" that often. (Nor does he pass- so not going to get team offense)

* Again, passes to a Klay Thompson who is not set, and not positioned for an open shot. Klay of course hurls it. This time he makes it but it's not a good offensive set.

However, it does show that Paul has respect for GSW's established players, which I could not say of Durant, who both avoided passing to Klay and also didn't emphasize team offense.

* Another case where he drives against two defenders and gets blocked.

* Dishes it off to Klay behind the arc (without a set shot), Klay travels (Klay not the best ball handler)

* He does make a number of solid passes; penetrating and passing to Saric for 3 (misses it but it was a wide open shot/good-look), good at getting his own shot.


Overall- I think his great passes linger in our mind, but mixed in there were some questionable decisions. Once Draymond is back, Paul needs to come off the bench and I would keep his minutes to around 20.

Paul should be coming from the bench now. It makes absolutely zero sense for him to start, as a little dude that's a PG, when a defensive guru PF is injured. These two things do not match or make any sense. You have Klay guarding 3s and 4s (comical) and the offensive nuclear weapon being paired against the tallest guards on the team tiring him out, as a 35 year. What the f*ck happened to Steve Kerr? Where did his balls go? If anyone can start a go fund me and find them, please let me know. He has went from the guy that convinced Iggy to be the 6th man of the team to letting a guy who missed 2 1/2 years of basketball immediately jump back in the starting lineup of a team that was rolling, because he was too much of a pvssy to force him to slowly come back. Now he can't do it with CP either.

Also why is the guy that is super injury prone, 38 years old (will be 39 once the playoffs roll on), playing over 30 minutes? Once again, because Kerr has turned into a massive pvssy What the f*ck is he getting paid for when he no longer makes any tough decisions? Any of us goofball arm chair analysts on here can make suggestions, why is he no longer handling the tough decisions?

Also what are these rotations for Steph? Why do you treat one of the best players of all time like a role player? So you can "look" smart. Play his normal minutes, have him close, and then have the rest of the team figure out how to play with/without him. All of this posturing is just done so Kerr can feed his ego by rubbing one out to how smart he is. The rotation is just dipshit pseudo intellectual nonsense.


Paul looks pretty good but there's too many red flags that it might not work by summer of 24. CP was handling the ball every single possession for the last 6 minutes, nearly blew a 17 point lead. What happens when Dray is back? Because if Dray doesn't have the ball or doesn't set screens, he's essentially a massive liability on the floor. Is Steph going to just be a role player who sometimes gets the ball while we watch CP3/Draymond P&R to open something up? The team is obviously better than last season but I still see some issues that have moved on from last year as well.

[BarberSchool]

IMHO, Chris Small is one of the most overrated players in NBA history. In part, due to his outsized presence in media/commercials/etc.

I recall when this move was first announced, and I wondered why Warriors would do such a thing ….

….best I could come up with, is that the warriors think that maybe they can get Steph/Klay/Dray to regain their highest motivation/hunger, via osmosis from Chris desperation wanting to get his first. Like grafting Chris desperation for a ring onto dudes who already have several.

[bison]

Paul should be coming from the bench now.

Well seems like you’re gonna get your wish. With Draymond returning tonight, Chris Paul will be coming off the bench…for the first time in his career I’ve read? That can’t be right.

[Stephonit]

Everyone agrees then that the Warriors winning with Chris Paul would be something. Sounds like motivation.

[bdonovan]

Making a swing pass to klay isn’t a bad decision. Klay is the one making a bad decision chucking it up. It’s just not a helpful pass either. Cp3s defense isn’t good but he’s better than Poole all the warriors were expecting from him. He should Definitely be finishing games vs smaller teams he’s one of their 5 best players. His main problem since end of last year is he’s not making shots but I think he’s too good for that to last even if his legs are old. He’ll make catch and shoot 3s and that midrange pull-up more consistently soon

If it was a swing pass, yes, especially if Klay's feet are set. In this case, he's just dumping the ball of on Klay at the top of the key before anyone, let alone Klay is in the right position. Essentially "Here! Do something with the ball". Which Klay can't do consistently (but he will never turn down the opportunity to try).

He helped in the 4th quarter with the Rockets; he can create his own shot and takes some of the 4Q pressure of Steph.

[bdonovan]

Paul should be coming from the bench now. It makes absolutely zero sense for him to start, as a little dude that's a PG, when a defensive guru PF is injured. These two things do not match or make any sense. You have Klay guarding 3s and 4s (comical) and the offensive nuclear weapon being paired against the tallest guards on the team tiring him out, as a 35 year. What the f*ck happened to Steve Kerr? Where did his balls go? If anyone can start a go fund me and find them, please let me know. He has went from the guy that convinced Iggy to be the 6th man of the team to letting a guy who missed 2 1/2 years of basketball immediately jump back in the starting lineup of a team that was rolling, because he was too much of a pvssy to force him to slowly come back. Now he can't do it with CP either.

Also why is the guy that is super injury prone, 38 years old (will be 39 once the playoffs roll on), playing over 30 minutes? Once again, because Kerr has turned into a massive pvssy What the f*ck is he getting paid for when he no longer makes any tough decisions? Any of us goofball arm chair analysts on here can make suggestions, why is he no longer handling the tough decisions?

Also what are these rotations for Steph? Why do you treat one of the best players of all time like a role player? So you can "look" smart. Play his normal minutes, have him close, and then have the rest of the team figure out how to play with/without him. All of this posturing is just done so Kerr can feed his ego by rubbing one out to how smart he is. The rotation is just dipshit pseudo intellectual nonsense.


Paul looks pretty good but there's too many red flags that it might not work by summer of 24. CP was handling the ball every single possession for the last 6 minutes, nearly blew a 17 point lead. What happens when Dray is back? Because if Dray doesn't have the ball or doesn't set screens, he's essentially a massive liability on the floor. Is Steph going to just be a role player who sometimes gets the ball while we watch CP3/Draymond P&R to open something up? The team is obviously better than last season but I still see some issues that have moved on from last year as well.

I think Steve is enamored with his own "soft touch" approach to management. A good example of that was last year when Draymond and Poole fought, that Kerr 'suggested' Draymond make amends with Poole by taking him out to dinner and talking it through. Draymond never did.

The bad blood remained the whole year and infected the entire team. In a situation like that, you need to find a way for both players to resolve their differences- not just suggest things.

IDK maybe even though he respects Pop, having seeing more of a command and control style (Pop even admits he intimidates his players), Kerr wants to try a more peer-level type leadership style. But it has its limits.

CP3 came off the bench this last game with the Rockets. So that's progress. I have been impressed by Paul listening to players on the team, trying to pass to everyone. On the Clippers, he never passed to DeAndre Jordan. Some would argue that was warranted, but other times it was not, especially when he was all open. But it was playing favorites like that which I think would harm a team's chemistry. So far I haven't seen him do that on the Warriors. Cautiously optimistic.

[Xiao Yao You]

I think Steve is enamored with his own "soft touch" approach to management. A good example of that was last year when Draymond and Poole fought, that Kerr 'suggested' Draymond make amends with Poole by taking him out to dinner and talking it through. Draymond never did.

The bad blood remained the whole year and infected the entire team. In a situation like that, you need to find a way for both players to resolve their differences- not just suggest things.

IDK maybe even though he respects Pop, having seeing more of a command and control style (Pop even admits he intimidates his players), Kerr wants to try a more peer-level type leadership style. But it has its limits.

CP3 came off the bench this last game with the Rockets. So that's progress. I have been impressed by Paul listening to players on the team, trying to pass to everyone. On the Clippers, he never passed to DeAndre Jordan. Some would argue that was warranted, but other times it was not, especially when he was all open. But it was playing favorites like that which I think would harm a team's chemistry. So far I haven't seen him do that on the Warriors. Cautiously optimistic.

more like Phil that Popovich

[WhiteKyrie]

IMHO, Chris Small is one of the most overrated players in NBA history. In part, due to his outsized presence in media/commercials/etc.

I recall when this move was first announced, and I wondered why Warriors would do such a thing ….

….best I could come up with, is that the warriors think that maybe they can get Steph/Klay/Dray to regain their highest motivation/hunger, via osmosis from Chris desperation wanting to get his first. Like grafting Chris desperation for a ring onto dudes who already have several.
Who overrated CP3 all time? If anything he’s underrated. Arguably 2008 MVP. Injury issue aside was a cunt’s hair from dethroning the 2018 Warriors where they would’ve caked walked over the Cavs. After hitting a clutch as hell shot to win one of those games. Very good defender at his position. Better defender at the position than the only PGs ranked above him (Magic, Curry, Zeke)

[tpols]

Cp3 is +39 in the past 2 games since this thread. Blowout margins when he's on the court.

[999Guy]

I think Steve is enamored with his own "soft touch" approach to management. A good example of that was last year when Draymond and Poole fought, that Kerr 'suggested' Draymond make amends with Poole by taking him out to dinner and talking it through. Draymond never did.

The bad blood remained the whole year and infected the entire team. In a situation like that, you need to find a way for both players to resolve their differences- not just suggest things.

IDK maybe even though he respects Pop, having seeing more of a command and control style (Pop even admits he intimidates his players), Kerr wants to try a more peer-level type leadership style. But it has its limits.

CP3 came off the bench this last game with the Rockets. So that's progress. I have been impressed by Paul listening to players on the team, trying to pass to everyone. On the Clippers, he never passed to DeAndre Jordan. Some would argue that was warranted, but other times it was not, especially when he was all open. But it was playing favorites like that which I think would harm a team's chemistry. So far I haven't seen him do that on the Warriors. Cautiously optimistic.

Just shutup. He never passed to DeAndre Jordan? That was probably his biggest assist target after Redick.

[tpols]

Just shutup. He never passed to DeAndre Jordan? That was probably his biggest assist target after Redick.


For real... DeAndre Jordan was shooting the highest % in the whole NBA because Chris Paul used to feed him a never ending stream of alley oop dunks off the PnR.

[red1]

the midget might actually get a ring with this warriors squad


the nba gauntlet this year is no joke he'll have to earn it

[FultzNationRISE]

Cp3 is +39 in the past 2 games since this thread. Blowout margins when he's on the court.


Weve seen this kind of regular season turnaround every new team hes gone to.

Dont be a prisoner of the moment. History suggests a choke will happen. It may not, but the history points to it.

[hold this L]

Weve seen this kind of regular season turnaround every new team hes gone to.

Dont be a prisoner of the moment. History suggests a choke will happen. It may not, but the history points to it.

His role is to ensure the bench doesn't tank, he doesn't even need to close games. If he's fit and ok with that, it won't be up to him either way.

[tontoz]

For real... DeAndre Jordan was shooting the highest % in the whole NBA because Chris Paul used to feed him a never ending stream of alley oop dunks off the PnR.

Seriously i wonder if bdonovan ever watches games. They were called Lob City for a reason.

[tpols]

Weve seen this kind of regular season turnaround every new team hes gone to.

Dont be a prisoner of the moment. History suggests a choke will happen. It may not, but the history points to it.


As a top scoring option Paul falls short of other greats that knocked him out. Main thing is injury though. He seems to always wear down as the season goes on and then gets hurt. That's why the Dubs should just rest him a lot. They'll make the playoffs either way.

[dazzer87]

the midget might actually get a ring with this warriors squad


the nba gauntlet this year is no joke he'll have to earn it

Lmao….please GSW not winning no ring this yr….:roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

Lmao….please GSW not winning no ring this yr….:roll:

odds are certainly not in their favor but no one will want to play them in a series

[tontoz]

Lmao….please GSW not winning no ring this yr….:roll:

Did you think they would win a ring two years ago?

[Axe]

the midget might actually get a ring with this warriors squad


the nba gauntlet this year is no joke he'll have to earn it
Well, they're likely to make the playoffs as long as klay is still around lmao.

[tpols]

13 dimes with 0 turnovers off the bench last night. I think they said it was the most assists without a TOV in warrior history. :bowdown:



https://youtu.be/4ZHUpjYD6Bo?si=amvYEHZrN-NSTU31

He's got great chemistry with this Saric guy.

[NBAGOAT]

his shot might be gone but I still think it can improve. Even last year he had average efficiency and was a good midrange shooter. Bench unit of cp3, payton, moody, kuminga, saric is best in the league. Crazy to say but warriors bigger problem might be their starting lineup now if they want to win a title. It'll always be good with steph but he has no all stars around him(had 2 in 2022). not worried about draymond but Wiggins hasnt looked good, klay is older not as impactful.

[tpols]

his shot might be gone but I still think it can improve. Even last year he had average efficiency and was a good midrange shooter. Bench unit of cp3, payton, moody, kuminga, saric is best in the league. Crazy to say but warriors bigger problem might be their starting lineup now if they want to win a title. It'll always be good with steph but he has no all stars around him(had 2 in 2022). not worried about draymond but Wiggins hasnt looked good, klay is older not as impactful.


I wouldn't say his shot is gone. Defenders still play him crazy close which is why he's gotten so many warrior role players amazing looks. Unlike dray who gets spoon fed assists from Curry and Klay, Paul keeps finding the "other guys" with great simple passes. And that's unlocking a new team ceiling level.

[WhiteKyrie]

I wouldn't say his shot is gone. Defenders still play him crazy close which is why he's gotten so many warrior role players amazing looks. Unlike dray who gets spoon fed assists from Curry and Klay, Paul keeps finding the "other guys" with great simple passes. And that's unlocking a new team ceiling level.

Best post Isiah point guard … ever

[3ba11]

But he isn't capable of playing good in the big playoff series anymore - too old - we've seen in that last couple years where he falls off a cliff in the big playoff series.

I also don't think the chemistry or team would be championship caliber if he was starting or one of the main guys.. Curry and Klay aren't enough supporting talent to win for a ball-dominator like Nash, CP3, Westbrook, Harden, or any player like that.. None of these guys won or even got close as the best or 2nd best player on teams that had great talent.

A 6'9" version of these guys needs a super-team or Kareem to win, so these shorter guys would need even more than that.. It's just the nature of ball-domination - it's an inferior way of playing - all the dynasties in history were high assist teams that moved the ball, such as the Spurs, Warriors, 90's Bulls, 00's Lakers, or 80's Celtics and Lakers (Lakers were #1 in assists every year)..

Accordingly, I've never respected guys like CP3, Nash and the like, unless they were in a lesser tertiary role like CP3 is now... that's the only way a team can be a champion with these guys on the team - in a tertiary role only.. if they're the main guy, the team will collapse in the playoffs guaranteed - that's what history says

[tpols]

Paul isnt dominating the ball.

https://i.postimg.cc/7Z6rmkWs/Screenshot-20231104-155548-Chrome.jpg

Look how far down the list he is in time of possession for point guards. He's # 17... below average. Yet he's sporting a 9:1 assist to turnover ratio and 2nd in total assists on the year in the whole NBA.

You haven't been watching the games. He making tons of quick reads with little dribbling. Tons of dimes with no or minimal dribbling.

[tpols]

Warriors are also 4th in team assist rank in the NBA @ 29 assists per game. The 72 win Bulls averaged 25 assists per game 5th rank assist team.

So the Warriors are factually moving the ball better than MJs Bulls with Chris Paul on the team.

[NBAGOAT]

Paul isnt dominating the ball.

https://i.postimg.cc/7Z6rmkWs/Screenshot-20231104-155548-Chrome.jpg

Look how far down the list he is in time of possession for point guards. He's # 17... below average. Yet he's sporting a 9:1 assist to turnover ratio and 2nd in total assists on the year in the whole NBA.

You haven't been watching the games. He making tons of quick reads with little dribbling. Tons of dimes with no or minimal dribbling.

Yep the only time he dominates the ball and he’s still moving it well making quick decisions is when the warriors play their bench. That bench is obliterating teams and winning them games rn

Edit: Nash’s teams also never collapsed. Just ran into the spurs big 3 and was unlucky with injuries. Even accounting for defense, nash doesn’t really have a bad playoff series

[3ba11]

Paul isnt dominating the ball.

https://i.postimg.cc/7Z6rmkWs/Screenshot-20231104-155548-Chrome.jpg

Look how far down the list he is in time of possession for point guards. He's # 17... below average. Yet he's sporting a 9:1 assist to turnover ratio and 2nd in total assists on the year in the whole NBA.

You haven't been watching the games. He making tons of quick reads with little dribbling. Tons of dimes with no or minimal dribbling.


Anything over 5 minutes is dominating the ball and 6 minutes for a bench player that doesn't even play 30 MPG is definitely ball-domination

But again, it's fine for now because he's a tertiary option - he isn't the best or 2nd best player on the team where the team ceiling is lower because of his brand of ball.. As a tertiary option, the team ceiling is still very high but if he was the top guy, the team would collapse at some point in the season or playoffs.

[warriorfan]

Anything over 5 minutes is dominating the ball and 6 minutes for a bench player that doesn't even play 30 MPG is crazy ball-domination

Ball domination isn’t ideal but it does make more sense for a second unit with sub optimal talent and trying to raise their floor. However when with a talented first unit it definitely lowers the ceiling and doesn’t maximize the potential of the players on the team.

[3ba11]

Ball domination isn’t ideal but it does make more sense for a second unit with sub optimal talent and trying to raise their floor. However when with a talented first unit it definitely lowers the ceiling and doesn’t maximize the potential of the players on the team.


Yes CP3 is great as the 4th or 5th best player on the team.. In that capacity, the Warriors will excel with CP3... But again, he isn't capable of this in a big playoff series anymore so what you're seeing right now is moot...

And of course, if CP3 was the top guy on the team, the team ceiling wouldn't be very high at all

[warriorfan]

Yes CP3 is great as the 4th or 5th best player on the team.. In that capacity, the Warriors will excel with CP3... But again, he isn't capable of this in a big playoff series anymore so what you're seeing right now is moot...

And of course, if CP3 was the top guy on the team, the team ceiling wouldn't be very high at all

Agreed.

[Manny98]

CP3 finally bout to get his ring :banana:

https://media.giphy.com/media/gggAO9Jh4pPDIQzxGu/giphy.gif

[Xiao Yao You]

CP3 finally bout to get his ring :banana:

https://media.giphy.com/media/gggAO9Jh4pPDIQzxGu/giphy.gif

:facepalm

[tpols]

41 dimes to 6 TOVs in the current 4 game win streak. Game high by far +27 last night.

He shooting like shit and still dominating off the bench.

[ArbitraryWater]

Paul right now is pretty funny.

Cant hit shit but still giving out dimes like crazy.

1/4 and 9 assists through 3 quarters right now.