So Austin Reaves is now coming off the bench?

[1987_Lakers]

Move was made last night despite playing 30+ minutes. All-star hopes looking damaged. I see why the move was made, having D-Lo & Reaves in your starting lineup makes for some weak defense, maybe Pelinka can trade D-Lo at the deadline

[bladefd]

Would be nice if we can find a taker for d'lo. We have a deep frontcourt so we can probably attach someone with d'lo (or Vincent) to upgrade our starting pg. We still have our future 1st round pick we could add and a couple rookies if anyone wants. Only people I would not want to move would be AD, LeBron, and Vanderbilt. Anyone else, I have no issue if it can bring us a good starting point-guard.

I don't mind if nobody wants d'lo and we could bring him off the bench.

[Real Men Wear Green]

The possibly third best player on an average team is not going to make allstar.

[Kblaze8855]

There was never a reason to talk about this guy at the rate people on here do. He’s a good young player. There are a lot of them. Most just don’t play next to Lebron and get caught up in that troll/hater back and forth bullshit.

[FultzNationRISE]

The move makes sense but the real mistake was re-signing Russell. Unless they somehow find a way to trade him for value, which would surprise me.

To this day I still dont understand the Lakers’ beef with Schroeder. They let him go twice despite clearly being better with him than without him. It’s not like they had some other big move to make instead. They just let him go for nothing, twice.

Management failing Lebron again, what else is new.


Edit: Nevermind, I guess the first time they did have a “big move” in mind. Russell Westbrook :ohwell:

[tpols]

Getting rid of shroeder was one of the stupidest things they did. Elite defender, picks guys up full court with energy, and now on the Raptors he's one of the best assist guys in the league, with good scoring and 40% 3pt shooting (his "weakness").

Even when LA won in the bubble they had rondo doing the same stuff... elite defense, passing, and somehow 3pt shooting.

Reaves is nice Manu lite but pairing him with dlo is weak for defense even though he isn't bad at it. He's just not a full court pick up guy and dlo is a turnstile.

[ShawkFactory]

There was never a reason to talk about this guy at the rate people on here do. He’s a good young player. There are a lot of them. Most just don’t play next to Lebron and get caught up in that troll/hater back and forth bullshit.

Is he discernably better than Franz Wagner or Josh Giddey? If at all.

I feel like they're on the same level.

[FultzNationRISE]

Is he discernably better than Franz Wagner or Josh Giddey? If at all.

I feel like they're on the same level.


I think the perception is Reaves is a better, or at least potentially better three point shooter than both, altho I dont know what the numbers say. He might not be. Other than that I think theyre pretty comparable.

[sdot_thadon]

Apparently they can't play him and Reeves together and Dlo has big impact potential but he's just a boneheaded player. If they don't play him his trade value will tank tho so maybe that's why he's still starting. Maybe Ham is just giving it time to see what works, he's figuring this out in real time just like we are.

[hateraid]

#austinsanity

[3ba11]

Move was made last night despite playing 30+ minutes. All-star hopes looking damaged. I see why the move was made, having D-Lo & Reaves in your starting lineup makes for some weak defense, maybe Pelinka can trade D-Lo at the deadline


What a joke - so now it's D-Lo's ball-dominance and not Lebron's that limits Reaves?

D-Lo is a PG and supposed to dominate the ball a bit - Lebron is the one that has abnormal ball-dominance for his size/position, which imposes spot-up roles that limits teammates, chemistry, strategic capacity/coaching, and ultimately, team ceiling/Finals record or capacity for perennial favorite status (dynasty).. all of this is confirmed by the historical record.

[ShawkFactory]

What a joke - so now it's D-Lo's ball-dominance and not Lebron's that limits Reaves?

D-Lo is a PG and supposed to dominate the ball a bit - Lebron is the one that has abnormal ball-dominance for his size/position, which imposes spot-up roles that limits teammates, chemistry, strategic capacity/coaching, and ultimately, team ceiling/Finals record or capacity for perennial favorite status (dynasty).. all of this is confirmed by the historical record.

He mentioned the team being poor defensively. Not anything you are talking about :lol

[ShawkFactory]

I think the perception is Reaves is a better, or at least potentially better three point shooter than both, altho I dont know what the numbers say. He might not be. Other than that I think theyre pretty comparable.

Yea they’re different players. Reaves is a bit better as a playmaker and shooter but Franz is a better slasher/finisher and is better defensively. Giddey is a better playmaker and has a smoother handle and better in transition. But again Reaves is a better shooter.

All similar level. No one is calling the other two all star type guys yet though is the point.

[sdot_thadon]

He mentioned the team being poor defensively. Not anything you are talking about :lol

Yeah that was way outta left field, 3ball you're drunk, time to go home.

[Axe]

So much for the braindead retards hyping him up.

[SATAN]

He's regaining his confidence. Good to see. Couldn't care less if he comes off the bench. Whatever works (pairing him and DLo in the backcourt has been horrific this season). He plays well with Rui, had a real nice assist to Hayes for the slam last game. Just have him come off the bench and finish games if he's playing well or something. Still find it amusing the NBA YouTube channel published a 1 hour long AR-15 highlight video when the hype was at its' peak.

I see more rotation issues rearing their ugly head when Vando and Gabe return.

[bladefd]

Yea they’re different players. Reaves is a bit better as a playmaker and shooter but Franz is a better slasher/finisher and is better defensively. Giddey is a better playmaker and has a smoother handle and better in transition. But again Reaves is a better shooter.

All similar level. No one is calling the other two all star type guys yet though is the point.

Reaves has to play with a guard who can defend IMO. I would like the Lakers to try a Reaves/Prince backcourt. I saw some potential yesterday with that in the 4th. You can start with Reaves on the bench then close out games with Reaves/Prince.

[Xiao Yao You]

Reaves has to play with a guard who can defend IMO. I would like the Lakers to try a Reaves/Prince backcourt. I saw some potential yesterday with that in the 4th. You can start with Reaves on the bench then close out games with Reaves/Prince.

Prince is a guard?

[bladefd]

He's regaining his confidence. Good to see. Couldn't care less if he comes off the bench. Whatever works (pairing him and DLo in the backcourt has been horrific this season). He plays well with Rui, had a real nice assist to Hayes for the slam last game. Just have him come off the bench and finish games if he's playing well or something. Still find it amusing the NBA YouTube channel published a 1 hour long AR-15 highlight video when the hype was at its' peak.

I see more rotation issues rearing their ugly head when Vando and Gabe return.

Gabe or d'lo have to go in a trade. You try to move D'lo first, but I don't see takers for him. Vincent is on a cheap contract & will be easier to move. As I said, you attach a 1st along with some combination of Wood/Reddish/Hayes/Christie/Schifano to it depending on the trading partner. I would seriously consider attaching Reaves too for the right player.

Vando/Rui you change based on the matchup. Each brings a different dimension, and this team has room for both. Vando brings defense/hustle/versatility & Rui brings offense/physicality/range.

[bladefd]

Prince is a guard?

No, but he can due to his strengths. Position-less basketball.

[90sgoat]

Would Lakers and Mavs do a Kyrie for Reaves + Hachimura?

I would have said yes from Mavs point of view, but Kyrie is playing pretty damn great basketball. If Mavs are too go far in the playoffs, then they need that kind of star who can win games with no help from Luka.

On the other hand, having Reaves and Hachimura gives you the future for the next many years and you could trade Tim Hardaway and Josh Green, which put together should be a decent package to find a rebounder and strong center.

Decisions, decisions.

[Xiao Yao You]

Would Lakers and Mavs do a Kyrie for Reaves + Hachimura?

I would have said yes from Mavs point of view, but Kyrie is playing pretty damn great basketball. If Mavs are too go far in the playoffs, then they need that kind of star who can win games with no help from Luka.

On the other hand, having Reaves and Hachimura gives you the future for the next many years and you could trade Tim Hardaway and Josh Green, which put together should be a decent package to find a rebounder and strong center.

Decisions, decisions.

getting rid of Kyrie is an easy decision if someone will take him. Lakers might be stupid enough to do it

[tontoz]

I was surprised the Lakers resigned DLo. I didn't get it then and still don't.

I am basically indifferent to Reaves. He certainly came up big last year but it remains to be seen if he can play that well year after year.

I can certainly understand that playing Reaves and DLo together isn't going to work.

[Xiao Yao You]

I was surprised the Lakers resigned DLo. I didn't get it then and still don't.

I am basically indifferent to Reaves. He certainly came up big last year but it remains to be seen if he can play that well year after year.

I can certainly understand that playing Reaves and DLo together isn't going to work.

nothing is surprising from that front office. They cut Zubac! The fact that they took him off the Wolves hands to begin with especially after his first stint there says it all

[Full Court]

At some point, Lebron will sit out for a while injured, and then Reaves will be back to starting and be a big scorer.

[kawhileonard2]

Should have kept Westbrook.

[bladefd]

I was surprised the Lakers resigned DLo. I didn't get it then and still don't.

I am basically indifferent to Reaves. He certainly came up big last year but it remains to be seen if he can play that well year after year.

I can certainly understand that playing Reaves and DLo together isn't going to work.

Lakers had no alternative due to being over the cap. It was either sign D'lo using his bird rights or lose him for nothing.

[red1]

There was never a reason to talk about this guy at the rate people on here do. He’s a good young player. There are a lot of them. Most just don’t play next to Lebron and get caught up in that troll/hater back and forth bullshit.

we love reaves because he's a high IQ guy that can handle the ball and make plays


rondo used to be that guy and thats why lebron loved playing with him and now reaves is that guy

[red1]

reaves is a godsend after watching all of these knuckleheads trying to handle the ball and make plays


even now I cringe when I see dlo bringing it up

[red1]

lakers dont win that bubble ring without rondo. or dwight for that matter because of how he fouled the shit out jokic and got away with it


you're always going to have knuckleheads on every team - that team had a momentum-killing knucklehead in kuzma and now they have a knucklead in dlo


I appreciate guys like rondo and reaves because they keep the ball out of those guys hands :oldlol:

[FultzNationRISE]

we love reaves because he's a high IQ guy that can handle the ball and make plays


rondo used to be that guy and thats why lebron loved playing with him and now reaves is that guy

Yeah Reaves is basically a homeless man’s Lebron, which is why it makes sense to bring him off the bench on a team that already has actual Lebron.

Considering his age, some impressive performances last year, and his run with Team USA this summer I think it was reasonable to expect him to become a big time guy this year. Which he hasnt really done altho he’s still one of the more useful guys to have on the court if their shot isnt falling, because of his general game savvy and his chemistry with LeAlpha. He’s a guy whose value is a little above whatever his numbers are.

[red1]

Yeah Reaves is basically a homeless man’s Lebron, which is why it makes sense to bring him off the bench on a team that already has actual Lebron.

Considering his age, some impressive performances last year, and his run with Team USA this summer I think it was reasonable to expect him to become a big time guy this year. Which he hasnt really done altho he’s still one of the more useful guys to have on the court if their shot isnt falling, because of his general game savvy and his chemistry with LeAlpha. He’s a guy whose value is a little above whatever his numbers are.

he's the secret weapon


when they took out the warriors second round last year he didnt hit a shot in the beginning of the series because he didnt have legs running around chasing curry and their perimeter guys


by the end of the series he was taking them apart with his playmaking just like lebron


when they have lebron and AD and reaves plus their veteran wing guys rui/prince/reddish on the court - thats a gritty squad of hoopers


they can win the ring

[red1]

the nuggets out-executed the lakers at the end of games and were the better team a few months ago but the lakers were right there with the best team in the league and would have beaten either ECF team


thats despite a nightmare season


the lakers are going to be the team this year that no one in the west wants to play :oldlol:

[Jasper]

The possibly third best player on an average team is not going to make allstar.

he probably isn't even third best

[Full Court]

he probably isn't even third best

He might be second best behind AD.

[GOBB]

There was never a reason to talk about this guy at the rate people on here do. He’s a good young player. There are a lot of them. Most just don’t play next to Lebron and get caught up in that troll/hater back and forth bullshit.

Hilarious. Bunch of bad gms here. Would’ve paid Reaves $20+mil per year too.

[FultzNationRISE]

Hilarious. Bunch of bad gms here. Would’ve paid Reaves $20+mil per year too.

Is 20M supposed to be some kind of huge commitment in this day and age?

Evan Fournier makes 18M. So does Tim Hardaway Jr.

Reaves is, uhh, probably gonna eclipse those guys.

Given his age and the potential he showed at times last year, 12M is a steal. In this league guys have gotten near max contracts in similar circumstances. Take away Lebron and AD’s touches, you dont think Reaves could make “Timberwolves Andrew Wiggins Impact” for a shitty team? Guys get max deals for doing that.

Youre blowing your load way too early in a rush to validate a position. Youre using a 9 game sample size to make a judgement about a four year contract .

Altho weve seen this movie before.

“Hey Cavs fans, this is how you make a big move.”

[ImKobe]

There was never a reason to talk about this guy at the rate people on here do. He’s a good young player. There are a lot of them. Most just don’t play next to Lebron and get caught up in that troll/hater back and forth bullshit.

He averaged 18/3/6 73%TS post-ASB last year (with Bron out for a lot of it) & 17/4/5 62%TS in the Playoffs. Not only did was he efficient on a consistent basis but he also won us a lot of games in crunch time. There aren't that many players who can do what he does. They benched him because of fit, not because he's not better than Dlo. The bench needed a spark and it allows him to play his game more. He's easily the 3rd best player on the squad. Putting him in a Manu type role where he plays 25-30+ minutes off the bench & closes games isn't a knock on him, it just helps the team more.

[GOBB]

Is 20M supposed to be some kind of huge commitment in this day and age?

Evan Fournier makes 18M. So does Tim Hardaway Jr.

Reaves is, uhh, probably gonna eclipse those guys.

Given his age and the potential he showed at times last year, 12M is a steal. In this league guys have gotten near max contracts in similar circumstances. Take away Lebron and AD’s touches, you dont think Reaves could make “Timberwolves Andrew Wiggins Impact” for a shitty team? Guys get max deals for doing that.

Youre blowing your load way too early in a rush to validate a position. Youre using a 9 game sample size to make a judgement about a four year contract .

Altho weve seen this movie before.

“Hey Cavs fans, this is how you make a big move.”

The irony in you saying “sample size” is hilarious. That was my entire argument in the thread where folks said Reaves was underpaid/got a cheap deal. When I expressed his sample size given age, what he actually did in the NBA is par for the course for what he was paid! Now fast forward he’s not having the start or picking up where he left off when he had a ton of Reaves fans. And I’m being told relax, sample size? Lol and I have nothing against the player. I have everything against the logic some here possess when they catch a boner over a player and run to ridiculous nonsense. The guys you mentioned have done ENOUGH to warrant the payday. Yanno “sample size”. So for you to mention them and make a weird argument as to say Reaves will eclipses them ia hilarious. Call me when he does it? Then I’ll get on board. Until then stfu with your bad gm take. Reaves got paid good for a guy at his age and experience. Stop letting your boners dictate the pay. Prostitute would love you bozos.

Like I can’t stop laughing at “blowing your load to validate your position” when that’s what you Austin Reaves fanboys have done hahaha “12mil is a steal rofflecopters omfg”.

Keep the comedy rolling…

[FultzNationRISE]

The irony in you saying “sample size” is hilarious. That was my entire argument in the thread where folks said Reaves was underpaid/got a cheap deal. When I expressed his sample size given age, what he actually did in the NBA is par for the course for what he was paid! Now fast forward he’s not having the start or picking up where he left off when he had a ton of Reaves fans. And I’m being told relax, sample size? Lol and I have nothing against the player. I have everything against the logic some here possess when they catch a boner over a player and run to ridiculous nonsense. The guys you mentioned have done ENOUGH to warrant the payday. Yanno “sample size”. So for you to mention them and make a weird argument as to say Reaves will eclipses them ia hilarious. Call me when he does it? Then I’ll get on board. Until then stfu with your bad gm take. Reaves got paid good for a guy at his age and experience. Stop letting your boners dictate the pay. Prostitute would love you bozos.

Like I can’t stop laughing at “blowing your load to validate your position” when that’s what you Austin Reaves fanboys have done hahaha “12mil is a steal rofflecopters omfg”.

Keep the comedy rollingÂ…

I honestly dont even know who you guys are referring to that’s been suggesting Reaves was a future top tier 1st team elite player or anything or the sort. Certainly wasnt me, and I dont even recall others saying it.

I just think it’s weird you see Reaves getting “Evan Fournier money” as some kind of laughable misstep the Lakers would have made. He’s clearly gonna be a good player despite a recent shooting slump. And the sample size of two months plus a playoff run last year plus a strong FIBA performance this summer is clearly more significant than the 9 game start to the season youre trumpeting.

Youre box score watching a guy and salivating at the chance to declare him overrated due to a shooting slump (not even bad overall play just some off shooting nights) across nine games.

ItÂ’s just a weird prisoner of the moment rush to flex. In a year from now you will most likely be ducking this thread like the plague.

[GOBB]

I honestly dont even know who you guys are referring to that’s been suggesting Reaves was a future top tier 1st team elite player or anything or the sort. Certainly wasnt me, and I dont even recall others saying it.

I just think it’s weird you see Reaves getting “Evan Fournier money” as some kind of laughable misstep the Lakers would have made. He’s clearly gonna be a good player despite a recent shooting slump. And the sample size of two months plus a playoff run last year plus a strong FIBA performance this summer is clearly more significant than the 9 game start to the season youre trumpeting.

Youre box score watching a guy and salivating at the chance to declare him overrated due to a shooting slump (not even bad overall play just some off shooting nights) across nine games.

ItÂ’s just a weird prisoner of the moment rush to flex. In a year from now you will most likely be ducking this thread like the plague.

Declare him overrated? You’re making up things. When all you could do is head to the thread tittles Dillion Brooks for this and Reaves got that for my stance. I made a comment they when he got paid it was a FAIR deal given the guy has a small sample size to be rewarded way more bucks than he received. That’s a fact. Last season he was 24yrs old and caught a fan base mainly due to him being WHITE. And some wanting a white hooper who can ball to be their guy. I myself don’t care if you’re black white or Naruto. Zero relevance with my position. A guy 24yrs old having a solid year nothing more nothing less was rewarded a fair deal. He was given a thanks now let’s see if you outperform it deal. Others in the thread I cited and BUMPED said otherwise. Did you reply to that thread? Let me check. If you did and you typed this? Yiiiiiiikes. If you didn’t? Then cool. This is ISH where knee jerk reactions take place. Funny part is he’s a solid player. No issue with his game. But his fans are moronic when i said he was given a fair deal where they felt he should’ve got more and somehow his deal is a “steal”.


This thread will be around next year 2024. See you there bud




Oh and you keep referring to the 8gm sample size. When Reaves sample size of getting more than he was offered was NO DIFFERENT. You the idiot want the guy to be paid MORE than what he got having done NOT ENOUGH to warrant such a deal? The irony here. You’re basically proving my point here kid. Thank you.

[ImKobe]

This AR-15 hate is weird af. He had a whole post-ASB run in the RS (with Lebron injured) + 3 rounds of the Playoffs, where he balled out consistently. 6 bad RS games in a 10-game stretch means **** all for a player of his tier. 12-14 mil a year is barely starter-level money in this NBA market. Even if he's slightly worse and never replicates what he did in the POs last year it's a good signing.

People here are treating this like he got the Jordan Poole bag and completely fell off. Smh.

[FireDavidKahn]

This AR-15 hate is weird af. He had a whole post-ASB run in the RS (with Lebron injured) + 3 rounds of the Playoffs, where he balled out consistently. 6 bad RS games in a 10-game stretch means **** all for a player of his tier. 12-14 mil a year is barely starter-level money in this NBA market. Even if he's slightly worse and never replicates what he did in the POs last year it's a good signing.

People here are treating this like he got the Jordan Poole bag and completely fell off. Smh.

People don't have a problem with Reaves perse, it's more of the ridiculous over the top hype he got over the off season. People honestly tried to argue he has all star potential:roll:

He is a great role player and there isn't anything wrong with that. He is great in his role.