I Hate Harden

[8Ball]

Never had 1 great playoff series.
Quit his way out of 3 teams in 3 years, demanding trades each and every time.
Foul merchant during his prime.
Took workout lessons from Shaq during the offseason, always out of shape.
I am sure the Clippers will work their way out of this and get better but I am enjoying the losses so far.

That is all.

[highwhey]

you should watch dallas games then, i hear they have a broadcaster that loves to meltdown about harden more than calling the mavs games.

[8Ball]

you should watch dallas games then, i hear they have a broadcaster that loves to meltdown about harden more than calling the mavs games.

It was music to my ears.

[Smook A.]

Never had 1 great playoff series.
He's had a lot of blunders but to say he's never had 1 great playoff series is really reaching

with the Thunder:
2012 1st round vs Mavs: 18/5/4 on 50%
2012 WCF vs Spurs: 18/5/4 on 49%

with the Rockets:
2015 1st round vs Mavs: 28/8/4 on 47%
2015 WCF vs Warriors: 28/8/6 on 47%
2017 1st round vs Thunder: 33/7/6/2 on 42%
2019 2nd round vs Warriors: 35/7/6/2 on 45%
2020 1st round vs Thunder: 30/8/6/2 on 47%
2020 2nd round vs Lakers: 29/7/5/ on 50%

He's had a lot of good games in the playoffs outside of those series too (ex: 41 pts on 58% vs Warriors in game 1 of the 2018 WCF) but he always had 1-3 games where he shot under 40% or 30% which hurt his overall averages for the series. His problem in the playoffs was always inconsistency and not stepping up in pressure situations.

[elementally morale]

Welcome to the club.

The last time Harden was a useful player for anything else than his own purpose is when he was with OKC. Even then I didn't like the guy but what he became afterwards is something I find THE most unwatchable brand of basketball ever. Effective? To a point. Not really effective. Effective enough (sadly) for him to be able to continue. Giannis is boring, sure. But he fights and IS effective. Not a nuisance as a person by any means. There are many players very hard on the eye. Many who are not likable. But Harden is all this at once. I rarely talk about him, almost never. I rarely talk about guys whose games are boring to me or whom I don't like. But Harden is almost everything that is wrong with US basketball and almost nothing that is great about US basketball.

[FultzNationRISE]

Psshhh, bandwagoners.

I was hating Harden BEFORE it was cool :rockon::lol

[Carbine]

Welcome to the club.

The last time Harden was a useful player for anything else than his own purpose is when he was with OKC. Even then I didn't like the guy but what he became afterwards is something I find THE most unwatchable brand of basketball ever. Effective? To a point. Not really effective. Effective enough (sadly) for him to be able to continue. Giannis is boring, sure. But he fights and IS effective. Not a nuisance as a person by any means. There are many players very hard on the eye. Many who are not likable. But Harden is all this at once. I rarely talk about him, almost never. I rarely talk about guys whose games are boring to me or whom I don't like. But Harden is almost everything that is wrong with US basketball and almost nothing that is great about US basketball.


He was the best player that almost took out the Warriors with KD. That is a feather in his cap and certainly counts as "something"

[jayfan]

Psshhh, bandwagoners.

I was hating Harden BEFORE it was cool :rockon::lol

Same. Way before.


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[elementally morale]

He was the best player that almost took out the Warriors with KD. That is a feather in his cap and certainly counts as "something"

He is not a 'bad' basketball player, especially given the application of the rules. He is not great either. Not bad though. The brand of basketball he plays is awful and on top of it, boring. But he is the best player I've seen playing in such a boring manner an originally beautiful but hacked and raped version of the game.

[GOBB]

Took me awhile to get onboard of the James club but I’m here. Never too late to join James is a talented stooge. Such a loser

[SATAN]

I once didn't like him but it's all entertaining as hell + the Clippers look like the most desperate team in the league.

[8Ball]

He's had a lot of blunders but to say he's never had 1 great playoff series is really reaching

with the Thunder:
2012 1st round vs Mavs: 18/5/4 on 50%
2012 WCF vs Spurs: 18/5/4 on 49%

with the Rockets:
2015 1st round vs Mavs: 28/8/4 on 47%
2015 WCF vs Warriors: 28/8/6 on 47%
2017 1st round vs Thunder: 33/7/6/2 on 42%
2019 2nd round vs Warriors: 35/7/6/2 on 45%
2020 1st round vs Thunder: 30/8/6/2 on 47%
2020 2nd round vs Lakers: 29/7/5/ on 50%

He's had a lot of good games in the playoffs outside of those series too (ex: 41 pts on 58% vs Warriors in game 1 of the 2018 WCF) but he always had 1-3 games where he shot under 40% or 30% which hurt his overall averages for the series. His problem in the playoffs was always inconsistency and not stepping up in pressure situations.

When you average out those games it looks like he had great series. But he never really did when you look at the game logs.


2015 WCF: Game 3 already down 0-2 he goes 3-16 for 17 points and loses.
Game 5 he went 2-11 for 14 points in the closeout.

You also listed him playing well in the 1st round which I don't really count. The stakes and opponents aren't high enough to call it a "great series".


He had a chance to really shape his image in 2018 against those Warriors but unfortunately in game 7 he just started bricking 3s nonstop.

[Full Court]

He's had a lot of blunders but to say he's never had 1 great playoff series is really reaching

with the Thunder:
2012 1st round vs Mavs: 18/5/4 on 50%
2012 WCF vs Spurs: 18/5/4 on 49%

with the Rockets:
2015 1st round vs Mavs: 28/8/4 on 47%
2015 WCF vs Warriors: 28/8/6 on 47%
2017 1st round vs Thunder: 33/7/6/2 on 42%
2019 2nd round vs Warriors: 35/7/6/2 on 45%
2020 1st round vs Thunder: 30/8/6/2 on 47%
2020 2nd round vs Lakers: 29/7/5/ on 50%

He's had a lot of good games in the playoffs outside of those series too (ex: 41 pts on 58% vs Warriors in game 1 of the 2018 WCF) but he always had 1-3 games where he shot under 40% or 30% which hurt his overall averages for the series. His problem in the playoffs was always inconsistency and not stepping up in pressure situations.

True. Thanks for educated OP. He doesn't know much about basketball.

[tontoz]

Harden's record in elimination games is really horrible. I don't have the stats but I know they aren't pretty.

[8Ball]

Harden's record in elimination games is really horrible. I don't have the stats but I know they aren't pretty.

Stat muse: James Harden has averaged 22.8 points, 5.9 assists and 5.3 rebounds in 23 games in elimination games in his career on 42%.

Its bad.

[Full Court]

Harden's a notorious choker.


But he never came close to choking as hard as LeShrivel did in 2011.

[Phoenix]

There was a point some people were saying he was a better scorer than Jordan/Kobe and should be ranked higher than D-Wade among shooting guards. :oldlol:

[WhiteKyrie]

I honestly have enjoyed watching him at various times. But being the diva malcontent he’s been and more egregious the level of playoff chokes time and time again since the 2012 Finals, and the total lack of defense? I’m good

[Druckenmiller]

James HardOn is about to be out of the league and the game will be better for it.

[red1]

harden is fun to root against. he hasnt been a likeable player since his okc days.


his style in houston was always easy to root against. they gave the warriors hell but I could see them blowing it in the next round had they pulled off the miracle against the kd curry klay warriors.




Harden's a notorious choker.


But he never came close to choking as hard as LeShrivel did in 2011.

this ****** right here always with one thing on his mind :oldlol:

[Phoenix]

harden is fun to root against. he hasnt been a likeable player since his okc days.


his style in houston was always easy to root against. they gave the warriors hell but I could see them blowing it in the next round had they pulled off the miracle against the kd curry klay warriors.



Yeah people always assume the Rockets were a lock to win in 2018 if they got past the Warriors. Harden's style was always rolling the dice, he was either going to shoot the opponent out of the building.....or his own team.

[Full Court]

harden is fun to root against. he hasnt been a likeable player since his okc days.


his style in houston was always easy to root against. they gave the warriors hell but I could see them blowing it in the next round had they pulled off the miracle against the kd curry klay warriors.





this ****** right here always with one thing on his mind :oldlol:

I see my comment hit reeeeaaally close to home. :lol

Weep it out. It'll be ok.

[ArbitraryWater]

Stat muse: James Harden has averaged 22.8 points, 5.9 assists and 5.3 rebounds in 23 games in elimination games in his career on 42%.

Its bad.

Expected worse.


Thats a lot better than Kobe in elimination games.

[ArbitraryWater]

There was a point some people were saying he was a better scorer than Jordan/Kobe and should be ranked higher than D-Wade among shooting guards. :oldlol:

2017-2019 Harden was a bad man.

[jayfan]

2017-2019 Harden was a bad man.


2017 Playoffs 2nd round elimination game: Harden: 10 pts on 2-11 shooting. 6 fouls, 6 turnovers.
Spurs 114, Rockets 75.


2018 Playoffs v. GS: (the series everyone likes to give Harden credit for)

game 5 Harden: 5-21 shooting, 0-11 from 3
game 6 Harden: 10-24 shooting, 4-12 from 3
game 7 Harden: 12-29 shooting, 2-13 from 3


2019 Playoffs 2nd round elimination game: Harden: 11-25 shooting, 7-12 free throws.
GS 118, Rockets 113


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[hateraid]

One thing Harden did do is popularize the step back. Whether you like it or not

He was also a fantasy stud for good amount of time

But yes, he is definitely unlikable

[ArbitraryWater]

2017 Playoffs 2nd round elimination game: Harden: 10 pts on 2-11 shooting. 6 fouls, 6 turnovers.
Spurs 114, Rockets 75.


2018 Playoffs v. GS: (the series everyone likes to give Harden credit for)

game 5 Harden: 5-21 shooting, 0-11 from 3
game 6 Harden: 10-24 shooting, 4-12 from 3
game 7 Harden: 12-29 shooting, 2-13 from 3


2019 Playoffs 2nd round elimination game: Harden: 11-25 shooting, 7-12 free throws.
GS 118, Rockets 113


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You can do this for any "bad man"

[Full Court]

Imagine actually hating an NBA player who you don't even know. :lol

OP is such a mentally weak loser.

[jayfan]

You can do this for any "bad man"


No, you can do this for Harden. Possibly the biggest & most consistent money-game choker in league history.
Even in college, he disappeared in the ncaa tournament.

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[RRR3]

Imagine actually hating an NBA player who you don't even know. :lol

OP is such a mentally weak loser.
Posted with zero sense of irony. That's why he was voted dumbest on ISH, folks.

[hateraid]

Posted with zero sense of irony. That's why he was voted dumbest on ISH, folks.

QFT

[Naero]

He was the best player that almost took out the Warriors with KD. That is a feather in his cap and certainly counts as "something"

That’s the thing: people hardly even acknowledge that despite that it almost tipped the scales for his legacy. Beating the Warriors would have effectively won him the title that year: the Rockets clearly would have cakewalked over the Cavs in the Finals. Yet, many seem to feel prime Harden wasn’t a championship-level superstar.

It really shows how circumstances can skew narratives. If it weren’t for CP3’s untimely injury that series and facing a GOAT-level dynasty, would he still be considered a career loser? A ring—especially with a Finals MVP—typically invalidates such labels.

Granted, he underperformed in that series at times (as he has in many others), but he’d be far from the first ATG to get away with that. And he certainly wasn’t the only Rocket that series struggling, hence the entire team had record-breakingly bad three-point shooting in Game 7.

With just a bit more luck that year, some of this thread’s responses would look wildly different. It wouldn’t change how unlikable his playstyle is or whitewash all his blackmarks; it might not even change how bad his reputation is now. But his legacy would have a lot more respect if nothing else.

[jayfan]

That’s the thing: people hardly even acknowledge that despite that it almost tipped the scales for his legacy. Beating the Warriors would have effectively won him the title that year: the Rockets clearly would have cakewalked over the Cavs in the Finals. Yet, many seem to feel prime Harden wasn’t a championship-level superstar.

It really shows how circumstances can skew narratives. If it weren’t for CP3’s untimely injury that series and facing a GOAT-level dynasty, would he still be considered a career loser? A ring—especially with a Finals MVP—typically invalidates such labels.

Granted, he underperformed in that series at times (as he has in many others), but he’d be far from the first ATG to get away with that. And he certainly wasn’t the only Rocket that series struggling, hence the entire team had record-breakingly bad three-point shooting in Game 7.

With just a bit more luck that year, some of this thread’s responses would look wildly different. It wouldn’t change how unlikable his playstyle is or whitewash all his blackmarks; it might not even change how bad his reputation is now. But his legacy would have a lot more respect if nothing else.


2018 Playoffs v. GS: (the series everyone likes to give Harden credit for)

game 5 Harden: 5-21 shooting, 0-11 from 3
game 6 Harden: 10-24 shooting, 4-12 from 3
game 7 Harden: 12-29 shooting, 2-13 from 3

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[Phoenix]

2017-2019 Harden was a bad man.

One of the best regular season players, no doubt.

[SouBeachTalents]

This to me is the craziest stat about Harden.

Playoff games shooting under 20%. And I'll discount games with few minutes/low shot attempts.

LeBron: 1
Curry: 1
KD: 0
Kawhi: 0
Kobe: 0
Wade: 3
Westbrick: 3
Iverson: 2

Total: 10

Harden: 10

And that's being generous not including many other gems like b2b 2/10 games in the 2012 Finals that the Thunder lost by 12 points combined, a 4/15 Game 7 in the bubble, and his 4/16 & 3/11 efforts in Games 6 & 7 against Boston last year.

[Phoenix]

It's pretty easy to see why Harden's game fell off in the playoffs ( by his season standards). His offensive game was either 3's or layups created off his ISO's. Never really developed an elite mid-range or post game, not a catch and shoot threat coming off screens so when the legs get tired and the 3's don't fall, and the defense limits penetration, he didn't have much to fall on. As he put it the other day 'I'm the system' when it came to being his teams offensive engine, but it had the effect of raising the floor but lowering the ceiling.

Some of his worst shooting games contain embarrassing 3point numbers. You'd think if you're like.....oh I don't know 1-10 from the three point line then it's not one of those nights.

[Axe]

He had a real chance at a ring two years ago. Didn't materialize tho..

[red1]

Posted with zero sense of irony. That's why he was voted dumbest on ISH, folks.

:oldlol:



kid is dumb as a sack of rocks

[Full Court]

Posted with zero sense of irony. That's why he was voted dumbest on ISH, folks.

You sound weepy. Maybe you should make another thread about me to help you cope. :lol

[8Ball]

Posted with zero sense of irony. That's why he was voted dumbest on ISH, folks.

I came to the realization he is 15 years old and almost 100% of the time us adults ignore everything 15 years have to say.

[8Ball]

It's pretty easy to see why Harden's game fell off in the playoffs ( by his season standards). His offensive game was either 3's or layups created off his ISO's. Never really developed an elite mid-range or post game, not a catch and shoot threat coming off screens so when the legs get tired and the 3's don't fall, and the defense limits penetration, he didn't have much to fall on. As he put it the other day 'I'm the system' when it came to being his teams offensive engine, but it had the effect of raising the floor but lowering the ceiling.

Some of his worst shooting games contain embarrassing 3point numbers. You'd think if you're like.....oh I don't know 1-10 from the three point line then it's not one of those nights.

Harden has off nights because physically his body can't sustain constant great performances in the playoffs, game after game.

He just doesn't put in any work during the off season to grill his body into shape.

[8Ball]

That’s the thing: people hardly even acknowledge that despite that it almost tipped the scales for his legacy. Beating the Warriors would have effectively won him the title that year: the Rockets clearly would have cakewalked over the Cavs in the Finals. Yet, many seem to feel prime Harden wasn’t a championship-level superstar.

It really shows how circumstances can skew narratives. If it weren’t for CP3’s untimely injury that series and facing a GOAT-level dynasty, would he still be considered a career loser? A ring—especially with a Finals MVP—typically invalidates such labels.

Granted, he underperformed in that series at times (as he has in many others), but he’d be far from the first ATG to get away with that. And he certainly wasn’t the only Rocket that series struggling, hence the entire team had record-breakingly bad three-point shooting in Game 7.

With just a bit more luck that year, some of this thread’s responses would look wildly different. It wouldn’t change how unlikable his playstyle is or whitewash all his blackmarks; it might not even change how bad his reputation is now. But his legacy would have a lot more respect if nothing else.

CP3 never reached the peak that Harden did and has physical limitations so the expectations for CP3 aren't really there. CP3 can't carry the team deep in the playoffs.

Almost beating the Warriors is not enough outweigh all the other negatives for Harden.

[red1]

I came to the realization he is 15 years old and almost 100% of the time us adults ignore everything 15 years have to say.

I think you're right


probably a 14-year old spamming online

[8Ball]

I think you're right


probably a 14-year old spamming online

Yes it is.

There is no way an adult male can be as mentally retarded, even more retarded than 3ball is. 3ball has schizophrenia so its understandable.

So 15 year old pimply teen is the only answer.

[BarberSchool]

My favorite moments in Harden’s career, were when he was running all OKC’s pick and rolls in the playoffs and finals, since Westbrick was a turnover machine, and Westbrick made Harden look like a playmaking, decision-making genius by comparison.

Since he rightfully left OKC, his brand of ball has indeed been difficult to cheer for, to say the least. He’s like a smaller, faster Luka, but with more turnovers, lower shooting percentages, more travels/Carries, and a whole lot more dishonesty in the paint.

[Jasper]

Never had 1 great playoff series.
Quit his way out of 3 teams in 3 years, demanding trades each and every time.
Foul merchant during his prime.
Took workout lessons from Shaq during the offseason, always out of shape.
I am sure the Clippers will work their way out of this and get better but I am enjoying the losses so far.

That is all.

hay ------- > he is a millionaire cut him a break.:pimp::oldlol::pimp:

[Phoenix]

Harden has off nights because physically his body can't sustain constant great performances in the playoffs, game after game.

He just doesn't put in any work during the off season to grill his body into shape.

Yeah that's part of it, but his game was very dependent on offensive friendly whistles and the refs do tend to call the game differently in the playoffs. Basically if the officiating was consistent between season and playoffs, you wouldn't have seen the same kind of numbers you saw at his peak. Yeah he'd still be dropping numbers but like...36 a night like what we saw a few years ago? Doubtful.