Fight breaks out between Minnesota and Golden State!

[Im Still Ballin]

And here we go!.gif

https://streamable.com/loaa3v

[ArbitraryWater]

Im assuming Grapemond got ejected?

[ArbitraryWater]

Why were Klay and Daniels ejected? lol

[kawhileonard2]

That was a regular play

[Im Still Ballin]

This is the thread

[Xiao Yao You]

Gobert trying to be the peacemaker and Green going crazy as usual while Klay tries to give him a cheap shot while he's being held :facepalm

[Hey Yo]

https://youtu.be/LQb8dK4MC-E?si=mFtdNz7B6EOSY1NC

[FireDavidKahn]

Green is such a clown.

[Wally450]

What did Gobert do that Draymond saw him as a threat?

[red1]

hope this causes both of these teams to go on a downward trajectory :applause:

[Xiao Yao You]

What did Gobert do that Draymond saw him as a threat?

made them look like shit last game. Without Curry they knew they had no chance without some shenanigans

[bdonovan]

If Gobert wanted to stop the fight, the thing to do is to hold back your own teammate. That's how NBA fights are broken up. Not by putting your hands on the player on the opposing team; which he did. His hands were at the neck level and you can see he puts Klay in a headlock. You can see his right arm around Klay's neck. Draymond responds by putting Gobert in a headlock of his own.

Gobert's headlock lasted less than a second while Draymond's lasted several seconds and is a more dangerous headlock. Given the progression of events, I can understand why Draymond responded how he did to protect his own teammate from being headlocked, but he went too far.

[Xiao Yao You]

hope this causes both of these teams to go on a downward trajectory :applause:

injuries will be the only thing to slow down a team that defends like the Wolves

[red1]

injuries will be the only thing to slow down a team that defends like the Wolves

western conference looking stacked


STACKED

[BarberSchool]

Light work.

Klay just reaching out on a lazy arms length box out, and son overreacted. Then they danced up the court together.

Dray got excited, and couldn’t help himself.

[dankok8]

Only Draymond did anything ejection worthy IMO. And he will probably be suspended too. Otherwise just a minor scuffle.

[Proctor]

:roll:

I always love to see Gobert get punked. Draymond was an idiot but at least it happened to Gobert

[SaltyMeatballs]

Draymond knows he's worthless without Curry so he jumped at the opportunity of getting ejected :oldlol:

That sequence was ****ing wild lol

[k0kakw0rld]

Gobert trying to be the peacemaker and Green going crazy as usual while Klay tries to give him a cheap shot while he's being held :facepalm

On some Moses Malone and DR J sh!t vs BIRD

[hold this L]

What a huge shocker. The team now that is not using 40% of its playing time on 4 34-39 year olds guys, doesn't look old and unathletic all of the sudden. Would be nice if the GM and CEO were looking at this and thinking of making moves instead of allowing the OG's to ride into the sunset while making 75% of the team's entire salary. But hey, emotions are more important than facts.

Feelings over everything else. :facepalm

[tpols]

AND Draymond has just got Gobert in a chokehold...! This is just ridiculous!


I know I'm a douchebag for it but I LOVE this type of stuff. :roll:

[hold this L]

I know I'm a douchebag for it but I LOVE this type of stuff. :roll:

https://media.tenor.com/EVLEt1nqvxcAAAAC/croissant-breakfast.gif

[Hey Yo]

I know I'm a douchebag for it but I LOVE this type of stuff. :roll:

It's all good.

Just what the league needed in the middle of November

[bdonovan]

Timberwolves have the size & strength; and they know how to use it. They are doing a number of off-ball moving screens- the same way that Popovich and Spurs used to do, with a big guy pretending to move towards the basket and shouldering the opposing defender on the guy they want to get the ball too.

They're being coached well. If you have an advantage in size, use it. Physicality all day long, wearing the opposition down. Their W-L record attests to how successful that's been.

[Im Still Ballin]

I know I'm a douchebag for it but I LOVE this type of stuff. :roll:

The ratings would go up if they had a hockey-type thing where two guys put on helmets and fight it out.

[FireDavidKahn]

What did Gobert do that Draymond saw him as a threat?

Be French

[hold this L]

Is there any argument that Klay, CP and maybe even Draymond shouldn't be on very limited minutes?

[highwhey]

https://i.postimg.cc/xT9Nb2w7/400618714-259601223762902-5948689937272408094-n.jpg

[Axe]

https://phantom-marca.unidadeditorial.es/cd13b2a03a9d1d43697271f018317e9e/resize/640/assets/multimedia/imagenes/2023/11/15/17000236017342.jpg

[red1]

https://phantom-marca.unidadeditorial.es/cd13b2a03a9d1d43697271f018317e9e/resize/640/assets/multimedia/imagenes/2023/11/15/17000236017342.jpg

put the frenchman in the guillotine :oldlol:

[red1]

https://i.postimg.cc/xT9Nb2w7/400618714-259601223762902-5948689937272408094-n.jpg

:oldlol:



I dont get the wwe part but the klay draymond interaction got me :roll:

[SATAN]

This was a W for Draymond's podcast no matter who won the game.

[tpols]

put the frenchman in the guillotine :oldlol:

On some Marie "let them eat cake" antionette shit.

Warriors lost the game, but that shit was awesome. :lol

[GOBB]

So Rudy tapped out? Hahaha That’s embarrassing


And KAT is a big softy. You’re not going to choke Draymond back and get him off your teammate? Jimmy was right about you. Change your name to Cat

[WhiteKyrie]

Xiao going to be mad his French fry fagguht hero got choked all the way out :roll: DrAPEmond is a moron and a monkey. But at least he got Rudy Toody Fresh and Fruity.

[Kblaze8855]

The text I woke up to this morning

https://www.hostpic.org/images/2311151545480330.jpeg

[Kblaze8855]

So Rudy tapped out? Hahaha That’s embarrassing


And KAT is a big softy. You’re not going to choke Draymond back and get him off your teammate? Jimmy was right about you. Change your name to Cat


Your boy Ben Simmons literally made KAT tap last time this happened. And I do mean literally…



https://www.hostpic.org/images/2311151552220314.gif




That man tapped out to the choke and an assistant coach alerted Ben to that fact like a UFC ref looking to prevent further damage.

Something about that frontline just begs to be put in its place like Tyrese in baby boy



https://youtu.be/3xtUKQ7-184?si=61NlZAT4LSc7oZ31

[WhiteKyrie]

Your boy Ben Simmons literally made KAT tap last time this happened. And I do mean literally…



https://www.hostpic.org/images/2311151552220314.gif




That man tapped out to the choke and an assistant coach alerted Ben to that fact like a UFC ref looking to prevent further damage.

Something about that frontline just begs to be put in its place like Tyrese in baby boy



https://youtu.be/3xtUKQ7-184?si=61NlZAT4LSc7oZ31
Not the Jody choke :roll: all time classic right there

[Real Men Wear Green]

He won't get the biggest suspension but I'm going to say this is largely McDaniels fault. Thompson gets blame as well, to be honest I'm not sure who really instigated but I think McDaniels went more flagrantly at him. Green misunderstood what Gobert was doing when he went in for the choke. Really unfortunate because with his history be may get hammered. I'm not calling for a huge suspension just it wouldn't surprise me.

[FireDavidKahn]

He won't get the biggest suspension but I'm going to say this is largely McDaniels fault. Thompson gets blame as well, to be honest I'm not sure who really instigated but I think McDaniels went more flagrantly at him. Green misunderstood what Gobert was doing when he went in for the choke. Really unfortunate because with his history be may get hammered. I'm not calling for a huge suspension just it wouldn't surprise me.

Klay was technically the first one who put his hands on Jaden and grabbed his jersey. Jaden was wrong for retaliating. But they were just shoving each other and not throwing punches. I don't think either should have been rejected but since the same treatment happened to both of them.... Whatever, not gonna fret about it. I don't see how either of them get suspended.

Green will get suspended though

[FireDavidKahn]

Ok, Gobert earned points for saying this. Savage:roll:


"Gobert called Green’s choke “clown behavior.” Said he knew as soon as he heard Steph was out, he knew Draymond was going to try to get ejected"

"Gobert on Draymond: “Every time Steph doesn’t play, he doesn’t want to play without his guy Steph so he does anything he can to get ejected.”

[Xiao Yao You]

:roll:

I always love to see Gobert get punked. Draymond was an idiot but at least it happened to Gobert

Gobert living rent free :cheers:

[Xiao Yao You]

Xiao going to be mad his French fry fagguht hero got choked all the way out :roll: DrAPEmond is a moron and a monkey. But at least he got Rudy Toody Fresh and Fruity.

who beat the Warriors two straight at their place? :cheers:

[Xiao Yao You]

Ok, Gobert earned points for saying this. Savage:roll:


"Gobert called Green’s choke “clown behavior.” Said he knew as soon as he heard Steph was out, he knew Draymond was going to try to get ejected"

"Gobert on Draymond: “Every time Steph doesn’t play, he doesn’t want to play without his guy Steph so he does anything he can to get ejected.”

that's pretty much what I thought when it was first posted

[GOBB]

Your boy Ben Simmons literally made KAT tap last time this happened. And I do mean literally…



https://www.hostpic.org/images/2311151552220314.gif




That man tapped out to the choke and an assistant coach alerted Ben to that fact like a UFC ref looking to prevent further damage.

Something about that frontline just begs to be put in its place like Tyrese in baby boy



https://youtu.be/3xtUKQ7-184?si=61NlZAT4LSc7oZ31

Hahahahaaa

[FireDavidKahn]

that's pretty much what I thought when it was first posted

Imagine getting called a clown, a dickrider and going to end up suspended:roll:

[FireDavidKahn]

The whining from Draymond over Goberts comments is going to be legendary:oldlol:

[Xiao Yao You]

The whining from Draymond over Goberts comments is going to be legendary:oldlol:

I assume they got at least one more game in Minnesota? See if Draymond even makes the trip

[Xiao Yao You]

Anthony Slater: Here’s the pool report from the Warriors-Timberwolves altercation tonight. Official Tyler Ford explains why they ejected Klay Thompson, Jaden McDaniels (https://*********.com/social/) and Draymond Green and didn’t give Rudy Gobert discipline. They ruled that Gobert was “a peacemaker.” pic.twitter.com/c1oAjwfjvD

– via Twitter anthonyVslater (https://twitter.com/anthonyVslater)



obviously

[Real Men Wear Green]

I assume they got at least one more game in Minnesota? See if Draymond even makes the trip

While Green was in the wrong for misunderstanding what Gobert was doing he had never shown any sign of being afraid of getting booed. He doesn't mind being the villain at all. He's easily more concerned with beating the Minnesota defense and stopping Edwards than any fear of what the crowd will yell. If the Warriors are winning he will even enjoy it.

[Xiao Yao You]

Dane Moore: While most of the Rudy Gobert focus tonight will be on the first minute of the game, what Gobert did in the last minute arguably won it. Asked Gobert about what he saw here when Chris Paul got to the midrange before blocking Dario Saric’s shot in the corner. “As I was running back on defense, I saw that I was cross-matched — I was on Saric, Kyle was on Looney. So I knew that as soon as CP saw that, he was going to try to draw me in to kick it out. (https://*********.com/social/) I got ahead of it and just went in the paint to make sure he kicks it out first. Then just try to recover and give Saric the best contest as I could. And yeah, it was a good play by CP, but I saw it coming.”
– via Twitter DaneMooreNBA (https://twitter.com/DaneMooreNBA)

[ILLsmak]

I saw this and had to come to ISH. haha. Dray needs to be removed from the league, imo.

I'm trying to think of a precedent for washed and angry. It IS pretty funny that he did it to a 7'2 guy though, since nobody got hurt. But still. That should be a lengthy suspension because dude, while generating ratings probably, is making bball look like a joke. Dudes didn't even do stuff like that when the NBA was not soft. That was way too aggressive and he held that way too long. I'd challenge someone to post a more aggressive choke hold in NBA history. LOL. Dude came in like he was trying to kill him. also lol at that drawing.

The screenshot is def him in the headlock with both hands up like "why me?"

-Smak

[Kblaze8855]

Hahahahaaa

Imagine getting done like Grandad on the boondocks by Ben Simmons of all people

https://www.hostpic.org/images/2311151827420310.gif


https://www.hostpic.org/images/2311151827570317.gif







And then have your team trade for a tougher big to back you up only for him to get Deeboed himself first conflict out the gate


https://i.ibb.co/5WxGtn7/IMG-6900.gif

[tpols]

The ratings would go up if they had a hockey-type thing where two guys put on helmets and fight it out.


The way I see it no harm, no foul. If nobody gets hurt why they kicking people out the games? The 80s and 90s were the golden era for basketball because everybody loved watching all the brawls.

[tpols]

I saw this and had to come to ISH. haha. Dray needs to be removed from the league, imo.

I'm trying to think of a precedent for washed and angry. It IS pretty funny that he did it to a 7'2 guy though, since nobody got hurt. But still. That should be a lengthy suspension because dude, while generating ratings probably, is making bball look like a joke. Dudes didn't even do stuff like that when the NBA was not soft. That was way too aggressive and he held that way too long. I'd challenge someone to post a more aggressive choke hold in NBA history. LOL. Dude came in like he was trying to kill him. also lol at that drawing.

The screenshot is def him in the headlock with both hands up like "why me?"

-Smak

You sure about that?

https://i.makeagif.com/media/2-23-2017/qqsAQr.gif

Not only in a head lock but getting punched in the face.

[Kblaze8855]

I’ve seen Isiah Thomas choke at least two people one of them being Kevin Willis.

[GOBB]

Imagine getting done like Grandad on the boondocks by Ben Simmons of all people

https://www.hostpic.org/images/2311151827420310.gif


https://www.hostpic.org/images/2311151827570317.gif







And then have your team trade for a tougher big to back you up only for him to get Deeboed himself first conflict out the gate


https://i.ibb.co/5WxGtn7/IMG-6900.gif

I can’t stop laughing. Twin softies man. And Kat had a chance to redeem himself and failed. Rudy Pooh Candy Ass

[Xiao Yao You]

I can’t stop laughing. Twin softies man. And Kat had a chance to redeem himself and failed. Rudy Pooh Candy Ass

the soft ass that stayed in the game and got the W :facepalm

[FireDavidKahn]

the soft ass that stayed in the game and got the W :facepalm

Only "unserious" people care more about Street cred then actually winning basketball games��

[WhiteKyrie]

You sure about that?

https://i.makeagif.com/media/2-23-2017/qqsAQr.gif

Not only in a head lock but getting punched in the face.

Look at those two total cowards needing to team up to fight Larry :oldlol:

[Xiao Yao You]

Look at those two total cowards needing to team up to fight Larry :oldlol:

exactly what happened last nite. Klay tried to get in a cheap shot on Gobert too

[Kblaze8855]

I can’t stop laughing. Twin softies man. And Kat had a chance to redeem himself and failed. Rudy Pooh Candy Ass




the soft ass that stayed in the game and got the W :facepalm


Careful. Mama Xiao about to get involved with the pistol



https://www.hostpic.org/images/2311151914200308.gif

[tpols]

exactly what happened last nite. Klay tried to get in a cheap shot on Gobert too


How you feel about your boy getting punked big bro? How does it make you feel?

[WhiteKyrie]

exactly what happened last nite. Klay tried to get in a cheap shot on Gobert too

Not even close. Draymond just picked the biggest ***** on the floor to choke out. Larry was fighting two cowardly bruvas. Goebert just let that monkey choke him out from behind

[FireDavidKahn]

Warriors and their fans really said all that to drop 2 straight to the MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES AT HOME ����������������������

[tpols]

Warriors and their fans really said all that to drop 2 straight to the MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES AT HOME ����������������������

Nobody is going to remember who won this game but they will always remember rudy getting choked out. :lol

[Kblaze8855]

Warriors and their fans really said all that to drop 2 straight to the MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES AT HOME ����������������������

I suspect the Warriors don’t have any goals concerning Minnesota. This is like those teams that had their whole season made when they beat the Jordan Bulls. It’s nice for the fans and if teams still made the promotional season ticket holder VHSs it would get an overly produced sappy section but it doesn’t exactly….matter. Teams that matter and fan bases used to success don’t celebrate anything of this nature.

It’s just a fun little situation to make the next game more exciting. Personally, I’m all for it. But the Warriors are going to ring count you to death in any argument. They have the only thing that matters and they know it.

[Xiao Yao You]

How you feel about your boy getting punked big bro? How does it make you feel?



Dane Moore: While most of the Rudy Gobert focus tonight will be on the first minute of the game, what Gobert did in the last minute arguably won it. Asked Gobert about what he saw here when Chris Paul got to the midrange before blocking Dario Saric’s shot in the corner. “As I was running back on defense, I saw that I was cross-matched — I was on Saric, Kyle was on Looney. So I knew that as soon as CP saw that, he was going to try to draw me in to kick it out. (https://*********.com/social/) I got ahead of it and just went in the paint to make sure he kicks it out first. Then just try to recover and give Saric the best contest as I could. And yeah, it was a good play by CP, but I saw it coming.”

– via Twitter DaneMooreNBA (https://twitter.com/DaneMooreNBA)




:bowdown:

[Xiao Yao You]

Nobody is going to remember who won this game but they will always remember rudy getting choked out. :lol

They meaning the trolls that live for this shit :facepalm

[Kblaze8855]

They meaning the trolls that live for this shit :facepalm


Just…everyone.

You remember who won the game when Childs punched Kobe? How about when Christie uppercut Fox?

I don’t.

nobody cares who wins games like this. Hell playoff games with famous fights people barely even remember who won.

[Xiao Yao You]

Just…everyone.

You remember who won the game when Childs punched Kobe? How about when Christie uppercut Fox?

I don’t.

nobody cares who wins games like this. Hell playoff games with famous fights people barely even remember who won.

The Wolves care as they continue to kick ass and take names

[tpols]

They meaning the trolls that live for this shit :facepalm

Ay you might have won the battle, but you won't win the war.

Next time we see yall it's on sight.


https://youtu.be/3MUGAxpI0Bc?si=xI-gMV07R75BL6t9

[FireDavidKahn]

I suspect the Warriors don’t have any goals concerning Minnesota. This is like those teams that had their whole season made when they beat the Jordan Bulls. It’s nice for the fans and if teams still made the promotional season ticket holder VHSs it would get an overly produced sappy section but it doesn’t exactly….matter. Teams that matter and fan bases used to success don’t celebrate anything of this nature.

It’s just a fun little situation to make the next game more exciting. Personally, I’m all for it. But the Warriors are going to ring count you to death in any argument. They have the only thing that matters and they know it.

Dude, we're historically a poverty franchise. Flaunting rings from years ago doesn't faze us one bit. We get more joy that we punked the warriors and pretty much just ended their legacy on national TV.

Green started crap last game and got his sh!t pushed back in. Wrote checks that his teammates couldn't cash.

I don't really have anything bad to say about Klay or Curry but by proxy because of Green they get caught up in this. I'm glad it was the Wolves to punk Green


Green got punked so badly that 90%+ of social media is backing up GOBERT (the most disrespected player in the league) in this situation

[Kblaze8855]

The Wolves care as they continue to kick ass and take names


Teams that focus on names taken in November are rarely taking them in May. If KAT can’t play to potential to keep people off Ant in the playoffs this whole season is smoke and mirrors.

[FireDavidKahn]

Teams that focus on names taken in November are rarely taking them in May. If KAT can’t play to potential to keep people off Ant in the playoffs this whole season is smoke and mirrors.

What month are we in?

Should we not talk about what is happening right now?

[Kblaze8855]

Dude, we're historically a poverty franchise. Flaunting rings from years ago doesn't faze us one bit. We get more joy that we punked the warriors and pretty much just ended their legacy on national TV.




If your team is concerned about the second part of that they will stay a poverty franchise. Hope they do the cliche but effective “One game at a time” thing and forget it. They’re talented enough to win for real. Ant looks like a type who can turn a team to a playoff winner. Like Jimmy butler with more natural talent.

[dankok8]

It's still early in the season but the Wolves do look like a much better team than the Warriors.

That being said, I don't think they will contend because their offense isn't good enough. Ant is young and inexperienced to lead this team far.

[Im so nba'd out]

https://i.postimg.cc/Prv4Kypc/IMG-0583.jpg


Pathetic…it’s no defending Rudy for this. His stans should be embarrassed

[ArbitraryWater]

It's still early in the season but the Wolves do look like a much better team than the Warriors.

That being said, I don't think they will contend because their offense isn't good enough. Ant is young and inexperienced to lead this team far.

This is his 4th year lol.

He was already a star last year.

[tontoz]

Ant gave Denver all they could handle in the playoffs averaging 31/5/5.

[FireDavidKahn]

What month are we in?

Should we not talk about what is happening right now?


If your team is concerned about the second part of that they will stay a poverty franchise. Hope they do the cliche but effective “One game at a time” thing and forget it. They’re talented enough to win for real. Ant looks like a type who can turn a team to a playoff winner. Like Jimmy butler with more natural talent.

IT'S NOVEMBER. Of course we are going to focus on what happens in November in November.

I won't care about any of this come play offs but right now it's hilarious

[Kblaze8855]

What month are we in?

Should we not talk about what is happening right now?

As you may notice….I’m talking about it myself. It’s funny. It just isn’t something to take as important. Just a good laugh and reason to maybe watch it on league pass next matchup.

[ArbitraryWater]

https://i.postimg.cc/Prv4Kypc/IMG-0583.jpg


Pathetic…it’s no defending Rudy for this. His stans should be embarrassed


Draymon is insane lmao

[Xiao Yao You]

If your team is concerned about the second part of that they will stay a poverty franchise. Hope they do the cliche but effective “One game at a time” thing and forget it. They’re talented enough to win for real. Ant looks like a type who can turn a team to a playoff winner. Like Jimmy butler with more natural talent.

Jimmy had Towns and Lavine not Gobert and Conley

[dankok8]

This is his 4th year lol.

He was already a star last year.


Ant gave Denver all they could handle in the playoffs averaging 31/5/5.

Denver is just an average-ish defensive team and he still only shot +0.5 rTS.

Not saying the guy isn't super talented but he's still only 22... Wolves are currently 1st on defense but 23rd on offense. Let's pump the brakes a bit on him carrying the offense. I hope he does but it's far-fetched given his age and this team.

[tontoz]

Denver is just an average-ish defensive team and he still only shot +0.5 rTS.

Not saying the guy isn't super talented but he's still only 22... Wolves are currently 1st on defense but 23rd on offense. Let's pump the brakes a bit on him carrying the offense. I hope he does but it's far-fetched given his age and this team.



Denver wasn't an average defense in the playoffs lol. They were 3rd in defensive efficiency in the playoffs tied with the Lakers.

[Im Still Ballin]

Denver is just an average-ish defensive team and he still only shot +0.5 rTS.

Not saying the guy isn't super talented but he's still only 22... Wolves are currently 1st on defense but 23rd on offense. Let's pump the brakes a bit on him carrying the offense. I hope he does but it's far-fetched given his age and this team.

That Minnesota #1 defense is like -11.2 rDRtg though. Ultra-dominant! Not your regular run-of-the-mill top-ranked defense. It's early but it looks like they could be a 2004 Detroit/2008 Boston-level defense. I'd expect the offense to pick up and the defense to drop off a little.

[ArbitraryWater]

Denver is just an average-ish defensive team and he still only shot +0.5 rTS.

Not saying the guy isn't super talented but he's still only 22... Wolves are currently 1st on defense but 23rd on offense. Let's pump the brakes a bit on him carrying the offense. I hope he does but it's far-fetched given his age and this team.


Its not far fetched at all.

Dude has the game and the maturity.

He shows it every week.

[Jason Terry]

https://i.postimg.cc/Prv4Kypc/IMG-0583.jpg


Pathetic…it’s no defending Rudy for this. His stans should be embarrassed

Towns & Toody, softest front court in the league

Nobody is taking them seriously come playoff time :lol

[GOBB]

Only "unserious" people care more about Street cred then actually winning basketball games��

What does street cred have to do with defending yourself as a man? Lol

[GOBB]

the soft ass that stayed in the game and got the W :facepalm

No one will remember who won the game. Heck you only mention the W because you have an obsession with Rudy and defending him. Had this been someone else? Doubt you’d care. Heck I’m sure if this was a player you couldn’t stand? The “W” narrative shifts. Your man is a big softy. Tell him to tighten the f*ck up.

[FireDavidKahn]

Towns & Toody, softest front court in the league

Nobody is taking them seriously come playoff time :lol

Epic alt account. 6 posts since 2021

[Jasper]

the kicker now uses choke holds ... who would of figured.

[Im Still Ballin]

2022 GSW won a championship with a dominant defense and a mediocre offense. Well, at least that's how they performed in the regular season. Correct me if I'm wrong but their regular season offense was +0.5 rORtg and their regular season defense was -5.1 rDRtg.

[Jasper]

No one will remember who won the game. Heck you only mention the W because you have an obsession with Rudy and defending him. Had this been someone else? Doubt you’d care. Heck I’m sure if this was a player you couldn’t stand? The “W” narrative shifts. Your man is a big softy. Tell him to tighten the f*ck up.

lmfao

[beasted]

I predict a 2 game suspension for Draymond.

[Im Still Ballin]

Minnesota could end up with an offense of 0 to +2 rORtg and a defense of -6 to -8 rDRtg. That seems reasonable.

[ILLsmak]

You sure about that?

https://i.makeagif.com/media/2-23-2017/qqsAQr.gif

Not only in a head lock but getting punched in the face.

Yea i seen that lol.

Dray grabbed dude and dragged him like ten fifteen feet then dropped him on his ass. Imo i havent seen someone get slept like that ever in nba. That was brutal.

If someone has better ones show.

-Smak

[WhiteKyrie]

No one will remember who won the game. Heck you only mention the W because you have an obsession with Rudy and defending him. Had this been someone else? Doubt you’d care. Heck I’m sure if this was a player you couldn’t stand? The “W” narrative shifts. Your man is a big softy. Tell him to tighten the f*ck up.

Yeah, it’s a relatively meaningless game. And it’s really weird the way he talks about Rudy Gobert. He literally hates and throws shade at every other basketball player in existence, one’s dramatically better than his favorite player, but glorifies this clown delusionally so. He just compared Larry Bird fighting off two cowards in Dr. J and Charles Barkley at the same time and said the same thing happened last night with Rudy? Rudy literally just let this ape choke him the **** out and didn’t do anything.

[Kblaze8855]

Barkley wasn’t even trying to fight. He was surprised when he got fined because for once he was trying to break up a fight. He’s told the story many times. Moses bird and Doctor were fighting. They had been fighting for years. The previous one bird sucker punched Mark IvaRoni. That’s back when “On sight” meant on sight. Bird stole on him before the game even started I believe. I have the clip somewhere….

[r0drig0lac]

Where is Pekovic when we need him?

[Im Still Ballin]

The 2021-22 Golden State Warriors had a defense that was -8.8 rDRtg after 25 games. We'll see if Minnesota can best that mark. They currently sit at -11.2 rDRtg after 10 games.

[Wally450]

Draymond needs the book thrown at him. Dude gets away with all sorts of shit. Dudes get techs for hanging on the rim for more than a second, yet Draymond can berate a ref for a solid minute.

**** that donkey head lookin ass.

[highwhey]

dray really took the opportunity by the neck huh?

[Xiao Yao You]

Towns & Toody, softest front court in the league

Nobody is taking them seriously come playoff time :lol

Gobert may be a lot of things but soft isn't one of them :facepalm

[Kblaze8855]

Pat Bev clowning KAT for not helping Rudy

https://twitter.com/thedunkcentral/status/1724822821476462984?s=46&t=6wC01e_jvrTUpW4eOxrXKA

[Xiao Yao You]

No one will remember who won the game. Heck you only mention the W because you have an obsession with Rudy and defending him. Had this been someone else? Doubt you’d care. Heck I’m sure if this was a player you couldn’t stand? The “W” narrative shifts. Your man is a big softy. Tell him to tighten the f*ck up.

why is appreciating the 3rd best player in my cities history an obsession?

[highwhey]

Pat Bev clowning KAT for not helping Rudy

https://twitter.com/thedunkcentral/status/1724822821476462984?s=46&t=6wC01e_jvrTUpW4eOxrXKA

:roll:

the wolves were doing so good too, but pat bringing to light some chemistry issues that are likely true

[Xiao Yao You]

Barkley wasn’t even trying to fight. He was surprised when he got fined because for once he was trying to break up a fight. He’s told the story many times. Moses bird and Doctor were fighting. They had been fighting for years. The previous one bird sucker punched Mark IvaRoni. That’s back when “On sight” meant on sight. Bird stole on him before the game even started I believe. I have the clip somewhere….

glad someone sucker punched that bum Ivaroni. Almost as good as Hakeem taking out the stiff Billy Paultz

[Xiao Yao You]

Beverley would certainly be a good fit

[tpols]

Pat Bev clowning KAT for not helping Rudy

https://twitter.com/thedunkcentral/status/1724822821476462984?s=46&t=6wC01e_jvrTUpW4eOxrXKA

KAT went to an all boys Christian high school 20 minutes from where I live.

He ain't about that life. Could've easily sunk a choke in on dray or donkey punch him in the back of the head to get him off rudy.

But I'd imagine wrestling dray is like wrestling a chimp. He's strong, impulsive, and has animal like reflexes. And he might just bite your nose off.

[tpols]

why is appreciating the 3rd best player in my cities history an obsession?

Dwill, AK47, and even prime Boozer > Gobert.

[Xiao Yao You]

Adrian Wojnarowski: ESPN Sources: The NBA is looking further into the Warriors-Timberwolves scuffle, including Draymond Green headlock on Rudy Gobert. Warriors play OKC on Thursday, so review on Green’s part — including video and interviews — expected to be completed for a ruling prior to that game (https://*********.com/social/).
– via Twitter wojespn (https://twitter.com/wojespn)




As Draymond Green applied the choke hold to Rudy Gobert to pull him off of Thompson, the Minnesota Timberwolves center tried to stay calm as everyone around him seemed to be losing their minds. “He’s grabbing me, he’s grabbing me, he’s grabbing me,” Gobert recalled. “(But) the choke wasn’t good enough. Yeah, it wasn’t enough for me to really have to (go to sleep). But he tried. He tried really hard, but it wasn’t good enough to where I felt like I was really in danger of falling asleep or something like that.” (https://theathletic.com/5064856/2023/11/15/rudy-gobert-draymond-green-choke-hold-warriors-timberwolves/)
– via Jon Krawczynski, Sam Amick, Jon Krawczynski and Sam Amick @ The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/5064856/2023/11/15/rudy-gobert-draymond-green-choke-hold-warriors-timberwolves/)







Green held Gobert for about nine seconds on Tuesday as assistant coaches, security staff and players tried to pry everyone apart and get control of a situation that erupted as the game between the Timberwolves and Golden State Warriors wasn’t even two minutes old. “It was a long time, and if he knew how to choke it could have been way worse,” Gobert said. “He tried to. His intention was to really take me out. And I kept my hands up the whole time just to show the officials that I wasn’t trying to escalate the situation.” (https://theathletic.com/5064856/2023/11/15/rudy-gobert-draymond-green-choke-hold-warriors-timberwolves/)
– via Jon Krawczynski, Sam Amick, Jon Krawczynski and Sam Amick @ The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/5064856/2023/11/15/rudy-gobert-draymond-green-choke-hold-warriors-timberwolves/)







“There is no way Klay Thompson should have been ejected,” Warriors coach Steve Kerr said. “That’s ridiculous … as far as the Draymond Green part, Rudy Gobert had his hands on Klay’s neck. That’s why Draymond went after Rudy.” When informed of Kerr’s comments, Gobert chuckled. “What do you want me to say? He’s backing his guy, but I think he knows,” Gobert said. “Deep inside, he (doesn’t) want to say it but his guy is a clown.” (https://theathletic.com/5064856/2023/11/15/rudy-gobert-draymond-green-choke-hold-warriors-timberwolves/)
– via Jon Krawczynski, Sam Amick, Jon Krawczynski and Sam Amick @ The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/5064856/2023/11/15/rudy-gobert-draymond-green-choke-hold-warriors-timberwolves/)






Clutch Points: Shaq pulled a Draymond Green last night on Inside the NBA as he put Charles Barkley in a chokehold 🤣 (https://*********.com/social/) (via @NBAonTNT) pic.twitter.com/kfUIEGjcZ5

Shaq pulled a Draymond Green last night on Inside the NBA as he put Charles Barkley in a chokehold 🤣
(via @NBAonTNT (https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw))pic.twitter.com/kfUIEGjcZ5 (https://t.co/kfUIEGjcZ5)
— ClutchPoints (@ClutchPoints) November 15, 2023 (https://twitter.com/ClutchPoints/status/1724808629998571522?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)


– via Twitter ClutchPointsApp (https://twitter.com/ClutchPointsApp)

[Xiao Yao You]

Dwill, AK47, and even prime Boozer > Gobert.

AK47's all star year is really the only thing that compares. He carried a bad team for 1 year while Gobert did it for closer to a decade. It's too bad AK didn't have the drive to be great like Gobert. He was certainly a special talent. Boozer was the 3rd best PF on his own team! Williams was a great 1 way player

[Manny98]

Towns & Toody, softest front court in the league

Nobody is taking them seriously come playoff time :lol

This :oldlol:

[Manny98]

Williams was a great 1 way player
Um... So is Rudy...

[Xiao Yao You]

Um... So is Rudy...

if you say so :facepalm

[Xiao Yao You]

and even if he was Deron wasn't the best offensive player of his era

[WhiteKyrie]

Dwill, AK47, and even prime Boozer > Gobert.

Easily. Talk about delusion.

Jazz

Malone
Stockton
D-Will
D-Mitch
Boozer
AK47
Pistol Pete

Over Rudy Tooty Fesh and Fruity, who likes it in the booty.

[tpols]

and even if he was Deron wasn't the best offensive player of his era

He was known for being as good as peak chris Paul who was an MVP candidate at the time.

[WhiteKyrie]

and even if he was Deron wasn't the best offensive player of his era

Rudy isn’t the best one way of his player either WTF

[dankok8]

Denver wasn't an average defense in the playoffs lol. They were 3rd in defensive efficiency in the playoffs tied with the Lakers.

They had a -3.3 rDRtg in the playoffs so fair point. I'd say good not great defense. Average-ish was unfair on my part.


That Minnesota #1 defense is like -11.2 rDRtg though. Ultra-dominant! Not your regular run-of-the-mill top-ranked defense. It's early but it looks like they could be a 2004 Detroit/2008 Boston-level defense. I'd expect the offense to pick up and the defense to drop off a little.

Super early my man. I'd be shocked if they are much better than -5 rDRtg at the end of the season.


Its not far fetched at all.

Dude has the game and the maturity.

He shows it every week.

Except they are 23rd in offense right now plus there's essentially zero historical precedent for a 22 year old leading an elite playoff offense.

[tontoz]

I listen to the Zach Lowe podcast regularly and he thinks Jaden McDaniels is the best perimeter defender in the league. Ant is also getting after it on D. Even Kat seems to be buying in.

They don't need to be an elite offense to be a threat in the playoffs.

[ILLsmak]

Barkley wasn’t even trying to fight. He was surprised when he got fined because for once he was trying to break up a fight. He’s told the story many times. Moses bird and Doctor were fighting. They had been fighting for years. The previous one bird sucker punched Mark IvaRoni. That’s back when “On sight” meant on sight. Bird stole on him before the game even started I believe. I have the clip somewhere….

meanwhile Rudy's feet weren't even flat on the ground. It really is almost comical. It is, because nobody got hurt, but dray is indeed a clown and I hope they suspend him for a while. He needs to stop doing trash like this. Imagine Rodman doing something like that. Or Artest. They'd get 30 games.

-Smak

[Manny98]

Rudy isn’t the best one way of his player either WTF

:lol

[ArbitraryWater]

They had a -3.3 rDRtg in the playoffs so fair point. I'd say good not great defense. Average-ish was unfair on my part.



Super early my man. I'd be shocked if they are much better than -5 rDRtg at the end of the season.



Except they are 23rd in offense right now plus there's essentially zero historical precedent for a 22 year old leading an elite playoff offense.


They dont need to be a higher ranked offense with their defense.

Things will balance out. Theyll still be as good as they are right now.

And Ant will be a superstar in the playoffs. Youre taking a bad bet if youd bet against that.

[tpols]

meanwhile Rudy's feet weren't even flat on the ground. It really is almost comical. It is, because nobody got hurt, but dray is indeed a clown and I hope they suspend him for a while. He needs to stop doing trash like this. Imagine Rodman doing something like that. Or Artest. They'd get 30 games.

-Smak

:biggums:

Artest got 7 games for nearly splitting Hardens wig.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/1-19-2016/mTUAH9.gif

He threw a 12-6 elbow from behind which is illegal in MMA because doctors told the commisioners that throwing elbows like that could split a person's skull open at the right angle and leave them bleeding to death almost instantaneously.

He got 7 games.

And you want dray to get 30?

That doesn't add up.

[hold this L]

Klay was technically the first one who put his hands on Jaden and grabbed his jersey. Jaden was wrong for retaliating. But they were just shoving each other and not throwing punches. I don't think either should have been rejected but since the same treatment happened to both of them.... Whatever, not gonna fret about it. I don't see how either of them get suspended.

Green will get suspended though

It made sense why both got suspended after what Dray did. If Dray doesn't turn into a UFC fighter, they likely get 1 tech apiece and it's done.

[FultzNationRISE]

I listen to the Zach Lowe podcast regularly and he thinks Jaden McDaniels is the best perimeter defender in the league. Ant is also getting after it on D. Even Kat seems to be buying in.

They don't need to be an elite offense to be a threat in the playoffs.


Maybe, but the offensive level in the game is so high now, not to mention the rules favoring it, it could prove hard to win by shutting teams down four times in a series if you cant score much yourself. Opponents are gonna get chances to make adjustments and figure out ways to get their scorers going. If your team just doesnt have much offensive firepower it could be tough nowadays.

Not saying they cant do it, just the dynamic of offense/defense is different than what it used to be.

[WhiteKyrie]

When is somebody going to just rock DrAPEmond? Smh pussified league with no enforcers, to the point this hyena is allowed to bully people. Even fahgutty French centers that dwarf him. :oldlol:

[tpols]

Looking at it again it was a 3-9 elbow but to Hardens temple / behind the ear range. And with no bracing sneak attack basically. People die from that shit in bar fights all the time.

Where as rudy took 0 damage from that choke. Being submitted is far less dangerous than taking haymakers whether they be fist, elbow, knee whatever.

[WhiteKyrie]

Where as rudy took 0 damage from that choke. Being submitted is far less dangerous than taking haymakers whether they be fist, elbow, knee whatever.

But embarrassing none the less. Didn’t even fight back. Draymond dipped that french fry in ketchup.

[Xiao Yao You]

He was known for being as good as peak chris Paul who was an MVP candidate at the time.

he was never as good as Paul. Delusional Utah fans thought so

[Xiao Yao You]

I listen to the Zach Lowe podcast regularly and he thinks Jaden McDaniels is the best perimeter defender in the league. Ant is also getting after it on D. Even Kat seems to be buying in.

They don't need to be an elite offense to be a threat in the playoffs.

I've been impressed from what I've saw. Eveyone seems to be buying in. Gobert is free to roam and he has size at the rim if he's not there which he never had outside of Favors and Favors spotting up in the corner was less than ideal.

[dankok8]

I listen to the Zach Lowe podcast regularly and he thinks Jaden McDaniels is the best perimeter defender in the league. Ant is also getting after it on D. Even Kat seems to be buying in.

They don't need to be an elite offense to be a threat in the playoffs.

Not elite but they have to be much better than the level of 23rd in the league.

[WhiteKyrie]

he was never as good as Paul. Delusional Utah fans thought so

You’re really dumb. Like you consistently have the worst basketball takes.

To the point I really don’t understand why you’re even on a basketball message board.

Ultimately was he as good or great as Chris Paul? No, because that beared out in their career. But the point was there was a three year stretch there, where it was arguable between the both of them. I’d say 2007 - 2010 specifically. And actually, there was moments during that time that Deron was playing better in the playoffs than Chris was.

You’re looking at it exclusively in hindsight. Which is disingenuous.

In the moment it was arguable, and Deron had them in the playoffs, playing relatively well, Carlos Boozer totally revealed himself to be a slightly above average power forward. That was actually the best Jazz team since the 90s Malone and Stockton era.

[Xiao Yao You]

Easily. Talk about delusion.

Jazz

Malone
Stockton
D-Will
D-Mitch
Boozer
AK47
Pistol Pete

Over Rudy Tooty Fesh and Fruity, who likes it in the booty.

I know you guys don't deal in facts but narratives but what the hell. Stockton, Malone, Gobert, and the real AD. You guys can quibble over the rest

Vorp



1.
John Stockton (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stockjo01.html)*
106.5


2.
Karl Malone (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/malonka01.html)*
97.3


3.
Andrei Kirilenko (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kirilan01.html)
38.5


4.
Adrian Dantley (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dantlad01.html)*
28.2


5.
Rudy Gobert (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/goberru01.html)
27.8


6.
Jeff Hornacek (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hornaje01.html)
20.7


7.
Deron Williams (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willide01.html)
17.9


8.
Gordon Hayward (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/haywago01.html)
17.6


9.
Rickey Green (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenri01.html)
15.0


10.
Carlos Boozer (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boozeca01.html)
14.4

[Xiao Yao You]

1.

Ekpe Udoh (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/u/udohek01.html)
4.3



2.
Carey Scurry (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/scurrca01.html)
3.3


3.
Mark Eaton (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/eatonma01.html)
2.9


4.
Andrei Kirilenko (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kirilan01.html)
2.4


5.
Rudy Gobert (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/goberru01.html)
2.2


6.
Royce O'Neale (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealro01.html)
2.0


7.
Jeff Withey (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/witheje01.html)
1.9


8.
John Stockton (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stockjo01.html)*
1.9


9.
Rich Kelley (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kelleri01.html)
1.7


10.
Otto Moore (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mooreot01.html)
1.6



Def Box +/-

[Xiao Yao You]

1.
John Stockton (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stockjo01.html)*
6.8


2.
Andrei Kirilenko (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kirilan01.html)
5.3


3.
Karl Malone (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/malonka01.html)*
5.2


4.
Adrian Dantley (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dantlad01.html)*
4.2


5.
Rudy Gobert (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/goberru01.html)
4.0


6.
Jeff Hornacek (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hornaje01.html)
3.6


7.
Ekpe Udoh (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/u/udohek01.html)
3.6


8.
Donyell Marshall (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/marshdo01.html)
2.9


9.
Carlos Boozer (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boozeca01.html)
2.7


10.
Deron Williams (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willide01.html)
2.5



Box +/-

[WhiteKyrie]

I know you guys don't deal in facts but narratives but what the hell. Stockton, Malone, Gobert, and the real AD. You guys can quibble over the rest

Vorp



1.
John Stockton (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stockjo01.html)*
106.5


2.
Karl Malone (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/malonka01.html)*
97.3


3.
Andrei Kirilenko (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kirilan01.html)
38.5


4.
Adrian Dantley (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dantlad01.html)*
28.2


5.
Rudy Gobert (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/goberru01.html)
27.8


6.
Jeff Hornacek (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hornaje01.html)
20.7


7.
Deron Williams (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willide01.html)
17.9


8.
Gordon Hayward (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/haywago01.html)
17.6


9.
Rickey Green (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenri01.html)
15.0


10.
Carlos Boozer (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boozeca01.html)
14.4



What is this a random chart of guy? :oldlol:

[Xiao Yao You]

Ahead of the statues

Win shares per 48


Win Shares Per 48 Minutes


1.
Rudy Gobert (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/goberru01.html)
.227


2.
John Stockton (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stockjo01.html)*
.209


3.
Karl Malone (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/malonka01.html)*
.207


4.
Adrian Dantley (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dantlad01.html)*
.205


5.
Ekpe Udoh (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/u/udohek01.html)
.202


6.
Jeff Withey (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/witheje01.html)
.185


7.
Jeff Hornacek (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hornaje01.html)
.179


8.
Carlos Boozer (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boozeca01.html)
.160


9.
Donyell Marshall (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/marshdo01.html)
.159


10.
Derrick Favors (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/favorde01.html)
.156

[Xiao Yao You]

off. rating


Offensive Rating
1.
Ekpe Udoh (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/u/udohek01.html)
129.3


2.
Rudy Gobert (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/goberru01.html)
127.4


3.
Jeremy Evans (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/evansje01.html)
122.1


4.
Adrian Dantley (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dantlad01.html)*
120.6


5.
John Stockton (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stockjo01.html)*
120.5


6.
Jeff Hornacek (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hornaje01.html)
120.1


7.
Mike Conley (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/conlemi01.html)
118.7


8.
Jeff Withey (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/witheje01.html)
118.5


9.
Ronnie Brewer (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brewero02.html)
116.2


10.
Royce O'Neale (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealro01.html)
115.5

[Xiao Yao You]

block %


Block Pct
1.
Ekpe Udoh (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/u/udohek01.html)
7.7


2.
Greg Ostertag (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/ostergr01.html)
7.0


3.
Mark Eaton (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/eatonma01.html)
6.9


4.
Jeff Withey (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/witheje01.html)
6.5


5.
Rudy Gobert (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/goberru01.html)
6.1


6.
Andrei Kirilenko (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kirilan01.html)
5.4


7.
Derrick Favors (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/favorde01.html)
4.2


8.
Kyrylo Fesenko (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/fesenky01.html)
3.9


9.
Jeremy Evans (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/evansje01.html)
3.8


10.
Olden Polynice (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/polynol01.html)
3.7

[Xiao Yao You]

Total reb %


Total Rebound Pct
1.
Rudy Gobert (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/goberru01.html)
21.7


2.
Carlos Boozer (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boozeca01.html)
18.6


3.
Rich Kelley (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kelleri01.html)
17.3


4.
Greg Ostertag (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/ostergr01.html)
17.2


5.
Enes Freedom (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kanteen01.html)
16.7


6.
Felton Spencer (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/spencfe01.html)
16.7


7.
Ron Behagen (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/behagro01.html)
16.7


8.
Truck Robinson (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/robintr01.html)
16.6


9.
Al Jefferson (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jeffeal01.html)
16.3


10.
Derrick Favors (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/favorde01.html)
16.3

[Xiao Yao You]

defensive reb %


Defensive Rebound Pct
1.
Rudy Gobert (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/goberru01.html)
30.4


2.
Carlos Boozer (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boozeca01.html)
27.7


3.
Truck Robinson (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/robintr01.html)
24.9


4.
Al Jefferson (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jeffeal01.html)
24.7


5.
Mel Counts (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/countme01.html)
24.4


6.
Otto Moore (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mooreot01.html)
23.8


7.
Karl Malone (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/malonka01.html)*
23.4


8.
Rich Kelley (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kelleri01.html)
22.8


9.
Ron Behagen (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/behagro01.html)
22.0


10.
Greg Ostertag (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/ostergr01.html)
21.5

[Xiao Yao You]

off reb %


Offensive Rebound Pct
1.
Enes Freedom (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kanteen01.html)
12.9


2.
Rudy Gobert (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/goberru01.html)
12.6


3.
Greg Ostertag (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/ostergr01.html)
12.6


4.
Adam Keefe (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/keefead01.html)
12.0


5.
Felton Spencer (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/spencfe01.html)
11.9


6.
Olden Polynice (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/polynol01.html)
11.8


7.
Jeff Withey (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/witheje01.html)
11.7


8.
Stephen Howard (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/howarst01.html)
11.4


9.
Rich Kelley (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kelleri01.html)
11.4


10.
Ron Behagen (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/behagro01.html)
11.3

[Xiao Yao You]

eff FG%


Effective Field Goal Pct
1.
Rudy Gobert (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/goberru01.html)
.653


2.
Lauri Markkanen (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/markkla01.html)
.588


3.
Joe Ingles (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/inglejo01.html)
.583


4.
Royce O'Neale (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealro01.html)
.564


5.
Adrian Dantley (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dantlad01.html)*
.562


6.
Kyle Korver (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/korveky01.html)
.557


7.
John Stockton (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stockjo01.html)*
.546


8.
Bojan Bogdanović (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bogdabo02.html)
.546


9.
Carlos Boozer (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boozeca01.html)
.544


10.
Jeff Hornacek (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hornaje01.html)
.538

[Xiao Yao You]

TS %



1.
Rudy Gobert (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/goberru01.html)
.671


2.
Adrian Dantley (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dantlad01.html)*
.632


3.
Ekpe Udoh (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/u/udohek01.html)
.611


4.
John Stockton (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stockjo01.html)*
.608


5.
Eric Leckner (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leckner01.html)
.602


6.
Jeff Hornacek (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hornaje01.html)
.600


7.
Joe Ingles (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/inglejo01.html)
.599


8.
Jeremy Evans (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/evansje01.html)
.597


9.
Georges Niang (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/niangge01.html)
.597


10.
Bojan Bogdanović (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bogdabo02.html)
.597

[Xiao Yao You]

player eff. rating



1.
Adrian Dantley (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dantlad01.html)*
24.1


2.
Karl Malone (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/malonka01.html)*
24.1


3.
Rudy Gobert (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/goberru01.html)
22.1


4.
John Stockton (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stockjo01.html)*
21.8


5.
Carlos Boozer (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boozeca01.html)
21.3


6.
Al Jefferson (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jeffeal01.html)
21.1


7.
Donyell Marshall (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/marshdo01.html)
19.6


8.
John Drew (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/drewjo01.html)
19.5


9.
Derrick Favors (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/favorde01.html)
19.4


10.
Andrei Kirilenko (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kirilan01.html)
19.1

[Xiao Yao You]

2 pt fg %



1.
Rudy Gobert (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/goberru01.html)
.655


2.
Lauri Markkanen (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/markkla01.html)
.581


3.
Adrian Dantley (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dantlad01.html)*
.563


4.
Royce O'Neale (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealro01.html)
.552


5.
Ronnie Brewer (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brewero02.html)
.550


6.
Carlos Boozer (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boozeca01.html)
.544


7.
John Stockton (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stockjo01.html)*
.541


8.
Derrick Favors (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/favorde01.html)
.541


9.
Donyell Marshall (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/marshdo01.html)
.534


10.
Blue Edwards (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/edwarbl01.html)
.533

[Xiao Yao You]

fg %



1.
Rudy Gobert (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/goberru01.html)
.653


2.
Adrian Dantley (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dantlad01.html)*
.562


3.
Carlos Boozer (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boozeca01.html)
.544


4.
Derrick Favors (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/favorde01.html)
.530


5.
Ronnie Brewer (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brewero02.html)
.523


6.
Adam Keefe (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/keefead01.html)
.521


7.
Karl Malone (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/malonka01.html)*
.517


8.
Paul Millsap (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa01.html)
.516


9.
Blue Edwards (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/edwarbl01.html)
.516


10.
John Stockton (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stockjo01.html)*
.51

[ILLsmak]

:biggums:

Artest got 7 games for nearly splitting Hardens wig.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/1-19-2016/mTUAH9.gif

He threw a 12-6 elbow from behind which is illegal in MMA because doctors told the commisioners that throwing elbows like that could split a person's skull open at the right angle and leave them bleeding to death almost instantaneously.

He got 7 games.

And you want dray to get 30?

That doesn't add up.

Kinda an exaggerarion but 5-10 forreal. And yea artest haha but that was instigated. Was brutal tho for sure. Also low key funny, the rhythm of chest pound then elbow shed.

-Smak

[Xiao Yao You]

You’re really dumb. Like you consistently have the worst basketball takes.

To the point I really don’t understand why you’re even on a basketball message board.

Ultimately was he as good or great as Chris Paul? No, because that beared out in their career. But the point was there was a three year stretch there, where it was arguable between the both of them. I’d say 2007 - 2010 specifically. And actually, there was moments during that time that Deron was playing better in the playoffs than Chris was.

You’re looking at it exclusively in hindsight. Which is disingenuous.

In the moment it was arguable, and Deron had them in the playoffs, playing relatively well, Carlos Boozer totally revealed himself to be a slightly above average power forward. That was actually the best Jazz team since the 90s Malone and Stockton era.

Paul played both ends of the court and has been great everywhere. Deron was great playing in Motta's system for Sloan

[Xiao Yao You]

What is this a random chart of guy? :oldlol:

VORP

google it

[WhiteKyrie]

Gobert got traded. He’s not your franchises third best player.

#8th
https://kslsports.com/500660/chatgpt-ranks-best-utah-jazz-players-of-all-time/

#5th
https://clutchpoints.com/10-greatest-players-in-jazz-franchise-history-ranked

#6th
https://kslsports.com/503680/top-50-jazz-players/

Not Listed
https://959thehawk.com/2023/04/17/top-9-utah-jazz-players-of-all-time/

#6th
https://thejnotes.com/2023/10/23/ksl-named-top-50-players-utah-jazz-players-time-no-1-pick-right-call/

[tontoz]

Not elite but they have to be much better than the level of 23rd in the league.


I have them at 19th against a tough schedule so far. They are only 2 pts per 100 from 11th.

Meanwhile the defensive gap between Minny and the 2nd place team is 5.2 pts per 100.

[Xiao Yao You]

Gobert got traded. He’s not your franchises third best player.

#8th
https://kslsports.com/500660/chatgpt-ranks-best-utah-jazz-players-of-all-time/

#5th
https://clutchpoints.com/10-greatest-players-in-jazz-franchise-history-ranked

#6th
https://kslsports.com/503680/top-50-jazz-players/

Not Listed
https://959thehawk.com/2023/04/17/top-9-utah-jazz-players-of-all-time/

#6th
https://thejnotes.com/2023/10/23/ksl-named-top-50-players-utah-jazz-players-time-no-1-pick-right-call/

Pistol never had a winning record. Rating Mitchell over the guy that carried him is a joke. I listed the numbers. Hard to argue against them. Other than AK's 3rd season no one ever made a bad Jazz team good except Gobert. They couldn't even tank properly because he was too good. The statues joined a playoff team. It took them 5 years to put enough talent around AD for them to not suck. Oh yeah I forgot the legendary Boozer as the teams 3rd best PF helped them beat the 8th seed to make the conference finals! :roll:

[Kblaze8855]

This dude really listed like 5 stats that people lead the league in specifically because they have little ability. Rudy is number one all time in offensive rating and Capela is second. Specifically BECAUSE they can’t do anything but catch the ball and dunk. The whole top 8 in efg% are modern centers who can’t do anything but dunk. Only one skilled player in the top 12. All time leaders Deandre, Rudy, and Capela.

This man listed like 7 versions of “He dunks and stands under the rim” stats and windshear per 48 or he’s ahead of Tim Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem, Steph, Larry Bird…oh…and Bill Russell who may well have invented winning.

That may well be the longest list of nothing stats that obviously prove nothing that has ever been posted, intending to make a serious point.

[Xiao Yao You]

This dude really listed like 5 stats that people lead the league in specifically because they have little ability. Rudy is number one all time in offensive rating and Capela is second. Specifically BECAUSE they can’t do anything but catch the ball and dunk. The whole top 8 in efg% are modern centers who can’t do anything but dunk. Only one skilled player in the top 12. All time leaders Deandre, Rudy, and Capela.

This man listed like 7 versions of “He dunks and stands under the rim” stats and windshear per 48 or he’s ahead of Tim Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem, Steph, Larry Bird…oh…and Bill Russell who may well have invented winning.

That may well be the longest list of nothing stats that obviously prove nothing that has ever been posted, intending to make a serious point.

he certainly didn't carry his team to the western conference finals over an 8th seed as the 3rd best pf on his own team! :roll:

[dankok8]

I have them at 19th against a tough schedule so far. They are only 2 pts per 100 from 11th.

Meanwhile the defensive gap between Minny and the 2nd place team is 5.2 pts per 100.

BRef has them 23rd at 110.8.

Anyways they have to improve offensively while staying dominant on defense. We'll see if they can do it.

[GOBB]

https://twitter.com/thedunkcentral/status/1724822821476462984?s=42&t=kYM2DZZCB2vYaz1gS5cf0Q

Facts

[Kblaze8855]

I listed the numbers. Hard to argue against them.




It is unbelievably easy to argue against the importance of numbers that increase as your skill decreases and your role diminishes as a result.

If Rudy Gobert were better at basketball, his efficiency stats would decline because he would have too much responsibility. That’s why DeAndre Jordan and Clint Capela have better numbers in most of those categories than Larry bird, Hakeem, or Michael Jordan.

your statistical argument hinges on a lack of skill limiting what he is expected to do.

Pull up the extensive formula used to calculate win shares, and you will see efficiency is heavily considered. And his efficiency is entirely based on how bad he is at certain aspects of basketball.

if he could dribble pass and shoot which are fundamental aspects of basketball playing, he would be a better player, but a less efficient one because people who dribble and pass turn the ball over more as a result, and people who can shoot make a lower percentage of their shots than guys who have to be spoonfed every basket by somebody more skilled than they are.

If you make him exactly as good as Olajuwon, 80% of the numbers you posted decline because he would be too ****ing good at basketball to shoot 70% because only bums(and people like wilt choosing not to shoot for his own reasons) can shoot 70% because only people without skills are limited to the kind of shot you should never miss.

knowing these facts and posting that bullshit, as if you’re talking to a bunch of people who have never watched basketball is exactly why a large group of completely unaffiliated people who have nothing else in common and agree on little all think you’re ridiculous.

[WhiteKyrie]

It is unbelievably easy to argue against the importance of numbers that increase as your skill decreases and your role diminishes as a result.

If Rudy Gobert were better at basketball, his efficiency stats would decline because he would have too much responsibility. That’s why DeAndre Jordan and Clint Capela have better numbers in most of those categories than Larry bird, Hakeem, or Michael Jordan.

your statistical argument hinges on a lack of skill limiting what he is expected to do.

Pull up the extensive formula used to calculate win shares, and you will see efficiency is heavily considered. And his efficiency is entirely based on how bad he is at certain aspects of basketball.

if he could dribble pass and shoot which are fundamental aspects of basketball playing, he would be a better player, but a less efficient one because people who dribble and pass turn the ball over more as a result, and people who can shoot make a lower percentage of their shots than guys who have to be spoonfed every basket by somebody more skilled than they are.

If you make him exactly as good as Olajuwon, 80% of the numbers you posted decline because he would be too ****ing good at basketball to shoot 70% because only garbage men can shoot 70% because only people without skills are limited to the kind of shot you should never miss.

knowing these facts and posting that bullshit, as if you’re talking to a bunch of people who have never watched basketball is exactly why a large group of completely unaffiliated people who have nothing else in common and agree on little all think you’re ridiculous.

Thank you, I don’t have the time and the patience for this delusional moron

[tontoz]

BRef has them 23rd at 110.8.

Anyways they have to improve offensively while staying dominant on defense. We'll see if they can do it.

Using bref Minny is 3rd in net rating, just ahead of the Nuggets. A big gap after that.

[Xiao Yao You]

It is unbelievably easy to argue against the importance of numbers that increase as your skill decreases and your role diminishes as a result.

If Rudy Gobert were better at basketball, his efficiency stats would decline because he would have too much responsibility. That’s why DeAndre Jordan and Clint Capela have better numbers in most of those categories than Larry bird, Hakeem, or Michael Jordan.

your statistical argument hinges on a lack of skill limiting what he is expected to do.

Pull up the extensive formula used to calculate win shares, and you will see efficiency is heavily considered. And his efficiency is entirely based on how bad he is at certain aspects of basketball.

if he could dribble pass and shoot which are fundamental aspects of basketball playing, he would be a better player, but a less efficient one because people who dribble and pass turn the ball over more as a result, and people who can shoot make a lower percentage of their shots than guys who have to be spoonfed every basket by somebody more skilled than they are.

If you make him exactly as good as Olajuwon, 80% of the numbers you posted decline because he would be too ****ing good at basketball to shoot 70% because only bums(and people like wilt choosing not to shoot for his own reasons) can shoot 70% because only people without skills are limited to the kind of shot you should never miss.

knowing these facts and posting that bullshit, as if you’re talking to a bunch of people who have never watched basketball is exactly why a large group of completely unaffiliated people who have nothing else in common and agree on little all think you’re ridiculous.

doing all those things doesn't necessarily make one a better player. Doing the things to help you team win is more important than being an inefficient gunner that doesn't defend or pass or set screens or any of the countless things that help a team win games. It's like the argument that today's players are better because they shoot 3's and crossover and eurostep despite the fact that they might not be able to make a simple lay up with their opposite hand. Gobert does the things you need to help a team win games. The things that others don't want to do. That was evident early in the 2014 when a team trying to tank was suddenly competitive because of their backup center despite him not being as skilled as their so called big 4 at the time. It was evident every time over the past decade when he wasn't playing and the team once again sucked because he wasn't on the floor. Been evident the past year plus as the team gets decimated defensively despite Kessler supposedly being just as good already. Wolves fans seem to be getting it even if no one else does

[Xiao Yao You]

Using bref Minny is 3rd in net rating, just ahead of the Nuggets. A big gap after that.

maybe they will finally do it against a good team!

[tontoz]

maybe they will finally do it against a good team!

Your sarcasm isnt funny.

Their schedule has been pretty tough so far.

[Xiao Yao You]

Your sarcasm isnt funny.

Their schedule has been pretty tough so far.

yeah you'd think beating the Celtics and Nuggets would make someone take notice but apparently it's all been smoke and mirrors

[Kblaze8855]

doing all those things doesn't necessarily make one a better player. Doing the things to help you team win is more important than being an inefficient gunner that doesn't defend or pass or set screens or any of the countless things that help a team win games. It's like the argument that today's players are better because they shoot 3's and crossover and eurostep despite the fact that they might not be able to make a simple lay up with their opposite hand. Gobert does the things you need to help a team win games. The things that others don't want to do. That was evident early in the 2014 when a team trying to tank was suddenly competitive because of their backup center despite him not being as skilled as their so called big 4 at the time. It was evident every time over the past decade when he wasn't playing and the team once again sucked because he wasn't on the floor. Been evident the past year plus as the team gets decimated defensively despite Kessler supposedly being just as good already. Wolves fans seem to be getting it even if no one else does


none of which has anything to do with his relative standing among the games best players, and especially it’s all time best. What you are doing is with nobody serious needs. You’re explaining why somebody who is relatively unskilled on offense can still be an effective basketball player. even people who might troll know that people like him can be good basketball players. What they aren’t is as good as the numbers you posted suggested for incredibly obvious reasons. Being incredibly efficient and never turning the ball over is a direct result of a lack of basketball skills , which is why guys like him and Capela and DeAndre Jordan are so far ahead of guys like Bird, Hakeem, Kareem, Kobe, and Jordan in things like you posted.

you post absolutely irrelevant bullshit trying to rank him among various stars but when confronted with the fact that what you post doesn’t prove what you suggest you fall back on a general defense of him being good at basketball. He is good at basketball.

He’s just worse than an incredibly large number of other people are and have been. And every speck of your consistently brought up statistical evidence otherwise hinges on the fact he isnt good enough to be given the responsibility that would decrease those numbers, but increase his ability to play basketball.

He doesn’t have to lose anything to gain skills. He doesn’t have any skills Hakeem Olajuwon or David Robinson didn’t. He just lacks a bunch they did have. Take all responsibility and have them do nothing but set screens and crash to the basket they could do what he does and more. He sure as **** can’t do what they did. Give him more skills his efficiency numbers drop, but he plays basketball better, but you struggle to acknowledge that because as obvious as it is it goes against your whole persona.

he doesn’t have to lose any of the positives you were talking about. He can keep all those, and simply be much much much more skilled. It’s not one or the other. A tremendous number of great defenders have also been skilled offense. He just isn’t one of them. Tyson Chandler is the only defensive player of the year or the last 15 years who wasn’t called on to display considerably more offense skill than Rudy. Draymond and Noah were both their teams primary playmaker. Marc Gasol runs laps around Rudy skills wise.

All defensive monsters who didn’t have to be relegated to nothing but finishing lobs on offense. Rudy can’t do any of that.

He’s a better defensive Clint Capela. He’s a less athletic Nuggets Mutombo, or a more athletic Philly Mutombo. Though that’s probably not giving due respect to Mutombos 14 foot jumper he had for a while.

There’s nothing wrong with being Dikembe Mutombo in the wrong era. It just isn’t being elite.

[Xiao Yao You]

none of which has anything to do with his relative standing among the games best players, and especially it’s all time best. What you are doing is with nobody serious needs. You’re explaining why somebody who is relatively unskilled on offense can still be an effective basketball player. even people who might troll know that people like him can be good basketball players. What they aren’t is as good as the numbers you posted suggested for incredibly obvious reasons. Being incredibly efficient and never turning the ball over is a direct result of a lack of basketball skills , which is why guys like him and Capela and DeAndre Jordan are so far ahead of guys like Bird, Hakeem, Kareem, Kobe, and Jordan in things like you posted.

you post absolutely irrelevant bullshit trying to rank him among various stars but when confronted with the fact that what you post doesn’t prove what you suggest you fall back on a general defense of him being good at basketball. He is good at basketball.

He’s just worse than an incredibly large number of other people are and have been. And every speck of your consistently brought up statistical evidence otherwise hinges on the fact he isnt good enough to be given the responsibility that would decrease those numbers, but increase his ability to play basketball.

He doesn’t have to lose anything to gain skills. He doesn’t have any skills Hakeem Olajuwon or David Robinson didn’t. He just lacks a bunch they did have. Take all responsibility and have them do nothing but set screens and crash to the basket they could do what he does and more. He sure as **** can’t do what they did. Give him more skills his efficiency numbers drop, but he plays basketball better, but you struggle to acknowledge that because as obvious as it is it goes against your whole persona.

he doesn’t have to lose any of the positives you were talking about. He can keep all those, and simply be much much much more skilled. It’s not one or the other. A tremendous number of great defenders have also been skilled on all fence. He just isn’t one of them.

He’s a better defensive Clint Capela. He’s a less athletic Nuggets Mutombo, or a more athletic Philly Mutombo. Though that’s probably not giving due respect to Mutombos 14 foot jumper he had for a while.

There’s nothing wrong with being Dikembe Mutombo in the wrong era. It just isn’t being elite.

and yet for some reason he impacted winning with the Jazz more than anyone without a statue. With Capela I'm pretty sure they would have still been a lottery team as they are now with Lauri/Kessler/Bum and as they were with Favors/Kanter/Burks/Hayward and The Black Hole/Millsap/Hayward not to mention AD/Griffith/Green/Bailey or Maravich/Truck/Goodrich or AK/Harpring. Down play him all you want. His impact has been huge

[tontoz]

yeah you'd think beating the Celtics and Nuggets would make someone take notice but apparently it's all been smoke and mirrors


They got my attention in the playoffs. Even though they lost in 5 they looked good in spite of being short handed.

[Xiao Yao You]

They got my attention in the playoffs. Even though they lost in 5 they looked good even though they were short handed.

and they were still working Towns, Conley and Nickeil into the rotation

[Kblaze8855]

and yet for some reason he impacted winning with the Jazz more than anyone without a statue. With Capela I'm pretty sure they would have still been a lottery team as they are now with Lauri/Kessler/Bum and as they were with Favors/Kanter/Burks/Hayward and The Black Hole/Millsap/Hayward not to mention AD/Griffith/Green/Bailey or Maravich/Truck/Goodrich or AK/Harpring. Down play him all you want. His impact has been huge


Considering you once claimed that having the sixth best record after the All-Star game constituted significant “winning” I can see how you would think that. Normal people who have seen what the great players you compare him to(both directly and indirectly by claiming he has been elite) have accomplished? They have a very different idea of “huge” impact.

He has thus far been an absolute historical footnote. A jeopardy question. One of the ones worth a lot of money too because 10 years after he retires you will never hear his name spoken aloud again. You’ve been on here for years talking about he needs help refusing to acknowledge that him and everyone like him to ever play Basketball is the help. Right now he’s Anthony Edwards help. You’re free to not like it and keep posting stats that are made worse by competence but in this case, as in all others when everyone see the same thing but the one guy….

It’s you who has the problem. It’s not the entire rest of the Earth. Everyone else has seen basketball too. You’ve just developed a weird emotional connection that makes you post in a delusional fashion.

And you’re welcome to continue. But when you do it the normal people are going to react. Which is probably what you’re going for.

Thats kinda the point of trolling. Though of course you’d never do such a thing.

[Xiao Yao You]

Considering you once claimed that having the sixth best record after the All-Star game constituted significant “winning” I can see how you would think that. Normal people who have seen what the great players you compare him to(both directly and indirectly by claiming he has been elite) have accomplished? They have a very different idea of “huge” impact.

He had thus far been an absolute historical footnote. A jeopardy question. One of the ones worth a lot of money too because 10 years after he retires you will never hear his name spoken aloud again. You’ve been on here for years talking about he needs help refusing to acknowledge that him and everyone like him to ever play. Basketball is the help. Right now he’s Anthony Edwards help. You’re free to not like it and keep posting stats that are made worse by competence but in this case, as in all others when everyone see the same thing but the one guy….

It’s you who has the problem. It’s not the entire rest of the Earth. Everyone else has seen basketball too. You’ve just developed a weird emotional connection that makes you post in a delusional fashion.

And you’re welcome to continue. But when you do it the normal people are going to react. Which is probably what you’re going for.

Thats kinda the point of trolling. Though of course you’d never do such a thing.

an awful team that is tanking and had lost 8 in a row at one point in December but has the 6th best record once their starting center is replaced doesn't happen everyday. Exum and Burke were their pgs. They were a couple world beaters I tell you! Many other short lived NBA scrubs were part of that rotation. They had no business being one of the best teams for any stretch of time other than their new starting center. That is a huge impact and other than AK almost getting an even worse roster in the playoffs in his 3rd year is the only thing comparable in Jazz history. Maybe if they hadn't made the playoffs for two decades straight there would be but there isn't

[Proctor]

Helping a shitty team break an 8 game losing streak in December a decade ago is a hell of a legacy. Throw the man 200mil.

ISH! :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

Helping a shitty team break an 8 game losing streak in December a decade ago is a hell of a legacy. Throw the man 200mil.

ISH! :roll:

that only got him 100 million because he didn't want to risk being hurt after spraining his knee a few times. Multi all NBA/DPOTY gets you the bag. When are Whiteside and Monroe getting their bag?

[Proctor]

that only got him 100 million because he didn't want to risk being hurt after spraining his knee a few times. Multi all NBA/DPOTY gets you the bag. When are Whiteside and Monroe getting their bag?
If we're creating a legacy for players based on a flash in the pan 10 years ago, Whiteside is far greater than Mr. December. 2014-2016 version of Whiteside was a far superior player to Gobert and a much better defensive anchor. Too bad he didn't get his 200mil before he stopped caring. Gobert won't stop caring to be mediocre but his teammates don't care about him that's for sure

[Kblaze8855]

I heard a pretty scathing report on Hassan Whiteside’s personality being the issue. Apparently he’s just a total asshole. Teammates don’t seem to much like Rudy which I can understand considering he and Draymond are the only two players in the league we have seen throw a punch at a teammate, but whiteside is even worse. Just a jerk to the people around him. Hard to be around and bad for the environment. When the league also goes away from your type of player it’s hard to overcome being unlikable as well.

[Xiao Yao You]

If we're creating a legacy for players based on a flash in the pan 10 years ago, Whiteside is far greater than Mr. December. 2014-2016 version of Whiteside was a far superior player to Gobert and a much better defensive anchor. Too bad he didn't get his 200mil before he stopped caring. Gobert won't stop caring to be mediocre but his teammates don't care about him that's for sure

As I've said Whiteside should have been better than Gobert as should countless others. He wasn't and neither are most others. Pretty sure his teammates with the Wolves care about him. You can see it in the defense they have all bought into behind their defensive leader. Cancer didn't and they got rid of him just like the Jazz should have done with Mitchell and The Bum. You build around your best player they never made sense around him just like most of the others they had. Conley, Hill, Hayward, Ingles and Mitchell's bff O'Neale were his best teammates in Utah

[Proctor]

I heard a pretty scathing report on Hassan Whiteside’s personality being the issue. Apparently he’s just a total asshole. Teammates don’t seem to much like Rudy which I can understand considering he and Draymond are the only two players in the league we have seen throw a punch at a teammate, but whiteside is even worse. Just a jerk to the people around him. Hard to be around and bad for the environment. When the league also goes away from your type of player it’s hard to overcome being unlikable as well.
And I'd bet he stopped caring on top of it. Not quite Andrew Bynum but hit and miss with the effort.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDLE6obaQiY

****.

[Xiao Yao You]

And I'd bet he stopped caring on top of it. Not quite Andrew Bynum but hit and miss with the effort.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDLE6obaQiY

****.

pretty much miss from what I saw. Jazz had Udoka starting ahead of him when Gobert was out for a reason. Poster boy of empty stats

[SATAN]

Seems like Gobert has been slandering and trolling the shit out of Draymond via reporters since this happened lol.

Tough times for the trolls.

[FireDavidKahn]

Seems like Gobert has been slandering and trolling the shit out of Draymond via reporters since this happened lol.

Tough times for the trolls.

Draymonds temper tantrum to all of this will be legendary. No way Draymond stays quite after Rudy called him a Curry dickriding clown.:roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

Draymonds temper tantrum to all of this will be legendary. No way Draymond stays quite after Rudy called him a Curry dickriding clown.:roll:

when do they play again!

[FireDavidKahn]

when do they play again!

Mar 24 @ Minnesota.

Crowd is gonna be lit.

[ArbitraryWater]

Seems like Gobert has been slandering and trolling the shit out of Draymond via reporters since this happened lol.

Tough times for the trolls.

How?


Wouldnt we know if he did?

[SATAN]

How?


Wouldnt we know if he did?

Huh? I seen at least 4 quotes of Rudy going at Draymond today. Look at NBA Reddit or something.

[warriorfan]

The text I woke up to this morning

https://www.hostpic.org/images/2311151545480330.jpeg

lmao

[warriorfan]

I think the real shame is neither will be all stars. Imagine during the weekend dray finding rudy in the streets and just beating the shit out of him :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

I think the real shame is neither will be all stars. Imagine during the weekend dray finding rudy in the streets and just beating the shit out of him :roll:

Rudy boxes. Good luck Dray :cheers:

[Xiao Yao You]

Adrian Wojnarowski: The NBA is fining Klay Thompson, Rudy Gobert and Jaden McDaniels $25,000 each, (https://*********.com/social/) sources tell ESPN.

– via Twitter wojespn (https://twitter.com/wojespn)




the peacemaker gets as much as the ones that started it :facepalm

[AirBonner]

Rudy boxes. Good luck Dray :cheers:

Boxing skills got him choked out

[SATAN]

Rudy boxes. Good luck Dray :cheers:

Does he have the skills to stop a sucker punch though? :lol

[Xiao Yao You]

Boxing skills got him choked out

being a peacemaker did. Got him the W too!

[Xiao Yao You]

“There’s a lot of things being said that wouldn’t be said outside a basketball court. A lot of things I don’t say. I’m not perfect, but I don’t say things to guys that I wouldn’t tell them to their face outside the locker room. It’s a lot of talk.”

–Rudy Gobert, via the Salt Lake Tribune


this is from his Jazz days

[Xiao Yao You]

It’s actually funny because my boxing coach was at the game,” Gobert said. “It’s the only game he’s come to this year. I didn’t throw a punch because I didn’t feel threatened. If I don’t feel threatened, I’m not going to throw a punch. If someone wants to fight, I’m easy to reach. We can take it off the court and deal with it as men. But, people need to stop acting like they are going to fight on the basketball court when they know security will be there to break it up. It’s cool for the cameras, but people need to stop acting like they are about that life.”

that's the one I was looking for!

[warriorfan]

boxing lessons?

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PQUoUhPy98

I wouldn't want to mess with that reach

[WhiteKyrie]

being a peacemaker did. Got him the W too!

:oldlol:

Delusional. Weirdest player Stan EVER

[Xiao Yao You]

:oldlol:

Delusional. Weirdest player Stan EVER

yeah weird to root for the 3rd most important player for the franchise I started following when I was 10 :facepalm

[Manny98]

yeah weird to root for the 3rd most important player for the franchise I started following when I was 10 :facepalm

3rd????

1. Malone
2. Stockton
3. Dantley
4. Maravich


:facepalm

[Xiao Yao You]

3rd????

1. Malone
2. Stockton
3. Dantley
4. Maravich


:facepalm

Pistol never had a winning record but sure he put up some nice numbers! Dantley played one end of the court and couldn't win until they finally put enough guys around him. Gobert won with whatever crap the Jazz threw on the floor with him. Exum, Burke, Mack, the other Millsap, The Bum, The Matador...

[hold this L]

What did Rudy Toody win?

[Xiao Yao You]

What did Rudy Toody win?

games

[Kblaze8855]

What did Rudy Toody win?


Exactly the same number of playoff series as John Wall who you don’t even remember winning one. Same number as Baron Davis who…you do remember winning one.

Nobody remembered as a winner didn’t win more than Rudy Gobert. In fact quite a few people remembered as cancers won significantly more even on teams with no more talent.


Experiment. Find someone called a “Winner” the last 30 years who didn’t win more than 3 playoff series in their career.

You might…..miiiiiight find someone call an old school guy a winner from the days teams still hung division titles like it mattered.

[Xiao Yao You]

Exactly the same number of playoff series as John Wall who you don’t even remember winning one. Same number as Baron Davis who…you do remember winning one.

Nobody remembered as a winning didn’t win more than Rudy Gobert. In fact quite a few people remembered as cancers won significantly more even on teams with no more talent.

(((Carlos Boozer)))

[Kblaze8855]

That said I don’t think he finishes with 3. Ant won’t allow it.

[Kblaze8855]

(((Carlos Boozer)))


At a glance Carlos won 7.

[Xiao Yao You]

That said I don’t think he finishes with 3. Ant won’t allow it.

might even be favored for a change! Amazing what having actual talent around can do for your good fortune

[lxlHoTsAuSelxl]

Gobert actually punched his own teammate Kyle Anderson so dude ain't soft. If Gobert actually train and not just punch a guy holding a mitt twice a year, Gobert > Draymond in a actually boxing ring. But in a steet fight, maybe Draymond. Dude plays dirty and that should spill over if we talking in a street fight. Also dude is wider and stronger, the ground and pound.

[Xiao Yao You]

At a glance Carlos won 7.

Carlos or the guys he was playing a role with? I seem to remember Deron leading their offense and AK leading the D not to forget the Coach That Could Do No Wrong. Boozer spent more time in the ice bath than on the floor

[Xiao Yao You]

Gobert actually punched his own teammate Kyle Anderson so dude ain't soft. If Gobert actually train and not just punch a guy holding a mitt twice a year, Gobert > Draymond in a actually boxing ring. But in a steet fight, maybe Draymond. Dude plays dirty and that should spill over if we talking in a street fight. Also dude is wider and stronger, the ground and pound.

Might be stronger? He certainly wouldn't fight fair

[Manny98]

Pistol never had a winning record but sure he put up some nice numbers! Dantley played one end of the court and couldn't win until they finally put enough guys around him. Gobert won with whatever crap the Jazz threw on the floor with him. Exum, Burke, Mack, the other Millsap, The Bum, The Matador...
Funny because Maravich has played in more conference finals than Rudy

All stars Hayward and Conley and all NBA'er in Mitchell

What garbage!

[Xiao Yao You]

Funny because Maravich has played in more conference finals than Rudy

All stars Hayward and Conley and all NBA'er in Mitchell

What garbage!

Maravich didn't have one winning season with the Jazz. Conley and Hayward are two of his best teammates certainly. Mitchell didn't make all NBA with the Jazz and never fit with their best player.

[Xiao Yao You]

Don't give up though Manny. You might come up with something someday! :cheers:

[Xiao Yao You]

The best team they put around him included the last legs of Joe Johnson and Boris Diaw's corpse and than Hayward left. They were finally moving in the right direction after tanking horribly thanks to Gobert and the next season Favors and The Matador were spotting up in the corners before they tried to play like Houston with 4 guards. COTM!

[Kblaze8855]

might even be favored for a change! Amazing what having actual talent around can do for your good fortune

3 all stars, the sixth man of the year, Bojan and Ingles all at once. No talent isn’t how to describe that.

People have won rings with less talent. You not liking someone doesn’t mean they aren’t talented.

[Manny98]

The best team they put around him included the last legs of Joe Johnson and Boris Diaw's corpse and than Hayward left. They were finally moving in the right direction after tanking horribly thanks to Gobert and the next season Favors and The Matador were spotting up in the corners before they tried to play like Houston with 4 guards. COTM!
Gobert was never the franchise player for the Jazz, it was Hayward and then Mitchell

Gobert is a really good defensive player, but he's not someone you build a team around as a franchise player.

If you're building a team around Gobert then your ceiling is the first round of the playoffs

[Manny98]

3 all stars, the sixth man of the year, Bojan and Ingles all at once. No talent isn’t how to describe that.

People have won rings with less talent. You not liking someone doesn’t mean they aren’t talented.

Rudy "carried" a team with two other all stars + a 6moy to the second round :bowdown:

First ballot HOF right there!

[Kblaze8855]

Carlos or the guys he was playing a role with? I seem to remember Deron leading their offense and AK leading the D not to forget the Coach That Could Do No Wrong. Boozer spent more time in the ice bath than on the floor

Well he put up 25/11 with this 35/14/5 game seven to win the first of them:



https://youtu.be/F2o54nkay2I?si=GLeowXWLjeZ6YRLp


And led the Bulls in scoring and rebounds with 17/11 on 55% shooting in the last of them.

I wouldn’t say he was the best player at the time but it appears he was a significant player for all 7 though I’ve not gone year by year.

[Xiao Yao You]

3 all stars, the sixth man of the year, Bojan and Ingles all at once. No talent isn’t how to describe that.

People have won rings with less talent. You not liking someone doesn’t mean they aren’t talented.

Ingles should have been 6th man of the year not that awful POS. Bojan would have been a nice 6th man. Certainly not someone you're winning much with as a starter. Good scorer. Little else. Olynyk is a lot better guy to have on your team. All those guys weren't on one team of course but don't let that get in the way!

The closest that got to putting a team around him happened because Favors had a bone bruise on his knee that wasn't going to get better during the season so they benched him and he played strictly backup center minutes otherwise they wouldn't have been as good as they were. The last legs of Joe Johnson started with Diaw's corpses behind him after that. Hood was still starting because he went to COTM's alma mater even though he had 6th man written all over him. Hayward peaked. The fantastic trio of Exum/Mack/Neto filled in for Hill after he hurt his toe and was in and out of the lineup. Only time they put the right blueprint around Gobert and it was obviously still very flawed and they only did that to appease Hayward and he left anyway! :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

Gobert was never the franchise player for the Jazz, it was Hayward and then Mitchell

Gobert is a really good defensive player, but he's not someone you build a team around as a franchise player.

If you're building a team around Gobert then your ceiling is the first round of the playoffs

and yet the team was awful when Gobert wasn't on the floor. Since they never did build around him we don't actually know what their ceiling was though they did make the 2nd round twice as underdogs despite that

[Xiao Yao You]

Well he put up 25/11 with this 35/14/5 game seven to win the first of them:



https://youtu.be/F2o54nkay2I?si=GLeowXWLjeZ6YRLp


And led the Bulls in scoring and rebounds with 17/11 on 55% shooting in the last of them.

I wouldn’t say he was the best player at the time but it appears he was a significant player for all 7 though I’ve not gone year by year.

he wouldn't have been playing ahead of AK or Millsap if Sloan had a clue and often didn't because he was always hurt

[Kblaze8855]

Ingles should have been 6th man of the year not that awful POS. Bojan would have been a nice 6th man. Certainly not someone you're winning much with as a starter. Good scorer. Little else. Olynyk is a lot better guy to have on your team. All those guys weren't on one team of course but don't let that get in the way!




Who did I mention who wasn’t there at the same time? Did one of them get traded for another?

[Xiao Yao You]

Who did I mention who wasn’t there at the same time? Did one of them get traded for another?

Hayward didn't play with Mitchell or The Bum or Bojan but go on you are on a roll! :lol

[Kblaze8855]

Having checked 4 of the six I mentioned started in the 21 playoffs and Clarkson and ingles came off the bench with favors. They did in fact have 3 2021 all stars, the sixth man of the year, Bojan, ingles, and favors in the same playoffs. Did I misunderstand something?

[Kblaze8855]

Hayward didn't play with Mitchell or The Bum or Bojan but go on you are on a roll! :lol


Did I say Hayward or did I say they had three all stars and the sixth man of the year?

[Kblaze8855]

he wouldn't have been playing ahead of AK or Millsap if Sloan had a clue and often didn't because he was always hurt

So he shouldn’t have been allowed to Bully Houston and the warriors to make the wcf while Deron was going 1-11 as he got them to the next round? Should they have beaten the eventual champion Spurs or what?

What would not playing Boozer have done to help?

[Xiao Yao You]

Having checked 4 of the six I mentioned started in the 21 playoffs and Clarkson and ingles came off the bench with favors. They did in fact have 3 2021 all stars, the sixth man of the year, Bojan, ingles, and favors in the same playoffs. Did I misunderstand something?

I thought you meant 3 all stars besides Gobert. Mitchell, The Bum, Bojan starting isn't anything to get excited about despite the accolades. Ingles had his best season since he had to stay in Utah because of the pandemic and actually worked out in the off season for the first time

The best team with their 1 all star was the closest they got to putting a proper team around Gobert and it doesn't compare with the team he's on now. Not even close

[Xiao Yao You]

So he shouldn’t have been allowed to Bully Houston and the warriors to make the wcf while Deron was going 1-11 as he got them to the next round? Should they have beaten the eventual champion Spurs or what?

What would not playing Boozer have done to help?

not playing Boozer would have given them a better team and a higher seed. Who knows if they make the western conference finals but AK at the 4 was better than anything Boozer ever did. When Millsap replaced him early in the 2008 season he was putting up basically the same numbers while not being a turnstile on D. Jerry wasn't one for thinking outside the box unfortunately. Deron/Boozer gave him his watered down version of Stockton and Malone. Than instead of putting a defensive center next to Millsap like Chandler they acquired The Black Hole. Never did appreciate what they had in Millsap. If we only could have seen the Gobert/Millsap frontline :cry:

[Manny98]

I thought you meant 3 all stars besides Gobert. Mitchell, The Bum, Bojan starting isn't anything to get excited about despite the accolades. Ingles had his best season since he had to stay in Utah because of the pandemic and actually worked out in the off season for the first time

The best team with their 1 all star was the closest they got to putting a proper team around Gobert and it doesn't compare with the team he's on now. Not even close
The team he's on now he's the third best player so of course it doesn't compare

You can't build a championship team around Rudy Gobert because if Rudy is your best player that team is not making it further than the second round, it's not even a diss at him as a player it's just reality

[Kblaze8855]

not playing Boozer would have given them a better team and a higher seed. Who knows if they make the western conference finals but AK at the 4 was better than anything Boozer ever did. When Millsap replaced him early in the 2008 season he was putting up basically the same numbers while not being a turnstile on D. Jerry wasn't one for thinking outside the box unfortunately. Deron/Boozer gave him his watered down version of Stockton and Malone. Then instead of putting a defensive center next to Millsap like Chandler they acquired The Black Hole. Never did appreciate what they had in Millsap. If we only could have seen the Gobert/Millsap frontline :cry:

The Boozer and Dwill run maximized the Jazz potential. Paul Millsap wasn’t getting them past the big 3 spurs, the back to back champion Lakers, the mavs who beat those lakers and Thunder and by then Paul was on the Hawks as one of 3(or 4) all stars forming the most obvious pretender in nba history. A fluke WCF run is about all any Jazz team should have achieved in the last 20 years.

Nothing was lost playing Boozer. All the teams they would need to beat to do anything they already didnt would have ground the jazz into a thin paste and used them as chum to attract a team worth taking serious.

You talk like a higher seed goes on a banner. It doesn’t matter if you’re the 2009 Blazers instead of the Jazz. A few more wins before inevitable defeat isn’t what serious franchises are gunning for. You can win or you can’t. They were doomed to be pretenders no matter the specifics.

If true victory was the goal no combo of players from that era would achieve it.

[Xiao Yao You]

The team he's on now he's the third best player so of course it doesn't compare

You can't build a championship team around Rudy Gobert because if Rudy is your best player that team is not making it further than the second round, it's not even a diss at him as a player it's just reality

surprised you got him 3rd. McDaniel and Ant I presume? Towns has never been better despite being so skilled! Who said you could build a championship team around him? You certainly build around your best player which he was in Utah. They made it to the 2nd round twice despite not building around him so you can't really say that was their ceiling

[highwhey]

they should schedule more fights to raise ratings.

[Xiao Yao You]

The Boozer and Dwill run maximized the Jazz potential. Paul Millsap wasn’t getting them past the big 3 spurs, the back to back champion Lakers, the mavs who beat those lakers and Thunder and by then Paul was on the Hawks as one of 3(or 4) all stars forming the most obvious pretender in nba history. A fluke WCF run is about all any Jazz team should have achieved in the last 20 years.

Nothing was lost playing Boozer. All the teams they would need to beat to do anything they already didnt would have ground the jazz into a thin paste and used them as chum to attract a team worth taking serious.

You talk like a higher seed goes on a banner. It doesn’t matter if you’re the 2009 Blazers instead of the Jazz. A few more wins before inevitable defeat isn’t what serious franchises are gunning for. You can win or you can’t. They were doomed to be pretenders no matter the specifics.

If true victory was the goal no combo of players from that era would achieve it.

Millsap was better than Boozer as was AK as a 4. They're guys I want on my team.Where that puts them in the standings I don't know because Sloan is still the coach. Okur or The Black Hole is still the center. There are guys I like and guys I don't. Guys that don't play D and are hurt all the time don't make my team. I don't know why you can't get understand that.

Gobert/Millsap/Hayward would have been better than any Jazz team without the statues. But instead the Jazz couldn't quit Favors and Exum over and over again

[Manny98]

surprised you got him 3rd. McDaniel and Ant I presume? Towns has never been better despite being so skilled! Who said you could build a championship team around him? You certainly build around your best player which he was in Utah. They made it to the 2nd round twice despite not building around him so you can't really say that was their ceiling
Towns and Edwards are both better than Rudy im not even going to go back and forth on that

You can't build a championship team with Rudy as the best player, glad we can agree on something :cheers:

[Xiao Yao You]

Towns and Edwards are both better than Rudy im not even going to go back and forth on that

You can't build a championship team with Rudy as the best player, glad we can agree on something :cheers:

If Towns was better they never would have acquired Gobert. Gobert won games with whomever the Jazz played with him. Towns did nothing but lose before Ant except briefly with Butler and we know what Butler thought of Towns. Butler and Thibs would probably still be in Minny if Gobert had been there instead of KAT. Towns should be better. He is highly skilled and we all know that is the only thing that matters in basketball! Cousins should have been better. Whiteside should have been better. Favors should have been better. That list goes on and on. Few have been though.

[Kblaze8855]

Millsap was better than Boozer as was AK as a 4. They're guys I want on my team.Where that puts them in the standings I don't know because Sloan is still the coach. Okur or The Black Hole is still the center. There are guys I like and guys I don't. Guys that don't play D and are hurt all the time don't make my team. I don't know why you can't get understand that.




Who you like is your business. But your affections don’t win games with players who aren’t good enough. And none of the players in question were so it doesn’t much matter the order they played. What Sloan chose got them as far as what was possible. Playing guys you like more to no likely difference isn’t his job.

Jazz don’t get extra credit for running out a team you like that’s gonna lose anyway.

Just like “building around” someone they clearly didn’t feel was someone to build the team to suit doesn’t get them anything.

Your approval isn’t of any value. They couldn’t win no matter what but you tend to suggest they should play to suit your personal interests when the outcome isn’t gonna change in any way that matters.

It’s like me complaining the Bulls should have played Korver more because I liked watching him more than Keith Bogans. I’d be less annoyed. But there wouldn’t be any significant difference if we couldn’t beat the Big 3 Heat so what would playing to my feelings accomplish?

[Manny98]

If Towns was better they never would have acquired Gobert. Gobert won games with whomever the Jazz played with him. Towns did nothing but lose before Ant except briefly with Butler and we know what Butler thought of Towns. Butler and Thibs would probably still be in Minny if Gobert had been there instead of KAT. Towns should be better. He is highly skilled and we all know that is the only thing that matters in basketball! Cousins should have been better. Whiteside should have been better. Favors should have been better. That list goes on and on. Few have been though.
Gobert had Mitchell and Conley + solid cast of role players like Bogdan,Ingles and Royce and 6moy

Towns had Wiggins and a bunch of scrubs

Right now Towns is better imo

[Xiao Yao You]

Who you like is your business. But your affections don’t win games with players who aren’t good enough. And none of the players in question were so it doesn’t much matter the order they played. What Sloan chose got them as far as what was possible. Playing guys you like more to no likely difference isn’t his job.

Jazz don’t get extra credit for running out a team you like that’s gonna lose anyway.

Just like “building around” someone they clearly didn’t feel was someone to build the team to suit doesn’t get them anything.

Your approval isn’t of any value. They couldn’t win no matter what but you tend to suggest they should play to suit your personal interests when the outcome isn’t gonna change in any way that matters.

It’s like me complaining the Bulls should have played Korver more because I liked watching him more than Keith Bogans. I’d be less annoyed. But there wouldn’t be any significant difference if we couldn’t beat the Big 3 Heat so what would playing to my feelings accomplish?

yes they were better. Boozer never had a season close to AK's all-star year rather he could run the pick and roll with Deron or not and he wasn't as good as Millsap certainly by 2008 probably earlier. Obviously Sloan is still coach and they still have other issues. But to think they can't beat the 8th seed without the legendary Boozer is laughable!

No idea if Bogans should have played over Korver. I thought Sloan played Korver too much when he was here but than Sloan had him shooting mid range curls not threes. But I do have opinions on guys I saw plenty of and Boozer being able to run pick and roll and rebound when he happened to not be injured wasn't enough to make-up for all his weaknesses. Sloan's best coaching job was AK's all-star year when he played a different system based on the players he had instead of trying to make guys fit into Dick Motta's system

[Xiao Yao You]

Gobert had Mitchell and Conley + solid cast of role players like Bogdan,Ingles and Royce and 6moy

Towns had Wiggins and a bunch of scrubs

Right now Towns is better imo

Yeah poor Towns playing with another top pick in the draft! Gobert won with Exum, Burke, the other Millsap, Mack, Neto, The Matador, Whiteside, etc. He won with plenty of scrubs and few guys that actually fit around him. He made Hayward and Mitchell into all-stars. You don't become an all-star if your team doesn't win and they didn't win when Gobert wasn't playing. Give Gobert Millsap, Demarre, Hayward, Hill, Conley, Ingles, O'Neale etc. and no one would have wanted to play them

[Kblaze8855]

yes they were better. Boozer never had a season close to AK's all-star year rather he could run the pick and roll with Deron or not and he wasn't as good as Millsap certainly by 2008 probably earlier. Obviously Sloan is still coach and they still have other issues. But to think they can't beat the 8th seed without the legendary Boozer is laughable!



To do…what?

What does anything you’re talking about matter if they can’t beat teams that matter? The ceiling is the same. The one Boozer already got them to.

Of what relevance is the precise minutes mix of players that are going to lose anyway?

Nothing you’re complaining about is of any consequence. Your affections don’t go on banners. The Spurs…the lakers…whoever…were going to wipe the floor with them.

What do you actually get out of changing who starts when the teams ceiling was reached exactly the way Sloan played it?

What do you get for “Better”(in your opinion) in a world where your best would be defeat before you get out of the west anyway? And they already did all that?

[Manny98]

Yeah poor Towns playing with another top pick in the draft! Gobert won with Exum, Burke, the other Millsap, Mack, Neto, The Matador, Whiteside, etc. He won with plenty of scrubs and few guys that actually fit around him. He made Hayward and Mitchell into all-stars. You don't become an all-star if your team doesn't win and they didn't win when Gobert wasn't playing. Give Gobert Millsap, Demarre, Hayward, Hill, Conley, Ingles, O'Neale etc. and no one would have wanted to play them
I can't im high AF right now and this made me cry out laughing :roll::roll::roll:

That's genuinely one of the dumbest things I have ever heard on Ish :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

To do…what?

What does anything you’re talking about matter if they can’t beat teams that matter? The ceiling is the same. The one Boozer already got them to.

Of what relevance is the precise minutes mix of players that are going to lose anyway?

Nothing you’re complaining about is of any consequence. Your affections don’t go on banners. The Spurs…the lakers…whoever…were going to wipe the floor with them.

What do you actually get out of changing who starts when the teams ceiling was reached exactly the way Sloan played it?

What do you get for “Better”(in your opinion) in a world where your best would be defeat before you get out of the west anyway? And they already did all that?

what does it matter if they put a better team on the floor and they are more enjoyable to watch with players I like? If The Bum wasn't playing the Jazz aren't going anywhere this year but I would certainly enjoy watching them more. You're the only person I've heard give Boozer the credit for getting them anywhere though. That shit is hilarious! :roll:

[tpols]

boxing lessons?

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

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Big bro needs to hire one of the Gracie Brothers.

Now I know why French were considered cowardly from WW2. They immediately give up under the guise of being diplomatic instead of fighting back.

[Xiao Yao You]

I can't im high AF right now and this made me cry out laughing :roll::roll::roll:

That's genuinely one of the dumbest things I have ever heard on Ish :roll:

Mitchell's first two years his on/off was positive. The 3 years he made the all star team he was a negative every year while Gobert was never a negative. Good luck being an all star without Gobert. Generally you have to win games to be an all-star and they weren't winning without Gobert. Hayward did better though he was a negative the year before his all star year when they had a lot less talent and Gobert missed 20 games. He wasn't as good as Gobert though. Possible he would have been an all-star without Gobert but probably not because they likely still would have been tanking as they'd tried to do the previous 2 years despite Gobert's massive impact. They certainly would have won a lot less games with Favors and Kanter instead of Gobert

[Xiao Yao You]

:roll:

Big bro needs to hire one of the Gracie Brothers.

Now I know why French were considered cowardly from WW2. They immediately give up under the guise of being diplomatic instead of fighting back.

no Gobert has just learned the hard way that he needs to be on the court for his team to win ball games and winning is why he's playing not for the clown show

[Manny98]

Mitchell's first two years his on/off was positive. The 3 years he made the all star team he was a negative every year while Gobert was never a negative. Good luck being an all star without Gobert. Generally you have to win games to be an all-star and they weren't winning without Gobert. Hayward did better though he was a negative the year before his all star year when they had a lot less talent and Gobert missed 20 games. He wasn't as good as Gobert though. Possible he would have been an all-star without Gobert but probably not because they likely still would have been tanking as they'd tried to do the previous 2 years despite Gobert's massive impact. They certainly would have won a lot less games with Favors and Kanter instead of Gobert
You have already proven you don't understand half the stats you're talking about so you're making a fool of yourself bringing up on/off as you only use it when it supports your stupid agenda and ignore it when it doesn't fit your troll narrative

Plenty of players make the all star team with a losing record, Mitchell is talented of enough player where he would have been a star regardless of Gobert :facepalm

Same with Hayward

[Xiao Yao You]

You have already proven you don't understand half the stats you're talking about so you're making a fool of yourself bringing up on/off as you only use it when it supports your stupid agenda and ignore it when it doesn't fit your troll narrative

Plenty of players make the all star team with a losing record, Mitchell is talented of enough player where he would have been a star regardless of Gobert :facepalm

Same with Hayward

at least you finally got it through your skull that they weren't winning without Gobert leading the way. Progress has been made! A real achievement on ISH :cheers:

[Manny98]

at least you finally got it through your skull that they weren't winning without Gobert leading the way. Progress has been made! A real achievement on ISH :cheers:
They weren't winning WITH Gobert either

They were a first round exit team the majority of the years