John Stockton vs. Jason Kidd

[dankok8]

Who was the better player in your eyes?

[FultzNationRISE]

Hey dan. How’s your kok?

As far as the question… IMO these guys are close enough that a reasonable argument could be made for either one. Just comes down to personal preference.

[Akeem34TheDream]

I'd rather have Stockton

[Xiao Yao You]

Stock

[90sgoat]

About the same.

[Thorpesaurous]

Really close. Stockton has a fairly good edge in shooting, even though I think the numbers wound up looking closer than they were in reality, because older Kidd is almost a third player altogether.

But I personally prefer the extra size, defensive versatility, pace, and pressure on the rim Kidd (like the real Kidd from the Mavs, Nets days) brings to the table.

[tpols]

I feel like Kidd would kill Stockton H2H peak for peak. They're both very skilled and high IQ but Jason Kidd was literally the size of an NFL middle linebacker, 6'4 super strong hands almost as big as Shaqs... not the typical lanky basketball build.

While Stockton looked like a high school physics teacher 170 lbs soak and wet. I know people say he was tough but prime Kidd could truck him.

[Xiao Yao You]

I feel like Kidd would kill Stockton H2H peak for peak. They're both very skilled and high IQ but Jason Kidd was literally the size of an NFL middle linebacker, 6'4 super strong hands almost as big as Shaqs... not the typical lanky basketball build.

While Stockton looked like a high school physics teacher 170 lbs soak and wet. I know people say he was tough but prime Kidd could truck him.

would have trucked him and Stockton would have got up smiling

[SouBeachTalents]

I feel like Kidd would kill Stockton H2H peak for peak. They're both very skilled and high IQ but Jason Kidd was literally the size of an NFL middle linebacker, 6'4 super strong hands almost as big as Shaqs... not the typical lanky basketball build.

While Stockton looked like a high school physics teacher 170 lbs soak and wet. I know people say he was tough but prime Kidd could truck him.
What middle linebacker weighs 200 pounds :oldlol:

[MrFonzworth]

Stockton. Simply a better offensive player everywhere on the floor, far more efficient shooter, has much better longevity to go with his insane durability.

[MrFonzworth]

I feel like Kidd would kill Stockton H2H peak for peak. They're both very skilled and high IQ but Jason Kidd was literally the size of an NFL middle linebacker, 6'4 super strong hands almost as big as Shaqs... not the typical lanky basketball build.

While Stockton looked like a high school physics teacher 170 lbs soak and wet. I know people say he was tough but prime Kidd could truck him.

Kidd is trucking who?:yaohappy:


https://youtu.be/W25t7wXLVfw?si=OpOteM9YCk6u-3Og

[Xiao Yao You]

https://stathead.com/basketball/vs/jason-kidd-vs-john-stockton

dominated poor Jason :lol

[90sgoat]

I feel like Kidd would kill Stockton H2H peak for peak. They're both very skilled and high IQ but Jason Kidd was literally the size of an NFL middle linebacker, 6'4 super strong hands almost as big as Shaqs... not the typical lanky basketball build.

While Stockton looked like a high school physics teacher 170 lbs soak and wet. I know people say he was tough but prime Kidd could truck him.

Kidd is definitely the more post-modern point guard.

He wasn't a great shooter, but his size and defense would have make him ideal as the "big wing initiator" today. The lack of paint protection would also make him more effective in scoring.

[MrFonzworth]

https://stathead.com/basketball/vs/jason-kidd-vs-john-stockton

dominated poor Jason :lol

B-but the top of Kidd's head is a few inches taller so he could just truck Stockton:mad:

[Xiao Yao You]

Kidd is definitely the more post-modern point guard.

He wasn't a great shooter, but his size and defense would have make him ideal as the "big wing initiator" today. The lack of paint protection would also make him more effective in scoring.

and modern defenses would have dared him to shoot

[tontoz]

Stockton definitely.

Kidd did develop a decent set shot from 3 but he had no jump shot and didn't finish well inside either. Strong rebounder and defender but that doesn't make up for the big gap on offense.

[dankok8]

I think assists oversell Stockton as a floor general. He and Kidd were comparable decision makers and passers. Stockton was a better shooter and scorer in his prime though, with the efficiency gap pretty large and that's what allowed him to draw the defense and ultimately assist more. Defensively, Kidd was a bit better from watching them but the offensive side of the floor is more important for a PG so I'd go with Stockton.

I made this thread because I felt this is a really close comparison.

[John8204]

Jason Kidd is criminally underrated but I would rank him ahead of guys like Steve Nash and Isiah Thomas.

John Stockton...that guy was the best pure PG in NBA history

[pandiani17]

If you take them individually, I think Stockton is better (better shooter, still performing at 40 years old, etc.). To run a team, however, I think Kidd is the better option. Stockton never had to carry a team in his back like Kidd had to do with those Suns or Nets teams. I don't know if his team would be successful without Karl Malone.

[tpols]

What middle linebacker weighs 200 pounds :oldlol:

I dont believe prime Kidd weighed only 200. Had to be more. I just weighed myself at 210 and I'm way skinnier than he was.

[Xiao Yao You]

If you take them individually, I think Stockton is better (better shooter, still performing at 40 years old, etc.). To run a team, however, I think Kidd is the better option. Stockton never had to carry a team in his back like Kidd had to do with those Suns or Nets teams. I don't know if his team would be successful without Karl Malone.

they were successful before Malone and Stockton. They joined a playoff team.

[tpols]

they were successful before Malone and Stockton. They joined a playoff team.

There's literally 0 chance Stockton could have led those 20 win Net teams to B2B Finals with Kerry Kittles as his 2nd offensive option.

The Jazz weren't even a good defense. Their defensive rank was terrible for a Finals team. Stockton could never lead a #1 ranked defense like Kidd did.

[warriorfan]

What middle linebacker weighs 200 pounds :oldlol:

where did you get that number? lol

[Xiao Yao You]

There's literally 0 chance Stockton could have led those 20 win Net teams to B2B Finals with Kerry Kittles as his 2nd offensive option.

The Jazz weren't even a good defense. Their defensive rank was terrible for a Finals team. Stockton could never lead a #1 ranked defense like Kidd did.

we'll never know but we do know he made guys around him better

[tpols]

we'll never know but we do know he made guys around him better

So did Kidd. He was one of the best floor generals and passers ever. His only weakness was scoring but Stockton was averaging like 10ppg in those Finals losses. He wasn't a good scorer either. But he had a top 5 all time scoring leader on his team to carry that load.

Karl Malone would've been great anywhere. He had one of the best physiques ever was skilled and was tough as nails. Guy scored almost as many points as Jordan and Kareem.

[Xiao Yao You]

So did Kidd. He was one of the best floor generals and passers ever. His only weakness was scoring but Stockton was averaging like 10ppg in those Finals losses. He wasn't a good scorer either. But he had a top 5 all time scoring leader on his team to carry that load.

Karl Malone would've been great anywhere. He had one of the best physiques ever was skilled and was tough as nails. Guy scored almost as many points as Jordan and Kareem.

My guess is everyone around Stockton would have gotten more shots and scored more if he was there. Stockton may have taken on a larger scoring role too. They would have still been in an awful conference and played D.

Stockton and Malone would have been great anywhere. Kidd would have still been a guy that thought he could shoot but couldn't

This was Stockton and the Jazz at their best. The '88 playoffs against the Lakers. Too bad Jerry didn't like to run

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stockjo01/gamelog/1988#all_pgl_basic_playoffs

[k0kakw0rld]

Jason Kidd it's not even close lol especially defensively.

https://i.postimg.cc/ryxKms56/Screenshot-20231118-105401-Chrome.jpg (https://postimg.cc/vD8Q2QPX)

[Xiao Yao You]

The only thing I could really see is they'd need to pick up the rebounding without Kidd

[tpols]

My guess is everyone around Stockton would have gotten more shots and scored more if he was there. Stockton may have taken on a larger scoring role too. They would have still been in an awful conference and played D.

Stockton and Malone would have been great anywhere. Kidd would have still been a guy that thought he could shoot but couldn't

This was Stockton and the Jazz at their best. The '88 playoffs against the Lakers. Too bad Jerry didn't like to run

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stockjo01/gamelog/1988#all_pgl_basic_playoffs


For somebody that reps defense as much as you do your take on Jason Kidd is amazing to me. He took a 20 win team bottom ranked defense and made them #1 ranked in the whole league east and west conference combined.

The Jazz when they got beat by MJ in the Finals were the 17th ranked defense. :roll:

Where was Stocktons defensive impact? We know he was Scrappy as a little dude but what was the impact?



Talking about passing it around and everyone would've gotten more shots with Stockton on those Nets teams.... who? Was he gonna turn Kerry kittles or Kenyon Martin into Karl Malone?

Larger scoring role? He was a 10-15 ppg scorer at best. With no one to pass it to and the defense keying in on him instead of Karl his efficiency would plummet especially at high volumes.

Your whole take here is off bro. Idk how a gobert fan can hate on Kidd shit does blow my mind. :lol

[Reggie43]

Who was the best team Kidd had to beat in those Finals runs? Pierce/Walker Celts? or Pistons without Rasheed?

[Xiao Yao You]

For somebody that reps defense as much as you do your take on Jason Kidd is amazing to me. He took a 20 win team bottom ranked defense and made them #1 ranked in the whole league east and west conference combined.

The Jazz when they got beat by MJ in the Finals were the 17th ranked defense. :roll:

Where was Stocktons defensive impact? We know he was Scrappy as a little dude but what was the impact?



Talking about passing it around and everyone would've gotten more shots with Stockton on those Nets teams.... who? Was he gonna turn Kerry kittles or Kenyon Martin into Karl Malone?

Larger scoring role? He was a 10-15 ppg scorer at best. With no one to pass it to and the defense keying in on him instead of Karl his efficiency would plummet especially at high volumes.

Your whole take here is off bro. Idk how a gobert fan can hate on Kidd shit does blow my mind. :lol

that was the narrative at the time that Kidd took the same team Marbury couldn't win with but of course it wasn't the same team. Kind of like rookie Carmelo trying to take all the credit for the Nuggets improving when it wasn't the same team

When the Jazz got beat by the Bulls Stockton was old. Sadly the Jazz wasted his and Malone's best years before they put their best team around them which was still a very flawed team still coached by the same guy. How many times would the Jazz have came out of the east if they'd been playing against the competition the Nets or AI's Sixers did? You're overrating finals appearances when they teams they beat weren't nothing special. Gobert's resume would certainly look a lot better if they'd been in the east as well for that matter

No one's saying Kenyon was going to Karl Malone. How can someone shit on a guy that shot below 40% yet thought he was a scorer? Seriously? How can one not! :lol

[tpols]

The Nets used to sweep Detroit in the playoffs at Auburn Hills. And barely lost to them when Kidd was a little older and the Pistons were crushing LA and almost beat San Antonio if not for Robert Horry. They could hang.

Yea... Stockton and Karl Malone would've beat Kidds competition. But Stockton and Kerry Kittles?

https://media.tenor.com/nl2iUgRdwloAAAAM/laughing-michael-jordan.gif

Cmon champ. You're better than this. :lol

[Xiao Yao You]

The Nets used to sweep Detroit. And barely lost to them when Kidd was a little older and the Pistons were crushing LA and almost beat San Antonio if not for Robert Horry. They could hang.

Yea... Stockton and Karl Malone could've beat Kidds competition. But Stockton and Kerry Kittles?

https://media.tenor.com/nl2iUgRdwloAAAAM/laughing-michael-jordan.gif

Cmon champ. You're better than this. :lol

It wasn't just Kittles. Would have been a different and younger coach running the Princeton offense not Dick Motta's offense. We already know Stockton and Jarron Collins together. Jason was pretty much the same player just made a lot more money

[k0kakw0rld]

Who was the best team Kidd had to beat in those Finals runs? Pierce/Walker Celts? or Pistons without Rasheed?
Who did Kidd had next to him as a running mate? Kenyon Martin? Richard Jefferson, lmaooo

[Reggie43]

Who did Kidd had next to him as a running mate? Kenyon Martin? Richard Jefferson, lmaooo

Would you rather have Antoine on your team then? Yeah I dont think so lol

[k0kakw0rld]

I'd rather have Stockton

Hell nah

[k0kakw0rld]

Would you rather have Antoine on your team then? Yeah I dont think so lol

I think none of the players I mentioned above are better than. Karl Malone. Imagine the pairing of Kidd and Duncan happened.it was going to be over for the league.

Kidd is a faaaaar better player, offensively, and especially defensively. Y'all are crazy lmao

Most of y'all weren't even born to witness Stockton play, stop the cap.

[Xiao Yao You]

Who did Kidd had next to him as a running mate? Kenyon Martin? Richard Jefferson, lmaooo

rookie Jefferson was better than any 3 and D wing Stockton ever played with

[Xiao Yao You]

I think none of the players I mentioned above are better than. Karl Malone. Imagine the pairing of Kidd and Duncan happened.it was going to be over for the league.

Kidd is a faaaaar better player, offensively, and especially defensively. Y'all are crazy lmao

Most of y'all weren't even born to witness Stockton play, stop the cap.

none of them are better than Stockton or Malone. The problem with the Jazz is what they put around those guys for most of their careers. Kidd was not better offensively. He had more size defensively and rebounded. That's the only place you say Stockton couldn't have replaced him

I remember the day Stockton was drafted and remember my jaw dropping the first time I saw him play because he was so good. Never forget the show he put on against the defending champion Lakers when they had them beat before Layden and Ivaroni threw away the series

[tontoz]

Stocktons career TS is literally 10% better than Kidds. Kidd couldn't score off the dribble worth a damn. The only thing he did reasonably well scoringwise was his 3pt set shot. Other that that he sucked.

[Xiao Yao You]

Stocktons career TS is literally 10% better than Kidds. Kidd couldn't score off the dribble worth a damn. The only thing he did reasonably well scoringwise was his 3pt set shot. Other that that he sucked.

He was good in transition but Stockton was incredible in transition before Sloan decided to concentrate on the half court game when he took over. Jazz always lacked great athletes around Stockton and Malone as well which Jefferson and Martin certainly were

[k0kakw0rld]

none of them are better than Stockton or Malone. The problem with the Jazz is what they put around those guys for most of their careers. Kidd was not better offensively. He had more size defensively and rebounded. That's the only place you say Stockton couldn't have replaced him

I remember the day Stockton was drafted and remember my jaw dropping the first time I saw him play because he was so good. Never forget the show he put on against the defending champion Lakers when they had them beat before Layden and Ivaroni threw away the series
Offense isn't only about your ability to make shots. Despite all of his assists, the better playmaker is Kidd. The ability to make average players look much better than they were.

[Xiao Yao You]

Offense isn't only about your ability to make shots. Despite all of his assists, the better playmaker is Kidd. The ability to make average players look much better than they were.

:roll:

sounds like you're the one that didn't see Stockton play