Can someone explain to me how a 39 year old LeBron is still better than AD?

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-oxm0fO2wc

[1987_Lakers]

How Sway??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RcAzPMhdB0

[3ba11]

That doesn't compare to MJ dropping 45 against the conference champs (Nets) or 51 against the Hornets (made 2nd Round) in back-to-back games

MJ's peak is superior at every age

[1987_Lakers]

That doesn't compare to MJ dropping 45 against the conference champs (Nets) or 51 against the Hornets (made 2nd Round) in back-to-back games

MJ's peak is superior at every age

Weak East. Nets 2nd best player was Kenyon Martin. Some Finals team that was. :lol

[sdot_thadon]

That doesn't compare to MJ dropping 45 against the conference champs (Nets) or 51 against the Hornets (made 2nd Round) in back-to-back games

MJ's peak is superior at every age

Difference is Lebron is doing this with 6 more season and like 14k more minutes than Mj did. That mileage/performance ratio is goat.

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/w4eHdC5jGJI

[3ba11]

Difference is Lebron is doing this with 6 more season and like 14k more minutes than Mj did. That mileage/performance ratio is goat.


The extra minutes means literally nothing compared to MJ taking time off as an older man and atrophying - MJ would've been more dominant at 38 if he never took time off - that's a fact that anyone who played knows very well - you can't take years off in your 30's on 2 different occasions without experiencing significant atrophy of muscles and that's exactly what we saw each time that he returned - his athleticism in 95' or 02' was a SHELL of the previous iteration of him... the breaks HURT him, not helped - this is proven by his vastly reduced athleticism, whereas Lebron has been able to keep his muscles fresh and gilled up the whole time

[3ba11]

The extra minutes means literally nothing compared to MJ taking time off as an older man and atrophying - MJ would've been more dominant at 38 if he never took time off - that's a fact that anyone who played knows very well - you can't take years off in your 30's on 2 different occasions without experiencing significant atrophy of muscles and that's exactly what we saw each time that he returned - his athleticism in 95' or 02' was a SHELL of the previous iteration of him... the breaks HURT him, not helped - this is proven by his vastly reduced athleticism each time he returned, whereas Lebron has been able to keep his muscles fresh and gilled up the whole time


any response to the bolded above?

[sdot_thadon]

The extra minutes means literally nothing compared to MJ taking time off as an older man and atrophying - MJ would've been more dominant at 38 if he never took time off - that's a fact that anyone who played knows very well - you can't take years off in your 30's on 2 different occasions without experiencing significant atrophy of muscles and that's exactly what we saw each time that he returned - his athleticism in 95' or 02' was a SHELL of the previous iteration of him... the breaks HURT him, not helped - this is proven by his vastly reduced athleticism, whereas Lebron has been able to keep his muscles fresh and gilled up the whole time
And, whose fault you think that is? Can't penalize Lebron because Mj wasn't as dedicated or took as good care of his body.

[1987_Lakers]

Peja already proved you wrong.

[Phoenix]

Whatever happened to Peja BTW? Him and 3nutball going at it got us through the offseason.

[3ba11]

And, whose fault you think that is? Can't penalize Lebron because Mj wasn't as dedicated or took as good care of his body.


Lebron said he's chasing a ghost, so that's a big reason he's still playing and keeping his muscles fresh..

Otoh, MJ achieved goat winning each time before his retirements and was considered the consensus GOAT each time, so there were no more challenges.

Lebron would probably take time off too and pursue other interests if he had that level of domination, but instead he needs MOAR HALP every single year.. If he was anywhere near as good as you say he is, he wouldn't need so much help every year or have perennial underdogs regardless of cast..

it's absurd because people think the Lakers should trade AD but for who exactly?.. what would be an upgrade?... Jokic? Giannis? This is the level of help Lebron needs and it's pathetic and confirms that he's vastly overrated.

[1987_Lakers]

Whatever happened to Peja BTW? Him and 3nutball going at it got us through the offseason.

He was around alot during the summer, it got so bad that 3ball started to avoid this forum because he couldn't handle him. 3ball slowly came back once Peja stopped posting. :oldlol:

[3ba11]

people think the Lakers should trade AD but for who exactly?.. what would be an upgrade?... Jokic? Giannis?

This is the level of help Lebron needs and it's pathetic and confirms that he's vastly overrated.

how in the hell could he win with pippen's trash stats if he can't win with AD's all-time stats and barely won with Wade/Bosh or Kyrie/Love?.. it's absurd how much more help Lebron-ball needs

[sdot_thadon]

Lebron said he's chasing a ghost, so that's a big reason he's still playing and keeping his muscles fresh..

Otoh, MJ achieved goat winning each time before his retirements and was considered the consensus GOAT each time, so there were no more challenges.

Lebron would probably take time off too and pursue other interests if he had that level of domination, but instead he needs MOAR HALP every single year.. If he was anywhere near as good as you say he is, he wouldn't need so much help every year or have perennial underdogs regardless of cast..

it's absurd because people think the Lakers should trade AD but for who exactly?.. what would be an upgrade?... Jokic? Giannis? This is the level of help Lebron needs and it's pathetic and confirms that he's vastly overrated.

You can avoid the question, it speaks louder than trying to refute it.

[Wally450]

AD is a fringe star, never mind superstar.

[j3lademaster]

Difference is Lebron is doing this with 6 more season and like 14k more minutes than Mj did. That mileage/performance ratio is goat.
The problem with that argument is that you’re acting like MJ did nothing in college or baseball. Especially baseball, because he was trying to develop pro-level skill at short notice. There were numerous accounts of him spending countless hours at the batting cages, statements like this are very disengenuous. Lebron’s longevity is already better than Jordan’s. It’s obvious to anyone sane, no need to cheapen it by saying things like that.

[sdot_thadon]

The problem with that argument is that you’re acting like MJ did nothing in college or baseball. Especially baseball, because he was trying to develop pro-level skill at short notice. There were numerous accounts of him spending countless hours at the batting cages, statements like this are very disengenuous. Lebron’s longevity is already better than Jordan’s. It’s obvious to anyone sane, no need to cheapen it by saying things like that.

That's fair, I'm just stating the facts to someone trying to downlplay the reality of the situation. I'd say though, even including those factors as if they were nba seasons, he still hasn't approached Lebron's run time, it's that crazy.

[eliteballer]

With or without steroids?

[Axe]

He was around alot during the summer, it got so bad that 3ball started to avoid this forum because he couldn't handle him. 3ball slowly came back once Peja stopped posting. :oldlol:
:lol

[Hey Yo]

The extra minutes means literally nothing compared to MJ taking time off as an older man and atrophying - MJ would've been more dominant at 38 if he never took time off - that's a fact that anyone who played knows very well - you can't take years off in your 30's on 2 different occasions without experiencing significant atrophy of muscles and that's exactly what we saw each time that he returned - his athleticism in 95' or 02' was a SHELL of the previous iteration of him... the breaks HURT him, not helped - this is proven by his vastly reduced athleticism, whereas Lebron has been able to keep his muscles fresh and gilled up the whole time
:roll:

[red1]

AD is the 2nd best big man in the league


all will be forgiven if he shows up in may and june


he was good last year

[red1]

lebron and AD are both fringe top 5 this year


there are maybe 3 or 4 guys you'd take for sure and then they're right there with anyone in the league


Im taking them over anyone not named jokic giannis or embiid

[SouBeachTalents]

AD is the 2nd best big man in the league


all will be forgiven if he shows up in may and june


he was good last year
Better than Giannis? Hell nah bruh :lol

[red1]

Better than Giannis? Hell nah bruh :lol

giannis is a center pretending to be a SF


I didnt count him :pimp:

[3ba11]

:roll:


How can anyone think that the breaks helped MJ when his athleticism was drastically-reduced each time he returned?.. The breaks in his 30's clearly HURT him based on the massive drop in his athleticism each time he returned.

Meanwhile, Lebron's muscles avoid the atrophy that Jordan experienced by staying fresh and fully-gilled each year, which avoids the major drops that Jordan experienced by taking long breaks in his 30's.

[red1]

How can anyone think that the breaks helped MJ when his athleticism was drastically-reduced each time he returned?.. The breaks in his 30's clearly HURT him based on the massive drop in his athleticism each time he returned.

Meanwhile, Lebron's muscles avoid the atrophy that Jordan experienced by staying fresh and fully-gilled each year, which avoids the major drops that Jordan experienced by taking long breaks in his 30's.

shut the **** up 3ball




for gods sake

[3ba11]

shut the **** up 3ball




for gods sake


Muscles don't start to atrophy until your 30's, so it's a simple question that you could've ventured to answer rather than melting down:

How can anyone think that the breaks helped MJ when his athleticism was drastically-reduced each time he returned?.. The breaks in his 30's clearly HURT him based on the massive drop in his athleticism each time he returned.

Meanwhile, Lebron's muscles avoid the atrophy that Jordan experienced by staying fresh and fully-gilled each year, which avoids the major drops that Jordan experienced by taking long breaks in his 30's.

[red1]

Muscles don't start to atrophy until your 30's, so it's a simple question that you could've ventured to answer rather than melting down:

How can anyone think that the breaks helped MJ when his athleticism was drastically-reduced each time he returned?.. The breaks in his 30's clearly HURT him based on the massive drop in his athleticism each time he returned.

Meanwhile, Lebron's muscles avoid the atrophy that Jordan experienced by staying fresh and fully-gilled each year, which avoids the major drops that Jordan experienced by taking long breaks in his 30's.

get out


this is not a baldan thread





nothing to do with baldan in fact

[red1]

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[Hey Yo]

How can anyone think that the breaks helped MJ when his athleticism was drastically-reduced each time he returned?.. The breaks in his 30's clearly HURT him based on the massive drop in his athleticism each time he returned.

Meanwhile, Lebron's muscles avoid the atrophy that Jordan experienced by staying fresh and fully-gilled each year, which avoids the major drops that Jordan experienced by taking long breaks in his 30's.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2890001-michael-jordan-was-way-past-exhausted-after-3rd-straight-nba-title-in-1993

Are you calling him a liar when he said he was exhausted in 93 and 98?

[red1]

That doesn't compare to MJ dropping 45 against the conference champs (Nets) or 51 against the Hornets (made 2nd Round) in back-to-back games

MJ's peak is superior at every age

shut the **** up you flaming raging homosexual

[3ba11]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2890001-michael-jordan-was-way-past-exhausted-after-3rd-straight-nba-title-in-1993

Are you calling him a liar when he said he was exhausted in 93 and 98?


Everyone is exhausted after winning a title, let alone a 3-peat.. But that doesn't mean they have to quit - if Jordan had lost, he would never have quit - he would've trudged onwards just like 2011 Kobe or 2014 Wade after their failed 3-peat attempts.

The reason he quit is because he DIDN'T lose and achieved goat winning (no more challenges, as he says in the "Above and Beyond" video).. He says that he asked Phil to provide a challenge and Phil couldbn't provide one, so he retired.. Are you calling him a liar?