There's no 13-yr period of Lebron that sniffs MJ's Bulls' career (reference purposes)

[3ba11]

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85-98' Jordan (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1985-1998-sum:advanced):..... 29.1 PER... 10.2 BPM... 0.274 WS/48... 110.5 VORP.. 58.0 TS*... 120 ORTG.. 32/6/5
08-20' Lebron (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2008-2020-sum:advanced)...... 28.7 PER.,,.. 9.6 BPM... 0.253 WS/48... 104.5 VORP.. 60.1 TS* .. 118 ORTG.. 27/8/8


* expert jumpshooting & ball movement vs ball-domination and weaker brand of ball/teams


Despite getting nearly 2 seasons head start from MJ's baseball seasons, Lebron still has lower Value Above Replacement, a minutes-based stat

In addition to the massive deficit in Value Above Replacement, Lebron has deficits in WS/48, BPM, and PER, despite far less usage or PPG (burden)

[sdot_thadon]

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85-98' Jordan (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1985-1998-sum:advanced):..... 29.1 PER... 10.2 BPM... 0.274 WS/48... 110.5 VORP.. 58.0 TS*... 120 ORTG.. 32/6/5
08-20' Lebron (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2008-2020-sum:advanced)...... 28.7 PER.,,.. 9.6 BPM... 0.253 WS/48... 104.5 VORP.. 60.1 TS* .. 118 ORTG.. 27/8/8


* jumpshooting & ball movement vs ball-domination and weaker brand of ball, aka lower strategic capacity/team assists, teammate development and chemistry (thus yielding lower team ceilings/Finals records & perennial underdog status)

Claims there's no 13 year period close and in the OP immediately posts stats sniffing each other. You can't be this stupid bro.

[3ba11]

Claims there's no 13 year period close and in the OP immediately posts stats sniffing each other. You can't be this stupid bro.


Despite averaging 5 more PPG, Jordan still had better efficiency per possession and Player Efficiency Rating, while having sizable gaps in BPM and WS/48, and VORP, especially considering MJ gave 2 seasons away (VORP is based on minutes and games played).. you're forgetting this includes Jordan's 95' season and injury 86' season, which brought his stats down a lot, yet he still has sizable gaps over Lebron

[Axe]

How 'bout '94 jordan?

[sdot_thadon]

Claims there's no 13 year period close and in the OP immediately posts stats sniffing each other. You can't be this stupid bro.

Again.

[3ba11]

How 'bout '94 jordan?


Despite giving that season away, Jordan still had higher Value Above Replacement than Lebron (VORP is based on minutes and games played)..

So even with a full season head start, Lebron still has vastly lower Value Above Replacement

[Axe]

And that same year the bulls had more wins than they did the following season when he returned.

[3ba11]

And that same year the bulls had more wins than they did the following season when he returned.


They weren't a real 50-win team like we saw in the playoffs or following season - any team with Pippen as the best player will fall out of contention QUICKLY due to lack of talent as we saw in 95'

[3ba11]

Claims there's no 13 year period close and in the OP immediately posts stats sniffing each other. You can't be this stupid bro.


Despite nearly 2 seasons head start from MJ's baseball stint, Lebron still has lower Value Above Replacement, a minutes-based stat

In addition to the massive deficit in Value Above Replacement, Lebron has deficits in WS/48, BPM, and PER, despite far less usage or PPG (burden)

[Axe]

They weren't a real 50-win team like we saw in the playoffs or following season - any team with Pippen as the best player will fall out of contention QUICKLY due to lack of talent as we saw in 95'
And jordan without him had a losing record plus first round exits. Try harder, andrew. :sleeping

[StrongLurk]

OP has made this thread a million times.

He wouldn't dare do the same thing for Lebron and Kobe...or Lebron vs anyone else besides MJ.

[SouBeachTalents]

OP has made this thread a million times.

He wouldn't dare do the same thing for Lebron and Kobe...or Lebron vs anyone else besides MJ.
Good points, lets see him do this with the guys he has ranked ahead of LeBron. Let's see how quickly he changes the criteria :lol

[3ba11]

Good points, lets see him do this with the guys he has ranked ahead of LeBron. Let's see how quickly he changes the criteria :lol


They don't have the statistical advantage, but they have the winning advantage and skillset advantage that yields greater chemistry, and teams/Finals records.. So they have all the advantages aside from the stats or media accolade that Jordan has

As much help as Lebron-ball needs, the only way it's possible is if the league basically colludes to re-make his team every year.. They must not realize after 2 decades that his brand of ball yields perennial underdogs regardless of cast

[SouBeachTalents]

Good points, lets see him do this with the guys he has ranked ahead of LeBron. Let's see how quickly he changes the criteria :lol
Turns out within the first sentence.

[3ba11]

Turns out within the first sentence.


winning matters and Jordan wouldn't be better than Lebron if he was 3/6 in the Finals

Fortunately, his skillset yields better teams than that

[SouBeachTalents]

winning matters and Jordan wouldn't be better than Lebron if he was 3/6 in the Finals

Fortunately, his skillset yields better teams than that
So you've just confirmed you're a moron who judges players solely on rings & Finals record. Nice.

[Axe]

winning matters and Jordan wouldn't be better than Lebron if he was 3/6 in the Finals

Fortunately, his skillset yields better teams than that
Speaking of winning, scottie pippen was the most winning player in the 90s. Rs and playoffs combined.

[3ba11]

So you've just confirmed you're a moron who judges players solely on rings & Finals record. Nice.


any 10-year sample is a big sample of games to see how many great teams the player had or perennial favorites or #1 offenses or jhgh-assist teams or Finals record/team ceilings

so 20 years of perennial underdogs regardless of cast or zero young player development into meaningful player is enough for us to know that he's overrated.. the bron-ball aau skillset is a simpleton brand that ties coach's hands and perpetually needs more help as everyone slowly becomes cpot-up shooter alongside his big-man ball-dominanct skilllset and lack of expert jumpshooting skill

[8Ball]

Can other Jordan stans help 3ball out in this thread?


He's fighting a losing battle on his own here.

[red1]

:roll: :roll:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTnwaVtTfQ0&ab_channel=A.M.Hoops
https://i.postimg.cc/k5pXdN5h/Rivalry-Decade.jpg

[Xiao Yao You]

Starks is comparable to someone like Dillon Brooks.

[red1]

this is how you destroy OP guys - he always argues that jordan was a 1-man team and could carry any team to a ring


in reality the bulls were so stacked they could win 55-games without baldan - I always spam this for his reaction :oldlol::

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1994.html


complete opposite of what OP preaches - thats why he hates pippen aka "mr. 55-wins" so much :oldlol:


OP is an easy checkmate. dont fall for his shit. : )



Starks is comparable to someone like Dillon Brooks.

love dillon brooks thats my guy

[Xiao Yao You]

this is how you destroy OP guys - he always argues that jordan was a 1-man team and could carry any team to a ring


in reality the bulls were so stacked they could win 55-games without baldan - I always spam this for his reaction :oldlol::

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1994.html


complete opposite of what OP preaches - thats why he hates pippen aka "mr. 55-wins" so much :oldlol:


OP is an easy checkmate. dont fall for his shit. : )




love dillon brooks thats my guy

probably be a hell of a grocery bagger!

[FromDowntown]

Claims there's no 13 year period close and in the OP immediately posts stats sniffing each other. You can't be this stupid bro.

he is a bron fan its obvious at this point

[3ba11]

he is a bron fan its obvious at this point


Jordan's baseball gave Lebron 2 extra seasons yet Jordan still had higher value above replacement (a minutes-based stat)

So the gap is significant

Jordan also achieved higher Player Efficiency Rating despite MUCH higher burden (ppg, usage, BPM, WS)

All this while employing a vastly superior brand of ball that won much more with much less

[k0kakw0rld]

LeBron never had 2 top 75 players playing next to him (in their prime).

Brought guys like Boobie Gibson, Donyell Marshall, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Jordan Clarkson, Larry Nance Jr to finals. At 22 he already had a taste of the finals.

MJ could never.

[3ba11]

So you've just confirmed you're a moron who judges players solely on rings & Finals record. Nice.


Favorite status, regular season record and Finals record are reflections of how good a team that a player yields

So Lebron's 1 sixty win season in 7 years of super-teams, or perennial underdog status regardless of cast (underdog to baby Westbrick or fossil Duncan), or horrific Finals record show that he isn't capable of towering favorites, sure things or great dynasties REGARDLESS OF CAST

carry on

TLDR: if you aren't capable of great team regardless of cast then you suck or are at least vastly overrated

[warriorfan]

:roll: :roll:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTnwaVtTfQ0&ab_channel=A.M.Hoops
https://i.postimg.cc/k5pXdN5h/Rivalry-Decade.jpg

kurt warner worked bagging groceries and then dominated the league and won the super bowl

if you want to use that and say the NFL had weak competition in the late 90’s early 00’s then yeah.

you off some different shit

[Full Court]

Jordan accomplished far more than Lebron did in half the time. That's why he's consensus GOAT.

Deal with it, Bronie fluffers.

[sdot_thadon]

he is a bron fan its obvious at this point

Either that or just a glutton cod for punishment.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Lol, 3ball is like a cockroach after a nuclear holocaust. Anyone else would’ve had too much shame to come back after enduring the humiliation he did in the infamous “Nuggets defence” thread. Amazing resilience.

[Axe]

Lol, 3ball is like a cockroach after a nuclear holocaust. Anyone else would’ve had too much shame to come back after enduring the humiliation he did in the infamous “Nuggets defence” thread. Amazing resilience.
True. Wc back btw.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

True. Wc back btw.

:cheers:

[StrongLurk]

Lol, 3ball is like a cockroach after a nuclear holocaust. Anyone else would’ve had too much shame to come back after enduring the humiliation he did in the infamous “Nuggets defence” thread. Amazing resilience.

It's not resilience. It's mental illness.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

It's not resilience. It's mental illness.

Yeah, I’m polishing turds here I suppose. Still morbidly impressive in its own way.

[Full Court]

OP is right in that MJ's peak far and away exceeds LeShrivel's peak. Did MJ have multiple epic choke jobs in his prime? No, he did not.

No matter how much Snippy and stinky boy want to deny it, they know deep down it's true.

Truth sure does hurt.

:lebroncry:

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

OP is right in that MJ's peak far and away exceeds LeShrivel's peak. Did MJ have multiple epic choke jobs in his prime? No, he did not.

No matter how much Snippy and stinky boy want to deny it, they know deep down it's true.

Truth sure does hurt.

:lebroncry:


In the plainest of terms: I believe Michael Jordan is the GOAT of basketball, that his peak was a bit better than LeBron’s, and that LBJ’s choke in ‘11 is the biggest blot on either of their careers.


You can continue to claim I “deny” things I’ve actually stated explicitly…but it won’t make the fact of no attractive woman ever touching you for free hurt any less lol. Ball-washing 3ball ain’t gonna simulate a females touch, I’m sorry to say.

[Axe]

You can continue to claim I “deny” things I’ve actually stated explicitly…but it won’t make the fact of no attractive woman ever touching you for free hurt any less lol. Ball-washing 3ball ain’t gonna simulate a females touch, I’m sorry to say.
:roll: (https://i.ibb.co/JmpGnKz/IMG-20230528-095117.jpg)

[8Ball]

3ball being the biggest retard on this forum and getting ball washed by the 2nd biggest retard is a sight to see. :roll:

[kawhileonard2]

Jordan has as many accolades combined as Lebron and KD despite playing less seasons and turning a franchise that never won into a dynasty.

[Full Court]

In the plainest of terms: I believe Michael Jordan is the GOAT of basketball, that his peak was a bit better than LeBron’s, and that LBJ’s choke in ‘11 is the biggest blot on either of their careers.


You can continue to claim I “deny” things I’ve actually stated explicitly…but it won’t make the fact of no attractive woman ever touching you for free hurt any less lol. Ball-washing 3ball ain’t gonna simulate a females touch, I’m sorry to say.

I'm glad we're in agreement then.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia1.tenor.com%2Fimages%2F5d36c e0ed4885aac7b47cdae770fa137%2Ftenor.gif%3Fitemid%3 D5084078&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=8aa8f555f945d0ef4dc955843facfbfd5c861a1fd626bb a721ea8f7c48f6a3c1&ipo=images

[1987_Lakers]

In the plainest of terms: I believe Michael Jordan is the GOAT of basketball, that his peak was a bit better than LeBron’s, and that LBJ’s choke in ‘11 is the biggest blot on either of their careers.


You can continue to claim I “deny” things I’ve actually stated explicitly…but it won’t make the fact of no attractive woman ever touching you for free hurt any less lol. Ball-washing 3ball ain’t gonna simulate a females touch, I’m sorry to say.
Holy shit :roll:

[Full Court]

Holy shit :roll:

His first paragraph already shows that he's levels above you in IQ.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmma-user-upload.mixedmartialarts.com%2F2019-01%2Fblack-kid-gif-2.gif&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=deb019bdc6974d90221fc58e03e070fc672bc8413143b6 b2559e0feb0391066a&ipo=images

[1987_Lakers]

https://media.tenor.com/a-leqYHOjdEAAAAC/virgin.gif

Ok, I'll take it easy on you.

[SouBeachTalents]

Ok, I'll take it easy on you.
She lives in Canada, he met her at Niagara Falls, you wouldn't know her.

[ELITEpower23]

:roll: :roll:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTnwaVtTfQ0&ab_channel=A.M.Hoops
https://i.postimg.cc/k5pXdN5h/Rivalry-Decade.jpg


Body bagged his ass :lol

[Axe]

Ok, I'll take it easy on you.
:oldlol:

[kawhileonard2]

This

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher

Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED

Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.


Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499786-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Gobert-and-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500431-Lakers-were-1-in-Preseason-Odds-in-2021-and-Suns-were-14
Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html

And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron. :confusedshrug:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500416-Why-did-Pelinka-surround-Lebron-with-a-bullshit-roster
He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer.

Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?459570-How-is-it-even-possible-to-lose-to-Dwight-Howard-in-a-series-with-HCA/page10? Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head

Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron


Devin Booker broke Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500264-Devin-Booker-broke-Lebron&p=14500724


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503966-3ball-why-can-LeBron-win-with-Irving-but-KD-can-t&p=14584482#post14584482

Lebron won bronze medal twice and lost with HCA 3x. Jordan only won gold medal and never lost with HCA. Prove me wrong!

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500440-Russell-Westbrook-leading-the-league-in-Triple-Doubles-Thus-far-in-2022-Season
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/triple-double-leaders-2021-2022-stats

Expected Championships Won and Titles Over Expected
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500379-Expected-Championships-Won-and-Titles-Over-Expected/page3&p=14503600


How did LeBron go 10-16 vs Kawhi? 7-12 vs Shaq? 17-23 vs Curry?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500334-How-did-LeBron-go-10-16-vs-Kawhi-7-12-vs-Shaq-17-23-vs-Curry

Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497028-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-1&p=14426360&viewfull=1#post14426360


Difference between Lebron and Tmac?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494830-Difference-between-Lebron-and-Tmac
Both 0-2 with HCA against 50+ win teams until they joined forces with someone who won as the man. Also won bronze medals.

Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.



LeBron's message that makes the NBA shake: A storm is coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500734-LeBron-s-message-that-makes-the-NBA-shake-A-storm-is-coming

https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports/2021/04/09/6070b833ca47418e588b45e9.html


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?480740-Vasileios-Spanoulis-gt-gt-gt-Lebron-James
Outplayed Lebron in FIBA and caused America to get another bronze medal and then Greece got spanked in Gold medal final.:oldlol:

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/A/grid/75/rid/5152/sid/3507/_/2006_FIBA_World_Championship/statistic.html


First Time Ever a team with 2 guys who won MVP missed the playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503543-First-Time-Ever-a-team-with-2-guys-who-won-MVP-missed-the-playoffs


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503981-Why-does-Lebron-have-2-bronze-medals-while-KD-only-has-gold-medals&p=14584371#post14584371

https://media0.giphy.com/media/l0ErLeqamV3UOARsA/giphy.gif[/QUOTE]

[Full Court]

Ok, I'll take it easy on you.

I'll bet Snippy knew that Sabonis made the all star team too. :roll:

[RogueBorg]

She lives in Canada, he met her at Niagara Falls, you wouldn't know her.


https://youtu.be/K9UxiynPxI8

[3ba11]

So you've just confirmed you're a moron who judges players solely on rings & Finals record. Nice.


Lebron's weak-jumpshooting and ball-dominant skillset yields weak teams - can you understand that?.. That's the historical record.

His weak regular season records, constant underdog status in the Finals and weak Finals record are all reflections of the weak and underperforming teams that he yields - how is this hard to understand?..

2 decades shows that his skillset has weak fits with most players like Ingram, Westbrook, Hughes, Love and many more - it yields crap chemistry, strategy and zero teammate development, so he has weak and underperforming teams that need more help ALL YEAR LONG.. So quit playing dumb and wake up to the fact that your hero is vastly overrated and therefore a fraud.. Accept that you fell for a fraud - the first step is admitting it.

[Axe]

3ball being the biggest retard on this forum and getting ball washed by the 2nd biggest retard is a sight to see. :roll:
:roll: