Top 8 Centers in the league currently

[iamgine]

In order:

1. Jokic
2. Embiid
3. Sengun
4. Porzingis
5. Sabonis
6. Holmgren
7. Adebayo
8. Davis

[Xiao Yao You]

Defensive rating NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 103.2 (1st)

Defensive win shares 2023-24 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 1.1 (2nd)

Defensive rebounds 2023-24 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 119 (8th)

Offensive rebounds 2023-24 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 57 (4th)

Rebounds per game 11.7 (4th)

tOTAL REBOUNDS 23-24 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 176 (4th)

Total rebound % 2023-24 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 19.9 (6th)

Offensive reobound % 2023-24 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 14.0 (5th)

Top team in west :facepalm

[FultzNationRISE]

Sabonis is clear third.

Second in rebounds, ninth in assists. Among ALL players. While scoring 20 per game on 62%.

[SouBeachTalents]

Defensive rating NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 103.2 (1st)

Defensive win shares 2023-24 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 1.1 (2nd)

Defensive rebounds 2023-24 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 119 (8th)

Offensive rebounds 2023-24 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 57 (4th)

Rebounds per game 11.7 (4th)

tOTAL REBOUNDS 23-24 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 176 (4th)

Total rebound % 2023-24 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 19.9 (6th)

Offensive reobound % 2023-24 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 14.0 (5th)

Top team in west :facepalm
You really are as one note as 3ball :lol

[Xiao Yao You]

You really are as one note as 3ball :lol

defense is half the game so to rank based on just offense makes no sense especially when it results in winning

[Manny98]

1. Jokic
2. Embiid
3. AD
4. Adebayo
5. Porzingis
6. Sabonis
7. Sengun
8. Holmgren

[ShawkFactory]

defense is half the game so to rank based on just offense makes no sense especially when it results in winning

Well where do you rank him then..?

[Xiao Yao You]

Well where do you rank him then..?

Sabonis is one of the worst defenders there is so to say he's 3rd based on one end of the court is ridiculous and I like the guy

[Xiao Yao You]

Rockets, Miami and Lakers aren't much over .500 despite the greatness of their centers. Winning matters

[ShawkFactory]

Sabonis is one of the worst defenders there is so to say he's 3rd based on one end of the court is ridiculous and I like the guy

Regardless of how much value a someone else puts on certain aspects of the game with their rankings…where do you rank Gobert?

[Xiao Yao You]

Regardless of how much value a someone else puts on certain aspects of the game with their rankings…where do you rank Gobert?

I don't. Best defender on best team in the west has to be in the mix over guys that don't play D and their teams are nothing special

[Axe]

Cumbersome role players don't count? Ouch. :ohwell:

[ShawkFactory]

I don't. Best defender on best team in the west has to be in the mix over guys that don't play D and their teams are nothing special

You certainly have a lot to say about rankings for a guy who doesn’t do them himself.

[Xiao Yao You]

Cumbersome role players don't count? Ouch. :ohwell:

when cumbersome role players are the best defender of their generation on one of the best defenses we've seen on the top team in the west they certainly do :facepalm

not to mention his elite rebounding at both ends

[Axe]

Blame op then, not me. :confusedshrug:

[Xiao Yao You]

You certainly have a lot to say about rankings for a guy who doesn’t do them himself.

someone needs to say it. Ranking guys based on offensive stats only is stupid. Edwards has been getting underrated when unlike most guys he actually plays both ends of the court on the best team in the west

[Xiao Yao You]

Blame op then, not me. :confusedshrug:

Op nor anyone else talks about cumbersome bigs ad nauseum

[FultzNationRISE]

Regardless of how much value a someone else puts on certain aspects of the game with their rankings…where do you rank Gobert?


Kind of pointless to even ask tbh. Might as well ask Gobert’s mom where she ranks him.

Even she might give a more impartial take.

[Jasper]

1. Jokic
2. Embiid
3. AD
4. Adebayo
5. Porzingis
6. Sabonis
7. Sengun
8. Holmgren

ad :facepalm


Lopez not on list (bucks land likes this ):oldlol:

[Xiao Yao You]

ad :facepalm


Lopez not on list (bucks land likes this ):oldlol:

come now Lakers are over .500!

[hold this L]

Defensive rating NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 103.2 (1st)

Defensive win shares 2023-24 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 1.1 (2nd)

Defensive rebounds 2023-24 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 119 (8th)

Offensive rebounds 2023-24 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 57 (4th)

Rebounds per game 11.7 (4th)

tOTAL REBOUNDS 23-24 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 176 (4th)

Total rebound % 2023-24 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 19.9 (6th)

Offensive reobound % 2023-24 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 14.0 (5th)

Top team in west :facepalm
6/8 stats are all related to rebounds :lol

[FultzNationRISE]

6/8 stats are all related to rebounds :lol

Bro, Toody is Top 5 in 1st quarter rebounds, Top 5 in 2nd quarter rebounds, Top 5 in 3rd quarter rebounds, Top 5 in 4th quarter rebounds.

So he’s top 5 in four major statistical categories.

So even though he ranks lower than Sabonis in rebounds, and is also nowhere near 20 points and 7 assists per game to boot, he’s better than him.

Because… rebounds.

Toody is better than the guy who rebounds more than him. But also better than everyone else that he rebounds more than.

[beasted]

Defensive rating NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 103.2 (1st)

Defensive win shares 2023-24 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 1.1 (2nd)

Defensive rebounds 2023-24 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 119 (8th)

Offensive rebounds 2023-24 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 57 (4th)

Rebounds per game 11.7 (4th)

tOTAL REBOUNDS 23-24 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 176 (4th)

Total rebound % 2023-24 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 19.9 (6th)

Offensive reobound % 2023-24 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 14.0 (5th)

Top team in west :facepalm

This guy literally listed rebounding 6 times as if they were additional accolades :roll:

He's not 2nd in DWS, he's 25th. His teammate Edwards is 2nd. Gobert's VORP undermines his individual value(79th league-wide and 5th on his own team). This tells us the Wolves are a good collective team and that's why they're 2nd in the league standings.

I'd say he's probably in that 8-10th best Center range and it isn't outlandish he's not in the OPs list.

[beasted]

In order:

1. Jokic
2. Embiid
3. Sengun
4. Porzingis
5. Sabonis
6. Holmgren
7. Adebayo
8. Davis

Your unrealistic mancrush on Sengun is evident. I'd wager to say you have a general bias for a certain level of melanin.

[Xiao Yao You]

6/8 stats are all related to rebounds :lol

best defender in the league on the best defensive team in the league while also being one of the elite rebounders. More than half the game. I realize it's the part of the game that doesn't matter to most

[Xiao Yao You]

Bro, Toody is Top 5 in 1st quarter rebounds, Top 5 in 2nd quarter rebounds, Top 5 in 3rd quarter rebounds, Top 5 in 4th quarter rebounds.

So he’s top 5 in four major statistical categories.

So even though he ranks lower than Sabonis in rebounds, and is also nowhere near 20 points and 7 assists per game to boot, he’s better than him.

Because… rebounds.

Toody is better than the guy who rebounds more than him. But also better than everyone else that he rebounds more than.

Sabonis plays little D so if he was the best offensive player in the league which I'm thinking he's not he's at best on par with the best defender in the league

[FultzNationRISE]

Sabonis plays little D so if he was the best offensive player in the league which I'm thinking he's not he's at best on par with the best defender in the league

Thats not how these things work, but theres no sense trying to convince you.

[Xiao Yao You]

Thats not how these things work, but theres no sense trying to convince you.

I know how they work for the majority. Obviously the results on the court tell a different story though

[FultzNationRISE]

I know how they work for the majority. Obviously the results on the court tell a different story though

So Toody was trash last year?

Ninth place finish in the conference and a first round beat down to a guy who “plays no defense” and won the NBA championship.

Either Toody was trash last year or “but but but nah uhh thats differenttttttttt.”

Just keep adjusting the angles as needed each year so that Toody is never not a top 5 player.

[Xiao Yao You]

So Toody was trash last year?

Ninth place finish in the conference and a first round beat down to a guy who “plays no defense” and won the NBA championship.

Either Toody was trash last year or “but but but nah uhh thats differenttttttttt.”

Just keep adjusting the angles as needed each year so that Toody is never not a top 5 player.

No. The team around him is a lot better and healthier and have all bought in defensively. Jokic plays D otherwise they wouldn't have won it all. What have I adjusted and when did I call him a top 5 player? We're talking top 8 centers. Try staying between the posts

[Xiao Yao You]

as far as rebounding goes Gobert has a higher total rebound and offensive rebound % despite playing next to another big. Sabonis has him on the defensive glass where Kat does most of his work and shares the load with Gobert

[Kblaze8855]

Um….

Jokic
Embiid
Anthony Davis if he counts
Bam
Sabonis
Rudy/KP I can’t call it


Wemby, Chet, and Sengun I’m not informed enough about yet. I’ve seen them all play but not enough to be confident in a ranking right now. Not gonna just throw them somewhere for the sake of a listing.

Id consider putting Brook Lopez as a tie with those last two if he played more and his role didn’t vary so much game to game. He is quite a bit better than his numbers at times.

KAT I don’t know what to do with. We calling him a center?

[Xiao Yao You]

Um….

Jokic
Embiid
Anthony Davis if he counts
Bam
Sabonis
Rudy/KP I can’t call it


Wemby, Chet, and Sengun I’m not informed enough about yet. I’ve seen them all play but not enough to be confident in a ranking right now. Not gonna just throw them somewhere for the sake of a listing.

Id consider putting Brook Lopez as a tie with those last two if he played more and his role didn’t vary so much game to game. He is quite a bit better than his numbers at times.

KAT I don’t know what to do with. We calling him a center?

Towns is a big that rebounds but plays more like a guard. More respectable list. I'm not ready to throw young guys on there just because of hype. The others have been doing it for a long time

[Kblaze8855]

The time they have done it doesn’t matter that much to me. I just don’t feel I know what their games enough to talk about them. The kid on the rockets has shown some nice moves but I never watched that garbage ass team for full games in recent years so I won’t judge yet.

[FultzNationRISE]

Um….

Jokic
Embiid
Anthony Davis if he counts
Bam
Sabonis
Rudy/KP I can’t call it


Wemby, Chet, and Sengun I’m not informed enough about yet. I’ve seen them all play but not enough to be confident in a ranking right now. Not gonna just throw them somewhere for the sake of a listing.

Id consider putting Brook Lopez as a tie with those last two if he played more and his role didn’t vary so much game to game. He is quite a bit better than his numbers at times.

KAT I don’t know what to do with. We calling him a center?


Stop. Okay? Just stop.

STOP.

Stop what you're doin.

Cuz Im about to ruin.

The nonsense AD love that youre showin.

[Xiao Yao You]

Stop. Okay? Just stop.

STOP.

Stop what you're doin.

Cuz Im about to ruin.

The nonsense AD love that youre showin.

can't really count him since he doesn't even want to play where he should play

[Kblaze8855]

Stop. Okay? Just stop.

STOP.

Stop what you're doin.

Cuz Im about to ruin.

The nonsense AD love that youre showin.


https://www.hostpic.org/images/2311280139070336.jpeg

[FultzNationRISE]

can't really count him since he doesn't even want to play where he should play

It’s not even that.

He’s a passive, injury prone, empty stats softie standing on the shoulders of LeGiant.

[Axe]

Kind of pointless to even ask tbh. Might as well ask Gobert’s mom where she ranks him.

Even she might give a more impartial take.
Lmao.

[Xiao Yao You]

Lmao.

can you even come up with 8 non cumbersome bigs?

[Axe]

No need. You wouldn't recognize them anyway, troll. :facepalm

[Xiao Yao You]

No need. You wouldn't recognize them anyway, troll. :facepalm

I wouldn't recognize them? Where do they play New Zealand?

[beasted]

best defender in the league on the best defensive team in the league while also being one of the elite rebounders. More than half the game. I realize it's the part of the game that doesn't matter to most

You cited DWS as the benchmark for how good of a defender Gobert is. He's 25th in the league and 5th on his own team. He's one of the best defensive players for sure, but there's no metrics that point to him being the best in the league.

[Xiao Yao You]

You cited DWS as the benchmark for how good of a defender Gobert is. He's 25th in the league and 5th on his own team. He's one of the best defensive players for sure, but there's no metrics that point to him being the best in the league.


Defensive rating NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 103.2 (1st)

Defensive win shares 2023-24 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 1.1 (2nd)

while anchoring the best D in the league

[Axe]

Defensive rating NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 103.2 (1st)

Defensive win shares 2023-24 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 1.1 (2nd)

while anchoring the best D in the league
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQqbeXhTmWOtCAI2qslaw8vEBZnl1Y4T rq06Q&usqp=CAU

[Xiao Yao You]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQqbeXhTmWOtCAI2qslaw8vEBZnl1Y4T rq06Q&usqp=CAU

it's not no metrics

[hold this L]

best defender in the league on the best defensive team in the league while also being one of the elite rebounders. More than half the game. I realize it's the part of the game that doesn't matter to most

Wolves dRTG

with Rudy on the floor: 108.92
with Rudy off the floor: 105.39
https://www.pbpstats.com/wowy-combos/nba?TeamId=1610612750&Season=2023-24&SeasonType=Regular%2BSeason&PlayerIds=203497&OnlyCommonGames=true


Can't really be the best defender when your team plays better defensively without you.

[kawhileonard2]

In order:

1. Jokic
2. Embiid
3. Sengun
4. Porzingis
5. Sabonis
6. Holmgren
7. Adebayo
8. Davis

Jokic and Embiid are 1 and 2.

[Axe]

Stfu, jordansbulls. You total dickwad.

[Manny98]

Wolves dRTG

with Rudy on the floor: 108.92
with Rudy off the floor: 105.39
https://www.pbpstats.com/wowy-combos/nba?TeamId=1610612750&Season=2023-24&SeasonType=Regular%2BSeason&PlayerIds=203497&OnlyCommonGames=true


Can't really be the best defender when your team plays better defensively without you.

:(

[warriorfan]

Wolves dRTG

with Rudy on the floor: 108.92
with Rudy off the floor: 105.39
https://www.pbpstats.com/wowy-combos/nba?TeamId=1610612750&Season=2023-24&SeasonType=Regular%2BSeason&PlayerIds=203497&OnlyCommonGames=true


Can't really be the best defender when your team plays better defensively without you.

:(

[beasted]

Defensive rating NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 103.2 (1st)

Defensive win shares 2023-24 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_leaders.html) 1.1 (2nd)

while anchoring the best D in the league

I recognize you're the Colin Robinson energy vampire of ISH. Not taking the bait anymore.

[RRR3]

Wolves dRTG

with Rudy on the floor: 108.92
with Rudy off the floor: 105.39
https://www.pbpstats.com/wowy-combos/nba?TeamId=1610612750&Season=2023-24&SeasonType=Regular%2BSeason&PlayerIds=203497&OnlyCommonGames=true


Can't really be the best defender when your team plays better defensively without you.
Poor Xiao :lol

[3ba11]

In order:

1. Jokic
2. Embiid
3. Sengun
4. Porzingis
5. Sabonis
6. Holmgren
7. Adebayo
8. Davis


Holy crap that's super-weak - most of those guys would be SF or PF in previous eras.. what a spaced-out, hands-off, beginner format of shrimps..

Jordan would literally average 50... not 40... FIFTY.. He used to dunk on Alonzo but now he gets to dunk on skinny shrimp Holmgren?... wow... no hand-checking and no rim protection?... FIFTY

[RRR3]

Holy crap that's super-weak - most of those guys would be SF or PF in previous eras.. what a spaced-out, hands-off, beginner format of shrimps..

Jordan would literally average 50... not 40... FIFTY.. He used to dunk on Alonzo but now he gets to dunk on skinny shrimp Holmgren?... wow... no hand-checking and no rim protection?... FIFTY
MJ would be Marcus Smart today.

[ShawkFactory]

Poor Xiao :lol

Of course there are extenuating circumstances with the way the lineups are structured. There is no way they’re truly better off defensively without him.

But you do love to see it :lol

[Xiao Yao You]

Of course there are extenuating circumstances with the way the lineups are structured. There is no way they’re truly better off defensively without him.

But you do love to see it :lol

They stagger the lineups so he's with Conley and Ant is with Towns. Also a smaller sample size of minutes he's not on the floor than off but don't try to make sense of it. The trolls have a tough enough time.

[ShawkFactory]

Holy crap that's super-weak - most of those guys would be SF or PF in previous eras.. what a spaced-out, hands-off, beginner format of shrimps..

Jordan would literally average 50... not 40... FIFTY.. He used to dunk on Alonzo but now he gets to dunk on skinny shrimp Holmgren?... wow... no hand-checking and no rim protection?... FIFTY

Which guys would be SF or PF in previous eras? The physicality aspect is valid, but players are not smaller today. They’re actually bigger.

Sabonis is the exact same size as Mourning. Adebayo is an inch shorter but almost 20 pounds heavier.

Jokic and Embiid are considerably heavier than any great big in previous eras outside of Shaq.

Sengun is the same size as Patrick Ewing.

Etc.

[Xiao Yao You]

Which guys would be SF or PF in previous eras? The physicality aspect is valid, but players are not smaller today. They’re actually bigger.

Sabonis is the exact same size as Mourning. Adebayo is an inch shorter but almost 20 pounds heavier.

Jokic and Embiid are considerably heavier than any great big in previous eras outside of Shaq.

Sengun is the same size as Patrick Ewing.

Etc.

Sabonis has dino arms while Mourning had elite length. Sabonis would be a 4 but I could certainly see him as a 3 with his skill. Bam similar.