how’s that beal contract looking right about now?

[warriorfan]

:yaohappy:

[Kblaze8855]

Having just checked I found it matters even less than I thought it did. Theyre only 2 years from being able to decide if they wanna be way(like 40 million) under the cap. They have 75 million coming off the cap in KD and Nurkic and only 3 players under contract. Theyre trying to win one before KD is out and when he is they’ll have less salary than most. At a glance they could actually be under the salary floor. And since they have sent out all their picks to the Nets and Wizards they don’t have any incoming first rounders to pay guaranteed money by then.

Theyre all or nothing then clear immediately when for some reason I thought they were all or nothing then stuck.

They won’t have draft picks to rebuild but they’ll have tremendous cap space if they wanna keep adding big names and playing it that way.

Feels like dude wants to be the splashy signing guy. I bet they add someone else around then or trade Beal when he’s an expiring deal with the picks from 28-on to try to get a star who wants out then.

If they’re dedicated to the big stars plus short term role players model they’re fine. They’re only ****ed if a young role player is too good not to pay. But it seems they’re content to take trash heal help to shoot jumpers around big names.

Thats a surprisingly sustainable plan even before you consider the cap explosion due in 2025. They’re trying to win in May/June then the off season. I don’t think they care as much as some think about November.

They may just be establishing a new “**** them draft picks….” standard approach.

[FultzNationRISE]

Having just checked I found it matters even less than I thought it did. Theyre only 2 years from being able to decide if they wanna be way(like 40 million) under the cap. They have 75 million coming off the cap in KD and Nurkic and only 3 players under contract. Theyre trying to win one before KD is out and when he is they’ll have less salary than most. At a glance they could actually be under the salary floor. And since they have sent out all their picks to the Nets and Wizards they don’t have any incoming first rounders to pay guaranteed money by then.

Theyre all or nothing then clear immediately when for some reason I thought they were all or nothing then stuck.

They won’t have draft picks to rebuild but they’ll have tremendous cap space if they wanna keep adding big names and playing it that way.

Feels like dude wants to be the splashy signing guy. I bet they add someone else around then or trade Beal when he’s an expiring deal with the picks from 28-on to try to get a star who wants out then.

If they’re dedicated to the big stars plus short term role players model they’re fine. They’re only ****ed if a young role player is too good not to pay. But it seems they’re content to take trash heal help to shoot jumpers around big names.

Thats a surprisingly sustainable plan even before you consider the cap explosion due in 2025. They’re trying to win in May/June then the off season. I don’t think they care as much as some think about November.

They may just be establishing a new “**** them draft picks….” standard approach.

We’ll see if that works.

I think to win championships you need an Aaron Gordon. You need a Brook Lopez and a Jrue. You need a Dray.

Youre not really gonna get guys like this as part of some superstar collusion duo/trio and you cant sign em for the vet minimum.

So far collusion hasnt worked out for anyone. Not Kawhi and PG, not Irving and Durant, not Harden and CP3/Westbrook. Not for Kobe/Nash/Howard/Gasol.

Lebron didnt collude but even if he had it would just prove he’s the exception and you cant simply replicate it with stars below his 1-of-1 all time level.

[FultzNationRISE]

Actually the Warriors-KD collusion did work out, which was the only way humanly possible to stop LeGirth, but it was an extraordinary situation where a championship level team had the cap space to add a max guy. It wasnt the standard “gut a team and sign multiple stars” type of thing.

[Kblaze8855]

I’d say how much it works is gonna come down to health as these things often do. That did in several of your examples. It’s certainly the issue so far but nobody ever remembers November so it all remains to be seen. Salary wise in a couple years they’re pretty similar to the Hawks and we know the Hawks won’t be winning anything. They’re in good shape to control the situation after trying to win for a couple years. Would you rather be garbage and trying to rebuild for the next two or three years or be capped out for two or three years with the opportunity to rebuild in free agency again? If you don’t see some franchise changing talent on the horizon in the draft, I guess they figure it’s better to go for it to be mediocre on purpose. Teams like the Hawks and the Knicks will be spending similar money soon to not do anything anyway.

I don’t love the makeup of the suns but I’d rather be them for 125 in a few years than the hawks for 119. They are more likely to lure another star with Booker and an owner who will spend big than a lot of teams I suspect. But obviously you’re right in that we can’t be sure.

They aren’t setup for long term anything though. It’s a month from 2024 and they’re clear by 2027 at latest. For some reason I thought they were capped out longer than that. They’re within 5 million of Minnesota the next 3 years with Minnesota having more salary in the last one.

And that’s with the new rights deal coming year after next. Some Suns accountant ran these numbers before they got into this I’m sure.

Might be why they got rid of Ayton. Laying the ground work to take another stab at it soon if it doesn’t work.

[warriorfan]

Quote from beal


“So, my initial favorite was Miami. And so, we call Miami. Pat (Riley, Heat President) says well I’ll go talk to Micky (Arison, Heat Owner) and figure it out. So he goes, talks to Micky, we go, we hear back (New York) Knicks, Sacramento, Brooklyn a little bit, and then it was Milwaukee and it was one more big team …

And that was kind of one of the most difficult things about every trade and every team. And I respect and love every team, but a lot of them just couldn’t do it because the money was just so high.

I’m like, ‘OK, what’s Miami doing? Dragging feet.’ And eventually it came to a point to where Miami said they just can’t do it. But it was an eye-opener for sure. And that’s why I said I went into everything kind of open-minded and with an open slate. And out of nowhere here comes a dark horse in Phoenix and their aggressiveness pushed me over the top.”

Looks like Pat Riley wanted nothing to do with that.

[warriorfan]

Actually the Warriors-KD collusion did work out, which was the only way humanly possible to stop LeGirth, but it was an extraordinary situation where a championship level team had the cap space to add a max guy. It wasnt the standard “gut a team and sign multiple stars” type of thing.

Curry wasn’t on a max contract because he was still on his cheaper deal he signed when he was having chronic ankle issues and it freed up a lot of flexibility.

[highwhey]

hows the EBT card working OP?

[Jasper]

We’ll see if that works.

I think to win championships you need an Aaron Gordon. You need a Brook Lopez and a Jrue. You need a Dray.

Youre not really gonna get guys like this as part of some superstar collusion duo/trio and you cant sign em for the vet minimum.

So far collusion hasnt worked out for anyone. Not Kawhi and PG, not Irving and Durant, not Harden and CP3/Westbrook. Not for Kobe/Nash/Howard/Gasol.

Lebron didnt collude but even if he had it would just prove he’s the exception and you cant simply replicate it with stars below his 1-of-1 all time level.:oldlol:

saw this an I all most died laughing.
He is the origins of colluding dumpy

[Kblaze8855]

hows the EBT card working OP?


I’ve wondered how it works these days. I don’t technically have a job. Haven’t since covid. I have income but how do they track that? I guess they can access tax records being the government. I used to eat good buying neighbors food stamps half price or less when I first got out on my own. Plus I can cook. They go buy meat and I grill it. Good system.

Ive never had them myself and my mom was too proud when I was a kid but those EBT people kill me with the carts full of shit the kids shouldn’t be eating anyway.

[Kblaze8855]

:oldlol:

saw this an I all most died laughing.
He is the origins of colluding dumpy


If you listen to an interview Wade did over the summer it sounds like he set it up. The Celtics beat him in 2010 with the 4 all star team(Rondo made it that year though Ray didn’t) and they mocked him walking off the floor. KG and Pierce said something like “What you gonna do about it?” knowing he didn’t have the team to compete and he decided to go make calls right then.

Kinda flew under the radar but it was a good story. Wade decided to make a superteam specifically because the Celtics being ***** as he got beat in 2010.

[Kblaze8855]

Quote from beal



Looks like Pat Riley wanted nothing to do with that.


another executive said Riley wanted the deal, but couldn’t sell ownership on paying the tax for a couple years. Who knows with these things. I heard it discussed on a heat show where fans were complaining about the owner never wanting to spend money and it became a whole thing about how owners like to call Operating costs, lost money, despite the increasing value of the team and it pretty much became an anti-billionaire argument.

A former team president argued that when the light bill comes due, you can’t pay it with increased net worth unless you sell part of the team so Arison shouldn’t be expected to lose money yearly when he can’t recoup yearly. Other side was saying owners used the unrealized increase to justify Otherwise unobtainable loans they use to spend money without paying taxes.

The initial “Riley asked for Beal and Mickey wouldn’t pay” argument was lost in the weeds.

[Xiao Yao You]

I’d say how much it works is gonna come down to health as these things often do. That did in several of your examples. It’s certainly the issue so far but nobody ever remembers November so it all remains to be seen. Salary wise in a couple years they’re pretty similar to the Hawks and we know the Hawks won’t be winning anything. They’re in good shape to control the situation after trying to win for a couple years. Would you rather be garbage and trying to rebuild for the next two or three years or be capped out for two or three years with the opportunity to rebuild in free agency again? If you don’t see some franchise changing talent on the horizon in the draft, I guess they figure it’s better to go for it to be mediocre on purpose. Teams like the Hawks and the Knicks will be spending similar money soon to not do anything anyway.

I don’t love the makeup of the suns but I’d rather be them for 125 in a few years than the hawks for 119. They are more likely to lure another star with Booker and an owner who will spend big than a lot of teams I suspect. But obviously you’re right in that we can’t be sure.

They aren’t setup for long term anything though. It’s a month from 2024 and they’re clear by 2027 at latest. For some reason I thought they were capped out longer than that. They’re within 5 million of Minnesota the next 3 years with Minnesota having more salary in the last one.

And that’s with the new rights deal coming year after next. Some Suns accountant ran these numbers before they got into this I’m sure.

Might be why they got rid of Ayton. Laying the ground work to take another stab at it soon if it doesn’t work.

the Hawks supposedly have one of the greatest coaches and players. That doesn't count for anything anymore?

[FultzNationRISE]

another executive said Riley wanted the deal, but couldn’t sell ownership on paying the tax for a couple years. Who knows with these things. I heard it discussed on a heat show where fans were complaining about the owner never wanting to spend money and it became a whole thing about how owners like to call Operating costs, lost money, despite the increasing value of the team and it pretty much became an anti-billionaire argument.

A former team president argued that when the light bill comes due, you can’t pay it with increased net worth unless you sell part of the team so Arison shouldn’t be expected to lose money yearly when he can’t recoup yearly. Other side was saying owners used the unrealized increase to justify Otherwise unobtainable loans they use to spend money without paying taxes.

The initial “Riley asked for Beal and Mickey wouldn’t pay” argument was lost in the weeds.


Guess that may explain why they didnt make a move for Lillard.

Or why they persuaded Haslem with the informal 12 year contract instead of matching the one Dallas offered.

[Xiao Yao You]

Guess that may explain why they didnt make a move for Lillard.

Or why they persuaded Haslem with the informal 12 year contract instead of matching the one Dallas offered.

sounds like with Dame they just didn't want to give up what Portland wanted