Lebron can't win many titles with a team or have perennial favorite with any cast, so

[3ba11]

why would a GM prefer a guy who can't have great teams regardless of cast over guys that are capable of great teams that win many titles and have perennial favorites?

Lebron is simply overrated - his history of losing and needing astronomical help (and still not having great teams) proves that..

[1987_Lakers]

https://i.ibb.co/Rz9g9vM/Screenshot-2022-09-05-13-05-16-16-40deb401b9ffe8e1df2f1cc5ba480b12.jpg

[3ba11]

https://i.ibb.co/Rz9g9vM/Screenshot-2022-09-05-13-05-16-16-40deb401b9ffe8e1df2f1cc5ba480b12.jpg


Fake post obviously and long debunked

Anything else or is that all you have (which means I'm right)

[1987_Lakers]

Fake post obviously and long debunked

Fake post? :lol

[Nb1]

why would a GM prefer a guy who can't have great teams regardless of cast over guys that are capable of great teams that win many titles and have perennial favorites?

Lebron is simply overrated - his history of losing and needing astronomical help (and still not having great teams) proves that..

Yeah, why would a gm pick the greatest player of all time who won a ring in every team he joined :roll:

Went to the worst Lakers team in history and won a chip. Went to a not even playoff team in Cleveland, won a chip. Went to a terrible first round exit Miami team, won a chip. Takes on the worst teams and turn them into champions.

But yeah, why would a gm pick a guy who won a chip in all the teams he played :oldlol:.

Honestly, this is the most stupid thing i've heard in a while. Teams spend decades trying to build something and don''t win anything while others just picked Lebron and easily won a ring lol.

If any team wants an easy ring, just sign Lebron, it's a guaranteed chip.

[3ba11]

Fake post? :lol


Yes mods alter posts and even steal screenames and avy's, as we've seen quite prominently on this site. It's quite standard culture for mods and you shouldn't be so naive or ignorant. Grow up

[StrongLurk]

why would a GM prefer a guy who can't have great teams regardless of cast over guys that are capable of great teams that win many titles and have perennial favorites?

Lebron is simply overrated - his history of losing and needing astronomical help (and still not having great teams) proves that..

Who are the guys capable of great teams/perennial favorites and win many titles?

[1987_Lakers]

Yes mods alter posts and even steal screenames and avy's, as we've seen quite prominently on this site. It's quite standard culture for mods and you shouldn't be so naive or ignorant. Grow up

Stop lying

[3ba11]

Yeah, why would a gm pick the greatest player of all time :roll:

Went to the worst Lakers team in history and won a chip. Went to a not even playoff team in Cleveland, won a chip. Went to a terrible first round exit Miami team, won a chip.

Just why would a gm pick a guy who won a chip in all the teams he played :oldlol:.

Honestly, this is the most stupid thing i've heard in a while. Teams spend decades trying to build something and don''t win anything while others just picked Lebron and easily won a ring lol.

If any team wants an easy ring, just sign Lebron, it's a guaranteed chip.


GM's can expect to go 1/4 with Lebron because that's what he went with AD, Love or Wade (except the Allen miracle).. In addition to going 1/4, GM's can expect to be perennial underdogs and need more help all year regardless of cast or roster improvements - nothing is enough for Bron-ball (worst brand of ball and chemistry ever).

Since he isn't capable of winning many titles with a team or having perennial favorite with any cast, he doesn't compare to guys that can.

Btw, Lebron didn't even lead his team in scoring in 2020 so that title is like Kobe with Shaq and doesn't compare to Jordans.

Rookie MJ gets knocked for losing in the 1st Round, while prime Lebron was lottery in 2019.. AD actually lifted the lottery Lakers to champion by leading the team in scoring and turning the defense from worst to first.

[Hey Yo]

GM's can expect to win ZERO with MJ and no Pip.

ZERO with no Phil.

They didn't expect to win 55gms and get past 1st round without MJ

[sdot_thadon]

https://i.ibb.co/Rz9g9vM/Screenshot-2022-09-05-13-05-16-16-40deb401b9ffe8e1df2f1cc5ba480b12.jpg

Sniped. Lmao

[3ba11]

Who are the guys capable of great teams/perennial favorites and win many titles?


Curry
Jordan
Duncan

These guys can win many titles with a team.... and have perennial favorites in the Finals.. Meanwhile, GM's can expect to go 1 for 4 with Lebron + 2 all-stars and be perennial underdogs in every Finals while having weak regular season records as well..

A GM will need to lift another team's best player to join Lebron or he will need to recruit 2 franchise players from other team yet the GM will still have perennial underdogs and weak 50-something win teams.

Furthermore, remember that a 37-year Duncan had all the same age excuses in 2014 that Lebron had last year against Denver, yet Duncan won by record amount despite his age (and was favored over the 2-time champion Heat), while Lebron was swept against Denver despite having a better cast and most media thinking he would win #5 (lol).. Only 1 person on this site picked denver to sweep and we all know who that is

[StrongLurk]

Curry
Jordan
Duncan

These guys can win many titles with a team.... and have perennial favorites in the Finals.. Meanwhile, GM's can expect to go 1 for 4 with Lebron + 2 all-stars and be perennial underdogs in every Finals while having weak regular season records as well..

A GM will need to lift another team's best player to join Lebron or he will need to recruit 2 franchise players from other team yet the GM will still have perennial underdogs and weak 50-something win teams.

Furthermore, remember that a 37-year Duncan had all the same age excuses in 2014 that Lebron had last year against Denver, yet Duncan won by record amount despite his age (and was favored over the 2-time champion Heat), while Lebron was swept against Denver despite having a better cast and most media thinking he would win #5 (lol).. Only 1 person on this site picked denver to sweep and we all know who that is

So you only came up with three players? MJ is a given. Duncan is a good choice, however, he stopped being the best player on his team long before he won his last finals. Also it's hilarious how you try to paint the 2014 finals as "old duncan" vs "Lebron". If you want to go that route, then Lebron smashed Duncan in the 2014 finals.

Also Curry? Really? The guy who only won in 2015 because Kyrie/Love got hurt? The guy who got completely destroyed/emasculated by Lebron in 2016 and had to go beg Kevin Durant to make the most stacked team of all time? Curry was pushed to second option with Durant around, so who cares about Curry?

I guarantee you that if Lebron was drafted to an elite franchise like the Spurs or Lakers, then he'd easily would've won multiple championships on his original team. I guarantee you that if Lebron had a KD-level talent join him in Cleveland, he would've won multiple titles.

So once again, you end up with Jordan having the best argument over Lebron, while every other player in history has very little or no argument over Lebron.

[8Ball]

Curry
Jordan
Duncan

These guys can win many titles with a team.... and have perennial favorites in the Finals.. Meanwhile, GM's can expect to go 1 for 4 with Lebron + 2 all-stars and be perennial underdogs in every Finals while having weak regular season records as well..

A GM will need to lift another team's best player to join Lebron or he will need to recruit 2 franchise players from other team yet the GM will still have perennial underdogs and weak 50-something win teams.

Furthermore, remember that a 37-year Duncan had all the same age excuses in 2014 that Lebron had last year against Denver, yet Duncan won by record amount despite his age (and was favored over the 2-time champion Heat), while Lebron was swept against Denver despite having a better cast and most media thinking he would win #5 (lol).. Only 1 person on this site picked denver to sweep and we all know who that is

Curry is most overrated player in history according to 3ball:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493318-Curry-is-the-most-overrated-player-in-history

[8Ball]

https://i.ibb.co/Rz9g9vM/Screenshot-2022-09-05-13-05-16-16-40deb401b9ffe8e1df2f1cc5ba480b12.jpg

Length of peak becomes the deciding factor: advantage LBJ

[SouBeachTalents]

Curry is most overrated player in history according to 3ball:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493318-Curry-is-the-most-overrated-player-in-history
Tbf though he made that thread in 2021 after Curry had only been in the league for 12 seasons.

[kawhileonard2]

GM's can expect to win ZERO with MJ and no Pip.

ZERO with no Phil.

They didn't expect to win 55gms and get past 1st round without MJ

GM's can expect to win 0 with Lebron without switching teams and 0 gold medals until Kobe joins despite playing with peak Duncan and Iverson and even having Shaq.

[Full Court]

Tbf though he made that thread in 2021 after Curry had only been in the league for 12 seasons.

TBF, Curry still had something to prove in 2021. He proved it in 2022.

[kawhileonard2]

Need an answer on each thread below.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher

Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED

Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.


Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499786-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Gobert-and-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500431-Lakers-were-1-in-Preseason-Odds-in-2021-and-Suns-were-14
Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html

And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron. :confusedshrug:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500416-Why-did-Pelinka-surround-Lebron-with-a-bullshit-roster
He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer.

Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?459570-How-is-it-even-possible-to-lose-to-Dwight-Howard-in-a-series-with-HCA/page10? Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head

Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron


Devin Booker broke Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500264-Devin-Booker-broke-Lebron&p=14500724


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503966-3ball-why-can-LeBron-win-with-Irving-but-KD-can-t&p=14584482#post14584482

Lebron won bronze medal twice and lost with HCA 3x. Jordan only won gold medal and never lost with HCA. Prove me wrong!

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500440-Russell-Westbrook-leading-the-league-in-Triple-Doubles-Thus-far-in-2022-Season
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/triple-double-leaders-2021-2022-stats

Expected Championships Won and Titles Over Expected
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500379-Expected-Championships-Won-and-Titles-Over-Expected/page3&p=14503600


How did LeBron go 10-16 vs Kawhi? 7-12 vs Shaq? 17-23 vs Curry?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500334-How-did-LeBron-go-10-16-vs-Kawhi-7-12-vs-Shaq-17-23-vs-Curry

Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497028-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-1&p=14426360&viewfull=1#post14426360


Difference between Lebron and Tmac?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494830-Difference-between-Lebron-and-Tmac
Both 0-2 with HCA against 50+ win teams until they joined forces with someone who won as the man. Also won bronze medals.

Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.



LeBron's message that makes the NBA shake: A storm is coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500734-LeBron-s-message-that-makes-the-NBA-shake-A-storm-is-coming

https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports/2021/04/09/6070b833ca47418e588b45e9.html


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?480740-Vasileios-Spanoulis-gt-gt-gt-Lebron-James
Outplayed Lebron in FIBA and caused America to get another bronze medal and then Greece got spanked in Gold medal final.:oldlol:

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/A/grid/75/rid/5152/sid/3507/_/2006_FIBA_World_Championship/statistic.html


First Time Ever a team with 2 guys who won MVP missed the playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503543-First-Time-Ever-a-team-with-2-guys-who-won-MVP-missed-the-playoffs


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503981-Why-does-Lebron-have-2-bronze-medals-while-KD-only-has-gold-medals&p=14584371#post14584371

https://media0.giphy.com/media/l0ErLeqamV3UOARsA/giphy.gif

[3ba11]

GM's can expect to win ZERO with MJ and no Pip.

ZERO with no Phil.

They didn't expect to win 55gms and get past 1st round without MJ


A GM can expect Jordan to win 40 and 50 games with literally nothing like he did in 87' and 88', while Lebron needs an all-star center to win 40 in 2005, and then a HOF coach and 22/5/5 all-defender to win 50 in 2006.

A GM can expect Jordan to go 6/6 with an Iggy-caliber player at sidekick, while Lebron goes 2/4 with a Kobe-like sidekick and Kemp-like 3rd option, so it's night and day.. Lebron needs far more help and wins far less.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

why would a GM prefer a guy who can't have great teams regardless of cast over guys that are capable of great teams that win many titles and have perennial favorites?

Lebron is simply overrated - his history of losing and needing astronomical help (and still not having great teams) proves that..

(Checks notes)

6 finals series' losses = check
2x Bronze medals = check
1x lost in HS with the best team = check
Bailed out by teammates twice else would be 2/8 in the finals = check
Swept in each of the last 3 decades in the playoffs = check.
Checks out.

[SouBeachTalents]

(Checks notes)

6 finals series' losses = check
2x Bronze medals = check
1x lost in HS with the best team = check
Bailed out by teammates twice else would be 2/8 in the finals = check
Swept in each of the last 3 decades in the playoffs = check.
Checks out.
Still only halfway to Shaq.

[3ba11]

Still only halfway to Shaq.


No all-timer lost a bunch with more teams than Lebron..

no one is better at losing, literally (woat brand of ball that destroys chemistry and development)

[StrongLurk]

No all-timer lost a bunch with more teams than Lebron..

no one is better at losing, literally (woat brand of ball that destroys chemistry and development)

Losing in the finals is not worse than...losing any time before the finals.

They are simply second place finishes (although 1st place clearly matters a lot more for a team).

So what is worse hypothetically?

1. 4 1st place finishes (rings), 6 1st round exits.
2. 4 1st place finishes (rings), 5 second place finishes (finals losses), 1 first round exit.

A lot of idiots will pick option number one...

[3ba11]

Losing in the finals is not worse than...losing any time before the finals.

They are simply second place finishes (although 1st place clearly matters a lot more for a team).

So what is worse hypothetically?

1. 4 1st place finishes (rings), 6 1st round exits.
2. 4 1st place finishes (rings), 5 second place finishes (finals losses), 1 first round exit.

A lot of idiots will pick option number one...


Lebron's early playoff exits

Lottery....................... 2004, 2005, 2019, 2022
1st Round losses........ 2021*
2nd Round losses....... 2006, 2008, 2010*
Conf Finals losses....... 2009*, 2023*

* lost as favorite or preseason favorite


So Lebron has just as many losses before the Finals as Jordan and far more if you include his lottery seasons, while also losing a bunch as the favorite or preseason favorite

Rookie Jordan gets knocked for losing in the 1st Round with 8 seeds, while prime Lebron is allowed to be lottery in 2019 or 1st Round in 2021 (as the preseason favorite)

[StrongLurk]

Lebron's early playoff exits

Lottery....................... 2004, 2005, 2019, 2022
1st Round losses........ 2021*
2nd Round losses....... 2006, 2008, 2010*
Conf Finals losses....... 2009*, 2023*

* lost as favorite or preseason favorite


So Lebron has just as many losses before the Finals as Jordan and far more if you include his lottery seasons, while also losing a bunch as the favorite or preseason favorite

Rookie Jordan gets knocked for losing in the 1st Round with 8 seeds, while prime Lebron is allowed to be lottery in 2019 or 1st Round in 2021 (as the preseason favorite)

Half of this is nonsense. Again, Lebron losing in the finals is not worse than....get this.....losing before the finals. So you parading around a 4-6 finals record as if that is the worse thing possible is just more dumb trolling. Four 1st place finishes as the "FMVP" (second most all time), and 6 second place finishes (where Lebron was often the best player in those losses), is incredible success for any player.