"Greatest Act of Brand Suicide" - How Disney Lost $200 Billion

[Patrick Chewing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFYMbxtfhx0

[John8204]

We blame "woke", but in a lot of ways these films budgets ballooned out of control because executives were streaming. They did the same thing the crypo guy did where they took investors money moved it into the films and then paid themselves to put the films on streaming.

[Baller234]

We blame "woke", but in a lot of ways these films budgets ballooned out of control because executives were streaming. They did the same thing the crypo guy did where they took investors money moved it into the films and then paid themselves to put the films on streaming.

Whatever the reason is, the films have huge budgets and they're all bombing. The stock itself is dwindling because they are hemorrhaging money and people have lost faith in the Disney brand.

I don't know if going woke was by accident or by design, but wow what a monumental collapse. A shining example of the woke mind virus destroying everything it touches.

[John8204]

Whatever the reason is, the films have huge budgets and they're all bombing. The stock itself is dwindling because they are hemorrhaging money and people have lost faith in the Disney brand.

I don't know if going woke was by accident or by design, but wow what a monumental collapse. A shining example of the woke mind virus destroying everything it touches.

I think it was carny stuff...milk the investors by doing things that look good during quarterly reports and in press releases. You can't attack these projects...they star women of color what are you racist or something. And then screw over all the people who work on the film, far out the cheapest CGI possible and use your accountants to put the money in the producers pockets.

For example I'm assuming you saw the Movie "Air"...that film cost about 100 million dollars. That film cost maybe 1-5 million to produce. It has the production cost of a TV show pilot.

[Baller234]

I think it was carny stuff...milk the investors by doing things that look good during quarterly reports and in press releases. You can't attack these projects...they star women of color what are you racist or something. And then screw over all the people who work on the film, far out the cheapest CGI possible and use your accountants to put the money in the producers pockets.

For example I'm assuming you saw the Movie "Air"...that film cost about 100 million dollars. That film cost maybe 1-5 million to produce. It has the production cost of a TV show pilot.

How much did it cost to land all those high profile actors though? Matt Damon? Ben Affleck? Viola Davis? Jason Bateman? Chris Tucker? Can you really make this same movie for 5 million? And how much can you spend to promote it?

[FultzNationRISE]

Disney was always going to struggle with the inevitable change in social demographics.

Their bread and butter as a brand was to be an entertainment staple for middle class families. From the 50s to the 90s that was a great strategy.

Today, the middle class is proportionally shrinking, and those who are middle class are having fewer children.

Same reason Toys R Us went out of business, and family restaurants like Applebees and Fridays have struggled. The market has simply evolved away from for what they offer.

Disney going woke isnt really what caused their predicament. They went woke as a way to try to mitigate the effects of demographic change on their business. It just turns out the woke audience is unable or unwilling to support them financially, while their conventional audience is inevitably shrinking.

They just dont have a viable market right now for what Disney traditionally offers.

[Patrick Chewing]

They've also made colossal blunders by purchasing companies like LucasFilms and Marvel. So much money to acquire these companies and then they bring in their own writers to create content who have no idea of the lore and are not loyal to the mythos.

[John8204]

How much did it cost to land all those high profile actors though? Matt Damon? Ben Affleck? Viola Davis? Jason Bateman? Chris Tucker? Can you really make this same movie for 5 million? And how much can you spend to promote it?

That doesn't include the marketing budget..but the movie had 9 producers


David Ellison
Jesse Sisgold
Jon Weinbach
Ben Affleck
Matt Damon
Madison Ainley
Jeff Robinov
Peter Guber
Jason Michael Berman

The term is "above line" and "below line" how much of this money is going to the "above line people" and how much is going to the production of the film. A lot of the actors in that film I can tell you for a fact worked maybe a week.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Woke earned Barbie over a billion dollars in world wide box office alone.

Poopsie never mentions this.

[Baller234]

Disney was always going to struggle with the inevitable change in social demographics.

Their bread and butter as a brand was to be an entertainment staple for middle class families. From the 50s to the 90s that was a great strategy.

Today, the middle class is proportionally shrinking, and those who are middle class are having fewer children.

Same reason Toys R Us went out of business, and family restaurants like Applebees and Fridays have struggled. The market has simply evolved away from for what they offer.

Disney going woke isnt really what caused their predicament. They went woke as a way to try to mitigate the effects of demographic change on their business. It just turns out the woke audience is unable or unwilling to support them financially, while their conventional audience is inevitably shrinking.

They just dont have a viable market right now for what Disney traditionally offers.

Are you sure about that? Just a few short years ago they were an unstoppable juggernaut. Star Wars movies and Marvel movies were making billions on the regular. The audience was there. There was definitely a demand.

If the movies were good they would still be printing money.

[Baller234]

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wrong thread

[tomtucker]

Woke earned Barbie over a billion dollars in world wide box office alone.

Poopsie never mentions this.

It was never advertised as a woke movie..... it was a kids movie that appealed to grown ups who had played with those dolls.

it was a bait and switch tactic.

[Nanners]

It was never advertised as a woke movie..... it was a kids movie that appealed to grown ups who had played with those dolls.

it was a bait and switch tactic.

Even if people are gonna claim wokeness as the reason why Barbie made so much money... between Marvel, Star Wars, and the recent Indiana Jones disaster - disney alone has lost far more than a billion on their recent woke disasters

[Off the Court]

Disney will be just fine, $200Billion company. Meanwhile Twitter is literally going broke. :oldlol:

Greatest act of brand suicide was rebranding to X.

[Patrick Chewing]

Disney will be just fine, $200Billion company. Meanwhile Twitter is literally going broke. :oldlol:

Greatest act of brand suicide was rebranding to X.

https://media.tenor.com/sYcM4oK3ZuwAAAAM/get-a-load-of-this-guy.gif

[bladefd]

Woke earned Barbie over a billion dollars in world wide box office alone.

Poopsie never mentions this.

The ironic part was that Barbie made quite a bit more money in red states than blue states :oldlol:

Republicans from conservative states were crying the most and the loudest, and they spent the most money on it :roll:

[Nanners]

Disney will be just fine, $200Billion company. Meanwhile Twitter is literally going broke. :oldlol:

Greatest act of brand suicide was rebranding to X.

lol the owner of twitter is worth more than disneys entire market cap

musk wants to turn twitter into wechat, he doesnt give a shit about advertisers

[bladefd]

Elon will regret ever buying Twitter. How long before he tries to sell it? Just wait until the losses start piling up. Without advertisers, it's a losing business.

[8Ball]

After Avengers end game that haven't made a good movie.

[Patrick Chewing]

Elon will regret ever buying Twitter. How long before he tries to sell it? Just wait until the losses start piling up. Without advertisers, it's a losing business.

Read the post before yours, dingbat.

[Off the Court]

Rebranding to "X" was literally brand suicide.

The whole "who cares because Elon is Rich!" take doesn't matter, you could say that same thing about every wealthy CEO. If Disney actually did go under Bob and all the other Disney execs would still be wealthy af.

[SATAN]

Elon will regret ever buying Twitter. How long before he tries to sell it? Just wait until the losses start piling up. Without advertisers, it's a losing business.

Maybe he should start charging attention whores $10 rather than $8.

[FultzNationRISE]

Elon will regret ever buying Twitter. How long before he tries to sell it? Just wait until the losses start piling up. Without advertisers, it's a losing business.

Twitter was not a strong business before he bought it, which is why the shareholders took his offer.

Musk ostensibly bought it to enable at least one mainstream social media platform to operate without being censored into oblivion by corporate PR teams.

You cant have a functional country that operates exclusively as left or right wing. It requires a balance. The young masses are very woke which puts huge pressure on publicly held, profit driven social media companies to pander in that direction.

Musk basically made a personal investment to allow the other side of the conversation to exist.

It's a bigger picture thing than his angry NPC detractors understand. It clearly was never a decision motivated by profit, but they insist on framing it as one so they have a "gotcha!"

That's the biggest victory a lot of people might have in... months. A strawman criticism of Elon Musk on a dead OTC forum that he's never gonna see.

That gives some people a temporarily relief from their pain.

So be it.

[bladefd]

Read the post before yours, dingbat.

I did. Musk is a businessman, and no businessman is in it to lose money. If Musk didn't care about money, he could singlehandedly end world hunger and become a saint :oldlol:

Wechat has a maaaaaasive base. Twitter is never reaching those numbers. 1.67 billion active users vs Twitter's 237 million. Wechat revenue is $17 billion vs Twitter's 1.9 billion. Horrendous example.

[bladefd]

Twitter was not a strong business before he bought it, which is why the shareholders took his offer.

Musk ostensibly bought it to enable at least one mainstream social media platform to operate without being censored into oblivion by corporate PR teams.

You cant have a functional country that operates exclusively as left or right wing. It requires a balance. The young masses are very woke which puts huge pressure on publicly held, profit driven social media companies to pander in that direction.

Musk basically made a personal investment to allow the other side of the conversation to exist.

It's a bigger picture thing than his angry NPC detractors understand. It clearly was never a decision motivated by profit, but they insist on framing it as one so they have a "gotcha!"

That's the biggest victory a lot of people might have in... months. A strawman criticism of Elon Musk on a dead OTC forum that he's never gonna see.

That gives some people a temporarily relief from their pain.

So be it.

Twitter has been losing its base since Elon bought it. He didn't buy Twitter to lose money. Nobody buys a business intending to lose money. He could have easily started something like Bluesky which is decentralized and actually the "balance" you talk about. But he didn't do that. He also tried to back out of the Twitter deal if you recall. Sorry but I don't buy your argument.

[SATAN]

Elontards coming out the woodwork...

[FultzNationRISE]

Twitter has been losing its base since Elon bought it. He didn't buy Twitter to lose money. Nobody buys a business intending to lose money. He could have easily started something like Bluesky which is decentralized and actually the "balance" you talk about. But he didn't do that. He also tried to back out of the Twitter deal if you recall. Sorry but I don't buy your argument.


If it was merely a matter of thinking Twitter could be more profitable with a different approach, he could have bought up a huge block of shares and put proxies on the board to wield his influence on the company's direction. This is what Carl Icahn does. Activist investing. It's a purely profit driven investment model. And it doesnt requiring privatizing a company.

Musk is not doing that. His aim, whether you agree with it or not, is to shape society as a whole, which by law cannot be the primary purpose of a public company. Public companies have fiduciary duty to prioritize profits. With a private company you can do as you please.

Anyway, think whatever you want. We're all blessed to have that right.

[Baller234]

Twitter has been losing its base since Elon bought it. He didn't buy Twitter to lose money. Nobody buys a business intending to lose money. He could have easily started something like Bluesky which is decentralized and actually the "balance" you talk about. But he didn't do that. He also tried to back out of the Twitter deal if you recall. Sorry but I don't buy your argument.

Ah I see.

"If you don't like Twitter why not create your own?"

Conservatives tried to leave Twitter and get their own social media platform off the ground in the form of Parler. The powers that be labelled it a right wing hate platform, sabotaged them every step of the way and wouldn't let them get off the ground.

Now that Musk owns Twitter it is the closest thing we have to a true free speech platform. Don't like it? Go post on bluesky with all your other woke weirdo friends. Go create your own Twitter.

[Bill Gates]

Twitter was not a strong business before he bought it, which is why the shareholders took his offer.

Musk ostensibly bought it to enable at least one mainstream social media platform to operate without being censored into oblivion by corporate PR teams.

You cant have a functional country that operates exclusively as left or right wing. It requires a balance. The young masses are very woke which puts huge pressure on publicly held, profit driven social media companies to pander in that direction.

Musk basically made a personal investment to allow the other side of the conversation to exist.

It's a bigger picture thing than his angry NPC detractors understand. It clearly was never a decision motivated by profit, but they insist on framing it as one so they have a "gotcha!"

That's the biggest victory a lot of people might have in... months. A strawman criticism of Elon Musk on a dead OTC forum that he's never gonna see.

That gives some people a temporarily relief from their pain.

So be it.

Can't blame the left for wanting that strawman "gotcha" when they have had the exact same "go woke go broke" gotcha thrown at them repeatedly. That's what this thread is.

If Twitter does go under its not really a strawman either as Musk's efforts will have failed.

Also the idea that we are NOW suddenly having conversations on Twitter that we couldn't have before its a complete fallacy in itself. Every right wing take in existence was readily found on Twitter pre-Musk.

[Baller234]

Can't blame the left for wanting that strawman "gotcha" when they have had the exact same "go woke go broke" gotcha thrown at them repeatedly. That's what this thread is.

If Twitter does go under its not really a strawman either as Musk's efforts will have failed.

Also the idea that we are NOW suddenly having conversations on Twitter that we couldn't have before its a complete fallacy in itself. Every right wing take in existence was readily found on Twitter pre-Musk.

If you don't know what you're talking about, why even bother? Because you're just flat out wrong. You couldn't just say what you wanted on Twitter before Musk.

I experienced it in real time. You couldn't even have a debate with someone on the left because they had the power to report you over any conceived micro aggression, even if you were just making a factual statement. Pretty much any group that wasn't white, straight or male was deemed a protected class that you weren't allowed to mock or question.

Doctors were being suspended from Twitter for "vaccine misinformation". The NY Post was banned for "russian disinformation" and for daring to spread the Hunter Biden laptop story. The president of the United States was banned from Twitter for "trying to overthrow the election".

So yea, you don't know what the f*** you're talking about.

[FultzNationRISE]

Can't blame the left for wanting that strawman "gotcha" when they have had the exact same "go woke go broke" gotcha thrown at them repeatedly. That's what this thread is.

If Twitter does go under its not really a strawman either as Musk's efforts will have failed.

Also the idea that we are NOW suddenly having conversations on Twitter that we couldn't have before its a complete fallacy in itself. Every right wing take in existence was readily found on Twitter pre-Musk.


They banned the President. So I dont think your statement is correct.

Moreover, it was getting progressively worse, so it would be reasonable to assume even more flagrant examples would be happening now than were previously.

[bladefd]

If it was merely a matter of thinking Twitter could be more profitable with a different approach, he could have bought up a huge block of shares and put proxies on the board to wield his influence on the company's direction. This is what Carl Icahn does. Activist investing. It's a purely profit driven investment model. And it doesnt requiring privatizing a company.

Musk is not doing that. His aim, whether you agree with it or not, is to shape society as a whole, which by law cannot be the primary purpose of a public company. Public companies have fiduciary duty to prioritize profits. With a private company you can do as you please.

Anyway, think whatever you want. We're all blessed to have that right.

Twitter is not even decentralized. If his goal was to improve society with freedom of speech, he could have decentralized Twitter. Why did he also implement the change to charge money for people to have verified accounts if it's to not monetize twitter?

[FultzNationRISE]

Twitter is not even decentralized. If his goal was to improve society with freedom of speech, he could have decentralized Twitter. Why did he also implement the change to charge money for people to have verified accounts if it's to not monetize twitter?


I think that’s mainly a way to filter out bots, no? Cant spam a bunch of robo accounts without payin a hefty toll.

And obviously if there are ways to monetize the business which dont negate his primary aim, theres no reason not to do it. Im not saying he’ll ignore chances to generate revenue, I’m saying max revenue is not a mandate, as it would be if the company were owned publicly.

[FultzNationRISE]

As far as decentralizing, I dont think he’s looking to turn twitter into the dark web. I think he just wants a conventional social media platform where people can express social/political ideas that might otherwise be censored at the behest of profit driven sponsors.

If someone wants to say “well its not free speech now either, he banned someone who called for him to be murdered!” or whatever random example… thats fine. Im not saying it is, or purports to be a completely unfiltered space for dubious, borderline speech.

Im saying it’s just his vision of preventing a significant portion of the social/political spectrum from being pushed off mainstream social media. I believe that was the entire crux of his purchase. I dont think he wants the public pendulum to swing too far in one direction.

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa52TWoUFCk

[Bill Gates]

They banned the President. So I dont think your statement is correct.

Moreover, it was getting progressively worse, so it would be reasonable to assume even more flagrant examples would be happening now than were previously.

Under that train of thought Trump was actually very active on Twitter pre-Musk and he is not now. So pre-Musk was even more right wing.

The banning of certain individuals only brought more attention and placed a spotlight on their cause.

The idea that humanity is now enlightened on subjects because of Musk's "free speech" is something many pretend is real but in reality it isn't. In reality the internet is a very huge place where anyone can find anything.

[Baller234]

Under that train of thought Trump was actually very active on Twitter pre-Musk and he is not now. So pre-Musk was even more right wing.

The banning of certain individuals only brought more attention and placed a spotlight on their cause.

The idea that humanity is now enlightened on subjects because of Musk's "free speech" is something many pretend is real but in reality it isn't. In reality the internet is a very huge place where anyone can find anything.

Oh god you're still going?

Trump isn't active on Twitter now because he launched his own (failing) platform in Truth Social and is obligated to post there. It's not like he's staying off Twitter post-Musk because he doesn't feel welcome.

Essentially what you're arguing here is that "censorship is good actually" because it turns people into online martyrs, which of course is something only a big brained genius would say. Evil acts don't stop being evil acts just because they compel good people to rise up.

Your argument is so laughably weak and shallow that I'm certain you don't even believe it. I highly, highly doubt you would be making these same arguments if it were left wing people being silenced and banned for spouting left wing views. Or if left wing media outlets were being suspended simply for reporting factual news about certain politicians.

Musk's takeover of Twitter is clearly and obviously a net benefit for anyone that values a free and fair press. You're just THAT desperate to find any little thing you can to pick apart, no matter how ridiculous or flat out false.

You're upset that Elon is helping Trump, and you hate Donald Trump THAT much.

[Bill Gates]

Oh god you're still going?

Trump isn't active on Twitter now because he launched his own (failing) platform in Truth Social and is obligated to post there. It's not like he's staying off Twitter post-Musk because he doesn't feel welcome.

Essentially what you're arguing here is that "censorship is good actually" because it turns people into online martyrs, which of course is something only a big brained genius would say. Evil acts don't stop being evil acts just because they compel good people to rise up.

Your argument is so laughably weak and shallow that I'm certain you don't even believe it. I highly, highly doubt you would be making these same arguments if it were left wing people being silenced and banned for spouting left wing views. Or if left wing media outlets were being suspended simply for reporting factual news about certain politicians.

Musk's takeover of Twitter is clearly and obviously a net benefit for anyone that values a free and fair press. You're just THAT desperate to find any little thing you can to pick apart, no matter how ridiculous or flat out false.

You're upset that Elon is helping Trump, and you hate Donald Trump THAT much.
No where anywhere did I say "censorship is good". That's a strawman.

I'm saying that the internet is a huge place where anyone can find anything. The fact that Trump created his own Twitter to reach his followers proves my point. Twitter didn't silence Trump, if you want to know Trump's thoughts they are readily available.

[Baller234]

No where anywhere did I say "censorship is good". That's a strawman.

I'm saying that the internet is a huge place where anyone can find anything. The fact that Trump created his own Twitter to reach his followers proves my point. Twitter didn't silence Trump, if you want to know Trump's thoughts they are readily available.

Truth Social doesn't have anywhere near the reach that Twitter has. In fact he relies on his followers and cronies sharing his stuff on Twitter, otherwise he couldn't get the word out.

It's not a good sign for the country when dissenting voices have no choice but to resort to indie and underground platforms with a fraction of the reach because they aren't allowed to speak on mainstream ones. That was the climate on social media pre-Musk. If you were considered right wing or if you had opinions that undermined the government establishment, you were denied reach. Either you were outright banned or you were being shadow banned behind the scenes.

You implied that Musk's purchase of Twitter didn't really have much of an impact on the public discourse. You couldn't be more wrong. It has, and it's why he's made so many enemies.

[Bill Gates]

Truth Social doesn't have anywhere near the reach that Twitter has. In fact he relies on his followers and cronies sharing his stuff on Twitter, otherwise he couldn't get the word out.

It's not a good sign for the country when dissenting voices have no choice but to resort to indie and underground platforms with a fraction of the reach because they aren't allowed to speak on mainstream ones. That was the climate on social media pre-Musk. If you were considered right wing or if you had opinions that undermined the government establishment, you were denied reach. Either you were outright banned or you were being shadow banned behind the scenes.

You implied that Musk's purchase of Twitter didn't really have much of an impact on the public discourse. You couldn't be more wrong. It has, and it's why he's made so many enemies.

Those who honestly and truthfully desire to know Trump's thoughts are on Truth Social reading them.

The pretenders who just want to whine and complain about free speech and "own libs" are on X doing that now. There are more people consumed in the tribalism of it all than those who actually desire Trump's thoughts. I suspect you are just that. You don't care what Trump is typing up right now, you just want to cry and complain because you have nothing better to do today. That's most of society in a nutshell.

[Baller234]

Those who honestly and truthfully desire to know Trump's thoughts are on Truth Social reading them.

The pretenders who just want to whine and complain about free speech and "own libs" are on X doing that now. There are more people consumed in the tribalism of it all than those who actually desire Trump's thoughts. I suspect you are just that. You don't care what Trump is typing up right now, you just want to cry and complain because you have nothing better to do today. That's most of society in a nutshell.

Wow, this is quite the big brained take.

So when conservatives talk about the fact that they are being silenced on mainstream social media platforms, that constitutes as whining? They shouldn't be rightly upset over that fact?

It's a bad thing that Musk took over and gave both sides a voice?

[bladefd]

As far as decentralizing, I dont think he’s looking to turn twitter into the dark web. I think he just wants a conventional social media platform where people can express social/political ideas that might otherwise be censored at the behest of profit driven sponsors.

If someone wants to say “well its not free speech now either, he banned someone who called for him to be murdered!” or whatever random example… thats fine. Im not saying it is, or purports to be a completely unfiltered space for dubious, borderline speech.

Im saying it’s just his vision of preventing a significant portion of the social/political spectrum from being pushed off mainstream social media. I believe that was the entire crux of his purchase. I dont think he wants the public pendulum to swing too far in one direction.

Twitter is not doing all that great anyways. It's slowly falling in active users since elon took over.

[Bill Gates]

Wow, this is quite the big brained take.

So when conservatives talk about the fact that they are being silenced on mainstream social media platforms, that constitutes as whining? They shouldn't be rightly upset over that fact?

It's a bad thing that Musk took over and gave both sides a voice?

I'm saying the right already had a voice pre-Musk. A very loud voice. All the same silly right wing takes that are found on X right now were also readily found on Twitter. Nothing new has been exposed.

[Baller234]

I'm saying the right already had a voice pre-Musk. A very loud voice. All the same silly right wing takes that are found on X right now were also readily found on Twitter. Nothing new has been exposed.

But we established that they were being penalized and suppressed for using that voice.

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[Phoenix]

Disney was always going to struggle with the inevitable change in social demographics.

Their bread and butter as a brand was to be an entertainment staple for middle class families. From the 50s to the 90s that was a great strategy.

Today, the middle class is proportionally shrinking, and those who are middle class are having fewer children.

Same reason Toys R Us went out of business, and family restaurants like Applebees and Fridays have struggled. The market has simply evolved away from for what they offer.

Disney going woke isnt really what caused their predicament. They went woke as a way to try to mitigate the effects of demographic change on their business. It just turns out the woke audience is unable or unwilling to support them financially, while their conventional audience is inevitably shrinking.

They just dont have a viable market right now for what Disney traditionally offers.

What you're saying in the bolded is true but I feel like that's been the case for some time, definitely prior to the box office returns falling off a cliff. Something like Frozen made 1.28 billion globally....that was 2013, really not that long ago. Moana in 2016 made nearly 700 million. The MCU up till Endgame in 2019 was the most financially successful series in film history. It seems like since covid they pivoted to building stories around identity politics, coupled with Disney+ being far less successful than they anticipated...and it's been a death by a thousand cuts scenario. The parks are also struggling as a knock-on effect of being unable to create new compelling characters that draw kids/families, and they've done nothing with their legacy characters going back to their animation heyday. But the name Disney, as recently as 4-5 years, wasn't the trainwreck it is now.

[Street Hunger]

I don't know what woke even means anymore

[Baller234]

I don't know what woke even means anymore

Wokism is the religious belief that all of modern society's ills are a byproduct of being ruled by an evil white patriarchy.

The woke are divided into two groups, victims and allies. Victims are the superior class, allies are the peasant class. Allies are obligated to support and protect victims at all times no matter the circumstances. As a rule of thumb, any victim who ranks higher on the oppression totem pole can revoke another victim's status at any time and demote them to ally.

The only group of allies that are ineligible for victim status are straight white males.

[Street Hunger]

Then it seems like wokeism and the word woke should be used kind of separately. Because woke is him seems to now have a clear meaning as a certain way of thinking, whereas the average person who used to mention that we should all stay awoke was really just trying to raise awareness about racial inequalities or something

Like whatever woke and woke is a means now, I don't think that's how it started. It started is just people just telling other people to stay aware of any qualities or something

I don't know.

You know what I do know is, if there is a specific problem though, it is better to name the specific problem and come up with a practical solution. Then to speak in generalized terms. Maybe

[Street Hunger]

All I know is the phrase "stay woke" somehow got taken and transformed into some other whole huge massive thing that has sort of rendered the original phrase meaningless at this point I guess

[Street Hunger]

For example, if Disney did some bad stuff, it is more useful to just name the very specific things Disney did wrong, and to say what was wrong about those things.

Because then people of all opinions at least know they're talking about the same thing

Keep in mind this isn't me defending disney. I literally don't even know exactly what Disney did. I have to read. I'm just talking about how to even discuss a problem

[SATAN]

You are spot on. Conservatives ruin everything and understand very little...

[Off the Court]

If the lead in a movie or show is anything other than a straight white male it's woke AF.

Unless that straight white dude is married to a sista, then it's super woke.

[Baller234]

For example, if Disney did some bad stuff, it is more useful to just name the very specific things Disney did wrong, and to say what was wrong about those things.

Because then people of all opinions at least know they're talking about the same thing

Keep in mind this isn't me defending disney. I literally don't even know exactly what Disney did. I have to read. I'm just talking about how to even discuss a problem

Disney have declared themselves woke allies and have become outright hostile towards their own history and their own core audience.

The idea of a little girl wanting to be a princess and marry a strong man repulses them. Almost as much as a strong, dominant white male saving the day and getting the girl.

[Baller234]

If the lead in a movie or show is anything other than a straight white male it's woke AF.

Unless that straight white dude is married to a sista, then it's super woke.

No, woke AF is casting Snow White with a brown actress.

[Baller234]

All I know is the phrase "stay woke" somehow got taken and transformed into some other whole huge massive thing that has sort of rendered the original phrase meaningless at this point I guess

It didn't get transformed into anything. Lefties were using the word themselves to describe certain things. You were woke if you believed in reparations for black people. You were woke if you believed in the gender spectrum.

Conservatives haven't changed the definition of anything. What they refer to as woke, conservatives also refer to as woke. The only problem is that now the word is associated with being retarded instead of being a genius. :oldlol:

[Lakers Legend#32]

Remember when DeSantis was gonna ride his way into the White House based on his battle with woke Disney?

BWAWAWAHAHAHAHA!

[Norcaliblunt]

Woke used to be what the “red pill exit the matrix” shit is now.

Woke was new age conspiracy culture. David Icke shit. Waking up out of the matrix.

But like with anything the term is loaded and been co-opted.

[Off the Court]

Disney stock surges today, higher than it's been over a year. Profits and earnings defying what most thought.

Disney announces they bought part of Epic Games and will help them make the next Fortnite game.

:oldlol:

[warriorfan]

Disney stock surges today, higher than it's been over a year. Profits and earnings defying what most thought.

Disney announces they bought part of Epic Games and will help them make the next Fortnite game.

:oldlol:
congrats man i hope disney succeeding makes you less of a pathetic loser

good luck with that

[FultzNationRISE]

Disney stock surges today, higher than it's been over a year. Profits and earnings defying what most thought.

Disney announces they bought part of Epic Games and will help them make the next Fortnite game.

:oldlol:

Disney is actually trading lower now than it was in 2015. When you consider how much inflation has been pumped into the market since that time, that's really bad. By contrast, other blue chips like McDonalds, Microsoft, Amazon are all trading way higher than they were in 2015.

Wokeness is definitely a part of that, there are also other unavoidable market factors involved. But celebrating a recent short term spike in comparison to their stagnant 10 year trend is really just lipstick on a pig. Not that you care about the substance of any of this, I know trying to one-up the anti-woke crowd is kind of how you enjoy yourself. Made easier by the fact you dont seem to realize how often your arguments are simply bad or wrong, nor do you even seem to care as long as you rattled the cages. Which is just weird that youre so invested into specifically antagonizing other ISH posters over issues you really dont even care about. But that's always been the Jizzo M.O. To obsess over the 'social scene' of Insidehoops.com.

I dunno. Bless your heart I guess.

[Off the Court]

nor do you even seem to care as long as you rattled the cages. Which is just weird that youre so invested into specifically antagonizing other ISH posters over issues you really dont even care about..


This entire thread is a jab at the left, posters celebrating the supposed downfall of Disney, but I am the weird one for jabbing back?

I'm not making any threads in here. But half the threads in this forum are the same right wing dolts trying to do what you accuse me of right now.

For Chewing, figuring out which angle he can try and stick it to the left and make a thread about it is his every day life, do you think he is weird also? Or just me?

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e05_KGfEC0

"But, Disney is just fine". :oldlol:

[Off the Court]

"But, Disney is just fine". :oldlol:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/08/disney-pops-6percent-in-premarket-after-epic-games-eras-tour-announcements.html

They are better than fine.

They just bought a stake in the next Fortnite game and not only that, but they teamed up with FOX and Warner to create an all-in-one sports streaming app.

[dazzer87]

Time for Apple to purchase Disney

[Off the Court]

And it gets better. Trump just endorsed Bud Light :roll:

[BurningHammer]

And it gets better. Trump just endorsed Bud Light :roll:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/squashing-the-bud-light-beef-are-boycotters-ready-to-embrace-trump-s-call-to-forgive-the-brand/vi-BB1i2qgr

Some seems to go with Trump and some are sticking to it. Eh. It's a free country. :ohwell:

[Baller234]

This entire thread is a jab at the left, posters celebrating the supposed downfall of Disney, but I am the weird one for jabbing back?

I'm not making any threads in here. But half the threads in this forum are the same right wing dolts trying to do what you accuse me of right now.

For Chewing, figuring out which angle he can try and stick it to the left and make a thread about it is his every day life, do you think he is weird also? Or just me?

We're celebrating the fall of Disney because they're vandalizing and poisoning our culture. We actually care about these things. Yes sometimes that comes with trolling lefties, but that's because you guys are complicit in this.

You're just standing up for Disney because you want to troll right wingers. No greater principle.

[BarberSchool]

DISNEY as a historical American brand, never poisoned western culture until the last decade or two.

Even well after sickos took over, they very slowly waited to show their real hand, and have only recently proceeded with attempts to pollute the minds of children with their sick norms, that other humans almost all find repulsive and disgusting and contrary to all the historical tradition of all but a very small group (who has owned Disney in this aforementioned time period)

So we don’t want Disney to die, we want their pirate ownership to dry up and blow away, or STFU and keep their mental illness out of widely distributed pop culture.

[FultzNationRISE]

This entire thread is a jab at the left, posters celebrating the supposed downfall of Disney, but I am the weird one for jabbing back?

I'm not making any threads in here. But half the threads in this forum are the same right wing dolts trying to do what you accuse me of right now.

For Chewing, figuring out which angle he can try and stick it to the left and make a thread about it is his every day life, do you think he is weird also? Or just me?

Yeah but usually people make these threads, regardless of whether or not their assessment is correct at a given time, out of genuine concern for the social issue the topic represents. I'm not convinced you actually care about or believe many of the defenses you give in these endless back and forths, but rather are purely in it for the sake of leading other ISHers on in arguments because you somehow enjoy it. But youre right, there are times when people on both sides do it more as a sport, or a way to cope with boredom, than as a meaningful attempt to discuss a topic. Tho I do think youre the one who does it most often just out of pure "this will be funny if I keep rebutting him over and over" kind of thing.

Anyway, whatever. I dont care. MY shortcoming is continuously opening these threads out of pure neural habit, and allowing myself to keep giving responses to things I know objectively are a waste of my time. So, we all have our flaws.

[SATAN]

DISNEY as a historical American brand, never poisoned western culture until the last decade or two.



The last decade or two? The company known for publishing political propaganda and racist material since it's inception...Really?

You people are completely lost in this nonsense. It's embarrassing.

[bladefd]

Had 10 shares of Disney at $85. Sold at $108. Profit. Second time I did that in a year.

Next time it dips under $90, buying again.